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MaxInDHouse:
Understanding of scriptures isn't easy for imperfect humans that's why Jesus instructed his apostles that he chose to take the lead never to establish any form of teaching singlehandedly they must be at least two in number so that by the time they pray for Jesus to come and chairman the meeting he will guide them by means of God's Holy Spirit! Matthew 18:20; John 14:26-27
So a man can't form a teaching because based on his own understanding alone it will backfire.

You sound different here. Something is changing in you.

Ruke1991:
Those deeper life leaders problem cannot be solved by this teaching. It's somehow a mixture of hatred, unforgiveness, jealously and protectionism that makes them discipline, frustrate, blackmail and chase away their young ones who practice speaking in tongues, who are gifted in the prophetic or are are aggressively involved in leading others to engage in prayer. Those deeper life pastors have what bible calls cloak of maliciousness. What does it mean?

They envy you but will not acknowledge it is envy. They are secretly afraid that if you set up a church, they could lose followers. But they never try to understand your mission first.

Rather they look at legalistic rules within the church. They look at the church traditions to find what they can use to punish you and kill you. The best weapon is so called disciplinary actions. You could be suspended for up to one or two years in a row and while you are under suspension rumours about you being occultic, rebellious will be going round. The members in their simplistic and sanctimonious ways will start avoiding you for fear of the high handedness of their pastor not descending on them.

Deeperlife today is almost like a cult with fearful followers of high handed pastors who are not obedient to scriptures despite that they preach it. Those pastors are more about maintaining their control over the people than anything else. Or else, how do you explain their actions? Where in every location of deeper life, those who speak in tongues while leading prayer during holy ghost impartation services are considered occultic or rebels and have to serve disciplinary actions. Deeperlife is like that everywhere but the more religious members try to deny the coercion and erroneous application of disciplinary action in settling personal scores by deeper life leaders. Pastor Kumuyi, you have tried. But at this stage nothing you can do to change those pastors, not even your teachings except you discipline them anyhow the way they discipline people. That's the language they understand

My brother, just attend church, worship God and go home. Don't pin yourselves to any particular church or leader. You belong to Christ not GO or anything pastor. It is when you pin yourselves to a particular church, want to occupy a position there that you end up being frustrated. If you feel the need to preach, open a TikTok account and preach there.

You don't belong to Kumuyi, Pastor A or B, Adeboye etc, you belong to Christ. All they are, are stewards. They too belong to Christ.

Sand2022:
You sound different here. Something is changing in you.

I'm a changed person from the day i got a visit from Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only true Christian organization.

What you read is telling you that only the JWs are practicing what Jesus taught as a group the Governing Body pray and search the scriptures to know what they supposed to do just as the first century disciples of Christ! Act 15:28

Apart from this group all others are led by a single person who determines what their church will do that's what happened to Kumuyi now!

Maximus692:
If you don't agree with what is happening in a church nobody forced you to stay, take your leave!

I remember you were the one pushing the blame of being dogmatic over the beard and pants saga on an elder who wants to leave. Only to held him down based on being guilty over the matter.

achorladey:
I remember you were the one pushing the blame of being dogmatic over the beard and pants saga on an elder who wants to leave. Only to held him down based on being guilty over the matter.

No you don't get it, he wasn't complaining rather he said he wants to leave for that and after reasoning with him he changed but imagine if the GB reasoned with him just as Kumuyi is doing yet he doesn't want to listen is there any reason for him to continue with the organization?

MaxInDHouse:
Understanding of scriptures isn't easy for imperfect humans that's why Jesus instructed his apostles that he chose to take the lead never to establish any form of teaching singlehandedly they must be at least two in number so that by the time they pray for Jesus to come and chairman the meeting he will guide them by means of God's Holy Spirit! Matthew 18:20; John 14:26-27
So a man can't form a teaching because based on his own understanding alone it will backfire.

Revisited

Understanding of scriptures isn't easy for imperfect humans

Alright

that's why Jesus instructed his apostles that he chose to take the lead never to establish any form of teaching singlehandedly they must be at least two in number

It is not an instruction, he was expressing reality of what is expected of his followers and what will happen when they meet. Stop reading more into the context and content of the Bible.

so that by the time they pray for Jesus to come and chairman the meeting he will guide them by means of God's Holy Spirit!

They don't need to call Jesus to chairman it.

So a man can't form a teaching because based on his own understanding alone it will backfire

The teachings of Paul for example, how many backfired. Paul didn't consult Peter before writing letters

MaxInDHouse:
No you don't get it, he wasn't complaining rather he said he wants to leave for that and after reasoning with him he changed but imagine if the GB reasoned with him just as Kumuyi is doing yet he doesn't want to listen is there any reason for him to continue with the organization?

Shifting goalposts don start. You projected being dogmatic on him and made him feel guilty for a doctrine that he was never present when legislated.

he wasn't complaining rather he said he wants to leave for that

against....

If you don't agree with what is happening in a church nobody forced you to stay, take your leave!

You concluding question becomes relevant.

achorladey:
The teachings of Paul for example, how many backfired. Paul didn't consult Peter before writing letters

Jesus singlehandedly chose Paul as Apostle for all the other nations {Act 9:15; Romans 1:5} Peter is the one who leads the group the Apostles as Jesus chose him! Galatians 2:7 compare to Matthew 16:18

But after the Bible has been completed Christian elders must come together at least two or three before Jesus can join them to show them the light! Matthew 18:20

achorladey:
Shifting goalposts don start. You projected being dogmatic on him and made him feel guilty for a doctrine that he was never present when legislated.

I wasn't there when the Bible was written either so it's the fruit of God's Holy Spirit that keeps me standing not because i was with the inspired writers.

achorladey:
against....
You concluding question becomes relevant.

If he doesn't agree instead of complaining it's best to leave for another church!

MaxInDHouse:
I wasn't there when the Bible was written either so it's the fruit of God's Holy Spirit that keeps me standing not because i was with the inspired writers.

If he doesn't agree instead of complaining it's best to leave for another church!

He has right to complain and has right to leave. Telling us he is dogmatic and making him feel guilty over a matter that he knows nothing about is a trap, trick to make him stay.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus singlehandedly chose Paul as Apostle for all the other nations {Act 9:15; Romans 1:5} Peter is the one who leads the group the Apostles as Jesus chose him! Galatians 2:7 compare to Matthew 16:18

But after the Bible has been completed Christian elders must come together at least two or three before Jesus can join them to show them the light! Matthew 18:20

See this below....

But after the Bible has been completed Christian elders must come together at least two or three before Jesus can join them to show them the light! Matthew 18:20

That's what abuse of the scripture means. Content and context has nothing to do with any elder.

Jesus singlehandedly chose Paul as Apostle for all the other nations {Act 9:15; Romans 1:5}

Does not change the fact that Paul single-handedly wrote many letters and teaching.

Peter is the one who leads the group the Apostles as Jesus chose him! Galatians 2:7 compare to Matthew 16:18

Only one is your leader. Peter was only told to feed. Not even cook the food. Feed his(Jesus) sheep.

achorladey:
He has right to complain and has right to leave. Telling us he is dogmatic and making him feel guilty over a matter that he knows nothing about is a trap, trick to make him stay.

You are saying this because you don't believe in the Bible see what God's word said:

On the other hand, we urge you, brothers, to warn the disorderly, speak consolingly to those who are depressed, support the weak, be patient toward all. 1Thessalonians 5:14

Note the highlighted in blue:

*Warn the disorderly.
*Speak consolingly to the depressed.
*Support the weak.
*Be patient towards all.

So as my beloved brother this is what i'm doing but if he had made up his mind there's no need wasting his time it's best for him to take his leave in fact he may be of assistance to me too because i will also leave for a better performing group that is if he finds such.

achorladey:
See this below....
That's what abuse of the scripture means. Content and context has nothing to do with any elder.

Application of scriptures is what we remind one another of. Remember Paul once reproved Peter for walking disorderly {Galatians 2:11-14} so if Paul could reprove Peter surely elders can do likewise to readjust our thinking on what the scriptures teaches to maintain orderliness in body of Christ.

achorladey:
Does not change the fact that Paul single-handedly wrote many letters and teaching. Only one is your leader. Peter was only told to feed. Not even cook the food. Feed his(Jesus) sheep.

Naaaaaaaaah you still don't get it.
Paul was only teaching those who never knew anything about mosaic law how to apply the law of Christ that's why when the case having to do with circumcision arises Paul and Barnabas were sent by the elders in all the congregations to know what the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem will conclude! Act 15:1-2

So Paul can only show gentiles how to apply the law of Christ not teach what is contrary to the decision of the Governing Body in Jerusalem!

MaxInDHouse:
Application of scriptures is what we remind one another of. Remember Paul once reproved Peter for walking disorderly {Galatians 2:11-14} so if Paul could reprove Peter surely elders can do likewise to readjust our thinking on what the scriptures teaches to maintain orderliness in body of Christ.

Naaaaaaaaah you still don't get it.
Paul was only teaching those who never knew anything about mosaic law how to apply the law of Christ that's why when the case having to do with circumcision arises Paul and Barnabas were sent by the elders in all the congregations to know what the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem will conclude! Act 15:1-2

So Paul can only show gentiles how to apply the law of Christ not teach what is contrary to the decision of the Governing Body in Jerusalem!

Daru dapo

Application of scriptures is what we remind one another of. Remember Paul once reproved Peter for walking disorderly {Galatians 2:11-14} so if Paul could reprove Peter surely elders can do likewise to readjust our thinking on what the scriptures teaches to maintain orderliness in body of Christ.

Readjustment and reproving in decision to create new doctrines. No correlation. Lost in the discussion.

Naaaaaaaaah you still don't get it.

I am looking for you already since you are lost.

Paul was only teaching those who never knew anything about mosaic law how to apply the law of Christ that's why when the case having to do with circumcision arises Paul and Barnabas were sent by the elders in all the congregations to know what the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem will conclude! Act 15:1-2

Paul's teaching is not only about those who never knew anything about mosaic. That's another lie and a manipulation of the scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
You are saying this because you don't believe in the Bible see what God's word said:

On the other hand, we urge you, brothers, to warn the disorderly, speak consolingly to those who are depressed, support the weak, be patient toward all. 1Thessalonians 5:14

Note the highlighted in blue:

*Warn the disorderly.
*Speak consolingly to the depressed.
*Support the weak.
*Be patient towards all.

So as my beloved brother this is what i'm doing but if he had made up his mind there's no need wasting his time it's best for him to take his leave in fact he may be of assistance to me too because i will also leave for a better performing group that is if he finds such.

I am exposing your hypocrisy as it applies using double standards. The person under consideration is not walking disorderly. He does not need to be consolation. He is not weak. He has been patient enough to see that those your religious leaders are not even sure of what they are doing and he sees deceit of which you accuse him of being dogmatic and made him guilty over an issue that those not originate from him.

You will not readily do say so to the member of another religious organization. Your agenda will be he should leave false religion and religious beliefs.

You are saying this because you don't believe in the Bible see what God's word said:

Deflectors items. I don't need to belief the Bible to be knowledgeable about it. Faith goes with reason. Na your Bible talk am.

So as my beloved brother this is what i'm doing but if he had made up his mind there's no need wasting his time it's best for him to take his leave in fact he may be of assistance to me too because i will also leave for a better performing group that is if he finds such.

He made it up you guilt trip him into dogmatic and made him the cause of the problem he is a victim thereby manipulating him to stay instead of telling him you are free to leave if you want to

achorladey:
Daru dapo
Readjustment and reproving in decision to create new doctrines. No correlation. Lost in the discussion. I am looking for you already since you are lost.
Paul's teaching is not only about those who never knew anything about mosaic. That's another lie and a manipulation of the scripture.

Whichever way you think one thing is sure: all Christians in the first century had one line of thought regarding what is right and wrong as far as holiness is concerned and that's the work of the Governing Body (a small group) in Jerusalem!

achorladey:
I am exposing your hypocrisy as it applies using double standards. The person under consideration is not walking disorderly. He does not need to be consolation. He is not weak. He has been patient enough to see that those your religious leaders are not even sure of what they are doing and he sees deceit of which you accuse him of being dogmatic and made him guilty over an issue that those not originate from him.

This is what i wanted to be sure of since i've known him for years as an elder even before my baptism and he is also one those who convinced me to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses so if he's no longer feels the organization is the truth all i need from him now is a better performing group because that's exactly what he taught me about JW organization.

achorladey:
You will not readily do say so to the member of another religious organization. Your agenda will be he should leave false religion and religious beliefs.

The same thing i tell everyone!
If you're sure the religion you associate with is false and you can see a better one elsewhere what stops you from leaving falsehood for the truth?
Why worship with complaint?

achorladey:
Deflectors items. I don't need to belief the Bible to be knowledgeable about it. Faith goes with reason. Na your Bible talk am.

Well the Bible is God's word so if you're not sure of that then you need to work on yourself because mankind needs a source of divine guidance that's accurate.

achorladey:
He made it up you guilt trip him into dogmatic and made him the cause of the problem he is a victim thereby manipulating him to stay instead of telling him you are free to leave if you want to

He was one of my teachers so i'm only reminding him of what he taught me perhaps he's gotten something better!

All these is just to maintain the oneness in faith so we can be sure that we're in the truth, there is no sense in arguing and contradicting ourselves if we are all worshiping the same God!

MaxInDHouse:
Whichever way you think one thing is sure: all Christians in the first century had one line of thought regarding what is right and wrong as far as holiness is concerned and that's the work of the Governing Body (a small group) in Jerusalem!

Stop manipulating and abusing the scriptures

Whichever way you think one thing is sure

Very wrong, massively wrong

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Did you see how Paul clearly show Christians can have individual differences regarding sacred things?

Christians in the first century had one line of thought regarding what is right and wrong as far as holiness is concerned and that's the work of the Governing Body (a small group) in Jerusalem! :

After reading what Paul one of your so called Governing Body said, you will know that one line of thought is a lie and manipulations of the scriptures.

In their own mind is not having one line of thought.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what i wanted to be sure of since i've known him for years as an elder even before my baptism and he is also one those who convinced me to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses so if he's no longer feels the organization is the truth all i need from him now is a better performing group because that's exactly what he taught me about JW organization.


The same thing i tell everyone!
If you're sure the religion you associate with is false and you can see a better one elsewhere what stops you from leaving falsehood for the truth?
Why worship with complaint?

Well the Bible is God's word so if you're not sure of that then you need to work on yourself because mankind needs a source of divine guidance that's accurate.

He was one of my teachers so i'm only reminding him of what he taught me perhaps he's gotten something better!

All of the above you will not apply to Deeperlife or Catholic members.

You don't need him to start telling you which better performing performance group is out there. Jesus never said should be associated with a better performing performance group to be known as Christians.

He was one of my teachers so i'm only reminding him of what he taught me perhaps he's gotten something better!

I bet he taught you how to guilt trip and take blame on behalf of your religious leaders when they teach lies.

achorladey:
Stop manipulating and abusing the scriptures. Very wrong, massively wrong
Did you see how Paul clearly show Christians can have individual differences regarding sacred things?
After reading what Paul one of your so called Governing Body said, you will know that one line of thought is a lie and manipulations of the scriptures.
In their own mind is not having one line of thought.

One person is not the body so such one is WRONG unless he is able to gather preachers and teachers globally doing the kingdom work in the absence of that such a person is wrong!

achorladey:
All of the above you will not apply to Deeperlife or Catholic members.
You don't need him to start telling you which better performing performance group is out there. Jesus never said should be associated with a better performing performance group to be known as Christians.

By their fruits you will recognize them. Matthew 7:16

Surely PERFORMANCE matters to Jesus :

achorladey:
I bet he taught you how to guilt trip and take blame on behalf of your religious leaders when they teach lies.

If you don't have any faith it's OK know that many Jews blame Christians for defending their faith in Jesus in the first century!

Maximus692:
One person is not the body so such one is WRONG unless he is able to gather preachers and teachers globally doing the kingdom work in the absence of that such a person is wrong!

The result of not being able to comprehend how the holy spirit works. The doctrines of your religious organization that they were gathering sheep and separating goat na im cause am

Maximus692:
By their fruits you will recognize them. Matthew 7:16

Surely PERFORMANCE matters to Jesus :


If you don't have any faith it's OK know that many Jews blame Christians for defending their faith in Jesus in the first century!

That's why it is good to read the Bible without cooked lies and manipulations.

By their fruits you will recognize them. Matthew 7:16

Read what the full details.....

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

It did not say Christians and definitely not my followers. Follow the content and context of the Bible cited.

Surely PERFORMANCE matters to Jesus

Jesus never stated you should associate with a better performing performance group. Come be my follower. My is not a group. The fruitage of the spirit is there to see far above legislated and regimented performance based on works dictated by religious leaders and men to serve their purpose.

If you don't have any faith it's OK know that many Jews blame Christians for defending their faith in Jesus in the first century!

The problem is the if. I didn't ask you not to defend your faith. Propagating lies and manipulations as faith will be debunked and you should be ready to face the reality of it.

achorladey:
The result of not being able to comprehend how the holy spirit works. The doctrines of your religious organization that they were gathering sheep and separating goat na im cause am

At least only JWs could maintain the act of preaching and teaching in all our neighborhood.

That's enough to prove what Jesus said about support from God's Holy Spirit! Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
At least only JWs could maintain the act of preaching and teaching in all our neighborhood.

That's enough to prove what Jesus said about support from God's Holy Spirit! Act 1:8

The height of Jehovah's Witnesses delusion is the below......

At least only JWs could maintain the act of preaching and teaching in all our neighborhood.

I know Jehovah's witnesses are not the one waking up as early as 5 am to 7 am preaching in the street you live every day. I don't have to come to your street to know that.

That's enough to prove what Jesus said about support from God's Holy Spirit! Act 1:8

Jesus don't support noisemakers. Does he? Spare me Acts 1:8 that one na just talk you don't do;. D

achorladey:
The height of Jehovah's Witnesses delusion is the below......
I know Jehovah's witnesses are not the one waking up as early as 5 am to 7 am preaching in the street you live every day. I don't have to come to your street to know that.
Jesus don't support noisemakers. Does he? Spare me Acts 1:8 that one na just talk you don't do;. D

Shouting in the streets right? Matthew 12:19

MaxInDHouse:
Shouting in the streets right? Matthew 12:19

That's what make you a noisemaker by saying........

At least only JWs could maintain the act of preaching and teaching in all our neighborhood.

You don't want me to see it as preaching to advance your usual lies

achorladey:
That's what make you a noisemaker by saying........
You don't want me to see it as preaching to advance your usual lies

It's not me that says nobody heard Jesus' voice in the street o, nah Bible!