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QuinQ:
➜Sorry, not being arrogant but this one is beneath me. You really ought go immerse yourself in a study of history of Israel before I can continue this discussion with you. Also study the 400 years between the old and new testaments
(For comparison, USA is only 200+ years old)

I have studied all of that that and nothing of what you claim compares to facts of history. I have continually asked that you focus on providing evidence to support your claims, but you seem to think you can bully your way into winning still... why?

You keep avoiding my direct questions to you only to keep asserting this nonsense of yours, and I can't help but wonder if you are in your correct mind at this point.

Again, 1. The books of the Bible state that the nation existed and that Jesus Christ was born into it. History has it that Hadrian is the one who renamed it from Judea to Syrian Palestine as we have it today, and this was approximately 100 years after the death of Jesus Christ. So, what part of Google do you claim told you instead that the nation ceased to exist 600 years before Jesus Christ?

2. Well, the "Lost tribes of Israel" myth was created by those of the Religion of Christianity, a myth which contradicts Scripture itself, which clearly proves that living among the Jews( the tribes of Benjamin and Judah) were the Levites and Samaritans. How can 10 tribes of Israel be considered lost when, in the course of this discourse alone, we were able to verify that at least 4 out of the 12 lived in Judea in the first century?

Kobojunkie:
1. The Oxford definition I used surfices. I keep insisting that there are two separate groups in contention here, and each group was persecuted by different people. But you keep ignoring that fact of the discussion to continue to assert your washed-up ideas instead. Why?

2. Definition has nothing to do with this. Rather, at the core of all of this is pointing out the difference between the persecutions of the followers of Jesus Christ vs the persecutions of the Roman Christians.

3. See what I mean! You twist what I say and then expect me to retort in agreement or disagreement. Does any of that make sense?

Again, my claim from the beginning until now has been that the Christians who are of the religion of Christianity— all of them non-Israelites, aka dogs — were never persecuted by the Jews. Their persecution came solely from the Romans. This much I continue to make clear in my posts.

4. Herod, like Paul, was a Jew born to a Jewish parent and was also a Roman citizen. Why can't I use Paul as an example in this case?

P.S. Please make sure to read through the response carefully before you respond! I am having to repeat myself over and over, and it is getting tiring!

Were the apostles roman christians here?

"The law was in place before Paul and Silas showed up in Philippi. There was no persecution"

This was what you said in answer to the verse that Qing quoted

"They brought them before the magistrates and said, “These men are Jews, and are throwing our city into an uproar 21 by advocating customs unlawful for us Romans to accept or practice.”

You assumed because their act was against the law already in place that it's not persecution, I said you are wrong that this is the act of persecution as we know it, according to ICC. You later gave me a definition.
per·se·cu·tion
hostility and ill-treatment, especially on the basis of ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation or political beliefs.

And I said since your definition excludes whether it's against the national law or not, it agrees with the definition of ICC, that is it is right to say that the roman reporting and harassing the apostles because of their religious belief is an act of persecution.

and you said the christians were not persecuted by the Romans. And I gave you example of a roman guy, Herod who persecuted the apostles and christians (act 12).
you are saying some christians are dogs and some are the real ones. Weren't the apostles "the followers of Christ, and not roman Christians" according to you, being persecuted by Herod, a roman guy here? Also how many times do I have to say that Herod was not born Jewish? then why gave example of Paul who was born Jewish?

Please just do some google search about Herod family. All historians and jews knows it for a fact that Herod was never Jewish by birth.

broIZ:
➜Were the apostles roman christians here? "The law was in place before Paul and Silas showed up in Philippi. There was no persecution" This was what you said in answer to the verse that Qing quoted
"They brought them before the magistrates and said, “These men are Jews, and are throwing our city into an uproar 21 by advocating customs unlawful for us Romans to accept or practice.” I said you are wrong that this is the act of persecution as we know it, according to ICC.
➜ and then you said the christians were not persecuted by the Romans. And I gave you example of a roman guy, Herod who persecuted the apostles and christians (act 12).
➜you are saying some christians are dogs and some are the real ones.
➜ Weren't the apostles the followers of Chris according persecuted by Herod?
➜ Also how many times do I have to say that Herod was not born Jewish?

Judae, the nation of the Jews was captured by the Babylonians around 685 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar. Babylonian rule was toppled by the Persians, who also took over Judea around 620 BCE. This was followed by the Greek Empire in 330 BCE, and then eventually by the Romans in 63 BCE. Phillipi, the place where Paul and Silas were prosecuted and punished for disseminating unlawful information, was part of the Roman Province.

2. And I recall correcting you several times already, pointing out that Herod was the Jewish King of the Jews who ruled and persecuted the followers of Jesus Christ of Israel because of their beliefs, which were not seen as conforming to their Jewish religious laws.

3. Jesus Christ of Israel said His followers are of the Lost sheep of Israel - sheep. Jesus Christ of Israel is also the one who pointed out that non-Israelites were dogs and should not be handed the Gospel — Holy— citing their being incapable of handling it. The Romans—dogs— who turned themselves into a religion that plagiarized the movement started by Jesus Christ of Israel are the ones called Christians, and their religion is Christianity.

4. For the umpteenth time, Herod was a Jew, and he was the king of the jews whom Jesus Christ of Israel was accused of attempting to usurp by His claim that He was the Messiah.

5. What proof do you have that Herod was not born a Jew?

Kobojunkie:
Judae, the nation of the Jews was captured by the Babylonians around 685 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar. Babylonian rule was toppled by the Persians, who also took over Judea around 620 BCE. This was followed by the Greek Empire in 330 BCE, and then eventually by the Romans in 63 BCE. Phillipi, the place where Paul and Silas were prosecuted and punished for disseminating unlawful information, was part of the Roman Province.

2. And I recall correcting you several times already, pointing out that Herod was the Jewish King of the Jews who ruled and persecuted the followers of Jesus Christ of Israel because of their beliefs, which were not seen as conforming to their Jewish religious laws.

3. Jesus Christ of Israel said His followers are of the Lost sheep of Israel - sheep. Jesus Christ of Israel is also the one who pointed out that non-Israelites were dogs and should not be handed the Gospel — Holy— citing their being incapable of handling it. The Romans—dogs— who turned themselves into a religion that plagiarized the movement started by Jesus Christ of Israel are the ones called Christians, and their religion is Christianity.

4. For the umpteenth time, Herod was a Jew, and he was the king of the jews whom Jesus Christ of Israel was accused of attempting to usurp by His claim that He was the Messiah.

5. What proof do you have that Herod was not born a Jew?

You addressed nothing of what I said. Yes Paul and Silas were arrested because of their religion in the roman province. This act is an act of persecution, according to the ICC.
You are asserting Christianity has been plagiarized. But I am not arguing that with you. (atleast not yet), I am arguing that Paul and other apostles were persecuted in the bible not only by Jews but also by Romans. The verse Qing quoted implied it, but you rejected it. And I gave you the verse where it was clearly stated that the apostles were persecuted by Herod , a roman guy.

why are you asking me proof? when you also are giving out histories of Israel and Judah and without any proof. Are you a historian? It's because you assume it's a general knowledge. I also assumed the Herod not being a Jewish a general knowledge that everyone knows. Herod was forced on the Jews as king by the Roman empire. He was there to subjugate them.

Kobojunkie:
WoW... You haven't realized at this point in the discussion that your religious gobblegook tales mean absolutely nothing to me?

2. Covenant Israelites? What the f-ck does that even mean? Where in Scripture do you get this notion that there exist Israelites who were excluded from the Covenant by the God of Israel, who is instead written to have chosen all of Israel as His people?

Problem is, you don't know, you won't research, yet you're unteachable. You only have in your head some ideas someone implanted in your head and you keep repeating them!

Covenant Israelites are Israelites that fulfill God's requirements to continue being his chosen people according to his covenant with Abraham.
One of those you find in Deuteronomy 7: 3,6 -
"Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons... For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession."
So you cannot intermarry with Gentiles for 700 years like Samaritans and even develop your own religion (Samaritanism) and still stay a covenant Israelite!

Kobojunkie:
I have studied all of that that and nothing of what you claim compares to facts of history. I have continually asked that you focus on providing evidence to support your claims, but you seem to think you can bully your way into winning still... why?

You keep avoiding my direct questions to you only to keep asserting this nonsense of yours, and I can't help but wonder if you are in your correct mind at this point.

Again, 1. The books of the Bible state that the nation existed and that Jesus Christ was born into it. History has it that Hadrian is the one who renamed it from Judea to Syrian Palestine as we have it today, and this was approximately 100 years after the death of Jesus Christ. So, what part of Google do you claim told you instead that the nation ceased to exist 600 years before Jesus Christ?

2. Well, the "Lost tribes of Israel" myth was created by those of the Religion of Christianity, a myth which contradicts Scripture itself, which clearly proves that living among the Jews( the tribes of Benjamin and Judah) were the Levites and Samaritans. How can 10 tribes of Israel be considered lost when, in the course of this discourse alone, we were able to verify that at least 4 out of the 12 lived in Judea in the first century?

You haven't studied anything or you won't be repeating the same misinformation. See just mere Google below.

(If Igbo land were named "Biafra", after the Civil War it'd still be called Biafra, right? But would you say the nation/country of Biafra continued to exist?)

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QuinQ:
✓ You haven't studied anything or you won't be repeating the same misinformation. See just mere Google below.
(If Igbo land were named "Biafra", after the Civil War it'd still be called Biafra, but would you say the nation/country of Biafra continued to exist?)

please try to use your head a lot more abeg! 🙄🙄🙄

There are 12 tribes of Israel (Manasseh and Ephraim both belonging instead to the tribe of Joseph) and we confirm that at least members of 4 out of those 12 tribes lived in Judah -- Levi, Benjamin, Judah and whatever order tribes you wish to pretend the Samaritans consisted of. Do the math. What is 12 - 4? Doesn't that serve as more than enough proof that your Lost 10 tribes idea is a myth?

QuinQ:
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So what nation did Hadrian rename Palestine?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ of Israel said His followers are of the Lost sheep of Israel - sheep. Jesus Christ of Israel is also born a Jew?

Now let's deal with this your insistence on calling him "Jesus of Israel" (so that henceforth you'd stop doing it).

One of the last commandments Jesus gave the apostles was AFTER his resurrection from the dead. It is called "The Great Commission":
In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus instructs his disciples to "go and make disciples of all nations." This explicit command was from the resurrected Christ HIMSELF, not Paul or anybody else. A "Jesus of ONLY Israel" would NOT give such a commandment. Add to that his various interactions with, and miracles for, Gentiles, and you can be certain Christ's message and salvation was meant for all mankind!

Kobojunkie:
please try to use your head a lot more abeg! 🙄🙄🙄

There are 12 tribes of Israel (Manasseh and Ephraim both belonging instead to the tribe of Joseph) and we confirm that at least members of 4 out of those 12 tribes lived in Judah -- Levi, Benjamin, Judah and whatever order tribes you wish to pretend the Samaritans consisted of. Do the math. What is 12 - 4? Doesn't that serve as more than enough proof that your Lost 10 tribes idea is a myth?

My friend I thought you said you studied? And do you even read what I write? Samaritans were a mixture of peoples and NOT considered a tribe of Israel! Levi is not counted among the tribes, otherwise there'd actually be 13 tribes!
I'm sure you'd ask me same dumb question again!

Kobojunkie:
So what nation did Hadrian rename Palestine?

I don't think you read this part of my post:
If Igbo land were named "Biafra", after the Civil War it'd still be called Biafra, right? But would you say the nation/country of Biafra continued to exist?
And if someone comes along and renames it, does it mean it suddenly started existing again?
"Nation/country" is what the area called Biafra was durring the civil war.
"Not nation/country" is what same area is today!

QuinQ:
➜ Now let's deal with this your insistence on calling him "Jesus of Israel" (so that henceforth you'd stop doing it).
➜ One of the last commandments Jesus gave the apostles was AFTER his resurrection from the dead. It is called "The Great Commission":
In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus instructs his disciples to "go and make disciples of all nations." This explicit command was from the resurrected Christ HIMSELF, not Paul or anybody else. A "Jesus of ONLY Israel" would NOT give such a commandment. Add to that his various interactions with, and miracles for, Gentiles, and you can be certain Christ's message and salvation was meant for all mankind!

You can't deal with someone you have for over 2 pages now refused to broach and that is the fact that Jesus Christ said His Father sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Isreal and even when He sent His followers out to only the Jewish subset of the Lost sheep, He made clear that they were also to go only to the Lost sheep of Israel.

What you Christians call your great commission DOES NOT NEGATE the fact that Jesus Christ of Israel's Father sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. It also DOES NOT NEGATE the previous warning which Jesus Christ of Israel gave His followers, instructing them not to give that which is Holy to the non-Israelites. In sending His followers out to all the Nations, the understanding remained that they were to go to the Lost Sheep of Israel and not give that which is Holy— the Gospel— to the dogs — the non-Israelites. This isn't rocket science and going around and around in circles with this will not change any of the truths declared by Jesus Christ of Israel as far as His followers are concerned.

QuinQ:
➜ I don't think you read this part of my post: If Igbo land were named "Biafra", after the Civil War it'd still be called Biafra, right? But would you say the nation/country of Biafra continued to exist? And if someone comes along and renames it, does it mean it suddenly started existing again? "Nation/country" is what the area called Biafra was durring the civil war. "Not nation/country" is what same area is today!

Again, what nation/kingdom/etc, did the Hadrian, the Roman, rename as Syria Palaestina around 135 AD? That is the nation I have been referring to. No need for this incessant and meaningless roundabout, abeg!

QuinQ:
➜My friend I thought you said you studied? And do you even read what I write? Samaritans were a mixture of peoples and NOT considered a tribe of Israel!
➜ Levi is not counted among the tribes, otherwise there'd actually be 13 tribes! I'm sure you'd ask me same dumb question again!

Even though the Samaritan woman clearly declared their ancestor to be Jacob, the same one that is Jesus Christ of Israel's very own ancestor, right there in John 4, you insist she was not Israelite enough or what? Samaritan isn't the name of a tribe, however, the fact is they are non-Jewish descendants of Israel, so why the denial of her inclusion?

2. Levi is not counted among the tribes? WOW... and here I thought Jacob had 12 sons and Levi was one of them, making it 12 tribes of Israel?

These are the names of Jacob’s twelve sons:
23 His firstborn son was Reuben, whose mother was Leah. Jacob’s other sons by Leah were Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun.
24 His sons by Rachel were Joseph and Benjamin.
25 His sons by Bilhah, Rachel’s maid, were Dan and Naphtali.
26 His sons by Zilpah, Leah’s maid, were Gad and Asher. - Genesis 35 vs 23 - 26

When did Levi cease to be one of the 12 tribes(sons) of Israel?

Kobojunkie:
Even though the Samaritan woman clearly declared their ancestor to be Jacob, the same one that is Jesus Christ of Israel's very own ancestor, right there in John 4, you insist she was not Israelite enough or what? Samaritan isn't the name of a tribe, however, the fact is they are non-Jewish descendants of Israel, so why the denial of her inclusion?

2. Levi is not counted among the tribes? WOW... and here I thought Jacob had 12 sons and Levi was one of them, making it 12 tribes of Israel?
When did Levi cease to be one of the 12 tribes(sons) of Israel?

OMG this guy! I know you can Google these things and see for yourself; you just like ridiculous debate. I told you anybody can consider themselves anything. If Jews considered Samaritans fellow covenant Israelites do you think they wouldn't be speaking to them? Just imagine how bad it'd get for Yorubas to stop speaking to Hausas!
(Also recall the woman already had 7 husbands and her current man was not her husband. It could be indication of loose morals in Samaria)

Levis were not granted any land but 48 cities throughout Israel. They're traditionally not considered a tribe, but if you wish to include them then there were 13 tribes

Kobojunkie:
Again, what nation/kingdom/etc, did the Hadrian, the Roman, rename as Syria Palaestina around 135 AD? That is the nation I have been referring to. No need for this incessant and meaningless roundabout, abeg!

It was not a nation or kingdom. It was a province of Rome. But use your head sometimes: What sort of nation has image of Caesar of another nation on their money, pays taxes to that nation, and is census-ed by that country? See below

QuinQ:
➜OMG this guy! I know you can Google these things and see for yourself; you just like ridiculous debate. I told you anybody can consider themselves anything. If Jews considered Samaritans fellow covenant Israelites do you think they wouldn't be speaking to them?
➜ Levi's were not granted any land but 48 cities throughout Israel. They're traditionally not considered a tribe, but if you wish to include them then there were 13 tribes

1. Why the f-ck should it matter to me or anything what you think the Jews thought or did not think? Did the Covenant in question belong to these Jews or to YHWH? Why do you keep shoving your private delusions of how you believe those Jews thought, pretending you make some point over what is written in Scripture? Stop running all over the place and answer the questions asked with evidence, abeg! Why do you continue to exclude the Samaritans— clearly descendants of Jacob, whatever their tribe — being considered as far as the people and tribes are concerned? Where in all of Israelite Scripture do you get the reason for this from?

2. What you are suggesting is that YHWH Himself set His system up in such a way that rather than obtain land for their inheritance, the Levites instead got paid from the tithes, vows and offerings, collected via His system, you take that to mean that YHWH excluded the Levites from being considered among the tribes inhabiting the land which He gave to the 12 tribes of Israel? Where did YHWH tell you this— that the Levites were not to be considered part of the 12 tribes?

QuinQ:
➜It was not a nation or kingdom. It was a province of Rome.
➜But use your head sometimes: What sort of nation has image of Caesar of another nation on their money, pays taxes to that nation, and is census-ed by that country? See below

Thank goodness! So, we finally arrived at the nation/kingdom/province existing, abi? And we know it existed, right? Now, can we move past this, or do you want to keep going on about how it did not exist at the time when Jesus Christ was born, or what else?

2. There was no template as far as the treatment or ruling over of captive nations/colonies back during the days of the empires. Each empire ruled over its captive nations/colonies as it saw fit. If you go back through history, you would realize this and quit trying to impose ideas and rules that do not apply, such as the one you attempted here.

Kobojunkie:
1. Why the f-ck should it matter to me or anything what you think the Jews thought or did not think? Did the Covenant in question belong to these Jews or to YHWH? Why do you keep shoving your private delusions of how you believe those Jews thought, pretending you make some point over what is written in Scripture? Stop running all over the place and answer the questions asked with evidence, abeg! Why do you continue to exclude the Samaritans— clearly descendants of Jacob, whatever their tribe — being considered as far as the people and tribes are concerned? Where in all of Israelite Scripture do you get the reason for this from?

2. What you are suggesting is that YHWH Himself set His system up in such a way that rather than obtain land for their inheritance, the Levites instead got paid from the tithes, vows and offerings, collected via His system, you take that to mean that YHWH excluded the Levites from being considered among the tribes inhabiting the land which He gave to the 12 tribes of Israel? Where did YHWH tell you this— that the Levites were not to be considered part of the 12 tribes?

I don't think you actually read what write. You just reply. Here again is one thing they had to do to maintain the covenant (like circumcision):

Deuteronomy 7: 3,6 -
"Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons... For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession."

QuinQ:
➜I don't think you actually read what write. You just reply. Here again is one thing they had to do to maintain the covenant (like circumcision):
Deuteronomy 7: 3,6 -
"Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons... For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession."

How does this passage answer any of the questions I posed you earlier?

1. Again, why the f-ck should it matter to me or anything what you think the Jews thought or did not think? Did the Covenant in question belong to these Jews or to YHWH? Why do you keep shoving your private delusions of how you believe those Jews thought, pretending you make some point over what is written in Scripture? Stop running all over the place and answer the questions asked with evidence, abeg! Why do you continue to exclude the Samaritans— clearly descendants of Jacob, whatever their tribe — being considered as far as the people and tribes are concerned? Where in all of Israelite Scripture do you get the reason for this from?

2. What you are suggesting is that YHWH Himself set His system up in such a way that rather than obtain land for their inheritance, the Levites instead got paid from the tithes, vows and offerings, collected via His system, you take that to mean that YHWH excluded the Levites from being considered among the tribes inhabiting the land which He gave to the 12 tribes of Israel? Where did YHWH tell you this— that the Levites were not to be considered part of the 12 tribes?

Are you a BLITHERING IDIOT?? You are really beginning to piss me off! It was a PROVINCE of a country (Rome) NOT country of it's own. Exactly same way Oyo is a state or province in Nigeria!

Judah/judae was a captive nation/colony— first with the Babylonians, then the Persians, the Greeks, and eventually the Romans. There were no rules as far as what the Colonizers could or could not do to their captive nations. So, if it went from being a nation to a kingdom to a province, etc., that does not matter to this discourse. So stop f-cking shifting the goal post!

Kobojunkie:
Thank goodness! So, we finally arrived at the nation/kingdom/province existing, abi? And we know it existed, right? Now, can we move past this, or do you want to keep going on about how it did not exist at the time when Jesus Christ was born, or what else?

2. There was no template as far as the treatment or ruling over of captive nations/colonies back during the days of the empires. Each empire ruled over its captive nations/colonies as it saw fit. If you go back through history, you would realize this and quit trying to impose ideas and rules that do not apply, such as the one you attempted here.

I hope I'm NOT talking to blithering idiot
It was a province of Rome NOT a country (just as we have provinces and states here) It hadn't been a country for almost 600 years. Remember Jews asked Jesus if they should pay taxes to Caesar and he told them to show him the money with Caesar. Also, remember there was that census decreed by Rome durring which Christ was born?

Kobojunkie:
How does this passage answer any of the questions I posed you earlier?

1. Again, why the f-ck should it matter to me or anything what you think the Jews thought or did not think? Did the Covenant in question belong to these Jews or to YHWH? Why do you keep shoving your private delusions of how you believe those Jews thought, pretending you make some point over what is written in Scripture? Stop running all over the place and answer the questions asked with evidence, abeg! Why do you continue to exclude the Samaritans— clearly descendants of Jacob, whatever their tribe — being considered as far as the people and tribes are concerned? Where in all of Israelite Scripture do you get the reason for this from?

2. What you are suggesting is that YHWH Himself set His system up in such a way that rather than obtain land for their inheritance, the Levites instead got paid from the tithes, vows and offerings, collected via His system, you take that to mean that YHWH excluded the Levites from being considered among the tribes inhabiting the land which He gave to the 12 tribes of Israel? Where did YHWH tell you this— that the Levites were not to be considered part of the 12 tribes?

I am slowly beginning to realize I'm NOT talking to a normal person and will have to soon stop.

1) In case you have forgotten, this discussion is about why JESUS would NOT consider Samaritans part of covenant Israel and therefore part of lost sheep of Israel. That's "why the f-ck" it matters!

2) Levites were NOT given a tribal land of their own like other tribes. There is no area called Levi.
But you can still include them as one of the tribes if you wish meaning there were 13 tribes NOT 12

QuinQ:
➜I am slowly beginning to realize I'm NOT talking to a normal person and will have to soon stop.[/b]
1) In case you have forgotten, this discussion is about why JESUS would NOT consider Samaritans part of covenant Israel and therefore part of lost sheep of Israel. That's "why the f-ck" it matters!
2) Levites were NOT given a tribal land of their own like other tribes. There is no area called Levi.
But you can still include them as one of the tribes if you wish meaning there were 13 tribes NOT 12

1. Answer the questions asked instead of this constant need to shift the goal post.

1. Where in the Scriptures do you have YHWH or Jesus Christ, or Israel informing you that the Samaritans were not considered part of the Covenant of Israel? Where?

This was not the discussion I was part of, but since you created these nonsense assertions, provide proof to back your claim or leave it in the trash where it belongs.

2. Where in Israelite Scripture were you informed not to consider the Levites as a tribe in Israel because they do not have any land allotted to them? Where?

Stop deviating and f-cking answer the questions asked.

Kobojunkie:
Judah/judae was a captive nation/colony— first with the Babylonians, then the Persians, the Greeks, and eventually the Romans. There were no rules as far as what the Colonizers could or could not do to their captive nations. So, if it went from being a nation to a kingdom to a province, etc., that does not matter to this discourse. So stop f-cking shifting the goal post!

Ok, that's it. I have to end it here. I honestly don't think you're all there.
So it doesn't matter if, say, the area called Biafra is being ruled as part of Nigeria or is a country of its own. That's the discussion - just as Biafra ceased to exist as a country, Judah ceased to exist as a country almost 600 years before Christ was born! And just as you can't reference nation of Biafra today, there was no nation of Judah at time of Christ's walk on earth!
I have to end it here. If you don't get it you'd never get it. Thanks for chatting with me

QuinQ:
I am slowly beginning to realize I'm NOT talking to a normal person and will have to soon stop.

1) In case you have forgotten, this discussion is about why JESUS would NOT consider Samaritans part of covenant Israel and therefore part of lost sheep of Israel. That's "why the f-ck" it matters!

2) Levites were NOT given a tribal land of their own like other tribes. There is no area called Levi.
But you can still include them as one of the tribes if you wish meaning there were 13 tribes NOT 12

I'm not against or in support of your argument but I want to quickly correct an error which is your point 2. Levi was part of the 12 tribes of Israel. He was a bonafide son, and listed as one of the twelve according to the bible. Genesis 49 listed Levi as one of them

broIZ:
I'm not against or in support of your argument but I want to quickly correct an error which is your point 2. Levi was part of the 12 tribes of Israel. He was a bonafide son, and listed as one of the twelve according to the bible. Genesis 49 listed Levi as one of them

Yes...but they were never given a landed inheritance...

sonmvayina:
Yes...but they were never given a landed inheritance...

they were never given a landed inheritance doesn't equate to they were not a part of the 12 tribes of Israel. Levi was a son of Israel, and as thus listed among them, according to Bible and Jewish history.

broIZ:
I'm not against or in support of your argument but I want to quickly correct an error which is your point 2. Levi was part of the 12 tribes of Israel. He was a bonafide son, and listed as one of the twelve according to the bible. Genesis 49 listed Levi as one of them

sonmvayina:
Yes...but they were never given a landed inheritance...

We are talking in terms of "10 lost tribes of Israel".
Levites were scattered in all the tribes, as stated below. So, yes, there were Levites in Judah, but their were also Levites in the lost tribes.
If you count Levi as a tribe then there were 13 tribes since Joseph's two sons each had a tribe.