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You had see 20 HR roles before you see one Microbiology opening.

JSYK, HR is broken into other cores.

So you might see headings like " Learning & Development Admin, Performance Manager, Benefits Specialist, Employee Relations".

They are all HR roles.

Ballzproblem2:
Bye bye, hostages are reason Hamas is is still a thing,the strike was biblical, can't post much ,I dey avoid spam bot wahala.

STEM vs Non STEM. We wan hear your opinion there

AbokiWam:
Even labs and government hospitals now reject microbiologists.

Association of Med lab fools dragged government to court..

Out of 140 of us that read microbiology, less than 10 of us de make us of the cert self

I dont know the origin of the arguement sha
Science courses are flexible
But Microbiology is useless

You use Microbiology degree collect HR jobs
Can someone use HR degree to get Microbiology jobs?

raumdeuter:
There are specfic STEM jobs which most non STEM are automatically disqualified for

Theyre are Specific Non STEM jobs which even STEM guys are qualified for. Data shows that STEM guys even get these jobs more than non STEM guys due to rigors of aptitude tests

STEM grad access to 90% of jobs including STEM and non STEM
Non STEM grad access to 60% of jobs which are just non STEM

The Maths favor the STEM guys here

See as u dey share percentage of who gets what job without data.

Weldone sire! 🫡

raumdeuter:
You use Microbiology degree collect HR jobs
Can someone use HR degree to get Microbiology jobs?

Na the koko be this.

raumdeuter:
You use Microbiology degree collect HR jobs
Can someone use HR degree to get Microbiology jobs?

Nope

To dive into HR all I did was do the CIPM certification.
Cost about 300k totally.
Broken into 6 stages

Once you have a first degree, you are automatically cleared of the first two stages Professional 1 & 2.

The only perk is, If you have a social Science or arts?? you go straight into Advanced 1 & 2, while other disciplines have to do Intermediate 1 & 2 before meeting you at advanced.

[color=royalblue]Una wake up, say na STEM matter una wan force inside Blueraydick mouth


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izzou:
[color=royalblue]Una wake up, say na STEM matter una wan force inside Blueraydick mouth


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Me keh, I kuku spit am out!

AbokiWam:
Nope

To dive into HR all I did was do the CIPM certification.
Cost about 300k totally.
Broken into 6 stages

Once you have a first degree, you are automatically cleared of the first two stages Professional 1 & 2.

The only perk is, If you have a social Science or arts?? you go straight into Advanced 1 & 2, while other disciplines have to do Intermediate 1 & 2 before meeting you at advanced.

Assuming I was a HR graduate, is there a 300K certitifcation available for me to work as a microbiologist, or as an Engineer or Doctor?

Theflint1:
Assuming I was a HR graduate, is there a 300K certitifcation available for me to work as a microbiologist, or as an Engineer or Doctor?

[color=royalblue]This is you assuming that there are no HR jobs, which isn't true.

All organizations make provisions for a Human resource department

Not All make provisions for engineers or microbiologists[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]This is you assuming that there are no HR jobs, which isn't true.

All organizations make provisions for a Human resource department

Not All make provisions for engineers or microbiologists[/color]

Not my point, I'm saying the way it was relatively easy for him to make that sort of career transition, can a HR professional make similar transition into STEM?

Theflint1:
Not my point, I'm saying the way it was relatively easy for him to make that sort of career transition, can a HR professional make similar transition into STEM?

[color=royalblue]You are making a career transition because you did not see a job. An engineering graduate in HR is because condition make crayfish bend

Why should an HR person transition, when the job is readily available?[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are making a career transition because you did not see a job. An engineering graduate in HR is because condition make crayfish bend

Why should an HR person transition, when the job is readily available?[/color]

This is a very simple point almost everyone understands except Theflint1.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are making a career transition because you did not see a job. An engineering graduate in HR is because condition make crayfish bend

Why should an HR person transition, when the job is readily available?[/color]

Where did you get the impression that HR jobs are readily available?

Are there graduates of HR who have been seeking HR jobs but not able to find?

Almost every job requires competition, Now competing with people who studied your course is one thing, but competing against every graduate is another thing

So wat advantage do you get by studying HR when everyone can just put head

BlueRayDick:
This is a very simple point almost everyone understands except Theflint1.

[color=royalblue]The issue of STEM graduates transitioning is not a thing of pride. It shows that Nigeria has a problem of providing jobs for the STEM INCLINED

Yes, STEM candidates can easily switch, and that is because there are no jobs for them, not because they want to.

Nigeria is not a producing nation, and that is a big hindrance for the STEMs.

Most pharmaceutical companies import their drugs. They would have a robust Account, HR, Sales and Marketing dept. But maybe na 10 pharmacologists fit they there

Elizade that sells Toyota; How many automobile engineers dey there? But Account department fit reach 200 staff.

The argument shows the shortcomings of STEM in Nigeria, rather than how versatile the field is.[/color]

raumdeuter:
Where did you get the impression that HR jobs are readily available?

Are there graduates of HR who have been seeking HR jobs but not able to find?

Almost every job requires competition, Now competing with people who studied your course is one thing, but competing against every graduate is another thing

So wat advantage do you get by studying HR when everyone can just put head

Anyone who can pass gre will kill gmat

The first point of culling is the aptitude test.

Unfortunately stem grads or students are much more likey to kill the test. It's basic competition. Unless there is a strict no stem barrier, your non stem grads will miss out.

raumdeuter:
Where did you get the impression that HR jobs are readily available?

Are there graduates of HR who have been seeking HR jobs but not able to find?

Almost every job requires competition, Now competing with people who studied your course is one thing, but competing against every graduate is another thing

So wat advantage do you get by studying HR when everyone can just put head

[color=royalblue]Maybe I exaggerated, but HR jobs are more readily available than engineering jobs.

The ratio fit be 15 to 1 sef[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The issue of STEM graduates transitioning is not a thing of pride. It shows that Nigeria has a problem of providing jobs for the STEM INCLINED

Yes, STEM candidates can easily switch, and that is because there are no jobs for them, not because they want to.

Nigeria is not a producing nation, and that is a big hindrance for the STEMs.

Most pharmaceutical companies import their drugs. They would have a robust Account, HR, Sales and Marketing dept. But maybe na 10 pharmacologists fit they there

Elizade that sells Toyota; How many automobile engineers dey there? But Account department got reach 200 staff.

The argument shows the shortcomings of STEM in Nigeria, rather than how versatile the field is.[/color]

It is what it is.

Same applies to engineering.

Outside of energy and construction and for a while telcos there was not much for engineers

Physics is a celebrated course abroad but in naija it is for those who could not make it into engineering. Ironic as physics is likely more difficult

GloriousGbola:
It is what it is.

Same applies to engineering.

Outside of energy and construction and for a while telcos there was not much for engineers

Physics is a celebrated course abroad but in naija it is for those who could not make it into engineering. Ironic as physics is likely more difficult

[color=royalblue] Exactly how I see it.

Rather than celebrating STEMs for transitioning easily into philosophy, we should be afraid of how the lack of jobs are killing that sector.

Engineering is almost becoming like History; No jobs[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are making a career transition because you did not see a job. An engineering graduate in HR is because condition make crayfish bend

Why should an HR person transition, when the job is readily available?[/color]

Let's assume you're not suggesting that all HR grads automatically have jobs waiting for them, and don't have to hunt for jobs outside of their fields of study.

My point is, if my turf (however small you suggest it might be) you can't enter, but I can with little stress enter your own turf and compete with you, who's at an advantage, me, or you?

raumdeuter:
Between Philosophy and Microbiology which one do you think elevate you in the long run. A microbiology working in his field can work in a hospital medical lab

Where does Sociology, Philosophy in their field work in Nigeria

How many microbiologist are working in their respective field in Nigeria?

You’re missing My own point of Nigeria being the primary factor of choice; there are jobs available to non STEM graduates than STEM

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Maybe I exaggerated, but HR jobs are more readily available than engineering jobs.

The ratio fit be 15 to 1 sef[/color]

U did not exaggerate anything.

Attached are screenshot of HR job openings in Ardova Petroleum, Nestoil and UBA. If u just go through search on LinkedIn there are tons of these job openings in different top tier companies across different industries from Oil and gas to banking, to fintech, tech companies like LG electronics in Nigeria, etc.

He knows u are saying the truth but he won't agree.

Theflint1:
Let's assume you're not suggesting that all HR grads automatically have jobs waiting for them, and don't have to hunt for jobs outside of their fields of study.

My point is, if my turf (however small you suggest it might be) you can't enter, but I can with little stress enter your own turf and compete with you, who's at an advantage, me, or you?

[color=royalblue]You are entering his turf because

1) Your turf has no offer for you
2) His turf has a space for you

You are seeing it as an advantage, but I am seeing a big problem.

Most of our Engineering graduates end up with non STEM jobs. Is this truly an advantage?[/color]

BlueRayDick:
U did not exaggerate anything.

Attached are screenshot of HR job openings in Ardova Petroleum, Nestoil and UBA. If u just go through search on LinkedIn there are tons of these job openings in different top tier companies across different industries from Oil and gas to banking, to fintech, tech companies like LG electronics in Nigeria, etc.

He knows u are saying the truth but he won't agree.

[color=royalblue]Toor

You know say I no dey Corporate world. So I no wan argue

I know I see more non STEM jobs everyday than I see a STEM job.[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The issue of STEM graduates transitioning is not a thing of pride. It shows that Nigeria has a problem of providing jobs for the STEM INCLINED

Yes, STEM candidates can easily switch, and that is because there are no jobs for them, not because they want to.

Nigeria is not a producing nation, and that is a big hindrance for the STEMs.

Most pharmaceutical companies import their drugs. They would have a robust Account, HR, Sales and Marketing dept. But maybe na 10 pharmacologists fit they there

Elizade that sells Toyota; How many automobile engineers dey there? But Account department fit reach 200 staff.

The argument shows the shortcomings of STEM in Nigeria, rather than how versatile the field is.[/color]

This is the point I've been struggling to make them see. Nigeria is not a country driven by STEM at all ; our manufacturing industry is almost dead. We are import dependent country where most of the STEM graduates need to either travel abroad or go back to the social sciences they've been badmouthing for the past few days for them to see good job.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are entering his turf because

1) Your turf has no offer for you
2) His turf has a space for you

You are seeing it as an advantage, but I am seeing a big problem.

Most of our Engineering graduates end up with non STEM jobs. Is this truly an advantage?[/color]

Insufficient STEM jobs and ease of STEM grads transitioning to non-STEM are two different discourses.

Even if there were enough STEM jobs, it would still be easy for STEM grads to transition into non-STEM and that's the point we've been making.

BlueRayDick:
This is the point I've been struggling to make them see. Nigeria is not a country driven by STEM at all ; our manufacturing industry is almost dead. We are import dependent country where most of the STEM graduates need to either travel abroad or go back to the social sciences they've been badmouthing for the past few days for them to see good job.

[color=royalblue]I don't see the transitioning as any advantage.

You did not study Engineering to end up in Retail banking. You ended up there because you didn't see a job after 5 years. That's a problem, if you ask me.[/color]

Theflint1:
Insufficient STEM jobs and ease of STEM grads transitioning to non-STEM are two different discourses.

Even if there were enough STEM jobs, it would still be easy for STEM grads to transition into non-STEM and that's the point we've been making.

[color=royalblue]If there were enough STEM jobs, this argument wouldn't even exist.

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Ballzproblem2:
Bye bye, hostages are reason Hamas is is still a thing,the strike was biblical, can't post much ,I dey avoid spam bot wahala.

Sinwar? I thought the dude don die since last year?

Who's the Hamas guy way terrorist were saying died like a hero last year

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If there were enough STEM jobs, this argument wouldn't even exist.

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People go to school to give themselves options, and this is why they go for certain courses and fields when deciding on what to study.

I can study Engineering, and get a job after graduation as an Engineer, then midway decide I want to become a HR professional, and with 300K I'd become one. That I have that option, I'm in a more advantageous position over someone that doesn't have such flexibility available.

Shegzdave:
How many microbiologist are working in their respective field in Nigeria?

You’re missing My own point of Nigeria being the primary factor of choice; there are jobs available to non STEM graduates than STEM

Microbiologists are not working anywhere. I know of a few in UK that never landed a job in the field. One had to do another X amount of years to convert to Medicine