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So I came across an interesting debate here on Nairaland between tenq and creativeorbit concerning Hubal and his three daughters, at first I ignored it, but in an attempt to Google if some of the info was true I came across this.



It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located.
As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah's three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God.


Now Muslims believe that Quran is perfect and infallible, and is given authority to correct the errors of the Tanakh and the Bible which they believe has been corrupted.

It brings a lot of questions and more doubts concerning Muhammad and the Quran when Muhammad claims to have been deceived by the devil

gohf:
So I came across an interesting debate here on Nairaland between tenq and creativeorbit concerning Hubal and his three daughters, at first I ignored it, but in an attempt to Google if some of the info was true I came across this.



It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located.
As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah's three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God.


Now Muslims believe that Quran is perfect and infallible, and is given authority to correct the errors of the Tanakh and the Bible which they believe has been corrupted.

It brings a lot of questions and more doubts concerning Muhammad and the Quran when Muhammad claims to have been deceived by the devil

Your post is a patchwork of historical distortion, orientalist fantasy, and outdated polemics that have been thoroughly debunked by serious scholarship. Let’s tear it down, brick by brick.

First, your claim that "Allah" was a moon god with daughters is not just false—it’s laughably ignorant. “Allah” was the Arabic word for God long before Islam, used by Arab Christians and Jews alike. Even today, Arabic-speaking Christians refer to God as “Allah.” Conflating Allah with a moon deity is a lazy, discredited trope pushed by fringe sources and pseudo-historians who can’t distinguish between mythology and linguistics.

Second, let’s talk about the so-called “Satanic Verses” incident—yes, the one you're parroting without critical thought. The story is not from the Quran itself, and Islamic scholars have historically regarded it with extreme skepticism or outright rejection. Why? Because it contradicts the Quran’s core claim that God protects the revelation from corruption (Quran 15:9). The alleged event appears in a few weak, conflicting reports centuries after the Prophet’s life—not the Quran, not the Hadith collections with strong isnads, and not anything you can credibly call a “fact of history.”

Moreover, the argument that Muhammad was “deceived by the devil” is circular nonsense. You cite a narrative not accepted by the majority of Islamic scholarship, then use it to attack the integrity of the Quran. That’s not logic; that’s intellectual dishonesty.

And your smug conclusion that this “raises more doubts” is just rhetorical fluff with zero substance. If you’re going to critique Islamic theology, do it with real evidence and a basic understanding of how isnad (chain of narration), tafsir (exegesis), and usul al-fiqh (principles of jurisprudence) work. Otherwise, you’re not debating—you’re regurgitating tabloid-level propaganda.

You want to raise questions? Fine. But don't pretend you're operating from a position of reason while spreading historically illiterate fiction.

TenQ

CreativeOrbit:
Your post is a patchwork of historical distortion, orientalist fantasy, and outdated polemics that have been thoroughly debunked by serious scholarship. Let’s tear it down, brick by brick.

First, your claim that "Allah" was a moon god with daughters is not just false—it’s laughably ignorant. “Allah” was the Arabic word for God long before Islam, used by Arab Christians and Jews alike. Even today, Arabic-speaking Christians refer to God as “Allah.” Conflating Allah with a moon deity is a lazy, discredited trope pushed by fringe sources and pseudo-historians who can’t distinguish between mythology and linguistics.

Second, let’s talk about the so-called “Satanic Verses” incident—yes, the one you're parroting without critical thought. The story is not from the Quran itself, and Islamic scholars have historically regarded it with extreme skepticism or outright rejection. Why? Because it contradicts the Quran’s core claim that God protects the revelation from corruption (Quran 15:9). The alleged event appears in a few weak, conflicting reports centuries after the Prophet’s life—not the Quran, not the Hadith collections with strong isnads, and not anything you can credibly call a “fact of history.”

Moreover, the argument that Muhammad was “deceived by the devil” is circular nonsense. You cite a narrative not accepted by the majority of Islamic scholarship, then use it to attack the integrity of the Quran. That’s not logic; that’s intellectual dishonesty.

And your smug conclusion that this “raises more doubts” is just rhetorical fluff with zero substance. If you’re going to critique Islamic theology, do it with real evidence and a basic understanding of how isnad (chain of narration), tafsir (exegesis), and usul al-fiqh (principles of jurisprudence) work. Otherwise, you’re not debating—you’re regurgitating tabloid-level propaganda.

You want to raise questions? Fine. But don't pretend you're operating from a position of reason while spreading historically illiterate fiction.

TenQ

you call something an oriental fantasy claiming to debunk it with "serious" scholarship to make a joke of others or yourself. Definitely, yourself, for building an expectation that one would read something scholarly from one who laughs ignorantly without understanding what he even read. "I came across an info"

Your first point is inept of any scholarly input nor view but a barrage to undermine a simple reference which is accurate that Allah means the God. But never the less reading through ur noncince with respect to scholarly seriousness, I would simple say or simple put are you not an ostentatious philologaster?

With all your verbosity you find a way to skip past the point in your rhetorics.

You could have simply said none of your essentials which you claimed were important to understanding the Quran claimed that Muhammad was deceived at some point.

One can arrogantly look at others as lazy and still pathetically call it extreme skepticism but is that truly a scholarly view while ignoring to explain or show how incorrect the view is. I believe as shown by your response who the lazy is as you fail to properly answer and clarify your view, but instead you give us this as your serious scholarly response, "The alleged event appears in a few weak, conflicting reports centuries after the Prophet’s life—not the Quran"


And you acknowledging the narrative as cited but not accepted by the majority of Islamic scholarship, is that supposed to be your logical and intellectual honest input to something you don't even consider debate but an illiterate fiction posed as a question. Meanwhile you are agreeing that the narrative as I found it, exists. It's obvious Islamic scholars would debunk such a narrative but honestly your response is as crappy as your reasoning.

Same old lies being regurgitated! I don't know why some Christians are adept in peddling falsehood especially about it Islam.

Moon God!

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): "And the moon, We have measured for it mansions (to traverse)" [Yaa-Seen 36:39], i.e., We have made it progress through stages by which the passing of months can be measured, just as night and day are known from the sun.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):
"They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage . . ." [al-Baqarah 2:189]

"It is He Who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light , and measured out its (their) stages, that you might know the number of their years and the reckoning. . ." [Yoonus 10:5]

So it is clear Allah made the sun, moon and other planetary bodies known and unknown!

CreativeOrbit:
Your post is a patchwork of historical distortion, orientalist fantasy, and outdated polemics that have been thoroughly debunked by serious scholarship. Let’s tear it down, brick by brick.

First, your claim that "Allah" was a moon god with daughters is not just false—it’s laughably ignorant. “Allah” was the Arabic word for God long before Islam, used by Arab Christians and Jews alike. Even today, Arabic-speaking Christians refer to God as “Allah.” Conflating Allah with a moon deity is a lazy, discredited trope pushed by fringe sources and pseudo-historians who can’t distinguish between mythology and linguistics.

Second, let’s talk about the so-called “Satanic Verses” incident—yes, the one you're parroting without critical thought. The story is not from the Quran itself, and Islamic scholars have historically regarded it with extreme skepticism or outright rejection. Why? Because it contradicts the Quran’s core claim that God protects the revelation from corruption (Quran 15:9). The alleged event appears in a few weak, conflicting reports centuries after the Prophet’s life—not the Quran, not the Hadith collections with strong isnads, and not anything you can credibly call a “fact of history.”

Moreover, the argument that Muhammad was “deceived by the devil” is circular nonsense. You cite a narrative not accepted by the majority of Islamic scholarship, then use it to attack the integrity of the Quran. That’s not logic; that’s intellectual dishonesty.

And your smug conclusion that this “raises more doubts” is just rhetorical fluff with zero substance. If you’re going to critique Islamic theology, do it with real evidence and a basic understanding of how isnad (chain of narration), tafsir (exegesis), and usul al-fiqh (principles of jurisprudence) work. Otherwise, you’re not debating—you’re regurgitating tabloid-level propaganda.

You want to raise questions? Fine. But don't pretend you're operating from a position of reason while spreading historically illiterate fiction.

TenQ

SInce you desire scholarship, I will give you from your oldest siras

Let me help you with some history, hoping that at least you will be honest enough to admit the historicity of the claims according to your earliest Islamic sources.
I will focus on Al-Tabari’s Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Muluk even though we can also find the history in
Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah and Al-Azraqi’s Akhbar Makkah .
1. Is it true that Abdul-Muttalib’s Vowed to Sacrifice a Son to Allah?
"Abd al-Muttalib encountered opposition when he was digging Zamzam... so he vowed that if he were to have ten sons to protect him, he would sacrifice one of them to Allah at the Kaaba. When he had ten sons... he gathered them and told them of his vow... They agreed to obey him. He wrote their names on arrows and gave them to the custodian of Hubal in the Kaaba... The arrow came out against Abdullah... Then Abd al-Muttalib took him to the Kaaba to sacrifice him, but the Quraysh intervened... Finally, they consulted a kahin (soothsayer), who ordered them to offer blood-money instead, so they sacrificed 100 camels in his place."
The History of Al-Tabari, Volume 6: Muhammad at Mecca* (translated by W. Montgomery Watt and M.V. McDonald), page 6

a. Who exactly did Abdul-Muttalib say he would sacrifice one of his sons to Allah or Hubal?
b. If it is true, why did Abdul-Muttalib give the arrows of divination to the custodian of Hubal in the Kaaba for his decision to sacrifice unto Allah?


2. Is it true that ‘Abd al-Muttalib stood at the Kaaba praying to Allah while they were casting lots between ‘Abdallāh and the ten camels before Hubal?
"They proceeded until they reached the soothsayer. When ‘Abd al-Muttalib explained the situation to her, she told them to go back to their country and take the young man and ten camels, then cast lots between him and the camels. If the lot fell against the young man, they were to add ten more camels and do it again. If the lot fell against the camels, they were to sacrifice them in his stead. They were to keep doing this until their lord was satisfied.
They returned to Mecca, and when they had agreed to carry out the instructions, ‘Abd al-Muttalib stood at the Ka‘aba praying to Allah while they were casting lots between ‘Abdallāh and the ten camels. The lot fell against ‘Abdallāh. They added ten more camels, making twenty, and the lot fell against ‘Abdallāh. They continued adding ten camels at a time, each time the lot falling against ‘Abdallāh, until there were one hundred camels. Then the lot fell against the camels.
The Quraysh and those present said, ‘At last your lord is satisfied, ‘Abd al-Muttalib.’ But he said, ‘No, by Allah, not until I cast the lots three times.’ So they did it again, and the lot fell against the camels. They did it a third time, and again the lot fell against the camels. Then they were sacrificed in his stead, and ‘Abdallāh was ransomed.
‘Abd al-Muttalib drove the camels to the Ka‘aba and slaughtered them there, leaving them for people and wild beasts to eat. He and his son ‘Abdallāh returned home, and he married him to Āmina bint Wahb b. ‘Abd Manāf b. Zuhra, who was then the noblest woman in Quraysh in lineage and status. She bore him the Messenger of God."
The History of Al-Tabari, Volume 6: Muhammad at Mecca* (translated by W. Montgomery Watt and M.V. McDonald), page 7

a. Was the sacrifice of the camels to Allah or Hubal?
b. Was Hubal just a means of divination for Allah or why did the Quraysh and those present said, ‘At last your lord is satisfied?
c. Can you thus explain the relationship between Allah and Hubal as you should know better

You can find this story also in Ibn Sa'd’s Tabaqat al-Kubra English Translation by S. Moinul Haq (Vol. 1, p. 107-108)
AND your historical source from Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah (as preserved in Ibn Hisham's recension) describing the story of Abdul-Muttalib's vow and the near-sacrifice of Abdullah, from the English translation by Alfred Guillaume (The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press, 1955)

So, historically,
i. Who is Hubal?
ii. What are the names of the three daughters of Hubal
iii. Why is it that the names of the daughters of Hubal are the exact names of the daughters of Allah (at least in the pre-Islamic times)
iv. Can you tell us the meaning of the names Ishmael, Gabriel and Israel?

cc: gohf , AntiChristian

AntiChristian:
Same old lies being regurgitated! I don't know why some Christians are adept in peddling falsehood especially about it Islam.

Moon God!

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): "And the moon, We have measured for it mansions (to traverse)" [Yaa-Seen 36:39], i.e., We have made it progress through stages by which the passing of months can be measured, just as night and day are known from the sun.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):
"They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage . . ." [al-Baqarah 2:189]

"It is He Who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light , and measured out its (their) stages, that you might know the number of their years and the reckoning. . ." [Yoonus 10:5]

So it is clear Allah made the sun, moon and other planetary bodies known and unknown!

So, who is the pre-Islamic Deity called LAH?

NairaLTQ:
So, who is the pre-Islamic Deity called LAH?

Lah?

Did you get that from your dream or ignorance?

ILLAH is the normal name for God or deity in Arabic.

AntiChristian:
Lah?

Did you get that from your dream or ignorance?

ILLAH is the normal name for God or deity in Arabic.

So, who is Lah according to Quran 1:1 ?

TenQ:
So, who is Lah according to Quran 1:1 ?

There's nothing like Lah in Qur'an 1:1 or even Qur'an 1:2 if you understand Arabic simulation.

This just shows how extremely ignorant you are in your claims.

"Bismi-llahi" means "In (the) name (of) Allah".

This "Bi-smi" has a preposition that also affect the word "Allah" when joined to it.

Bismi + Allah = Bismillahi!

Alhamdu + li + Allah = Alhamdulillah.

Only the first Hamzatul wasl is dropped as a result of the prepositions in both cases!

No LAH anywhere but Allah assimilated in grammatical functions!

TenQ:
So, who is Lah according to Quran 1:1 ?

Incomplete education is worse than illiteracy.

Allah is unique and a word not a compound word Al and lah. No if compounding it will be al - ilah not Allah which isn't a composite of Al and lah in the sense you speak

AntiChristian:
There's nothing like Lah in Qur'an 1:1 or even Qur'an 1:2 if you understand Arabic simulation.

This just shows how extremely ignorant you are in your claims.

"Bismi-llahi" means "In (the) name (of) Allah".

This "Bi-smi" has a preposition that also affect the word "Allah" when joined to it.

Bismi + Allah = Bismillahi!

Alhamdu + li + Allah = Alhamdulillah.

Only the first Hamzatul wasl is dropped as a result of the prepositions in both cases!

No LAH anywhere but Allah assimilated in grammatical functions!

We still need to ask you sir
Abdul-LAH (the father of your prophet)
Bisimi-LAH (praise be to LAH)
Alhamdu li-LAH (Praise be to LAH)


Your best argument is just to admit that LAH and ALLAH is the same thing.

Just to tease you as I know that you will hide under Arabic grammar. I have a sentence for you


Arabic Aliah is a name of a person just as Allah is a name of your God. Notice that we did not remove the AL before the name Aliah to make a sentence.

"كل الثناء يعود إلى علياء على عملها الممتاز."
Pronunciation:
Kul ath-thanaa' ya'ud ila 'Aliaa 'ala 'amalihā al-mumtāz.

TenQ:
We still need to ask you sir
Abdul-LAH (the father of your prophet)
Bisimi-LAH (praise be to LAH)
Alhamdu li-LAH (Praise be to LAH)

Your best argument is just to admit that LAH and ALLAH is the same thing.

Just to tease you as I know that you will hide under Arabic grammar. I have a sentence for you

Arabic Aliah is a name of a person just as Allah is a name of your God. Notice that we did not remove the AL before the name Aliah to make a sentence.

"كل الثناء يعود إلى علياء على عملها الممتاز."
Pronunciation:
Kul ath-thanaa' ya'ud ila 'Aliaa 'ala 'amalihā al-mumtāz.

See great bunkum! Seriously you typed a lot of Holy Spirit dog-shite here! What is this? My best argument is that you are ignrant of Arabic grammer! Even the least of it you don't know!

Is it difficult to understand that the word "Allah" changes when a preposition comes before it?

Okay i think you should learn this simple Arabic Grammar once and for all. Na so Christians dey see Demon where nothing exists!

The Core Concept: Case Endings and Genitive Case
The primary mechanism behind these changes is the system of case endings in Arabic grammar. Arabic nouns have different forms depending on their grammatical function within a sentence. The three main cases are:

1. Nominative Case (الرفع - ar-rafʿ): This is the base form of a noun, typically used for the subject of a sentence. In the examples we've discussed, the original nouns (e.g., Al-Rahman, Al-Kitab) are usually in the nominative case.
2. Accusative Case (النصب - an-nasb): This case is used for the direct object of a verb.
3. Genitive Case (الجر - al-jarr): This case indicates possession, association, or the object of a preposition. This is the case that causes the changes we're observing.

How Prepositions Trigger the Genitive Case
When a noun is preceded by a preposition (like "of," "to," "in," "with," etc.), it automatically shifts into the genitive case. This shift often manifests in a few ways:

Change in Vowel Ending: The most common change is in the final vowel sound of the noun. The nominative case often ends in "-u" (pronounced as "oo", while the genitive case usually ends in "-i" (pronounced as "ee".

Loss of Nunation: Nouns in Arabic can be definite (specific, like "the book" or indefinite (general, like "a book". Indefinite nouns often have a final "-n" sound (called nunation). When a noun is in the genitive case, it often loses this nunation.
Changes to the Definite Article (Al-): The definite article "al-" (الـ), which means "the," might remain unchanged, or it might be assimilated into the following word, depending on the letters.

Examples Revisited:
Let's look at a couple of examples to illustrate these changes:

Original: Al-Kitab (الكتاب) - "The Book" (Nominative)

With Preposition: Kitābullah (كتاب الله) - "The Book of Allah" (Genitive)

Here, the noun Kitab (Book) changes to Kitabullah (Book of Allah) when combined with the name of Allah.
Original: Ar-Rahman (الرحمن) - "The Most Gracious" (Nominative)

With Preposition: Rahmatullah (رحمة الله) - "The mercy of Allah" (Genitive)

Here, the noun Rahman (Gracious) changes to Rahmatullah (Mercy of Allah) when combined with the name of Allah.

Abdullah (عبد الله) - "Servant of Allah"

Explanation: This name is a compound, with "Abd" (servant) in the genitive case because it's "servant of Allah." The "Allah" here is also in the genitive case, showing possession.
Bismillah (بسم الله) - "In the name of Allah"

Explanation: "Bi" (بِـ) is a preposition meaning "in" or "with." "Bismillah" translates to "In the name of Allah." The word "Allah" is in the genitive case because it is the object of the preposition "Bi."
Alhamdulillah (الحمد لله) - "Praise be to Allah"

Explanation: "Al-Hamdu" (الحمد) means "The praise." The preposition "Li" (لِـ) means "to" or "for." "Alhamdulillah" translates to "Praise to Allah." The word "Allah" is in the genitive case because it is the object of the preposition "Li."

Just admit that the Holy spirit failed you this time. Allah is not the same as Lah!

AntiChristian:
See great bunkum! Seriously you typed a lot of Holy Spirit dog-shite here! What is this? My best argument is that you are ignrant of Arabic grammer! Even the least of it you don't know!

Is it difficult to understand that the word "Allah" changes when a preposition comes before it?

Okay i think you should learn this simple Arabic Grammar once and for all. Na so Christians dey see Demon where nothing exists!

The Core Concept: Case Endings and Genitive Case
The primary mechanism behind these changes is the system of case endings in Arabic grammar. Arabic nouns have different forms depending on their grammatical function within a sentence. The three main cases are:

1. Nominative Case (الرفع - ar-rafʿ): This is the base form of a noun, typically used for the subject of a sentence. In the examples we've discussed, the original nouns (e.g., Al-Rahman, Al-Kitab) are usually in the nominative case.
2. Accusative Case (النصب - an-nasb): This case is used for the direct object of a verb.
3. Genitive Case (الجر - al-jarr): This case indicates possession, association, or the object of a preposition. This is the case that causes the changes we're observing.

How Prepositions Trigger the Genitive Case
When a noun is preceded by a preposition (like "of," "to," "in," "with," etc.), it automatically shifts into the genitive case. This shift often manifests in a few ways:

Change in Vowel Ending: The most common change is in the final vowel sound of the noun. The nominative case often ends in "-u" (pronounced as "oo", while the genitive case usually ends in "-i" (pronounced as "ee".

Loss of Nunation: Nouns in Arabic can be definite (specific, like "the book" or indefinite (general, like "a book". Indefinite nouns often have a final "-n" sound (called nunation). When a noun is in the genitive case, it often loses this nunation.
Changes to the Definite Article (Al-): The definite article "al-" (الـ), which means "the," might remain unchanged, or it might be assimilated into the following word, depending on the letters.

Examples Revisited:
Let's look at a couple of examples to illustrate these changes:

Original: Al-Kitab (الكتاب) - "The Book" (Nominative)

With Preposition: Kitābullah (كتاب الله) - "The Book of Allah" (Genitive)

Here, the noun Kitab (Book) changes to Kitabullah (Book of Allah) when combined with the name of Allah.
Original: Ar-Rahman (الرحمن) - "The Most Gracious" (Nominative)

With Preposition: Rahmatullah (رحمة الله) - "The mercy of Allah" (Genitive)

Here, the noun Rahman (Gracious) changes to Rahmatullah (Mercy of Allah) when combined with the name of Allah.

Abdullah (عبد الله) - "Servant of Allah"

Explanation: This name is a compound, with "Abd" (servant) in the genitive case because it's "servant of Allah." The "Allah" here is also in the genitive case, showing possession.
Bismillah (بسم الله) - "In the name of Allah"

Explanation: "Bi" (بِـ) is a preposition meaning "in" or "with." "Bismillah" translates to "In the name of Allah." The word "Allah" is in the genitive case because it is the object of the preposition "Bi."
Alhamdulillah (الحمد لله) - "Praise be to Allah"

Explanation: "Al-Hamdu" (الحمد) means "The praise." The preposition "Li" (لِـ) means "to" or "for." "Alhamdulillah" translates to "Praise to Allah." The word "Allah" is in the genitive case because it is the object of the preposition "Li."

Just admit that the Holy spirit failed you this time. Allah is not the same as Lah!

Repeating the same standard islamic narrative doesn't make it right.
Deliberately I have avoided using AL- as a definite article equivalent to "the"

But since you went there, it makes your case worse
1. Al-LAH will be equivalent to "the"- LAH still making LAH the name of your God
2. This is supported by the naming convention of the daughters of Al-LAH Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat
So, why would Al-LAH be out of place?.
3. Tell me if you know the meaning of Gabriel, Ishmael, Israel?
4. It seems you don't know that depending of the dialect and culture amongst the Arabs, AL-, IL- and EL- are synonyms

honesttalk21:
Incomplete education is worse than illiteracy.

Allah is unique and a word not a compound word Al and lah. No if compounding it will be al - ilah not Allah which isn't a composite of Al and lah in the ksense you speak

So, why do you say

Abdul-LAH (the father of your prophet)
Bisimi-LAH (praise be to LAH)
Alhamdu li-LAH (Praise be to LAH)


This is supported by the naming convention of the daughters of Al-LAH Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat
So, why would Al-LAH be out of place?.




1. Tell me if you know the meaning of Gabriel, Ishmael, Israel?
2. What is the meaning of Allah?
3. Which other prophet called his God by the Name Allah?

TenQ:
A hundred ways to skin a cat!
Are you running away?

Of course. I get work to do!

You raised the issue of the definite article AL- and I helped you to push it. Now, you are complaining and you want to run.

Where did i mentioned ONLY the definite article AL-? Please show me?

What name did Moses call His God?

Allah's name in whatever language Moses spoke.

Again:
1. This is supported by the naming convention of the daughters of Al-LAH Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat
So, why would Al-LAH be out of place?.
2. Tell me if you know the meaning of Gabriel, Ishmael, Israel?
3. It seems you don't know that depending of the dialect and culture amongst the Arabs, AL-, IL- and EL- are synonyms

Go and continue with whoever mentioned AL- with you.

I engaged your lies with Arabic grammar as regards prepositions and genitive case!

1. So, why would Al-LAH be out of place as this is supported by the naming convention of the daughters of Al-LAH Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat
2. Tell me if you know the meaning of Gabriel, Ishmael, Israel?
3. It seems you don't know that depending of the dialect and culture amongst the Arabs, AL-, IL- and EL- are synonyms

The Fear of the Truth is driving you away isn't it?

AntiChristian:
Of course. I get work to do!

Where did i mentioned ONLY the definite article AL-? Please show me?

Allah's name in whatever language Moses spoke.



Go and continue with whoever mentioned AL- with you.

I engaged your lies with Arabic grammar as regards prepositions and genitive case!

So, what was your argument of the definite article AL- with respect to Allah?
Was it a mistake from your side?



Allah's name is in what ever Language Moses spoke!?

Use your left thumb to touch your nose!
You are a person who contours lies with ease.

If Allah 's name is translatable, why don't you Muslims translate it into different languages?

BTW:
Names are not translated BUT pronounced according to the intonation of a tribe and the source from where they acquired the name of the identity.


Again,
What name did Moses call His God?

All I can say is Allah is different from the God of the Israel.

God of Israel known as "Elyon Yahweh" didn't promise 72 virgins for anyone.

Secondly, the preaching of Jesus is quite opposite of Mohammad's preaching which is all about sex and jihad terrorism.

As a matter of fact, Mohammad wasn't sent to the Israelites, considering the Israelites were told that all their prophets would come from the lineage of Israelites (Jakob)! Mohammad wasn't from the lineage of Israelites. Hence, Mohammad wasn't sent to anyone!

Meanwhile, Mohammad had no right to even plagiarize and distort the Jewish history (Jakob and Jakob's descendants) which doesn't concern him in the first place, considering he's not even Jakob's descendant! He had no right to do such. As a matter of fact, Mohammad got the Jewish history narrated to him by his brother in-law Waraqah who was practising Christianity and often preached Christianity to Mohammad who refused to change his criminal ways of stealing other people's things. Waraqah practiced Christianity and never practiced Islam which was founded and practiced by Mohammad who was the first to practice Islam as stated in his Quran 39 v 12 which states that "And I am commanded to be the first of those who submit themselves to Allah (in Islam) as Muslims.”

Mohammad was the first to practice his own Islam. Mohammad then added the Jewish history as narrated to him by his brother in-law Waraqah who was practising Christianity however, Mohammad distorted the Jewish history while he continued with his criminality, Pedophilia and a promise of 72 virgins!

In Arabic, "lāh" is part of the word "Allāh," which is the standard Arabic word for God. It is used by Muslims, Christians, and Jews who speak Arabic. The word is thought to be derived from the Arabic article "al-" and "ʾilāh," meaning "god" or "deity," creating "al-lāh," which translates to "the God".


So while in Hebrew el means God
In Arabic al is used for definite article, meaning the. Allah is the God

gohf:
In Arabic, "lāh" is part of the word "Allāh," which is the standard Arabic word for God. It is used by Muslims, Christians, and Jews who speak Arabic. The word is thought to be derived from the Arabic article "al-" and "ʾilāh," meaning "god" or "deity," creating "al-lāh," which translates to "the God".


So while in Hebrew el means God
In Arabic al is used for definite article, meaning the. Allah is the God

I wish it was true that AL- or El- is solely the definite article BUT it isn't. Modern Semitic languages now use it either as a definite article equivalent to "the" in English but as a sign of RESPECT.

El- or Al- or Il means God or Deity in the Old Semitic Languages

So,
Al-LAH would mean God-LAH
Al-Manat would mean God-Manat
Al-Uzah would mean God-Uzah
Al-Lat would mean God-Lat




If you doubt this, I respectfully ask you to tell me the meaning of the following names.
Ishma-el or Isma-il
Gabri-el or Jubra-il
Isra-el or Isra-il


Just be truthful to yourself!
Peace!

TenQ:
So, why do you say

Abdul-LAH (the father of your prophet)
Bisimi-LAH (praise be to LAH)
Alhamdu li-LAH (Praise be to LAH)


This is supported by the naming convention of the daughters of Al-LAH Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat
So, why would Al-LAH be out of place?.




1. Tell me if you know the meaning of Gabriel, Ishmael, Israel?
2. What is the meaning of Allah?
3. Which other prophet called his God by the Name Allah?

The cut and join Arabic interpretation can never help you

gohf:
In Arabic, "lāh" is part of the word "Allāh," which is the standard Arabic word for God. It is used by Muslims, Christians, and Jews who speak Arabic. The word is thought to be derived from the Arabic article "al-" and "ʾilāh," meaning "god" or "deity," creating "al-lāh," which translates to "the God".


So while in Hebrew el means God
In Arabic al is used for definite article, meaning the. Allah is the God

You use Hebrew to interpret Arabic? Now that is genius in reverse isn't it?

The term Al-ilah (ٱلْإِلَٰه) translates to "the god" in Arabic.

Breaking it down:
"Ilah" (إِلَٰه) means god or deity, while "Al-" serves as the definite article "the."

So, when you put it all together, "al-ilah" means "the god."

On the other hand, "Allah" (الله) is the specific name for the One Supreme God in Islam. It's not just a general term for "god"; it's the unique name for the singular, transcendent deity.


(ٱلْإِلَٰه) Is different from (الله) so your theory is totally opposite to smart.

honesttalk21:
You use Hebrew to interpret Arabic? Now that is genius in reverse isn't it?

The term Al-ilah (ٱلْإِلَٰه) translates to "the god" in Arabic.

Breaking it down:
"Ilah" (إِلَٰه) means god or deity, while "Al-" serves as the definite article "the."

So, when you put it all together, "al-ilah" means "the god."

On the other hand, "Allah" (الله) is the specific name for the One Supreme God in Islam. It's not just a general term for "god"; it's the unique name for the singular, transcendent deity.


(ٱلْإِلَٰه) Is different from (الله) so your theory is totally opposite to smart.

that was from Google AI. Gosh you are something else, do you realize you don't even have a single point that contradicts what I wrote and what's with using Hebrew, is that what you understood there. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

TenQ:
I wish it was true that AL- or El- is solely the definite article BUT it isn't. Modern Semitic languages now use it either as a definite article equivalent to "the" in English but as a sign of RESPECT.

El- or Al- or Il means God or Deity in the Old Semitic Languages

So,
Al-LAH would mean God-LAH
Al-Manat would mean God-Manat
Al-Uzah would mean God-Uzah
Al-Lat would mean God-Lat




If you doubt this, I respectfully ask you to tell me the meaning of the following names.
Ishma-el or Isma-il
Gabri-el or Jubra-il
Isra-el or Isra-il


Just be truthful to yourself!
Peace!

what is simple written there is that in Arabic al means THE

But in Hebrew el means GOD

Hebrew and Arabic are two different languages

So if you are saying that the Arabic form of El is il, is still agrees with what AI showed that ilah is God and al is the, making Allah to mean the God.

Now: In Arabic, "al-" is the definite article, meaning "the." When combined with "ilah" (meaning "god", it forms "al-ilah," which is the source of the word "Allah." So, while "al-" doesn't mean "God" on its own, it plays a crucial role in forming the Arabic word for God, which is "Allah," meaning "The God".

Maybe some use Al as a shorten form of Allah, 🤷🏾‍♂️, but names like Alisha, Aliyah even Ali doesn't mean my God like how Eli means my God in Hebrew.

Allah isn't even an Arabic form of Elohim, because they mean different things, for instance Elohim is the commonly used term which can singular as eloah and in Hebrew ah, ha (hey) is used to state a definite term, the.


I may not know Arabic as you do but I can tell you a bit about Hebrew. What I wrote here about Arabic is from Google.

honesttalk21:
The cut and join Arabic interpretation can never help you

Why don't you speak the truth to yourself once and answer my questions.


I wish it was true that AL- or El- is solely the definite article BUT it isn't. Modern Semitic languages now use it either as a definite article equivalent to "the" in English but as a sign of RESPECT.

El- or Al- or Il means God or Deity in the Old Semitic Languages

So,
Al-LAH would mean God-LAH
Al-Manat would mean God-Manat
Al-Uzah would mean God-Uzah
Al-Lat would mean God-Lat




If you doubt this, I respectfully ask you to tell me the meaning of the following names.
Ishma-el or Isma-il
Gabri-el or Jubra-il
Isra-el or Isra-il


Just be truthful to yourself!
Peace!

honesttalk21:
You use Hebrew to interpret Arabic? Now that is genius in reverse isn't it?

The term Al-ilah (ٱلْإِلَٰه) translates to "the god" in Arabic.

Breaking it down:
"Ilah" (إِلَٰه) means god or deity, while "Al-" serves as the definite article "the."

So, when you put it all together, "al-ilah" means "the god."

On the other hand, "Allah" (الله) is the specific name for the One Supreme God in Islam. It's not just a general term for "god"; it's the unique name for the singular, transcendent deity.


(ٱلْإِلَٰه) Is different from (الله) so your theory is totally opposite to smart.

It seems you don't know that Aramaic language is much older than and influences greatly both Arabic and Hebrew?

I am not using Hebrew to interpret Arabic o

This was why I asked you to tell me the meaning of Isra-el, Ishma-el and Gabri-el. Those are ancient Aramaic names



Your argument still bore down to
Either ,
1. Allah is NOT the name of your God as it is just a title AL-illa
OR
2. The name of your God is NOT Allah but illah or LaH

either way, it is a problem.



Do you know any prophet that called his God by the name (not title) ALLAH?

gohf:
what is simple written there is that in Arabic al means THE

But in Hebrew el means GOD

Hebrew and Arabic are two different languages

So if you are saying that the Arabic form of El is il, is still agrees with what AI showed that ilah is God and al is the, making Allah to mean the God.

Now: In Arabic, "al-" is the definite article, meaning "the." When combined with "ilah" (meaning "god", it forms "al-ilah," which is the source of the word "Allah." So, while "al-" doesn't mean "God" on its own, it plays a crucial role in forming the Arabic word for God, which is "Allah," meaning "The God".

Maybe some use Al as a shorten form of Allah, 🤷🏾‍♂️, but names like Alisha, Aliyah even Ali doesn't mean my God like how Eli means my God in Hebrew.

Allah isn't even an Arabic form of Elohim, because they mean different things, for instance Elohim is the commonly used term which can singular as eloah and in Hebrew ah, ha (hey) is used to state a definite term, the.


I may not know Arabic as you do but I can tell you a bit about Hebrew. What I wrote here about Arabic is from Google.

The use of El-, Al- or IL- for God or Deity is very old and it is from the Aramaic sources as it influences both Hebrew and Arabic languages deeply.

Languages change with time, like
Gay used to mean Happy, but now it means an homosexual man.


Same with El- or Al- or IL-: which used to mean God or Deity BUT later became the definite Article similar to "the" in English.

You can confirm this with AI Chatbot and let me know.

TenQ:
The use of El-, Al- or IL- for God or Deity is very old and it is from the Aramaic sources as it influences both Hebrew and Arabic languages deeply.

Languages change with time, like
Gay used to mean Happy, but now it means an homosexual man.


Same with El- or Al- or IL-: which used to mean God or Deity BUT later became the definite Article similar to "the" in English.

You can confirm this with AI Chatbot and let me know.

you're using a previous definition? Imagine if I ask you, oh are you gay because of what happened?

gohf:
you're using a previous definition? Imagine if I ask you, oh are you gay because of what happened?

Have you checked AI for what I wrote?
Languages retain a lot of borrowed words which point to the sources of those words ORIGINALLY before the language morphs.

Ask any Muslim:
What is the name of the creator, they would say Allah!
Ask what is the meaning of Allah?
No Muslim knows the meaning.

The Word "God" in English Language was influenced by the German word "Gott" .
persona" via French)
English word "Common" from Latin "communis"
English word "Frequently" from Latin "frequentare"
English word "War" (from Old French "werre"

Should we throw off history because the meaning of words have changed?

What we do is to acknowledge them!


It is bad for Muslims because the Religion of Adam, Lot, Abraham, Ishmael and Jacob when NEITHER Hebrew NOR Arabic existed is ISLAM and the name of their God is ALLAH.
Thus, we can trace the name of Allah back to the Aramaic sources.
Do you agree with this?

TenQ:
Have you checked AI for what I wrote?
Languages retain a lot of borrowed words which point to the sources of those words ORIGINALLY before the language morphs.

Ask any Muslim:
What is the name of the creator, they would say Allah!
Ask what is the meaning of Allah?
No Muslim knows the meaning.

The Word "God" in English Language was influenced by the German word "Gott" .
persona" via French)
English word "Common" from Latin "communis"
English word "Frequently" from Latin "frequentare"
English word "War" (from Old French "werre"

Should we throw off history because the meaning of words have changed?

What we do is to acknowledge them!


It is bad for Muslims because the Religion of Adam, Lot, Abraham, Ishmael and Jacob when NEITHER Hebrew NOR Arabic existed is ISLAM and the name of their God is ALLAH.
Thus, we can trace the name of Allah back to the Aramaic sources.
Do you agree with this?

ya I know Allah isn't a name, I have stated that in a post is "Hubal Allah"? Allah seems to refer to a specific deity, why they take it has his name and reject YHVH even though they claim they serve the same God as Israel, we have seen them flatter a number of times.

As much as words can be gotten from other languages, Aramaic is not the source of Arabic combination that produced Allah, they may have turned Aramaic elaha to ilah in Arabic. Even the Aramaic original text doesn't use aleph and lamed El or Al to mean the or a definitive article.

It's like oke in igbo and in Yoruba having two different meaning even though they have similar spelling.

I now checked Google to confirm my understanding of Aramaic

No, the definite article "al-" in Arabic is not directly derived from Aramaic, though both languages are Semitic and share some similarities.