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Lamasta:
Do you know who Deborah and Esther is in the bible at all

Did they serve as PRIESTS/HIGHPRIEST inside the Tabernacle or Temple?

Well i am not many of those that miscontrue the scripture but most times we need to pray for understanding so that we wont misunderstanding many part of the scripture, Keeping silent does not mean that woman should not speak at all but there are limits to what they can do and where they can reach inside the church. But now everything have changed

MaxInDHouse:
Many don't believe any of these things they just want to misconstrue whatever is written so that those putting faith in the Bible may not reach a unanimous conclusion!

alfredfrddy:
That a woman prophesies doesn't in any way make her a priest or a pastor, does it?

Based on the scripture cited of which you are responding to,your question can be reversed this way......

That a man prophesies doesn't in any way make her a priest or a pastor, does it?

How do you plead?

Hushpuppy20:
Well i am not many of those that miscontrue the scripture but most times we need to pray for understanding so that we wont misunderstanding many part of the scripture, Keeping silent does not mean that woman should not speak at all but there are limits to what they can do and where they can reach inside the church. But now everything have changed

Nothing changed!
There is just one Christians organization while the rest are fake so if anyone wants to know we will show him how to IDENTIFY Jesus' true church among these false religions claiming Christians!

I think most people here are mixing up service with headship. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit prophesied in Joel 2:28 is for both males and females (married & unmarried).

As such, a woman can preach in and out of the church, win souls, and even contribute in other ways as empowered by God.

However, when it comes to leadership, biblically, men should lead. The case of Deborah often cited as leading was an aberration; it was a permissive will NOT the perfect will of God. Had Israel walked in the ways of Jehovah, the circumstances that led to the emergence of Deborah wouldn't have ensued.

Women are valuable to God, and they shouldn't feel inferior. It's just that in the plan of God, their roles are supportive NOT being the arrowhead or 'main strikers.'

Ok, but in my church i have never seen a female pastor (CAC) but there are alot of active female members that are pushing and doing the work of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Nothing changed!
There is just one Christians organization while the rest are fake so if anyone wants to know we will show him how to IDENTIFY Jesus' true church among these false religions claiming Christians!

dedecoder:
I think most people here are mixing up service with headship. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit prophesied in Joel 2:28 is for both males and females (married & unmarried).

As such, a woman can preach in and out of the church, win souls, and even contribute in other ways as empowered by God.

However, when it comes to leadership, biblically, men should lead. The case of Deborah often cited as leading was an aberration; it was a permissive will NOT the perfect will of God. Had Israel walked in the ways of Jehovah, the circumstances that led to the emergence of Deborah wouldn't have ensued.

Women are valuable to God, and they shouldn't feel inferior. It's just that in the plan of God, their roles are supportive NOT being the arrowhead or 'main strikers.'

Deborah led Israel to war as a prophet or God's messenger to direct them not inside the temple/tabernacle for worship!

ferhyntorlah:
GOD BLESS YOU greatly sir.

Finally, someone that sees things from my view point.

Thank GOD Paul didn't marry if not, his wife would have seen shege promax!

PS: not a fan of Paul. Peter was much better.

You see the problem is not Paul. The problem is many developing legalisms and regimented Paul's teaching to advance their agenda.

Paul came from a legalistic background and his words are most of the time taken as laws of which they are not laws.


The Peter you talked about and loved even stated...

So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction

Hushpuppy20:
Ok, but in my church i have never seen a female pastor (CAC) but there are alot of active female members that are pushing and doing the work of God.

That's exactly what Paul is saying not that they can't assist where we need them but not to head the church!

Hushpuppy20:
Not keep silent as you think, you need to think deep about scriptures and pray for the understanding.

Oh, it is now not keep silent as I think and I need to think deep about scriptures and pray for understanding. When the thinking and prayers for understanding says nothing wrong with women doing the work of a pastor like their men counterpart you will tell me the thinking and understanding is faulty.

Exactly, that is what am insinuating but if say this to alot of Gen z they will not only abuse you they will want to beat you sef

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what Paul is saying not that they can't assist where we need them but not to head the church!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they served God along with their male contemporaries.
What we are saying is taking the lead in worship not that no woman has ever served the true God before.
So can you remember the name of any female priest or Highpriest in ancient Israel?
Can you mention one female apostle in the midst of Jesus' chosen twelve?

That's what we are saying!

Priscilla was a leader in the church and one of the people that mentored paul

Whao, are you angry bro? I don't understand you.

achorladey:
Oh, it is now not keep silent as I think and I need to think deep about scriptures and pray for understanding. When the thinking and prayers for understanding says nothing wrong with women doing the work of a pastor like their men counterpart you will tell me the thinking and understanding is faulty.

Hushpuppy20:
Whao, are you angry bro? I don't understand you.

Na you see anger. I don't know where the anger is coming from. How you be lost within your own point or debate ehn?

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what Paul is saying not that they can't assist where we need them but not to head the church!

This one still spinning scriptures

head the church!

Your Bible tells you Jesus is the head of his church. Stop manipulating the scriptures. Only one is your leader all you are brothers. Women not included abi?

Hushpuppy20:
Exactly, that is what am insinuating but if say this to alot of Gen z they will not only abuse you they will want to beat you sef

It's not a matter of argument {Titus 3:9} it's clear that in ancient Israel worship is different from judging matters as king.

The Tabernacle or Temple is where those assigned to head the people in worship stays and no females is found officiating there.
In our spiritual temple Jesus is our Highpriest and he never chose a single female to serve as apostle.
Note that in the first century the apostles and older men were serving as a Governing Body for the entire Christians back then and no single female among them! Act 15:2

That is what Paul is saying not that he fabricated this all by himself!

Mutaino7:
Priscilla was a leader in the church and one of the people that mentored paul

Priscilla was with her husband Aquila {Act 18:2} as the wife of an older man in the Christian congregation she will also assist her husband in caring for Paul nah not that she will lead in worship o!

Hushpuppy20:
Whao, are you angry bro? I don't understand you.

That's why i don't respond to faithless people who just want to argue aimlessly.
I noticed how you quickly mentioned the name of your church (C.A.C) to prove your church is practicing what you are saying.
Many don't attend any church yet they just feel like arguing aimlessly.

Osino Umbilical Like umbilical cord?

quote author=Kavod post=135754740]
ITS NOT A MATTER OF HEAVEN GET LOOSE OR NOT ITS UMBILICAL, IF YOU SAY YOU REALLY WANT TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE WHICH IS YOUR HOLY BOOK THEN ITS UMBILICAL.


PERIOD[/quote]

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i don't respond to faithless people who just want to argue aimlessly.
I noticed how you quickly mentioned the name of your church (C.A.C) to prove your church is practicing what you are saying.
Many don't attend any church yet they just feel like arguing aimlessly.

Wetin full your brains other than peddling faithless people

The hypocrite stated......

I noticed how you quickly mentioned the name of your church (C.A.C) to prove your church is practicing what you are saying

Tell the person you equally know CAC are false Christians and not true Christians like your Jehovah's Witnesses

Many don't attend any church yet they just feel like arguing aimlessly

To read, study and understand the scripture is not by being a card carrying member of a religious organization

I don't quicky mention my church because of this write up this is what i know since i jave been attending the church.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i don't respond to faithless people who just want to argue aimlessly.
I noticed how you quickly mentioned the name of your church (C.A.C) to prove your church is practicing what you are saying.
Many don't attend any church yet they just feel like arguing aimlessly.

achorladey:
You might as well bring back the ten commandment and the mosaic laws regarding cleanliness. Man don't have emission or discharge abi?

That doesn't stop the fact that women are weaker vessels right?

Women aren't allow to pastor a church..but now, na them full church pass the male genders....it's wrong for any woman to step on any pulpit and preach....very wrong to me.....

judewrites:
1 Corinthians 14 (KJV)
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²⁹ Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
³⁰ If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
³¹ For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
³² And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
³³ For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
³⁴ Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
³⁵ And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
³⁶ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
³⁷ If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

I just did a research....

When Paul admonished women not to speak in church, he wasn't speaking against women ordained as pastors. What he was speaking against was the disorderly manner some high status women in the Corinthians church who taught and preached in their services.

Paul wanted these women to correctly submit to church authority in the Corinthian church before handling church leadership.

Paul wasn't referring to women pastoring a church.

The New testament was in Greek, so there are bound to some misinterpreting in English.

Go and re-do that research. I'm 100 percent certain that you got your research from Egalitarian sources which are not but pure lies.

GreatAchiever1:
Go and re-do that research. I'm 100 percent certain that you got your research from Egalitarian sources which are not but pure lies.

This topic is very sensitive and as a result many Christians have different varying opinions on it .

However, in describing ministry gifts, Paul never designated the office of pastor solely to a man. So are the other ministry offices.

Think about it carefully.

Jughead29:
That doesn't stop the fact that women are weaker vessels right?

The outworking of the holy spirit na weaker vessel be im problem.

judewrites:
This topic is very sensitive and as a result many Christians have different varying opinions on it .

However, in describing ministry gifts, Paul never designated the office of pastor solely to a man. So are the other ministry offices.

Think about it carefully.

There’s nothing particularly sensitive about this topic. I’ve previously researched it, examining various perspectives through the lens of Scripture.

The role of elder or pastor, as this topic addresses, is clearly reserved for men according to biblical teaching.

Churches that assign this office to women are in serious error and are acting in disobedience to the authority of God’s Word. The pastoral role is not intended for women, as seen in passages from 1 Corinthians 14 , 1 Timothy 2, and Titus 1, books often referred to as the pastoral epistles.

The introduction of female pastors into the Church is largely a result of modern egalitarian views and secular movements like the push for women's empowerment, which have gradually influenced Christian practice. Historically, up until around the 19th century, the concept of a female pastor was virtually unheard of in the Church.

MaxInDHouse:
Did they serve as PRIESTS/HIGHPRIEST inside the Tabernacle or Temple?

Deborah was a prophetess that led the children of God just like Moses and God used her in that capacity as a leader....

Study the book of Judges 4: 4 - END

There is no discrimination with God when it comes to vessels to use for his work so stop bringing your personal view to God's work

VicM6:
Women aren't allow to pastor a church..but now, na them full church pass the male genders....it's wrong for any woman to step on any pulpit and preach....very wrong to me.....

If God used women to deliver nations like Israel and raised them as Judge and prophetess is it church God cannot use them to pastor??

There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than that of women serving as pastors. As a result, it is important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as pastors and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not a matter of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation.

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, since pastoring definitely includes preaching, teaching publicly, and exercising spiritual authority.

There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11–14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism—therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11–12.

A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8–10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse ? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9–10)? Of course not. Verses 8–10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11–14.

Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry references women in positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people—the church, the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. In verse 18, Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, suggesting to some that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. (The detail of whose name comes first is probably inconsequential, because in verses 2 and 26 the order is reversed from that of verse 18.) Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.

In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.

The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men (1 Timothy 2:14). This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.

Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22–23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18–20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This does not imply men are better teachers or that women are inferior or less intelligent. It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are also to set an example in their lives, but in a different way (1 Peter 3:1-6). Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3–5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This bars women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means; rather, it gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s design.

Lamasta:
Deborah was a prophetess that led the children of God just like Moses and God used her in that capacity as a leader....
Study the book of Judges 4: 4 - END
There is no discrimination with God when it comes to vessels to use for his work so stop bringing your personal view to God's work

Moses is not the Highpriest but Aaron his brother there is a different between a prophet and a priest, priests are those taking the lead in worship while prophets pass direct messages from God to the people.
So a female could serve as prophet but never as a priest that's why Jesus never chose a female to serve as an apostle in the midst of his disciples!

Lamasta:
If God used women to deliver nations like Israel and raised them as Judge and prophetess is it church God cannot use them to pastor??

You don't get it.
A woman may have the heart of a lioness which is the spirit of justice but when talking about leadership during worship God never chose a female!