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ProudlyLagos:
this is the only visible way with long term solution to solve our security challenge. This should be made priority and should be sent to the house as executive bill….. the little success the SW have been able to make was due to the foresight of the SW governors in the establishment of amotekun which has help to reduce the incursion of this blood sucking vipers

100% correct. Let us not forget that PBAT, while Governor, had led by example creating RRS , a form of state policing in all but name, that went on to be responsible for the exemplary security of lives and property Lagos gained a glorious reputation for whereas the opposite had been the case before PBAT.

Tinubu is the man for the job and he must now be supported by all well-meaning and progressive Nigerians to make the changes required to save Nigeria from "vipers" instructed to make every corner of Nigeria their own because of religious and ethnic supremacist brainwashing messages that makes them believe our nation is "their chosen land" to conquer by any means necessary.

We should follow Tinubu and never those dwelling in Dubai, leaving Nigerians on their own when they needed support, or those whose Governship record actually suggest complicity with killings, genocide, organ harvesting for sale racket, etc, etc.



https://successfulsocieties.princeton.edu/publications/remaking-neglected-megacity-civic-transformation-lagos-state-1999-2012

Remaking a Neglected Megacity: A Civic Transformation in Lagos State, 1999-2012


Abstract
Lagos State began the twenty-first century as a boomtown crippled by crime, traffic, blight, and corruption.

A regional economic hub and burgeoning state of 13.4 million people, the megalopolis had a global reputation for government dysfunction.

Two successively elected governors, Bola Tinubu and Babatunde Fashola, worked in tandem to set the state on a new course. Beginning in 1999, their administrations overhauled city governance, raised new revenues, improved security and sanitation, reduced traffic, expanded infrastructure and transit, and attracted global investment.

By following through on their promises to constituents and forging a new civic contract between Lagos and its taxpayers, Tinubu and Fashola laid the foundations of a functional, livable, and sustainable metropolis.

Gabriel Kuris drafted this case study based on interviews conducted by Graeme Blair in Lagos, Nigeria, in August 2009 and by Kuris in Lagos, in October 2011 and in Providence, Rhode Island, in November 2012. Case published July 2014.

Guestmale:
But if the spokesperson say something that is stupid you will take it as the President's position.

See below how this article started, compare to the other screenshot.
You will NEVER see this in any other country, ONLY Nigeria. Very corrupt country. It makes me angry for real.

DarkJeddi:
Which more problems than what we are already facing?
If you think the way the Security architecture in Nigeria is,is the best then you are living under a rock.
Anambra was living under the menace of Unknown Gunmen until the State government constituted a Security Outfit and the difference is clear to the blind.

Ijaya123:
Exactly what I suggested yesterday.

State police is the way forward.

Santalpharay:
I don't think so. Every police officer knows that this is his own state. You don't do anyhow in your home front knowing too well that your actions will boomerang on you. The people are watching.

Host78:
if this current one is working would we be talking about state police? This central system is rubbish already.

Stop this fear of change. It's time we embrace change

ayusco85:
It's not enough to just open your mouth and spew gibberish. pls explain how it will create more problems.

Is it those ones that have gradually started turning themselves into an extortionist outfit shooting innocent people upandan.

I hope your people still remember how Bakassi Boys ended which eventually forced the government to disband them.

Creation of state police will never work in Nigeria because the country is fractionalized along ethnic, tribal and religious lines therefore it will always end in tears!

If for instance you're a Bini man living in Sokoto and you have a disagreement with an indigene of the state.

Once such a matter is taken to the state police the natural thing for them to do would be to support their tribesman therefore it means you cannot get justice in such a setting.

After this you now get to the issue of misuse by sitting governors who will definitely use the state police to hound members of the opposition during election.

It also means that 36 state governors will have licence to import different arms and ammunition at the same time, this is a good recipe for complete chaos

I also hope you people know that most state governments in Nigeria are struggling to pay salaries of their civil servants, you now want to compound that problem by adding the wage bill of state policemen.

We should not try to solve a problem by creating an even bigger problem!

Most of the people supporting creation of state police are ill-informed but when the consequences start everyone who supported it will start denying!

Makes sense

Not enough original content
Please take a moment to write a quality post with at least 40 characters.
This will make the forum more interesting for everyone.

donleo92:
That's the president talking! We honestly need state policing!

That's true Federalism. Very soon, it would be each state, fend for yourself and remit little to the federal government.

If Tinubu will implement True Federalism he'll get my vote in the next election.
I had already planned to vote for himeven without federalism o, but that was because I want him to make Nigerians suffer more

donbrowser:
Show me the award

And what he did to win it please

IG declared Amanra safest state

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenationonlineng.net/ig-declares-anambra-safest-since-five-years/amp

After he has captured all the states, the next state is to approve state police to ensure elections victory.
2 years of slaughtering of innocent lives, and you are barking now because the whole world is now talking.
Hypocrites

CJStarz:
Nice one though the Governors and politicians will just hijack the state police apparatus

It's better the governors hijack it than for us to be experiencing these incessant killings. When you are faced with two evils you chose the lesser one. Let's try state policing too for a different result

YourKarma:
If Tinubu will implement True Federalism he'll get my vote in the next election.
I had already planned to vote for himeven without federalism o, but that was because I want him to make Nigerians suffer more

Very true my brother..

If he does that, he has gotten majority of our vote

In lagos, all the thugs will become state police

donleo92:
That's the president talking! We honestly need state policing!

That's true Federalism. Very soon, it would be each state, fend for yourself and remit little to the federal government.

I am angry that Tinubu is still discussing this topics with the no do well politicians that we have at the state level, he should just go ahead and do it, nothing more, nothing less. Tinubu knows how he freed the Local Government accounts from the evil State Governments, he should just go ahead and do State and Local Government POLICE anyhow he wants to do it.

Baba, we dey your back. Any State Government that likes can be using its own State Police to be trafficking drugs and human, another set of State Governments can be using their own to acquire and distribute arms and ammunition to bandits and terrorists, e no concern anybody. Let every State do as e like for security

DarkJeddi:
The same Tinubu that changed the National Anthem in a jiffy?

The same one that couldn't wait to proscribe fuel subsidy and Forex deregulation.

The same one that has been championing the Tax Reform Bill at a breakneck speed?

Suddenly he's just waken up to the necessity of State Police and the fact that the Legislature are the bottleneck?

He never ready.
When he is, we'll know..

Seems like you did not pay attention to what Ttalk said because you deliberately do not wish to. How many of what you cite require constitutional amendement?

It is a case of you people always shunning objectivity in the desperation to give a Dog you hate a bad name to justify it's lynching.


Look at fuel subsidy removal below. As I am not unobjective like you, it is easy for me to understand and prove it is a decision the executive arm of Government has the right to make.

Can't some of you not try, just so you can be the most winning version of yourself possible , to shun prejudice, sentiments and hatred of others from affecting your reasoning and talk?

APCNig:
I am angry that Tinubu is still discussing this topics with the no do well politicians that we have at the state level, he should just go ahead and do it, nothing more, nothing less. Tinubu knows how he freed the Local Government accounts from the evil State Governments, he should just go ahead and do State and Local Government POLICE anyhow he wants to do it.

Baba, we dey your back. Any State Government that likes can be using its own State Police to be trafficking drugs and human, another set of State Governments can be using their own to acquire and distribute arms and ammunition to bandits and terrorists, e no concern anybody. Let every State do as e like for security

God bless you. If, as an adult leader of a Nigerian State, you misuse the responsibilities vested in you for the delivery of good governance of those who voted you into office, then it should be you and those who cannot hold you accountable alone who should suffer.

Not other Nigerians ready to embrace and do the right things to enjoy optimal security of lives and property along with the socio-economic progress that will deliver.

Your post contains fundamental words of wisdom. We are sick and tired of death and insecurity. Time to insist on the immediate delivery of State or regional policing.

Governors or leaders who abuse police forces under their control should be held responsible by their people.

Enough of a decades-long status quo of good,decent and progressive people and regions, like the SW plus SE and orth central, being held back by those who love terrorism (North) or violent enslavement of their fellow innocent citizens( SE and IPOB) all for the sake of keeping faith with the failures of 'one Nigeria' such as our totally gailed and discredited centralised Police force.

Tinubu himself moved away from that failure, as Governor of Lagos, to birth the definitively successful RRS.

Good and progressive Nigerians must all insist on getting State or regional policing to use such as we wish and for whatever desired result we crave.

CJStarz:
Nice one though the Governors and politicians will just hijack the state police apparatus

This is were the federal government will come in. Federal Police will act like a Military Police to all State Security operatives!

Moreso, any State Government that cannot reign-in the excesses of any Security Outfit under their Command should be ready to welcome State-of-Emmergency.

OredoPikin:
U are voting him for what exactly?
Are u that ign0rant
Same state policing Obi wrote boldly on his manifesto and Tinubu initially back tracked from it
Only to open it after thousands of people have been killed in the past 2yrs

Obi is the best candidate but going it alone (without a coalition) he will not win and I dont intend wasting my vote.

nairalanda1:
Never been optimistic about state police.

Am sure people go abuse me but hear me out.

1. Financing. The thing is, as I know very well, mention taxes, and Nigerians will grumble and grumble. Meanwhile, if we want a state police that must be well funded, I can't see money from 1.8 m barrels per day of crude funding good state police in 36 states. Infact, I know several states that even need more than a state police force...they need tactical units that can fight the rogue herdsmen in the bush . But tell Nigerians taxes, dem go complain

And a lot needs funding...weapons, forensics, colleges of training, advanced police cars, Records, jails, etc etc.

At the end, we would just have a state police looking like the NA of the colonial times...fighting guys who are 70 years ahead in weaponry. Right.

2. Tribalism and religionism.
The reason why the anti igbo pogroms worked before? The police was STATE Police. Regional police. Could not protect the igbos..will not protect them. Yeah and the retaliation in the SE...STATE Police.
Unless there is a law mandating that 40-50 percent of any state police must have non-indigenes in the force, forget about a fair state police. Every state would just be bunkers.

3. Corruption...

anyways everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. But that number 2point you made cannot work if we all are clamouring for decentralisation of power and regional control of power.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. Everyone comes from a state,so therefore no one can know the terrain of the state better than it indigenous people and be more patriotic to his home state.

Celestialsword:
https://dailytrust.com/insecurity-state-police-no-longer-optional-tinubu-demands-constitutional-reforms/

Who will pay those “State police officers” FG or State ? Some states wey dey hardly pay salaries sef.

ProudlyLagos:
anyways everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. But that number 2point you made cannot work if we all are clamouring for decentralisation of power and regional control of power.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. Everyone comes from a state,so therefore no one can know the terrain of the state better than it indigenous people and be more patriotic to his home state.

Yeah, and at the end, if that was the case, people won't be able to get jobs outside their place of birth!

A good policeman, like a good teacher, missionary, doctor, nurse, etc, should be able to know the lay of the land if he or she is living outside their state of origin, in order to work effectively.

I mean, hunderds of Nigerian doctors japa to the UK and US and have been doing so for decades, even over a century!. Like if you were right, they won't even be able to leave their village for training as a doctor!

Your assumption would only work under an assumption all of our police were incompetent...which would end up with a situation where you have total anarchy ten times worse than what we have now.


Modified


If you were even right, the fact is that crime is transnational and trans state. Not all criminals working in a state were born there or are indigenes even. i MEAN, see Lagos. Am sure most of the criminals there are from out of state. How would a police force of only Lagosians work?

If you want to break up NIgeria, go to your senator and house of reps and ask for the laws to be passed. We too dey like talk, no dey do action.

Modified 2

Many missionaries, am sure you are a christian...educated, treated and trained hundreds of thousands of people working in areas they were not indigenous to. If your argument was true, maybe we should have waited for christianity to come when the first indigenous missionary sprouted from the ground and started preaching gospel. Even indigenous missionaries, at some point had to travel to other tribes to do work there. Naturally they took time to know their environemnt.

Thus an IGbo policeman working in Zamfara will be incompetent if he does not take time to know his area. Lord knows how many cops I have met who work outside their home state and know the place they work very well

OceanEye:
Wow. That will be good for people and tackle the security issues. It would also give more power to the governors

Yeah,but there will come a time they will abuse those power bestowed in them.And if they failed to fulfill their obligations to the police they recruited,the same police will abuse the power(weapons) given to them and before you knew it,insecurity getting higher.

Elibaba1:
Who will pay those “State police officers” FG or State ? Some states wey dey hardly pay salaries sef.

This is a very knotty issue.

The security votes they have been squandering should be used for this purpose

nairalanda1:
Yeah, and at the end, if that was the case, people won't be able to get jobs outside their place of birth!

A good policeman, like a good teacher, missionary, doctor, nurse, etc, should be able to know the lay of the land if he or she is living outside their state of origin, in order to work effectively.

I mean, hunderds of Nigerian doctors japa to the UK and US and have been doing so for decades, even over a century!. Like if you were right, they won't even be able to leave their village for training as a doctor!

Your assumption would only work under an assumption all of our police were incompetent...which would end up with a situation where you have total anarchy ten times worse than what we have now.


Modified


If you were even right, the fact is that crime is transnational and trans state. Not all criminals working in a state were born there or are indigenes even. i MEAN, see Lagos. Am sure most of the criminals there are from out of state. How would a police force of only Lagosians work?

If you want to break up NIgeria, go to your senator and house of reps and ask for the laws to be passed. We too dey like talk, no dey do action.

Modified 2

Many missionaries, am sure you are a christian...educated, treated and trained hundreds of thousands of people working in areas they were not indigenous to. If your argument was true, maybe we should have waited for christianity to come when the first indigenous missionary sprouted from the ground and started preaching gospel. Even indigenous missionaries, at some point had to travel to other tribes to do work there. Naturally they took time to know their environemnt.

Thus an IGbo policeman working in Zamfara will be incompetent if he does not take time to know his area. Lord knows how many cops I have met who work outside their home state and know the place they work very well

how is the comparison you made done justice to the system we practice in Nigeria? Or seem to forget we don’t run the same system with the country you mentioned even though we tend to copy some of this stuff from them.

And by the way we talking of a state established govt security agency and not a private organisation such as the hospital and other place you mentioned that are the liberty of employing who they deem fit.

We cant be clamouring for regionalism and on the other hand want to eat your cake and have it. Before you were a Nigerian,you had your own root and identity and also a place you are ancestral to, and one Nigeria doesn’t negate that fact.

As an ibo man which I believe you are, you think you at the disadvantage because you tend to migrate a lot, well I guess this is your chance to develop your region since you all have always clamoured for self governance and I won’t be the one to help you do your work you have always cried to have your own country.

Why not ask your NA reps to legislate for a referendum and let’s take it up from there. I’m sure the suggestion you made will be defaulted in your region, because you lot are too tribalistic to employ anyone outside your region

ProudlyLagos:
how is the comparison you made done justice to the system we practice in Nigeria? Or seem to forget we don’t run the same system with the country you mentioned even though we tend to copy some of this stuff from them.

And by the way we talking of a state established govt security agency and not a private organisation such as the hospital and other place you mentioned that are the liberty of employing who they deem fit.

We cant be clamouring for regionalism and on the other hand want to eat your cake and have it. Before you were a Nigerian,you had your own root and identity and also a place you are ancestral to, and one Nigeria doesn’t negate that fact.

As an ibo man which I believe you are, you think you at the disadvantage because you tend to migrate a lot, well I guess this is your chance to develop your region since you all have always clamoured for self governance and I won’t be the one to help you do your work you have always cried to have your own country.

Why not ask your NA reps to legislate for a referendum and let’s take it up from there. I’m sure the suggestion you made will be defaulted in your region, because you lot are too tribalistic to employ anyone outside your region

You did not read my post, old man, and you just repeated what you said to me, so that means you ain't ready to engage my thoughts.

Good afternoon.

And I like your smile.

Macphenson:
IG declared Amanra safest state

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenationonlineng.net/ig-declares-anambra-safest-since-five-years/amp

Where's the award please my oga?

Elibaba1:
Who will pay those “State police officers” FG or State ? Some states wey dey hardly pay salaries sef.

Open your eyes. PBAT-led FG is paying States 3 to 4 times what they recieved previously in allocation. We now have six regional Commissions the FG allocatrs fund to.

The solution is to simply aggregate State police force under the regional Commissions that covers there geographical location.

We are heading towards more decentralization of power and regional autonomy so it is the right, logical and prudent thing to do.

The FG can support regional Commissions to fund State police by providing them with cash previously used for the Nigerian police force. States too, per their capacity, can pay an agreed monthly amount, into a central pool controlled by respective regional Commissions, towards their State police force. Simple.

The only thing constant in life is change. We need to embrace change - especially if existential threats force this change on us.

Celestialsword:
https://dailytrust.com/insecurity-state-police-no-longer-optional-tinubu-demands-constitutional-reforms/

This is exactly what I indicated yesterday and the day before in my posts. If these politicians led by President 'Bola Ahmed Tinubu and the Federal legislatures know what's good for them, they MUST hit the ground running from this very month to activate the process of constitutional amendments in order to remove the insane inneficiences in the Nigerian system.

They ALSO CLEARLY have to remove the minority Fulani political hegemony over Nigeria and specifically angry male and female indigenous Hausa people who are upset in online videos that I have seen at being killed and dispossessed of their ancestral homelands in Hausaland by foreign Fulani herders and bandits over the years in Katsina, Zamfara, Sokoto, Kebbi, parts of Northern Kaduna such as the Birnin Gwari agricultural belt, etc. To make matters WORSE the Hausas are 4 times more populous than the minority Fulani political hegemonists who have planted themselves in strategic positions as Governors of all the Hausa States of the North West of Nigeria but currently NO Hausa man is a Governor, and NO Hausa man or woman has ever been a President of Nigeria since 1960. It's shameful that internal colonialism by a foreign Fula minority is still going on as of 2025 and has to STOP because the Fulas (who are of North African Berber paternal ancestry) have NO single ancestral homeland in Nigeria. British Colonial rule and military rule was used to prop the Fula political hegemony up but this has to come to a final end with the constitutional amendments. Period.

NotProphet:
But u know u could have just go online and read the news yourself before replying?
The time you spent in replying him is enough to go online and save yourself this embarrassment.

Let me also drop the link even if i know u wont open it
https://thenationonlineng.net/ig-declares-anambra-safest-since-five-years/#google_vignette

The screenshot is also there

You know nothing about comparative analysis. When they tell you to read your book you rely on miracle centres, ust like the person you are trying to defend, you lack comprehension otherwise you would know what the article says was the state of the security compared to the last 5 years of the state.

lexy2014:
but this was tinubu "Putting the blame solely on the doorstep" of Jonathan?

are you saying that tinubu is myopic and lacks understanding of basic Nigeria structure?

why didnt tinubu tell his "elected legislature to pass law enacting state police law so the states can solely handle the security matters of his state"?

how do the attachment below show that tinubu knows what he is doing?

Nothing stops you from telling your legislature to enact the law too.

Stop asking questions like a kindergarten.

On his part, Tinubu has directed the governors. To look at the issue of state police. Sponsor a private bill and tell your representative to push it in Nass.

DarkJeddi:
The same Tinubu that changed the National Anthem in a jiffy?

The same one that couldn't wait to proscribe fuel subsidy and Forex deregulation.

The same one that has been championing the Tax Reform Bill at a breakneck speed?

Suddenly he's just waken up to the necessity of State Police and the fact that the Legislature are the bottleneck?

He never ready.
When he is, we'll know..

Executive order are different from Constitutional matter, presently, Security is solely in the Exclusive list which implies it's only the Federal government that has power to legislate over issue concerning security.

It will take 2/3 of the Nass to pass and assented by the president before it can be altered.

Presently the legislature has not done anything regarding that