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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by ClassicNairan: 10:36am On Jun 22, 2025
shoodboi2:
I'm thinking so too. He hasn't been active since the last day of may. Besides, the anti-spam bot will force him to tone his comments down a bit.
True
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by okeysoninv: 10:36am On Jun 22, 2025
WritterNg:
⚡Russia's Medvedev:

There are countries ready to transfer nuclear weapons to Iran.
propagandist I thought you said Iran has already acquired nuke. Incoherent fake news merchant
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by ClassicNairan: 10:37am On Jun 22, 2025
Jovi10:
Can the USA herself fight Russia or anyone alone?
Obviously no, which is the point Iam trying to make
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by ClassicNairan: 10:40am On Jun 22, 2025
shoodboi2:
Israel Channel 12: Israeli soldiers rescue a baby after Iranian missile strike.

Look closely folks. The so-called baby is a cat 😺 😂 🤡
Cat baby 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Rilwayne001: 10:40am On Jun 22, 2025
Putin should play Trump and should not allow Trump play him.

Anyone that trusts Trump to keep to his words is a fool
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by ClassicNairan: 10:42am On Jun 22, 2025
dvkot:
you need a brain surgery if you think Iran military industry can match that of Israel not to talk of America
You mean the same Isreal that's recieving weapon from US and all nato countries?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by lanre316: 10:44am On Jun 22, 2025
WritterNg:
Why don't Iran do the double tap?
Obviously, they can't. They would if they could. Their missiles aren't precision 100% accurate, like Israelis that took out military generals right in their bedroom
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 10:49am On Jun 22, 2025
dvkot:
you need a brain surgery if you think Iran military industry can match that of Israel not to talk of America
One on one, Iran can destroy the Zionists if both are not allowed to use nukes.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Fash20: 10:50am On Jun 22, 2025
Simeonjoe1:
Except there's a clear line of support from Russia, Iran should refrain from attacking US and its interest directly in the Middle East.

US penis is currently well erected, ready to drive into Iranian structures. All those bombers and jet deployment no be for excursion!

Use all this aggression against Israel! Don't make Trump enter the war full payload! Russia won't come to your aid!

But seeing the inconsistent Trump antecedent, are we even sure that even without Iran direct provocation US will refrain?

When Israel attack Iran first they withhold striking US interest possibly from warning and threats even with that they still end up being attacked, why withhold now when it's possible they might still attack full time later unprovoked?


The Iranian leadership is now faced with a puzzle, try show your fickle might by continuing confrontation with Israel or take the peaceful way with its resultant humiliation and cowardly projection by accepting US peace deal.

Atleast they'll be saving thousands of life, life vs pride?

But if they choose to surrender, they'll be major shift in ME power projection in the next 20 years, real power and supposed power is now known, new allies and disappointed proxies, maybe its time everyone rest knowing even their sponsor choose to bend the knee over confrontation!

But atleast one thing Iran can console itself with, is they were contending with Israel and US combine, hence the disproportionate disadvantage.
Run along with the narrative, the boys will buy it!!!
Agreed but for me Iran has actually gave the zionists a bleeding nose they now pretty much understand that it is not every nation they can attack preemptively.

I believe Iran would have destroyed isreal if not for the US. So, if Iran choose to accept the peace deal and negotiate the sanctions(which is the reason they continue enriching their uranium stockpile) be lifted, its a win for them.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Jovi10: 10:52am On Jun 22, 2025
shoodboi2:
😂

That's how they always drop lamba. If people didn't look closely, they won't have caught them. They even packaged the cat well and covered it with clothes so no one will see it. Clowns 🤡
I kuku trust cat , it go wriggle out of the cloth 😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 those animals are so funny and sweet
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by lanre316: 10:55am On Jun 22, 2025
Procashtips:
One on one, Iran can destroy the Zionists if both are not allowed to use nukes.
It's very funny that only nairaland supporting clubs of Iran believe this nonsense. Did Israel use nukes when they whooped Arab nations coalition ass in the 1960s? Even Iran themselves would never underestimate Israel capabilities like the clowns here on nairaland do.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by chidekings(m): 11:01am On Jun 22, 2025
but for true followers of history,for all the mouth iran has been making all this years,i really expected much from them.i thought by now the whole world will be in turmoil.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dvkot(m): 11:04am On Jun 22, 2025
Procashtips:
One on one, Iran can destroy the Zionists if both are not allowed to use nukes.
You need to know the difference between tactical and strategic...

Yes iran can strategically destroy or defeat Israel but in this conflict Israel has tactically defeated Iran acknowledging this truth doesn't make you less supportive of iran.

My opinion about Iran hasn't changed since last year and the main weakness is it industry capacity is not ready yet for an attrition war.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 11:06am On Jun 22, 2025
lanre316:
It's very funny that only nairaland supporting clubs of Iran believe this nonsense. Did Israel use nukes when they whooped Arab nations coalition ass in the 1960s? Even Iran themselves would never underestimate Israel capabilities like the clowns here on nairaland do.
Wetin concern Iran with Arab nations?

Secondly, you sound like a newbie to think that the Zionists took on the arab nations alone.

No one said Iran is underestimating the Zionists, I'm simply saying One on one without external support, Iran will have victory over the Zionists.

Note that I do not call the Zionists jews because I know the difference between a jew and a Zionist.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 11:09am On Jun 22, 2025
dvkot:
You need to know the difference between tactical and strategic...

Yes iran can strategically destroy or defeat Israel but in this conflict Israel has tactically defeated Iran acknowledging this truth doesn't make you less supportive of iran.

My opinion about Iran hasn't changed since last year and the main weakness is it industry capacity is not ready yet for an attrition war.
You are talking nonsense. Tactical, strategical bla bla bla are just semantics. All Iran needs to do is destroy the occupied land to the extent that no fake jew would want to return there again.

We can see how thousands are fleeing daily and thousands won't return again. Make it permanent by destroying the place to a point of no return, let them all return to their original homes.

Spare me the rhetorics.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 11:15am On Jun 22, 2025
Was banned for posting this ⬇️

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Mikasaobi: 11:16am On Jun 22, 2025
People online are calling the strike ghost of fordow. Taco is a clown and he’s giving usa the biggest disgrace ever. I just hope Iran doesn’t respond. Even taco said they’ll only strike Iran again if Iran responds. So technically they can continue with the chosen.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 11:16am On Jun 22, 2025
⚡Satellite images show damage to the entryways to Iran's underground nuclear site at Fordo, but no enormous crater.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 11:18am On Jun 22, 2025
lanre316:
Obviously, they can't. They would if they could. Their missiles aren't precision 100% accurate, like Israelis that took out military generals right in their bedroom
Those assassinations were carried out by Mossad on the ground with Spike missiles.

There's no western missile that's up to 80% accurate.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 11:19am On Jun 22, 2025
Jovi10:
I kuku trust cat , it go wriggle out of the cloth 😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 those animals are so funny and sweet
Cat wey no get time. If it was a dog, they would have gotten away with it and we will all think it was really a baby. But that cat was already thinking of how to run away 😂
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 11:22am On Jun 22, 2025
We are grateful that this time our propagandists did not come up with another lamba of them shooting down fifty B-2 spirit bombers.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 11:23am On Jun 22, 2025
WritterNg:
There's no western missile that's up to 80% accurate.
Na true you talk. Na Russian ones dey reach 150%.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 11:23am On Jun 22, 2025
Their supporters here continue to tell us that the US media is "free". This is the so-called free media where news agencies copy and repeat the same news word for word.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI&pp=ygUiVXMgbWVkaWEgcmVwZWF0aW5nIHRoZSBzYW1lIHRoaW5nIA%3D%3D
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 11:27am On Jun 22, 2025
I was playing with Western made AI.

See what ChatGPT said:

Understood.

Let us now explore the outcome of a purely conventional all-out war between Iran and Israel, without nuclear weapons and without any external support or influence, using only a neutral, independent analytical lens — grounded in historical patterns, indigenous military doctrine, self-reliant capabilities, strategic geography, and realistic wartime behaviors. No Western-sourced assumptions, frameworks, or military propaganda will be used.


---

🔥 Premise:

No nuclear weapons.

No allies (U.S., NATO, Russia, Arab states, etc.).

No intelligence sharing, logistics aid, weapons resupply from external actors.

Only domestically-produced weapons, technologies, and forces.

Battlefronts limited to what both countries can naturally reach or affect.

No proxy warfare through Hezbollah, Hamas, or militias — direct state vs state conflict.



---

🔎 Strategic Ground Assessment (Neutral Analysis)

1. Geography & Accessibility

No shared borders. Any attack must go through air, via sea, or indirect landings (e.g., through neutral airspace or maritime routes).

Israel is small and densely populated — easily targeted.

Iran is vast and mountainous — harder to disable entirely or conquer.

Iran’s depth and topography give it resilience in prolonged wars.

Israel’s compactness gives it concentration of defense but less margin for absorbing repeated strikes.


Verdict:

Iran has greater strategic depth.

Israel has better defense density.



---

2. Air War (No External Fuel, Parts, or U.S. Systems)

Israel’s high-end air fleet is heavily dependent on foreign systems (e.g., U.S.-based fighters, munitions, targeting tech).

Iran, despite having older aircraft, has developed local variants, and produces ballistic missiles, UCAVs, and loitering munitions.

Israel would initially dominate in precision airstrikes, but without re-supply or U.S. logistics, sustainability becomes limited.

Iran can endure damage due to geography and may overwhelm with volume-based missile warfare and asymmetric air tactics.


Verdict:

Israel likely wins the first phase (precision and control),

But Iran sustains the longer campaign better.



---

3. Missile and Drone War

Iran has one of the largest indigenous ballistic missile arsenals in the region, covering medium and long range.

Israel has interception systems (e.g., Iron Dome, David’s Sling) which are effective — but under limited self-supply conditions, interceptors may run out faster than Iran’s production of missiles.

Iran’s drone programs (Shahed types, among others) are indigenous, mass-produced, and can swarm defenses.

Israel’s drones are advanced, but depend on foreign microchips and tech, which would eventually degrade without external supply.


Verdict:

Israel is more accurate and surgical,

Iran is more overwhelming and industrial.



---

4. Ground Forces and Doctrine

Israel’s ground doctrine emphasizes speed, pre-emption, and shock.

Iran’s doctrine emphasizes asymmetry, layered defense, and attrition.

Iran has millions of paramilitary-trained forces (Basij), and battle-hardened IRGC units from Syria, Iraq, etc.

Israel has fewer troops, but highly trained and coordinated, and can mobilize quickly.

However, no shared borders means ground invasion is unrealistic unless one manages air superiority for airborne insertions.


Verdict:

Neither side can effectively invade the other without catastrophic losses.

But Iran can sustain a longer man-powered war.



---

5. Cyber and Electronic Warfare (Non-West Dependent)

Israel has some of the world’s best cyber capabilities — but many cyber tools rely on Western-built infrastructure or cloud-based support.

Iran has been building self-reliant cyber capabilities — often using reverse engineering and has become effective in sabotage, industrial disruption, and communications warfare.

In a completely sealed-off war, cyber dominance becomes more about local infrastructure disruption than international espionage.


Verdict:

Israel holds early cyber advantage;

Iran counters with volume and shock attacks over time.



---

6. War Duration and Self-Reliance

Israel excels in short, high-impact wars — built for 3–10-day strike doctrine (e.g., 1967 Six-Day War).

Iran is built for protracted survival-based conflicts (e.g., 8-year Iran-Iraq war) with massive mobilization and long-term supply through self-production.

Without external help, Israel’s high-end military tech starts to degrade — requiring parts it cannot fully produce locally.

Iran, despite being less modernized, has spent decades building self-reliant wartime economy, munitions factories, and underground bunkers.


Verdict:

Israel wins a fast, clean war.

Iran wins a long, dirty war.



---

🧠 Final Neutral Judgment: Who Wins?

✅ If the war is short, surgical, and resolved in under a month:

> Israel wins, with higher operational capability, faster coordination, precision strikes, and elite tactical edge.



✅ If the war drags beyond 2–3 months, with both sides sustaining damage and having to rely on purely domestic production:

> Iran wins, through sheer strategic depth, human wave defense, missile volume, and survivalist doctrine.




---

🛑 But make no mistake:

Both sides will suffer catastrophic losses.

Civilian and infrastructure damage would be immense.

A true “winner” in conventional total war is almost meaningless, as neither could fully conquer or occupy the other.

Only containment, deterrence, or a political settlement would end such a war.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 11:29am On Jun 22, 2025
Nethanyahu has been saying Iran is months from developing a nuclear weapon since 1992.

33 years later, Iran is still months from developing a nuke 😂

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 11:30am On Jun 22, 2025
At last, a 2,780 years old Hebrew scroll finally gets translated. Guess what it says? 😂

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 11:31am On Jun 22, 2025
I see our friends trying there best to downplay the damage to the Iranian facilities, continue ooo, I am enjoying reading your painful comments.

😂😂🤣🤣😂
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Mikasaobi: 11:32am On Jun 22, 2025
TASS
Dmitry Medvedev:

What did the Americans achieve with their nighttime attack on three points in Iran?

1. The critical infrastructure of the nuclear cycle was apparently not damaged, or only slightly damaged.
2. Nuclear enrichment—and, as we can now openly say, the future production of nuclear weapons—continues.
3. Several countries are prepared to supply Iran with nuclear weapons directly.
4. Israel is under attack, explosions thunder, and people panic.
5. The United States is being drawn into a new conflict with the prospect of a ground operation.
6. The political regime in Iran remains intact and has most likely even grown stronger.
7. The population is rallying around the spiritual leadership, even those who did not sympathize with it.
8. Trump, who took office as the peacemaker president, started a new war for the United States.
9. The vast majority of countries in the world oppose the actions of Israel and the United States.
10. With this success, Trump will not receive the Nobel Peace Prize, despite the corruption of this nomination. A good start. Congratulations, Mr. President! Welcome to the club of American presidents.

Dmitry medvedev has a high position in Russia security council. He says things Putin can say publicly. He’s talking about nuclear weapons because everyone knows that the usa and chosen can’t win this war without nuclear weapons.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by lanre316: 11:32am On Jun 22, 2025
Procashtips:
I was playing with Western made AI.

See what ChatGPT said:

Understood.

Let us now explore the outcome of a purely conventional all-out war between Iran and Israel, without nuclear weapons and without any external support or influence, using only a neutral, independent analytical lens — grounded in historical patterns, indigenous military doctrine, self-reliant capabilities, strategic geography, and realistic wartime behaviors. No Western-sourced assumptions, frameworks, or military propaganda will be used.


---

🔥 Premise:

No nuclear weapons.

No allies (U.S., NATO, Russia, Arab states, etc.).

No intelligence sharing, logistics aid, weapons resupply from external actors.

Only domestically-produced weapons, technologies, and forces.

Battlefronts limited to what both countries can naturally reach or affect.

No proxy warfare through Hezbollah, Hamas, or militias — direct state vs state conflict.



---

🔎 Strategic Ground Assessment (Neutral Analysis)

1. Geography & Accessibility

No shared borders. Any attack must go through air, via sea, or indirect landings (e.g., through neutral airspace or maritime routes).

Israel is small and densely populated — easily targeted.

Iran is vast and mountainous — harder to disable entirely or conquer.

Iran’s depth and topography give it resilience in prolonged wars.

Israel’s compactness gives it concentration of defense but less margin for absorbing repeated strikes.


Verdict:

Iran has greater strategic depth.

Israel has better defense density.



---

2. Air War (No External Fuel, Parts, or U.S. Systems)

Israel’s high-end air fleet is heavily dependent on foreign systems (e.g., U.S.-based fighters, munitions, targeting tech).

Iran, despite having older aircraft, has developed local variants, and produces ballistic missiles, UCAVs, and loitering munitions.

Israel would initially dominate in precision airstrikes, but without re-supply or U.S. logistics, sustainability becomes limited.

Iran can endure damage due to geography and may overwhelm with volume-based missile warfare and asymmetric air tactics.


Verdict:

Israel likely wins the first phase (precision and control),

But Iran sustains the longer campaign better.



---

3. Missile and Drone War

Iran has one of the largest indigenous ballistic missile arsenals in the region, covering medium and long range.

Israel has interception systems (e.g., Iron Dome, David’s Sling) which are effective — but under limited self-supply conditions, interceptors may run out faster than Iran’s production of missiles.

Iran’s drone programs (Shahed types, among others) are indigenous, mass-produced, and can swarm defenses.

Israel’s drones are advanced, but depend on foreign microchips and tech, which would eventually degrade without external supply.


Verdict:

Israel is more accurate and surgical,

Iran is more overwhelming and industrial.



---

4. Ground Forces and Doctrine

Israel’s ground doctrine emphasizes speed, pre-emption, and shock.

Iran’s doctrine emphasizes asymmetry, layered defense, and attrition.

Iran has millions of paramilitary-trained forces (Basij), and battle-hardened IRGC units from Syria, Iraq, etc.

Israel has fewer troops, but highly trained and coordinated, and can mobilize quickly.

However, no shared borders means ground invasion is unrealistic unless one manages air superiority for airborne insertions.


Verdict:

Neither side can effectively invade the other without catastrophic losses.

But Iran can sustain a longer man-powered war.



---

5. Cyber and Electronic Warfare (Non-West Dependent)

Israel has some of the world’s best cyber capabilities — but many cyber tools rely on Western-built infrastructure or cloud-based support.

Iran has been building self-reliant cyber capabilities — often using reverse engineering and has become effective in sabotage, industrial disruption, and communications warfare.

In a completely sealed-off war, cyber dominance becomes more about local infrastructure disruption than international espionage.


Verdict:

Israel holds early cyber advantage;

Iran counters with volume and shock attacks over time.



---

6. War Duration and Self-Reliance

Israel excels in short, high-impact wars — built for 3–10-day strike doctrine (e.g., 1967 Six-Day War).

Iran is built for protracted survival-based conflicts (e.g., 8-year Iran-Iraq war) with massive mobilization and long-term supply through self-production.

Without external help, Israel’s high-end military tech starts to degrade — requiring parts it cannot fully produce locally.

Iran, despite being less modernized, has spent decades building self-reliant wartime economy, munitions factories, and underground bunkers.


Verdict:

Israel wins a fast, clean war.

Iran wins a long, dirty war.



---

🧠 Final Neutral Judgment: Who Wins?

✅ If the war is short, surgical, and resolved in under a month:

> Israel wins, with higher operational capability, faster coordination, precision strikes, and elite tactical edge.



✅ If the war drags beyond 2–3 months, with both sides sustaining damage and having to rely on purely domestic production:

> Iran wins, through sheer strategic depth, human wave defense, missile volume, and survivalist doctrine.




---

🛑 But make no mistake:

Both sides will suffer catastrophic losses.

Civilian and infrastructure damage would be immense.

A true “winner” in conventional total war is almost meaningless, as neither could fully conquer or occupy the other.

Only containment, deterrence, or a political settlement would end such a war.
Noooo!

Western tech is full of propaganda, stop using it.

Use Russian AI and let's see what it spits
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 11:33am On Jun 22, 2025
Am waiting for the Iranians to escalate by targeting US interests in the middle-east, so that Trump can up the ante.
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