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CreativeOrbit:
Thank you for your reply. However, your response suffers from false equivalence, selective framing, and a misunderstanding of the scale and nature of the conflict.

1. Russia’s Alleged “Support” Is Not Comparable to NATO’s Backing of Ukraine

You mentioned alleged support to Russia from countries like Iran, North Korea, and China. Let’s be precise:

Iran’s drone supply is real but limited to specific types of tactical weaponry like Shahed drones—low-cost, expendable assets, not a strategic game-changer.

North Korea’s involvement is largely speculative. Claims of supplying artillery shells and possibly laborers or advisors are not comparable to NATO's real-time battlefield intelligence, satellite data, cyber support, and state-of-the-art weapons.

China, while economically significant to Russia, has avoided direct military support to prevent sanctions and geopolitical backlash. It sells dual-use goods, not tanks or advanced missile systems.

Now compare that to Ukraine’s backing:

Over $250+ billion in aid from NATO and EU countries.

Continuous supplies of long-range missile systems (HIMARS), Patriot air defense, Leopard tanks, Bradleys, and F-16 fighter jets (soon to arrive).

NATO-grade training, surveillance, logistics, and battlefield coordination.

This is not a symmetrical support structure. You're comparing a few countries’ marginal support to a full-scale, institutionalized, multi-nation military alliance backing Ukraine with near-unlimited funding and intelligence.

2. Russia Is a Sovereign Power, Ukraine Is a Proxy Warzone

Russia is the initiating state power. Ukraine is the battlefield—and its survival is contingent on foreign lifelines. Without Western support, the Ukrainian military would collapse. That’s not conjecture; it’s admitted openly by U.S. and European officials.

By contrast, Russia is not dependent on any one foreign supplier for its military survival. Its defense industry, while strained, is domestic. It has nuclear capabilities, one of the largest standing armies, and is self-sufficient in energy and raw materials.

3. Allegations of “African Gold” Payments Are a Distraction, Not a Counterpoint

Even if we accept the claim of “African gold” being used by Russia to pay for weapons (which remains largely anecdotal and based on unverified leaks), it doesn’t prove your case. Illicit financial flows or backchannel trade do not equate to formal, institutional, legal military alliances like NATO.

> The core issue remains: Russia is fighting a NATO-armed proxy, not just Ukraine as a standalone actor. This fundamentally changes the dynamics, prolongs the conflict, and complicates any assumptions about military capability.

4. Conclusion: Your Argument Lacks Proportionality and Context

Yes, Russia receives limited support. But equating that with the structured, sustained, and coordinated NATO military campaign on Ukrainian soil is misleading.

The West has turned Ukraine into a frontline buffer against Russia—politically, economically, and militarily. The comparison between Russia’s allies and NATO's involvement simply doesn’t hold.

Let’s not pretend this is a symmetrical battlefield. It’s not.

obedience4:
That has to be dumb*et analysis I have read in a while.

CreativeOrbit:
Your attempt to shift the conversation from modern Israeli war crimes to cherry-picked eschatological hadiths reveals both desperation and ignorance. Let me respond to your deflection with the clarity and harshness it deserves.

1. Quoting Hadiths to Justify Zionist Colonialism? Pathetic.

You cite eschatological hadiths—about end-times scenarios—not normative Islamic commands for today. These hadiths are prophecies, not policies. They describe what will happen, not what Muslims are commanded to do now. There is a fundamental difference between descriptive prophecy and prescriptive ethics.

> Try again when you understand basic hermeneutics.

Meanwhile, what is prescriptive in Islam is the prohibition of oppression, the defense of the oppressed, and the right to resist tyranny. And if you’re seriously quoting hadith while supporting a regime that bombs hospitals and starves children, then congratulations—you’ve weaponized Islamic scripture to sanitize genocide.

2. “Jews and Arabs coexisted peacefully before 1948”?

You're right—and that coexistence ended the moment Zionist militias began ethnically cleansing Palestine in 1947–48. It was Zionism, not Islam, that tore apart peaceful Jewish-Arab relations. The Nakba didn’t happen because of religion. It happened because armed settlers, backed by imperial powers, began forcibly displacing an indigenous population for the sake of creating an ethno-state.

> Nearly 800,000 Palestinians were expelled. Over 500 villages were destroyed. And you dare talk about “coexistence”?

3. Zionist Regime Expelled Jews from Gaza in 2005? Yes — Because It’s a Racist State.

The “ethnic Palestinian Jews” you claim were “forced out” of Gaza in 2005 were not natives. They were illegal settlers living on stolen land under military protection while Palestinians were caged in ghettos.

And who forced them out? The Israeli government—not Palestinians. Why? Because Israel wanted to consolidate control of the West Bank and maintain the siege on Gaza from the outside while pretending to "disengage."

> That wasn’t coexistence ending—it was Zionist strategy evolving.

If Israel expelled its own settlers, that’s not evidence of peace-loving Zionism—it’s evidence of manipulative statecraft using people as pawns in a larger colonial project.

4. Citing Hadith While Supporting an Apartheid State? Laughable.

If you're going to quote Islamic texts, then be consistent. Here’s a few principles you conveniently ignore:

“Do not kill women or children or the elderly or sick.”

“Do not destroy trees or crops or buildings.”

“Do not betray, mutilate, or act unjustly.”

These are prophetic commands to Muslims even in war. Yet Israel bombs entire families, flattens hospitals, blocks food and water, and then whines about resistance.

> Where’s your outrage for the babies burned alive in incubators because Israel cut electricity?

> Where’s your morality when white phosphorus rains down on UN shelters?

Your silence on those crimes makes your hadith quotes nothing but hollow hypocrisy.

5. Don’t Pretend You Care About Jews — You’re Just Using Them.

Let’s be clear: your concern isn’t for Jews. It’s for deflecting criticism from a colonial state that uses Jewish identity as a human shield. Israel doesn’t represent world Jewry—it represents a political ideology called Zionism. And many Jews—Orthodox, secular, even Holocaust survivors—oppose it.

You bring up hadiths as if Islam mandates genocide. Meanwhile, Israel is actually carrying out real-world genocide right now—live on camera, with American weapons, and your full-throated support.

6. Final Reality Check:

You think quoting hadiths will morally disarm Muslims?

You think we will ignore:

The starvation of 2 million people?

The slaughter of over 15,000 children in Gaza?

The theft of land, the bulldozing of homes, the arrests of teenagers, the shooting of journalists and medics?

> Islam does not teach pacifism in the face of oppression.
It teaches resistance, dignity, and justice.
And Palestine is the test of our moral clarity.

So no—we will not be distracted by your weak theological smokescreens.

Until Zionism ends, occupation ends, and the siege ends,

Resistance is not terrorism—it is the language of the besieged.

And quoting hadiths won’t save a regime whose hands drip with innocent blood.

seunny4lif:
You think if Iran have displayed the nukes few years ago when Hezb and co were still available, during their peak.

Iran supposed to know that they don’t have allies in that region. Gulf nations wants nothing more than Iran to fall due Iranian government never liked all those monarchies

See where those generals were living, penthouses, when your enemy gave hint of incoming attack.

This is Shia vs everyone else in that region

Gbadebo19:
A new wave of Israeli airstrikes is already underway
Israeli aircraft struck the Iranian Air Force’s Tabriz Airbase, with a massive plume of smoke seen rising over the area.

The base is home to a mix of Iranian MiG-29s and F-5s from the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd tactical fighter squadrons.

Gbadebo19:
Renewed Israeli airstrikes are also reported in Shiraz, southern Iran

Raynald:
I was having a busy morning,just saw this
Iran is weak
How the hell did Russia become allies with such weak shit
Why Putin fall my head like this
You working on Attack but your defense is poor
High ranking Generals killed like pigs

basilico:
Start a thread at the religion section , let's leave this one alone with matters about religion. I dare you.

basilico:
It's being reported that IRGC top commanders were in a meeting in an underground bunker when a bomb was dropped on them. At this time number of those present is unknown.

DystopianMuse:
The same Israel wey no dey send US attimes. Them don dey give Iran WOtowoto since yesterday. Trump has no choice than to support. Na Ukraine

Kingsnairaland:
Any one can be killed in today's earth once you are not in your under ground bunker

Jfk was killed trump narrow escape
Biden ran under the bridge while planes fly over

Do you know how many times they have slapped macron in public

Iran should calm down and stop this death to everyone they don't like speech

ISRAEL needs to have peace from those who surround them

Iran should and can provide such arrangements that Israel will be safe

Then both will live side by side with peace

Kingsnairaland:
No bomb can touch real nuclear under ground bunker unless the bunker is not deep enough

Raynald:
Bro just re read what you wrote
Who is the defense system protecting
The highest Military commander in a country killed and you preserving defense for who

Kingsnairaland:
No bomb can touch real nuclear under ground bunker unless the bunker is not deep enough

WritterNg:
⚡Israeli Air Force external fuel tanks are being found across Syria.

DystopianMuse:

They are keeping them till they come for the Ayatollah Cowmany...

DystopianMuse:
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RUSSIA IS THE MOST OVERRATED PIECE OF SHIT MILITARY IN HISTORY

WriterrNg:
⚡Alexander Dugin:

“Iran is very far behind the new geopolitical reality. We basically offered them a close military alliance, but certain forces in Tehran hoped for an agreement with the West. There was also the idea of creating a Russian-Iranian union state. No one in Tehran took it seriously,” the Russian philosopher wrote on his Telegram channel.

Earlier this year, Russia and Iran signed a comprehensive strategic partnership agreement. Unlike a similar treaty signed between Russia and North Korea last year, the Russia-Iran agreement did not include a provision on collective security.

American fuel tankers are refueling Israeli jets over Syria sky freely without interruption. This is why they wanted regime change in Syria. pic.twitter.com/l1W47KhQTJ

— S p r i n t e r (@SprinterPress) June 13, 2025

usmanpogo:
WritterNG Do you see what I mean when I said Iran is on it own ? No one is coming to help them, because no one is obligated to help them.

They had the chance to get security guarantees from Russia, but they didn't.
France just included Poland to its nuclear umbrella or is about to.
I think the Ayatollahs would be death of Iran. The best thing now is to retaliate and call it even, the deal can still be savaged if you can't get nuclear weapons.

The Noble Quran " Die not except in the state of being a Muslim "
That rules out dying stupidly.