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| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dvkot(m): 9:31am On Jun 15, 2025 |
WritterNg:bro chill...dont set iran up, they are not Russia or china. Iran is far from ready that's why their escalation with Israel is always fast, heavy and short lived. Iran military industry is not strong yet, they can't fight and extend war of attrition even if they are solely attacking not to talk of attack and defense at the same time. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 9:31am On Jun 15, 2025 |
seunny4lif:My brother I wanted to ask this question too, even Yemen always attack at night. Like where are they through out the day? giving Israel time to replenish their air defence. I may be wrong but I notice their air defence is only active in the night. Maybe their religious doctrine says they can only attack in the night |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by seunny4lif(m): 9:37am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Alamkiir:I swear Maybe the night attack is to show the world how missiles are running down on Isreali :, because the matter Taya me. Those missiles look beautiful at night or they are afraid that Isreali jets will get the location if they fire immediately during the day. For over 30 years, Iran military have been waiting for this moment, I expect Iran to have at least 1M drones and 1M missiles |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Vic2023: 9:37am On Jun 15, 2025 |
🇮🇷‼️🚨 Iranian liberal women, who don’t cover their hair, demand the atomic bomb now and to close the strait of Hormuz, to choke off oil trade. Israel counted on them to protest and overthrow the government, but turns out if you attack them… they all bind together and want to fight back. Now they want to be able to nuke Israel |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 9:38am On Jun 15, 2025 |
WritterNg:Ha! .... Abeg I can't do this with you this morning |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Vic2023: 9:40am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Alamkiir:they attack in the night just to hide their lunching site, and movement of their lunchers |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Vic2023: 9:43am On Jun 15, 2025 |
🇨🇳 ❓ 🇮🇷 🛫 — Chinese aircraft have been tracked flying over Turkmenistan approaching Iranian airspace before turning off their transponders, presumably delivering military hardware to Iran |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Vic2023: 9:44am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Israeli security and military affairs expert Josi Melman: "Euphoria was short lived. By Friday morning I was wondering: Was it even necessary to enter this war, especially against the Iranians? Shiites are historically ready to endure suffering. I remembered their willingness to sacrifice, as they showed during eight years of exhaustion with Iraq. I advise that we minimize losses and that you reach out to Trump to stop this madness through a reasonable agreement. Otherwise, we will eventually find ourselves begging for a ceasefire, and Iran will refuse.“ |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FXtrader2025: 9:45am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Watcharena:All of them keep on saying the same thing, Iran doesn’t have enough missile Stockpile and their Missiles is going to get exhausted after 10 days. Not acknowledging that Israel doesn’t have abundant Stockpile of interceptors. If You pay close attention, They keep on emphasizing the need for a ‘deal, From Top to Bottom that is from Trump down to their supporters here on NL . Since Israel is winning why the Need for a deal just finish Iran once and for all. I will wash my hands off Iran the moment they decide to Negotiate with the US again. Khameni warn the Stupid President Pezeshkian earlier but the dunce insisted on Negotiations, if you notice Israel is not even concerned about him. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by CreativeOrbit: 9:45am On Jun 15, 2025 |
TenQ:Your response reflects a selective reading of both the Qur’an and the Tafsir, mixed with the common mistake of projecting a modern political ideology onto ancient scripture. Let’s clarify the issues one by one: 1. “The Land was given to the Children of Israel!” Yes, the Qur’an does acknowledge that the Children of Israel were granted a temporary possession of the land. But that grant was neither eternal nor unconditional. The Tafsirs you quoted—Ibn Kathir, Al-Jalalayn, and Ibn Abbas—are not saying what you're claiming. Surah Al-Isra (17:104): > “Dwell in the land, but when the final promise comes to pass, We will bring you forth in groups.” The phrase “We will bring you forth” refers to the Day of Judgment, not to some political restoration or Zionist homeland. Even Ibn Kathir and Jalalayn affirm this refers to the Hereafter, not an earthly entitlement. This verse is not a divine land deed, but part of a warning about resurrection and accountability. And again, nowhere does the Qur’an say this land grant is forever or irrevocable. In fact, the opposite is true: > “That land is for those who fear standing before Me and fear My punishment.” (Qur’an 26:63) > “If you turn away, He will replace you with another people.” (Qur’an 47:38) So in Islamic theology, moral conduct, not lineage, is what determines divine favor—including land stewardship. 2. “Allah never said He withdrew the land!” Wrong again. The Qur’an explicitly says Allah removed favor from the Children of Israel when they violated His covenant: > “But because of their breach of the covenant, We cursed them and made their hearts hard…” (Qur’an 5:13) > “And humiliation and misery were stamped upon them, and they drew upon themselves the wrath of Allah.” (Qur’an 2:61) The Qur’an is clear: divine favor is revocable. Being the "Chosen People" is not a permanent status—it is conditional on obedience. This principle applies to all nations, including Muslims. 3. Tafsir of Surah Al-Fatiha (1:7) – “Those who earned Your anger are the Jews…” This is a traditional interpretation found in Ibn Kathir and some Hadith, yes. But again, it refers to spiritual deviation, not a blanket curse on all Jews for all time. Islam does not teach racial hatred. Jews lived safely under Muslim rule for centuries—in Medina, Andalusia, the Ottoman Empire—unlike in Christian Europe where they were persecuted and expelled. Let’s also be honest: you’ve conveniently left out the many verses where Allah honors the Children of Israel: > “O Children of Israel! Remember My favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you over all nations.” (Qur’an 2:47) The Qur’an does not demonize Jews as a whole. It critiques specific behaviors, just like it critiques Muslim hypocrisy (see Qur’an 63:1–5). 4. “Monkeys and Pigs” – Who are they in the Qur’an? This is another often-misused polemic. Let’s clarify: > “When they transgressed the Sabbath, We said to them, ‘Be apes, despised.’” (Qur’an 7:166) > “And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the Sabbath, and We said to them, ‘Be apes, despised.’” (Qur’an 2:65) > “Those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry, and made of them apes and swine and slaves of false deities…” (Qur’an 5:60) These verses refer to specific historical groups who committed specific violations—in this case, Sabbath-breaking—and were punished symbolically or literally as a sign. Islamic scholars disagree whether this was a literal transformation or a metaphor for moral degeneration. But here’s the key point: The Qur’an never says all Jews are monkeys or pigs. That is a slanderous misrepresentation. Moreover, no verse in the Qur’an equates modern Jews with those transgressors. It is dishonest to stretch these verses into some racial or political blanket judgment. 5. Your Conclusion: “Allah gave the land forever to the Jews” This is your theological projection, not the Qur’an's position. Islam does not affirm eternal ethnic land grants. It affirms that: Land belongs to Allah (Qur’an 7:128), He gives it to whomever He wills, based on righteousness, not race, And favor can be revoked. To use these verses and Tafsirs as support for modern-day colonization, military occupation, and ethnic displacement is to twist divine scripture for political gain. That is not faithfulness to Allah’s word. That is distortion. In Summary: The land grant to the Children of Israel was conditional and historical, not eternal. Tafsir confirms the resurrection, not political return, is what is referenced in 17:104. Punishments in the Qur’an target specific groups, not entire races. Islam condemns injustice and corruption, regardless of the nation or people. The Qur’an cannot be used as a Zionist manifesto—that’s an abuse of divine revelation. If you sincerely want to understand the Qur’an, read it in full context—not just to score political points. Truth demands honesty, not selective citation. Let’s engage with integrity, not propaganda. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 9:47am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Gbadebo19:The way he writes rubbish with so much confidence is alarming. He claims to be knowledgeable, yet constantly displays vast amounts of ignorance on a daily basis.. Who launches jets to counter ballistic missiles?? Not drones but ballistic missiles |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 9:49am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Mikael11 Where's our isreali female pilot oooo? |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 9:49am On Jun 15, 2025 |
seunny4lif:Iran is under 24/7 satellite, drone, and aircraft surveillance. And not to talk of the many spies, mobile phones, and CCTV cameras that Isreal and the US have backdoor access to. So, I will guess that Iran is trying to hide the location of its launch vehicles. They come out at night from secret locations, launch their missiles, and return to base before daybreak. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dvkot(m): 9:50am On Jun 15, 2025 |
As ridiculous as this may sound,iran should offer Trump a nuclear deal to keep them out otherwise crazy nethenyahu will drag America in. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by seunny4lif(m): 9:54am On Jun 15, 2025 |
shoodboi2:That’s right and same reason Yemen send their package at night too |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by amadivv: 9:57am On Jun 15, 2025 |
dvkot:. This makes sense You're right on this one.But I think at the end they will still make a deal in respective of this conflict outcome. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 9:58am On Jun 15, 2025*. Modified: 10:30am On Jun 15, 2025 |
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| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 9:59am On Jun 15, 2025 |
dvkot:The problem is not Iran. The problem is US and Israel. Trump doesn't want a deal. Even the Israeli propaganda machine, the Times of Israel, confirmed the whole "deal" thing was part of a disinformation and stalling campaign that Trump and Israel used to trick Iran into thinking Israel wasn't going to attack. Trump knew Israel was going to attack. And he went on to provide lots of arms to them all while making Iran think they were going to have a deal. On top of that, remember that they had a deal and Trump pulled out of it unanimously. And while negotiating a new deal, which Trump and Israel stalled, Iran confirmed it will even allow US nuclear inspectors to its nuclear sites if the US agreed to a deal. So, it is not iran that refused a deal here. It is the US that refused a deal. And let us not forget that Israel killed Iran's negotiators on the first day of the war. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by CreativeOrbit: 10:01am On Jun 15, 2025 |
basilico:Your response is riddled with historical amnesia, ideological arrogance, and tired talking points that collapse under scrutiny. So let’s dismantle your claims one by one—logically, but without sugarcoating. 1. "Jews were dhimmis like ISIS victims?" Equating centuries of Jewish life under Islamic rule—where Jews were protected as Ahl al-Kitab (People of the Book)—with ISIS atrocities is not only dishonest but insulting to historical fact. Jews thrived under Muslim governance in Andalusia, Baghdad, Cairo, Istanbul, and even Ottoman Palestine—long before Israel existed. They were scholars, merchants, ministers—not victims. ISIS, a fringe terrorist group, is universally condemned by Muslims, whereas Israel is a state actor engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing and military occupation. False equivalence doesn't excuse modern-day apartheid. 2. "Pogroms before 1948 prove Muslim Jew-hatred?" Pogroms happened not because Jews were Jews, but because Zionist militias were already executing colonial land grabs and ethnic cleansing before 1948. The Deir Yassin massacre, Plan Dalet, and the Nakba didn't begin after war broke out—they started the war. And even if we assume historical grievances—how do massacres of Palestinians today become justifiable? Do children in Gaza deserve to die because of what someone did in 1929? You don’t get to cite past conflict as a license for permanent domination. 3. "Palestinians don’t care about land—they want Jews out." Let’s be clear: Palestinians are not fighting Jews. They are resisting a settler-colonial project. The Zionist movement wasn’t a peaceful call for coexistence—it was an explicit plan to create a Jewish-majority state by removing the native population. Ben-Gurion himself admitted it: “We must expel the Arabs and take their place.” And yet even now, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran have all made geopolitical—not religious—arguments: end the occupation, lift the siege, dismantle apartheid, and there will be no need for resistance. 4. "Iran’s fatwa is just a lie?" That’s rich, coming from someone defending a state whose founding myths are built on biblical claims and racial exclusivity. Iran’s Supreme Leader issued a binding legal ruling (fatwa) prohibiting nuclear weapons—not for Western approval, but as a religious and ethical stance. Meanwhile, Israel won’t even admit it has nukes, won’t sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and hides behind U.S. vetoes while screaming victimhood. You say Iran lies—where’s Israel’s honesty? Why won’t it open its Dimona facility to international inspection? 5. "Palestinian citizens of Israel support Iran’s bombing?" Do you hear yourself? You’re blaming Palestinian victims of state-sanctioned racism for resenting the state that degrades them daily. These are people whose villages were erased, whose homes are demolished, whose citizenship is second-class—if they cheer when the boot slips, maybe it’s because they’re under it. But again, this is your game: portray victims as savages so that your chosen state can keep killing without guilt. 6. "You know where to get me if you want to understand the Middle East." Let’s be honest—you don’t understand the Middle East. You parrot colonial talking points, twist facts, and filter everything through religious bias. You can’t explain why millions still live in refugee camps, why settlements expand illegally every day, or why Israeli ministers openly call for genocide—because facing that truth would destroy your narrative. Final Word: The Middle East is not in turmoil because of Islam or Arabs. It is in turmoil because of: Western-imposed borders, military interventions, oil-thirsty alliances, and an apartheid regime that is allowed to defy international law with impunity. You want to speak about peace? Then start by denouncing occupation, settler colonialism, and state terrorism—not by gaslighting the oppressed and glorifying the oppressor. Justice is not achieved by lies, and peace is not built on supremacy. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by seunny4lif(m): 10:02am On Jun 15, 2025 |
This war will be a long war. No matter the outcome, Iran and Isreali do not want to look weak. Iran need to hit Isreali gas and oil like Isreali is doing Iran At the end of this war, Iran either get the supreme leader out of power and build their own nuclear arsenal or they will fall At least Russia and Gulf countries will be smiling to bank as oil and Gas prices skyrocket. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dvkot(m): 10:06am On Jun 15, 2025 |
amadivv:yea...that may also affect the negotiations outcome too |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ricchmoen: 10:07am On Jun 15, 2025 |
seunny4lif:Russian smiling to the bank would be Zelensky nightmare 😂😂 Imagine trying to cripple ur enemy economy only for ur ally to aid them 😭 |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by amadivv: 10:07am On Jun 15, 2025 |
shoodboi2:. I see where you are coming from, but actually trump said their first deal was unfavorable and was expecting Iran to make a more favourable one |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dvkot(m): 10:08am On Jun 15, 2025 |
shoodboi2:somehow i don't think Trump wants a war with iran even if US will provide defense and offensive weapons to Israel it won't take part in it because such war would piss the Saudis and the whole $3Trillon deal may fizzle out |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ricchmoen: 10:09am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Fash20:well we can't tell for sure I feel iran is pulling some punches see that they are using old missile and slow drones as a starter |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 10:14am On Jun 15, 2025 |
dvkot:America won't be dragged in. Americans at home are watching. The resentment most Americans have for Israel and its lobby groups especially the AIPAC lately is evident all over social media. They are tired of America fighting Israel's wars and wasting tax payers money defending Israel. The protests and disorderliness that American intervention in this war will cause will be worse than what American society experienced during the Vietnam war. Trump and his hawks know this. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by seunny4lif(m): 10:14am On Jun 15, 2025 |
Ricchmoen:Tehran has evidence that the US and its bases in the Middle East helped Israel in the attack on Iran - Iranian Foreign Minister Araghchi Meanwhile The Russian Armed Forces have entered the settlement of Malaya Korchakovka in the Sumy region and multiple airstrikes were carried out against Ukraine |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 10:17am On Jun 15, 2025 |
amadivv:Trump will always have an excuse to scuttle the deal. His case is that like that of the proverbial wolf that accused the small lamb on doing all sorts of things just to have justification for attacking and eating the lamb. We do not know the specific details of the first deal, but we do know that Iran did not build a nuke while the deal was on and refused to build one even after the US left the deal. I believe that's the whole point of having a "I will not build a nuclear weapon" deal. The whole thing is just Israel and the US seeking a casus belli to attack Iran. They likely expected Iran to build a nuke after they canceled the deal and then use that as justification to attack Iran, but Iran didn't. But they then decided to go on to attack Iran anyway. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 10:19am On Jun 15, 2025 |
dvkot:Yep. He doesn't want a hot war where he has to put boots on the ground or having aircrafts in the air 24/7. But he wouldn't mind having a weakened Iran that Israel can bomb at will under the most frivolous excuses. He won't mind Israel giving Tehran the "Gaza treatment" either. That's all fair to him. |
| Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FoolishBoy419: 10:31am On Jun 15, 2025 |
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