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| Re: The Antichrist Effect by DeepSight(m): 10:58am On May 23, 2025 |
LordReed:I can't really speak to evidence but the collective memory of humankind is highly suggestive of some significant event in the deep past. I say this because flood myths are almost universal and exist in almost all cultures of the world. They are by no means unique to the Abrahamic religions. |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by LordReed(m): 12:40pm On May 23, 2025 |
DeepSight:Any culture that develops close to a body of water prone to flood will have flood myths. This is not a sign of a memory of a global flood. Just like diverse language doesn't mean the Tower of Babel was real. |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 3:02pm On May 23, 2025 |
AngelahFlo:This here serves as proof that it is almost impossible for those of you who cling to the doctrines and traditions of men — religion — to be expected to speak things as they are.🙄🙄🙄🙄 31 “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.In Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, we are presented with a narration of what is to happen during the time of the harvest, including the end. Those who belong to the Son of Man are referred to as His angels—sheep—while those who belong to the devil, as you can see above, are also referred to as the devil's angels—goats; they are all eternal beings, meaning they are born-again. The difference between the two groups is in the work or lack of work reported. ![]() 2. Again, you religious folks are nothing but spin doctors. Jesus Christ of Israel, while on earth, definitively stated that His Word is EVERLASTING(never changing)... that should be more than enough for any sane individual to put to rest this nonsense about him having some earthly mission that differed from a non-earthly mission. But unfortunately, religion has to continue to spin its way into relevance into the minds of those who are yet gullible, abi? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 2. Your particular issue is not with me but with the very words of Jesus Christ of Israel Himself, which clearly portray Him as a Messiah to the Israelites alone. This is in alignment with the fact that the request made by David for a King, born of His bloodline, was for the sake of His people— Israelites—, a King to sit on the throne of Israel forever, not the thrones of other nations. This is the covenant that YHWH made with David. ![]() So, for you to suggest that, against the covenant YHWH made with David, and against YHWH who sent Him only to the bloodline of Jacob, that Jesus Christ of Israel, not only decided of His own to gather even non-Israelites to Himself, this after giving His followers the the following commands in His Gospel: ⚉ Do not give that which is Holy — the Gospel — to the dogs, aka the Non-Israelites, insinuating they are not qualified to have the Gospel - Matthew 7 ⚉ You must go to the people of Israel - Matthew 10 ... it means you think of Jesus Christ of Israel as a point to be manipulated/twisted as you will. ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 3:14pm On May 23, 2025 |
AngelahFlo:1. That is what you religious spin doctors used to be notorious for. Only these days, you have gone beyond picking & choosing, as there are only so many spins that can be obtained by that method. 😂😂😂😂 2. Yeah, well, the conversation between Jesus Christ and Nicodemus is recorded in John 3 vs 1 - 21 and in those verses, we learn that in order to be born-again, one has to have a qualified life from one's mother's womb, what Jesus Christ referred to as the Physical life, in addition to the new life which is Spiritual - John 3 vs 5 - 8. Then in John 3 vs 14 - 18, Jesus Christ explains that He would be raised in the same way that Moses raised the Bronze snake to the bloodline of Israel in the desert in Numbers 27. (The bronze snake was raised for the salvation of those of Israel — the bloodline of Jacob —condemned by YHWH— He sent the snakes against them — to die in the desert.) ![]() In the Last Days, those condemned to die among the people of Israel were condemned by YHWH to die because of their rejection of His Law of Moses— the curses of Deuteronomy 28 - 30 rained down on all Israel—, and Jesus Christ was raised by YHWH as salvation for those of Israel who would look upon Him and be saved from death. ![]() 3. Yawn! 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱 |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by AngelahFlo(op): 9:13pm On May 23, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:Despite the fact that your arguments are out of sync, I'm enjoying our discourse. You mentioned a particular bible reference where Jesus is quoted as saying that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel but did you read that part of the bible in its entirety? You simply took it out of context. The reference occured as the result of a woman who came to Jesus over the issue of a sick child requesting that Jesus come to heal the child to which Jesus replied that He wasn't sent to other people but to the list sheep of Israel. The woman persisted to which Jesus replied and said Healing is the children's bread and He can't give that to the dogs. The woman's response to this statement was that the dogs do eat from the crumbs that fall from the master's table. That response got to Jesus for He ended up healing the woman's child. The point I'm trying to make is your Jesus of Israel cos my own Jesus is Jesus Christ the son of the living God who came to save that which is lost whether they be of the lost sheep of Israel or not. That Bible version you used. Which is is it? And where is it stated that the sheep who earn their eternal reward are Angelic beings? Read Genesis 1:26 where God created the first man. In what image was He created. See: Gen 1:26 And God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” KJV 21st century version Gen 1:26 (The Living Bible) Then God said, “Let us make a man[a]—someone like ourselves, to be the master of all life upon the earth and in the skies and in the seas.” If man is made in the image of God, how is he an Angelic Being? Did he become that after he got his eternal reward or before that? Which version of bible are you using. I wanna know |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by AngelahFlo(op): 9:26pm On May 23, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:See how you took a sensible Scripture and quote it out of context!! Wow!!! Didn't it occurred to you that the story of the bronze serpent was a type or representation of something real? Why did you leave out the part where Jesus said to Nicodemus that except a man is born of water and the spirit . He can't be born again. See John 3:3-14 (Amplified Bible Classic version) 3 Jesus answered him, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above), he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter his mother’s womb again and be born? 5 Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [[a]even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God. 6 What is born of [from] the flesh is flesh [of the physical is physical]; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above). 8 The wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from nor where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered by asking, How can all this be possible? 10 Jesus replied, Are you the teacher of Israel, and yet do not know nor understand these things? [Are they strange to you?] 11 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, We speak only of what we know [we know absolutely what we are talking about]; we have actually seen what we are testifying to [we were eyewitnesses of it]. And still you do not receive our testimony [you reject and refuse our evidence—that of Myself and of all those who are born of the Spirit]. 12 If I have told you of things that happen right here on the earth and yet none of you believes Me, how can you believe (trust Me, adhere to Me, rely on Me) if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself], [b]Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven. 14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must [so it is necessary that] the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross], |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkieee: 10:12pm On May 23, 2025*. Modified: 12:30am On May 24, 2025 |
AngelahFlo:1. It seems to me that the meaning of the word Context evades you. I clearly quoted the exact verses to which I referred, establishing that in addition to insisting one had to have the life from one's mother's womb to become born again, one also had to have the new life as well. Why do you insist, against logic, that I quoted the statements out of context when it clearly indicates there in the passage that the statements I made come from within the given context? ![]() 2. The story of the bronze snake is part of the history of Israel, and as I explained, it is found in Numbers 21. So why ask me what amounts to a nonsensical question? ![]() 3. I did not leave out the part about being born again — new life — given my focus was on establishing what Jesus Christ of Israel said of the need for one to first be qualified from one's mother's womb with the physical life necessary to then go on to obtain the new life — become born-again. Essentially, if one is not born of the bloodline of Jacob from His mother's womb, one cannot then go on to obtain the new life — become born-again. Now, for those who are born of the bloodline of Jacob, to obtain the new life, born-again, Jesus Christ of Israel then goes on to insist they must then be born of water & of Spirit. ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 10:22pm On May 23, 2025 |
AngelahFlo:1. Stop posting what amounts to incoherent nonsense! 🙄 Jesus Christ of Israel, in the passage that is Matthew 15 vs 20 - 28, makes the statement not to the Woman but to His disciples who wondered why Jesus Christ of Israel did not respond to the calls from the woman urging Him in the name of David to answer her. The Davidic Covenant was only for the Israelites is why Jesus Christ did not directly respond to her. It wasn't until after she clarified that what she sort was the crumbs that fell from the Master's table from the food meant for the Master's children, that Jesus Christ then turned to address her directly. 🙄🙄 2. This is a very silly response at best. 🙄 3. The absurdities of Religion are unbelievable! The verse tells you that the image which is referred to is the one that establishes humans are rulers over the other creatures on the earth. What is its relevance to this discussion, for crying out loud?🙄🙄 4. Man was created a mortal being in the beginning —humans were created without eternal life. Jesus Christ of Israel came to transform the Israelites who would become His followers —humans, formerly mortals—into immortal beings by installing in them the very same Eternal Life that is YHWH's. And He, Jesus Christ of Israel, referred to these hybrid humans as His angels— eternal beings. ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkieee: 12:32am On May 24, 2025 |
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| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkieee: 12:33am On May 24, 2025 |
Note: Jesus Christ of Israel, in the passage that is Matthew 15 vs 20 - 28, makes the statement not to the Woman but to His disciples who wondered why Jesus Christ of Israel did not respond to the calls from the woman urging Him in the name of David to answer her. The Davidic Covenant— 2 Samuel 7:8-16 —was meant only for Israel and the Israelites— the bloodline of Jacob — is why Jesus Christ did not directly respond to her. It wasn't until after she clarified that what she sort was the crumbs that fell from the Master's table from the food meant for the Master's children, that Jesus Christ then turned to address her directly. 🙄🙄 |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by AngelahFlo(op): 10:36am On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkieee:Hello Brother Everything that has a beginning must have an end. I wanna draw a curtain on this banter of ours. It's been engaging I must admit with neither of us ceding to each other. We all held to our individual faiths and while it may have been like we were both wrong from our individual perspectives, we still defended what we perceived and know to be right. That said hope I didn't get you too angry or emotional? Will be writing another contradicting post before the day is over and will love your input on that as well. Be warned, we may not see eye to eye but it'll be interesting to see things from each other's POV perhaps through that God could work out something good. So looking forward to reading from you and @LordReed. |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Emmanuel30a: 3:31pm On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:One of the questions he asked you : Who is GOD AND JESUS TO YOU? ANSWER! |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Emmanuel30a: 3:50pm On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:If you are not a christian, why are you talking about GOD and THE LORD JESUS CHRIST? What is your gain or what would be your gain? What did you stand to gain or achieve by talking about how JESUS CHRIST came only for isrealite? Are you preaching the gospel...? I think people can read that in The Bible themselves... Are you telling them tell that they should believe in you? What would happen to those who believe in Jesus Christ of Israel...? |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 3:56pm On May 24, 2025 |
Emmanuel30a:According to the books, YHWH, who gave Himself the title "God of Israel" over the people He named after Himself is God over the bloodline of Jacob, and Jesus Christ of Israel is the promised forever King of the land of Israel that was given by YHWH to the bloodline of Jacob. ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 3:58pm On May 24, 2025 |
Emmanuel30a:1. Who told you that your religion of Christianity alone, a religion that was created by Non-Israelites for their political and material purposes has reason to discuss the contents of the book that is instead of Israelite origin and speaks of the God of Israel? ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Emmanuel30a: 4:06pm On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:So, you have no relationship with HIM and HE doesn't knows you...? Why then are you talking to people about HIM...? |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Emmanuel30a: 4:13pm On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:If MY RELIGION can't speak of THE BIBLE and can't speak of GOD of Isreal, what is you and your religion and how and why can you and your religion speak of THE BIBLE and THE GOD of Israel? By the way, you haven't answer the previous questions! |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkieee: 4:26pm On May 24, 2025 |
AngelahFlo:We all know why you refuse to cede to that which is plainly stated in the book, and I am caused to draw back to that which the Jesus Christ of Israel who is written about in the books made clear that all those who hold to the doctrines and traditions of men — religion — have absolutely nothing to do with Him. ![]() 2. If you are under some delusion that you are my focus, then you are mistaken. My focus is merely on countering the bloody arse lies you religious folks like to hide particularly behind the mentions of the names of the God of Isreal— YHWH — and His son, Jesus Christ of Israel. ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 4:31pm On May 24, 2025 |
Emmanuel30a:Your religion is a fraudulent arrangement by non-Israelites aka dogs — Later made official by the Romans —that attempted to usurp the movement that began by the Israelites back in Jerusalem and the nation of Judah before their eventual destruction. I am simply an individual reading through the books and looking to honor the actual messages intended by the Israelite authors of the many books your religion pretends it abides by. ![]() 2. I did answer your question. None of the authors placed any requirements on me, the reader, to that end. And since I don't subscribe to your religious delusion, I can only wonder why you would think to ask me such a silly question. ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 4:33pm On May 24, 2025 |
Emmanuel30a:I don't understand! I read through the books, and I talk to people about what I have read in the books. What rule is there requiring that I not do so? ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Emmanuel30a: 4:53pm On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:Are you a follower of JESUS CHRIST? If you have read other religion books too, do talk to them on their religion section... Islam section is there...others... Why are you reading books? Is there book you wants to recommend for one to read, if one wants to connect with one CREATOR...? How did you talks to your creator...? Who is your creator? Where is your creator? Where did you wants to go or where would you go, when you leave planet earth? How would you leave planet earth? |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkie: 4:55pm On May 24, 2025 |
Emmanuel30a:All of these questions are actually meaningless since they all assume my freedoms to read and write are restricted by some non-existent rules. You can't decide for me where I can or cannot comment or what I can or can't comment on. You should be working on accepting that fact... dragging this one will get you nowhere fast. ![]() |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Emmanuel30a: 5:09pm On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:What prompts you to wants to honour the actual messages intended by the israelite authors...? Are there ways to know authors actual messages when one is reading a book? If none of the authors placed any requirements according to you, didn't you read in THE BIBLE that those who don't believe in JESUS CHRIST has already been judged...? So, are you not someone who have read THE BIBLE and doesn't believe in JESUS CHRIST? |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Emmanuel30a: 5:24pm On May 24, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:You said that because you are online...! When people who knows you offline read what you writes online, they can deals with you mercilessly offline... That's when you would know what you can say and what you can't... When people are killing offline for online blasphemy or unrelatable comments, where are people like you that are talking about non existent rules? As if you know rules, authors rules or what you read in the book? So, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and all other laws in THE BIBLE are irrelevant, because they were not given by the authors? |
| Re: The Antichrist Effect by Kobojunkieee: 5:32pm On May 24, 2025 |
Emmanuel30a:See delusion... so you admit that your online persona does not match your offline self. 🤣🤣 2. Last I checked, it is you religious nutjobs responsible for the offline killings, though, as well as the online accusations of blasphemy.🤣🤣 3. Rules, author's rules? What the heck are you on about? The authors of the books are Israelites who wrote of their God, the God of their people. ![]() 4. The ten commandments, along with the 611 other commandments contained in the Law of Moses, comprise the Constitutional Law in the Nation of Israel constituted by the YHWH of Israel. That is what the authors wrote about in their books. ![]() |
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