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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by lanre316: 3:23pm On Jun 22, 2025
shoodboi2:
You are trying to dumb down Iran's neverending issues with the West down to religion, which is not so. Such statements belittle Iran, sideline relevant historical and current events that caused severe rivalry between Iran and the West, and pass Iran off as a nation of religious fanatics and troublemakers.

Overall, all of what you said is false, including the part where Iran needs to destroy the Jews for the Mahdi to return. But you pro-Westerners have never stopped making those types of statements because you and I both know that no one will listen to what the US and UK did not Iran and still find Iran at fault.

In one sentence: You can talk about US-Iran issues without making a single reference to religion.

If anything, that same religion that you so much criticize and blame for Iran's "irrationality" is the very reason Iran doesn't have a nuke today. Iran can build one but refuse to because their translation of Shia Islam forbids them to.
I laugh at your clever subterfuge, implying that the foreign military policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran is not based on their religious beliefs, especially when you downplayed the part about their so-called Shia Messiah. Iranians living in Iran would disagree with you.

Let me just stop here, as I don't want this to devolve into religious talks, which I dislike. Those who have eyes have already seen and those who have ears have already heard.

Ire o.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 3:26pm On Jun 22, 2025
⚑2 Russian Su-57s are airborne and flying over Rostov Oblast in the direction of the city of Berdyansk, Zaporizhzhia Oblast. Unclear if its conducting a patrol or a combat sortie.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 3:27pm On Jun 22, 2025
WritterNg:
⚑VP VANCE:

"If the Iranians attack us, they're going to be met with overwhelming force ... We did not attack the nation of Iran. We did not attack any civilian targets. We didn't even attack military targets outside of the three nuclear weapons facilities."


The way these people think is astonishing.

So you entered another person's country to blow up their properties but crying that you didn't touch their people or properties?

Iran can also blow up their stuffs around them and say the same thing. Afterall, what are you even doing close to my home for a start?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by seunny4lif(m): 3:27pm On Jun 22, 2025
Masterviolence:
Where is the much-vaunted Iranian-made air defense system that was claimed to rival Russia’s S-400?

Are we to believe that hostile aircraft penetrated Iranian airspace, dropped their ordnance, and exited unchallenged without Iran mounting a defense reminiscent of what Serbia did decades ago?

Many seem to assume that a nation can independently develop nuclear weapons with ease. In reality, such an endeavor requires the backing of a powerful, nuclear-armed ally even before initiating uranium enrichment or constructing the necessary infrastructure.


Because the Kremlin has consistently opposed Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons, Tehran has, over time, both covertly and overtly, attempted to distance itself from Moscow including by refusing to purchase critical military platforms from Russia.

Iran’s animosity toward Israel has become so deeply entrenched that I am convinced, were Iran ever to possess the capability, it would not hesitate to render Israel into radioactive ruin. Given that a significant portion of Israel's population is of Russian descent, why would Russia facilitate the development of a weapon that could endanger its own diaspora?

As for the recent U.S. bombing campaign against Iran, the full extent of the damage remains unclear, but preliminary assessments suggest that no catastrophic losses were inflicted. It may now be time for Iran to reengage diplomatically with the Kremlin and reassess its strategic posture.
Why are you even stressing yourself? Iran's supreme leader is the cause of the problems, because I don't understand the reason he kept blocking Iran's military from developing nukes. China, Russia and North Korea were ready to help, yet he kept talking about Religion, that religion, like Pakistan, is also not a Mulsim nation.
His case will be similar to Yeltsin's until Putin comes to power.
The next Supreme Leader will surely build those nukes. How can you watch all your neighbours that are not USA allies get destroyed, but you believe only drones and missiles? All Iranian military allies have been killed due to the incompetence of the supreme leader, so that even those who hated Iran are saying the same thing, and I think that's the reason they haven't killed him yet.

We all remembered how Trump and co made noise about NK, even though NK have a military pact with China, NK still went ahead to develop nukes.
Allies can betray you, and we all saw the history of WW1 and WW2, when Britain failed to help Poland after promising them and how Romania switched to the USSR side.

He is the perfect Israeli MOSSAD/CIA agent against Iran. Why kill him?
Just my own take
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 3:27pm On Jun 22, 2025
⚑2 Su-34/35s are also operating near Crimea.

In total:
3 Su-30Ms
2 Su-57s
2 Su-34/35s
1 Su-24M2
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:30pm On Jun 22, 2025
Masterviolence:
Where is the much-vaunted Iranian-made air defense system that was claimed to rival Russia’s S-400?

Are we to believe that hostile aircraft penetrated Iranian airspace, dropped their ordnance, and exited unchallenged without Iran mounting a defense reminiscent of what Serbia did decades ago?

Many seem to assume that a nation can independently develop nuclear weapons with ease. In reality, such an endeavor requires the backing of a powerful, nuclear-armed ally even before initiating uranium enrichment or constructing the necessary infrastructure.


Because the Kremlin has consistently opposed Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons, Tehran has, over time, both covertly and overtly, attempted to distance itself from Moscow including by refusing to purchase critical military platforms from Russia.

Iran’s animosity toward Israel has become so deeply entrenched that I am convinced, were Iran ever to possess the capability, it would not hesitate to render Israel into radioactive ruin. Given that a significant portion of Israel's population is of Russian descent, why would Russia facilitate the development of a weapon that could endanger its own diaspora?

As for the recent U.S. bombing campaign against Iran, the full extent of the damage remains unclear, but preliminary assessments suggest that no catastrophic losses were inflicted. It may now be time for Iran to reengage diplomatically with the Kremlin and reassess its strategic posture.
Iran doesn't hate israel, if it did, Jews wouldn't be thriving in Iran

Iran's grouse with israel originates from Jewish dispossession of Palestinians and American wars and hostile actions in the region done on behalf of israel

Iran is a very rational country, even if it possessed nuclear weapons, it's nuclear doctrine would be one of strategic defence .i.e. to be used only in response to a nuclear attack on them

Americans should be very concerned. israel controls their politics, their politicians are beholden to israel and are loyal to israel over them

Even though I doubt that Iran's main nuclear facilities have been destroyed, Iran's nuclear program hasn't and that's the main point. The nuclear program is still active and the strikes could amount to a superficial victory, depending on what course Iran's nuclear program takes
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 3:33pm On Jun 22, 2025
seunny4lif:
Why are you even stressing yourself? Iran's supreme leader is the cause of the problems, because I don't understand the reason he kept blocking Iran's military from developing nukes. China, Russia and North Korea were ready to help, yet he kept talking about Religion, that religion this like Pakistan, is also not a Mulsim nation.
His case will be like Yeltsin until Putin comes to power.
The next Supreme Leader will surely build those nukes. How can you watch all your neighbours that are not USA allies get destroyed, but you believe only drones and missiles?

We all remembered how Trump and co made noise about NK, even though NK have a military pact with China, NK still went ahead to develop nukes.
Allies can betray you, and we all saw the history of WW1 and WW2, when Britain failed to help Poland after promising them and how Romania switched to the USSR side.
The old baba thinks killing opponents with ballistic or hyperbolic missiles are less death than using a nuke.

86yrs old baba should not juggle with missions of lives in his country.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 3:34pm On Jun 22, 2025

JD Vance:
The Iranians are clearly not very good at war.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 3:34pm On Jun 22, 2025
And I agree, Iran is just all over the place, like they are confused, no real strategy or plans. You would have thought after all this years they are experienced and well prepared but no, they just throw missiles up and down.

I blame this regime though, too much religion has finish them.
What do you think Boysking1

Alamkiir:

JD Vance:
The Iranians are clearly not very good at war.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 3:36pm On Jun 22, 2025
"And for those who western media deceived for years, the past 11 or so days exposed the lies about the Iranian society."

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:38pm On Jun 22, 2025
Alamkiir:

JD Vance:
The Iranians are clearly not very good at war.
After sending several Air Defense systems, delivering several cargos of military equipment, constantly providing intelligence and directly entering on behalf of israel

Makes sense
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Elvictor: 3:41pm On Jun 22, 2025
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Stop blaming Russia for Iran leaders foolishness, let's see what they are going to do after the meeting in Moscow.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by seunny4lif(m): 3:43pm On Jun 22, 2025
Alamkiir:

JD Vance:
The Iranians are clearly not very good at war.

J. D Vance refers to former President of Russia, Current Deputy in Security Council of Russia Dimitry Medvedev as 'that guy' who doesn't speak for President Putin or Russian Government.
-> Medvedev is the hardliner voice from Russia

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by bryght4u(m): 3:44pm On Jun 22, 2025
The audacity!
Procashtips:
The way these people think is astonishing.

So you entered another person's country to blow up their properties but crying that you didn't touch their people or properties?

Iran can also blow up their stuffs around them and say the same thing. Afterall, what are you even doing close to my home for a start?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:46pm On Jun 22, 2025
IMEI:
Iran doesn't hate israel, if it did, Jews wouldn't be thriving in Iran

Iran's grouse with israel originates from Jewish dispossession of Palestinians and American wars and hostile actions in the region done on behalf of israel

Iran is a very rational country, even if it possessed nuclear weapons, it's nuclear doctrine would be one of strategic defence .i.e. to be used only in response to a nuclear attack on them

Americans should be very concerned. israel controls their politics, their politicians are beholden to israel and are loyal to israel over them

Even though I doubt that Iran's main nuclear facilities have been destroyed, Iran's nuclear program hasn't and that's the main point. The nuclear program is still active and the strikes could amount to a superficial victory, depending on what course Iran's nuclear program takes
An argument devoid of logic as usual.
Jews wouldn't be thriving in Iran if Iran hates Israel.
Iran hates Israel and that's a fact. It doesn't matter to them if you are a Jew, as long as you are a Muslim first, you are safe. Or are there no Jewish Muslims again? Those are the ones existing in Iran.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 3:46pm On Jun 22, 2025
MmmmmmYou just dey make sense today. πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

WritterNg:
One side entered a war with only 190k troops, against the 2nd largest army in Europe and 2nd largest country in Europe, despite the threats and noise from the 32 Bingos. Despite 30,000 sanctions and attacks from every angle, they went in.

While one side is still waiting for the children of Gaza to be properly starved and weakened before they go in with all their most sophisticated weapons.

Just so they can declare flawless victory against starving orphans in front of the press.

Cowardice is their strength.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:47pm On Jun 22, 2025
Syrian army didn't fight, Iranian supreme leader is foolish. You will say anything just to absolve Russia's legendary incompetence in protecting its allies.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 3:57pm On Jun 22, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
That is after Iran refused the peace deal for 60 days
Iran refuse the peace deal? What is the peace deal? No enrichment and no missiles program. What kind of deal is that? In negotiations everyone makes sacrifice to come to an agreement. It's like me saying; Kingsnairaland it's either I shoot you or blow you with a bomb, choose one. Do we have a deal?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 4:00pm On Jun 22, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You are completely correct

Now let me ask you

Do you accept that Iran dream is the complete destruction of Israel
Iran clearly wasn't the one that started this war. Iran was not the one that has threatened to nuke Israel. Iran wasn't the one that bombed an embassy. Iran wasn't the that killed Israeli nuclear scientists and military officers. Iran was not the one that bragged about assassinating Israeli political leaders.

Iran isn't the one with a nuke. Iran isn't the one talking about how Israel is months away from acquiring nuclear weapons since 1992. Iran isn't the one with Mossad spies and sleeper cells inside Israel.

The US and Israel and their gang of bullies have been on Iran's case ever since Iran kicked out the Shah dictator they imposed on them.

Are you saying that the situation in Iran would have been different if the Shiites and democrats had not taken over from the Shah? Or you think the US and Israel wouldn't have been trying to destroy Iran irrespective of who leads them.

From Russia to China to Cuba to Venezuela to Iraq, Libya, North Korea, and even Iran itself, it has always been the same thing, irrespective of the religion the leader practices. It is Israel that is trying to destroy Iran and not the other way around.

And don't forget that Iran has a Jewish population too. In fact, it has the highest Jewish population outside of Israel. And they are not been persecuted. Even Christians live freely in Iran.

If Iran wanted to kill Jews, it would have started with its own Jewish citizens.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 4:03pm On Jun 22, 2025
⚑Iranian president during pro government gathering.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16:
FoolishBoy419:
I am 100% certain they will start working on one now if they've not already begun
1 OF 3


That's old news.
I know we tend to take Medvedev's statement as those of a hardline politician.
Sort of like Russia's Lindsay Graham. He is a politician, part of the government, but his profile as a decision maker is unclear.

But this is Medvedev's resume.
President of Russia - 2008 to 2012
Prime Minister of Russia - 2012 to 2020
Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation - 2020 to Present
The Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation is President Putin.

He is a high-profile decision maker representing a powerful contingent in the Russian establishment.
So if Medvedev is saying Iran will acquire a nuclear weapon and offers are available to send nukes to Iran at a moment's notice.
That is as clear as it'll ever get that Iran either has a nuke or the Axis Powers will give it one as a backstop.

2/3
3/3

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16:
2 OF 3

The more relevant topic is why the Axis chose this perilous path when the North Korea option is available?
The only reason I can come up with are economic reasons.

Bar Iran, China, and Russia, the core network of the Axis are North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela.
The latter 3 are stuck in a bottle economically.
Even Pakistan, a nuclear power that is not an Axis power but has firm security guarantees from China is an economic basket case.

North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela have small populations.
Iran's population rivals or is larger than any country in Europe. It is also a large country.
If it is struggling to cope with sanctions on its nuclear program, what will sanctions after it acquires a nuke do to its economy?
What will harsher sanctions do to its polity, when current sanctions has led to the election of a very obvious snake and Westernophile in Pezeshkian.
Iran is far more politically fragile than North Korea and Cuba.

Perhaps, this is why they are bent on a nuclear agreement.
China already bankrolls Iran by buying 80% of its oil. Any more sanctions and it'll need to be signing direct checks that'll never be paid back.
Iran should help the Big 2 lighten the load or at worst be net neutral. Not add more weight than all the other dependents combined.
The quagmire is at what point do they pull the plug on this agreement path and test a nuke?
What is the trigger for that? Khamenei's death? The US starting a regime change operation?
I suppose that'll be the subject of Araqchi meeting with Putin tomorrow.

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Procashtips(m): 4:09pm On Jun 22, 2025
shoodboi2:
Iran clearly wasn't the one that started this war. Iran was not the one that has threatened to nuke Israel. Iran wasn't the one that bombed an embassy. Iran wasn't the that killed Israeli nuclear scientists and military officers. Iran was not the one that bragged about assassinating Israeli political leaders.

Iran isn't the one with a nuke. Iran isn't the one talking about how Israel is months away from acquiring nuclear weapons since 1992.

The US and Israel and their gang of bullies have been on Iran's case ever since Iran kicked out the Shah dictator they imposed on them.

Are you saying that the situation in Iran would have been different if the Shiites and democrats had not taken over from the Shah? Or you think the US and Israel wouldn't have been trying to destroy Iran irrespective of who leads them.

From Russia to China to Cuba to Venezuela to Iraq, Libya, North Korea, and even Iran itself, it has always been the same thing, irrespective of the religion the leader practices. It is Israel that is trying to destroy Iran and not the other way around.

And don't forget that Iran has a Jewish population too. In fact, it has the highest Jewish population outside of Israel. And they are not been persecuted. Even Christians live freely in Iran. If Iran wanted to kill Jews, it would have started with its own Jeewish citizens.
You think you can make a religious fanatic see sense in what's going on?

They are in their millions in Nigeria, they view things mostly through religious lenses.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 4:10pm On Jun 22, 2025
3 of 3

Right now, Iran has to respond to the US.
Yes, the US bombed its facilities. But the US attack did not kill anyone.
If prelim reports are to be believed, the attack did not completely destroy Fordo and Isfahan.

So Iran needs to calibrate a direct response that will not draw first blood but cost the US.
What is that response? What if it fails and there are fatalities? What if that is a trap?
The US can conduct a hot war. It'll be mostly aerial for the time being, but it can do it.

At worst, the Democrats will protest in the US. And Trump's MAGA base will not vote in the mid terms.
But that was going to happen anyway.
Do the Axis want to fight a proxy war in Iran? Will Khamenei survive such a war? Is that war worth it?
If you want an agreement to avoid bankrolling Iran in perpetuity. Is a hot conflict with the US a better alternative?

I'll give it to Iran for trying this path.
Heaven knows they've paid a huge, inestimable price.
But I'm sure many are questioning the plan. What is the off-ramp?
Perhaps, it is time to open the parachute. Detonate a nuke in a test and end the war.

Or perhaps, there are more chapters in this book.
More stanzas in this poem.

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 4:14pm On Jun 22, 2025
Procashtips:
You think you can make a religious fanatic see sense in what's going on?

They are in their millions in Nigeria, they view things mostly through religious lenses.
I am very tired of them. We have gone round this so many times already. We can discuss Iran's neverending issues with the West without making a single mention of religion.

The same Israel has repeatedly encouraged the West to repeatedly go to war with the Middle East over flimsy excuses. Now, when those people defend themselves, they paint them as the aggressor.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 4:15pm On Jun 22, 2025
sainttwist1:
Pls check up on writterng

The Iranian sh*t hit him more than the supreme leader.

He is still our brother, encourage him, πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
When I saw his visa rants I know dude has lost it, he need all the love and care he can get
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 4:15pm On Jun 22, 2025
Gbadebo19:
An argument devoid of logic as usual.
Jews wouldn't be thriving in Iran if Iran hates Israel.
Iran hates Israel and that's a fact. It doesn't matter to them if you are a Jew, as long as you are a Muslim first, you are safe. Or are there no Jewish Muslims again? Those are the ones existing in Iran.
Which one is Jewish Muslims again?

What exists in Iran are Iranians Jews
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by seunny4lif(m): 4:17pm On Jun 22, 2025
LordAdam16:
1 OF 2


That's old news.
I know we tend to take Medvedev's statement as those of a hardline politician.
Sort of like Russia's Lindsay Graham. He is a politician, part of the government, but his profile as a decision maker is unclear.

But this is Medvedev's resume.
President of Russia - 2008 to 2012
Prime Minister of Russia - 2012 to 2020
Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation - 2020 to President
The Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation is President Putin.

He is a high-profile decision maker representing a powerful contingent in the Russian establishment.
So if Medvedev is saying Iran will acquire a nuclear weapon and offers are available to send nukes to Iran at a moment's notice.
That is as clear as it'll ever get that Iran either has a nuke or the Axis Powers will give it one as a backstop.

-Lord
Unless the so called Supreme leader changed his mind
Nothing will change until someone else come to that post like NK young leader or someone like Putin
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 4:19pm On Jun 22, 2025
shoodboi2:
Iranian missile continues flying even after getting intercepted.

Israel has a hard time intercepting Iranian missiles. And even when it manages to, the missile sometimes continue flying to its target as if nothing happened.


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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 4:20pm On Jun 22, 2025
IMEI:
Which one is Jewish Muslims again?

What exists in Iran are Iranians Jews
The Iranian Jews that don't have a religion abi?
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