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MaxInDHouse:
What about:

I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. John 17:22

So i'm God since i'm one with the father the same way Jesus is one with the father, shey?

You confuse the verse.

In the verse you quoted, Jesus is specifically referring to oneness in thought , loved , purpose and belief...which is why if you go on further in verse 23 He said : ..I in them , and you in Me, that they may be made perfect in one(love) , and that the world may know know you sent Me(purpose)

Jesus in this passage is not taking about humans being equal with Him, but that they , believing on Him , will the same purpose that Godhead (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit)have.

Petalss:
So that makes them how many God?

It is just one God bros.

Just think of it like water in the form of steam, ice and regular liquid : just because the state of changes doesn't mean it is not water . Same applies here with Jesus, His Father and the Holy Spirit: three persons but one God

Jashub:
You confuse the verse.
In the verse you quoted, Jesus is specifically referring to oneness in thought , loved , purpose and belief...

This is the same thing Jesus meant when he utter the statement you quoted!

QuinQ:
So where did all those profound words in the Bible come?

Some of them probably came from ancient writings that were already familiar literature in those days. They get absorbed into the culture and take on the likeness of the culture.

I doubt that everything written to have been said by Jesus was actually said by him because some of it could not have been known by the authors.

Jashub:
It is just one God bros.
Just think of it like water in the form of steam, ice and regular liquid : just because the state of changes doesn't mean it is not water . Same applies here with Jesus, His Father and the Holy Spirit: three persons but one God

This is a lie because when Jesus prayed he begged his father saying:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

Clearly Jesus is not the same person otherwise they can't have different opinion, here Jesus is telling his God and father that this situation is unpalatable for him so the father should change it but as he believes his father knows best he is willing to yield!

MaxInDHouse:
This is the same thing Jesus meant when he utter the statement you quoted!

False. Jesus uttered the initial statement and His listener wanted to throw stones at Him. Get your facts right

MaxInDHouse:
You didn't answer the question.

How many lords do you know in the Bible?

Or better still tell me which among these two is YHWH:
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The Lord says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1 NIV

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:1 KJV

Please which between the two is YHWH?

The answer:
it is BEYOND your comprehension! You are INCAPABLE of grasping the structure of the spirit world!! It is like telling someone in a two-dimensional world that if you keep going in a straight line on a sphere you'd come back to where you started. He'd keep insisting they're two different points and there is no way you can convince him they are the same point!

So on what basis do you believe other aspects of the Spirit world??
You believe God can simultaneously listen to millions of prayers. You believe God and Jesus can simultaneously dwell INSIDE lots of people. You believed Jesus when He said He and the Father are one, and that once you see Him you've seen the Father. The only thing you can't believe is that God (the Son) can sit beside God (the Father)! Wow!

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie because when Jesus prayed he begged his father saying:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

Clearly Jesus is not the same person otherwise they can't have different opinion, here Jesus is telling his God and father that this situation is unpalatable for him so the father should change it but as he believes his father knows best he is willing to yield!

I never said Jesus and His Father were the same person Oga....I only said that Jesus is God and so is His Father: one God , three persons .

Jashub:
False. Jesus uttered the initial statement and His listener wanted to throw stones at Him. Get your facts right

Throw stones at him because they were annoyed at his statement

QuinQ:
The answer: it is BEYOND your compression! You are INCAPABLE of grasping the structure of the spirit world!! It is like telling someone in a two-dimensional world that if you keep going in a straight line on a sphere you'd come back to where you started. He'd keep insisting they're two different points and there is no way you can convince him they are the same point!

So on what basis do you believe other aspects of the Spirit world??
2) You believe God can simultaneously listen to millions of prayers. You believe God and Jesus can simultaneously dwell INSIDE lots of people. You believed Jesus when He said He and the Father are one, and that once you see Him you've seen the Father. The only thing you can't believe is that God (the Son) can sit beside God (the Father)! Wow!

Guy i am not chatting with you so if you don't mind stop quoting me!

Jashub:
I never said Jesus and His Father were the same person Oga....I only said that Jesus is God and so is His Father: one God , three persons .

Where is that written in the Bible o?

Jashub:
I never said Jesus and His Father were the same person Oga....I only said that Jesus is God and so is His Father: one God , three persons .

Secondly, Jesus praying to His Father does not make him any less equal to God . After all, the same bible in scripture (Heb1:8.) ,says : But about the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom



From this verse , even the Father acknowledges and calls the Son God.

MaxInDHouse:
Where is that written in the Bible o?

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit(Mat28:19)

MaxInDHouse:
Throw stones at him because they were annoyed at his statement

Nope...

To them, He was blaspheming ...and that was an offense punishable by death

Jashub:
Secondly, Jesus praying to His Father does not make him any less equal to God . [/b]

Do you know the difference between equal to and greater than

Jesus said:

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER THAN I am. John 14:28

Jesus said his father is GREATER THAN him which means he is lesser to his father but you are now changing what he himself said!

Jashub:
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit(Mat28:19)

Where is three persons mentioned here?

Jashub:
Nope...
To them, He was blaspheming ...and that was an offense punishable by death

They lied several times against him so it's nothing!

MaxInDHouse:
You didn't answer the question.

How many lords do you know in the Bible?

Or better still tell me which among these two is YHWH:
‬
The Lord says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1 NIV

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:1 KJV

Please which between the two is YHWH?

The answer:
it is BEYOND your compression! You are INCAPABLE of grasping the structure of the spirit world!! It is like telling someone in a two-dimensional world that if you keep going in a straight line on a sphere you'd come back to where you started. He'd keep insisting they're two different points and there is no way you can convince him they are the same point!

So on what basis do you believe other aspects of the Spirit world??
You believe God can simultaneously listen to millions of prayers. You believe God and Jesus can simultaneously dwell INSIDE lots of people. You believed Jesus when He said He and the Father are one, and that once you see Him you've seen the Father. The only thing you can't believe is that God (the Son) can sit beside God (the Father)! Wow!

Jashub:
It is just one God bros.

Just think of it like water in the form of steam, ice and regular liquid : just because the state of changes doesn't mean it is not water . Same applies here with Jesus, His Father and the Holy Spirit: three persons but one God

He won't understand that this is a very rough approximation - that there is actually no human analogy that can describe God. Just as we use "He" for God when in reality "He" does not at all apply to God

QuinQ:
The answer:
it is BEYOND your compression! You are INCAPABLE of grasping the structure of the spirit world!! It is like telling someone in a two-dimensional world that if you keep going in a straight line on a sphere you'd come back to where you started. He'd keep insisting they're two different points and there is no way you can convince him they are the same point! So on what basis do you believe other aspects of the Spirit world??
You believe God can simultaneously listen to millions of prayers. You believe God and Jesus can simultaneously dwell INSIDE lots of people. You believed Jesus when He said He and the Father are one, and that once you see Him you've seen the Father. The only thing you can't believe is that God (the Son) can sit beside God (the Father)! Wow!
He won't understand that this is a very rough approximation - that there is actually no human analogy that can describe God. Just as we use "He" for God when in reality "He" does not at all apply to God

You are not a honest person so go and talk to your fellow politicians this is the last response you are getting from me!

Jashub:
Oga, the Hebrews used a particular context to specify what kind of lord they were referring.
Which is why the translators used capitals in referring to Adonai(Lord)

To answer your second question:

YHWH...is both of them. That scripture is referring to the God the Father, saying to Jesus ( God the son ) to sit at his right hand .


Jesus is God and so is the Father , and the Holy Spirit. All three are one God (John10:30)

Elohim
Three in one
God the father God the son and God the Holy Spirit
John’s testimony about Jesus Christ explains all we need to know firstly but the max guy will not go there

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the difference between equal to and greater than

Jesus said:

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER THAN I am. John 14:28

Jesus said his father is GREATER THAN him which means he is lesser to his father but you are now changing what he himself said!

You are twisting words I never said



To answer you, see what Paul the apostle writes[b] who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.[/b] Phillipians 2:6-11

This very verse says that Jesus is equal to God(the Father ).

Jashub:
You are twisting words I never said
To answer you, see what Paul the apostle writes[b] who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.[/b] Phillipians 2:6-11

This very verse says that Jesus is equal to God(the Father ).

Simple question:

Is Jesus equal to his father?

According to Jesus himself the father is GREATER THAN him. John 14:28

Father > Jesus ~ Jesus himself

Father = Jesus ~ Religionists

MaxInDHouse:
Well this is contrary to what Jesus taught and what his disciples believe.

Regarding Psalms 110:1

Peter (a born again Christian in the first century) said:

For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ Act 2:34-35

Jehovah (YWWH) spoke to Jesus not Jesus speaking to Jesus or Jehovah speaking to Jehovah.

In the first century Jesus said:

I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. John 5:30

Jesus' disciples said:

The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. Act 5:30

Paul told the Jews:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

So both Jesus and his disciples told us that he (Jesus) is God's Son not God! John 3:16; Matthew 16:13-16

Thanks!

But the same Jesus said that the God He was praying to was inside Him, and that once you see Him you've seen that God!

LordReed:
Some of them probably came from ancient writings that were already familiar literature in those days. They get absorbed into the culture and take on the likeness of the culture.

I doubt that everything written to have been said by Jesus was actually said by him because some of it could not have been known by the authors.

The bolded, I thought you just said Jesus didn't exist

MaxInDHouse:
Simple question:

Is Jesus equal to his father?

The bible already say that

And I gave references.

John 10:30

John 1:1-8

John14:9

1 Timothy 3:16

Phillipian 2:6-11

Isaiah 9:6




Jesus is walking, talking , breathing God

Jashub:
The bible already say that
And I gave references.
John 10:30
John 1:1-8
John14:9
1 Timothy 3:16
Phillipian 2:6-11
Isaiah 9:6

Jesus said:

The father is GREATER THAN him! John 14:28

So if your religion is twisting any verse in God's word remember what Jesus himself said about GREATER THAN and EQUAL TO!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:

The father is GREATER THAN him! John 14:28

Jesus said alot of things about Himself .

And what you just quote is one of the many...

Jashub:
Jesus said alot of things about Himself .
And what you just quote is one of the many...

So are you saying Jesus contradicted himself?

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying Jesus contradicted himself?

That's your opinion...I am just telling you what Jesus said about Himself. It is left for you to take it or tear it out of your JW scripture

MaxInDHouse:
According to Jesus himself the father is GREATER THAN him. John 14:28

Father > Jesus ~ Jesus himself

Father = Jesus ~ Religionists

According to the same Jesus He and the Father are one, and once you see Him you've seen the Father, and they are both inside each other!

Also, what do you call someone who can raise Himself from dead if not God. "Destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days!"

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:

The father is GREATER THAN him! John 14:28

So if your religion is twisting any verse in God's word remember what Jesus himself said about GREATER THAN and EQUAL TO!

I already told you, greater than in approximately the same sense the peak of Mount Everest is higher than a lower peak - but they are both Mount Everest!

Jashub:
That's your opinion...I am just telling you what Jesus said about Himself. It is left for you to take it or tear it out of your JW scripture

Well i wasn't here for you it's the OP that i'm interested in telling the truth from the Bible that Jesus is God's Son not God. John 3:16

Thanks for your time!