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All this trouble to divert from your lies of actually comparing your said Quran of Muhammad pbuh and Quran of Abubakar? You never had access to what you claim of either but say too much and don't know or remember when you lie.

TenQ:
I don't explain hadiths, I ask questions about them. Honesttalk21 repeatedly did not answer most of my direct questions on the hadiths. I didn't ask for explanation of hadiths I asked that you answer my questions and here you both failed.

You don't explain hadith but first explained it to yourself and question for the sake of mockery since you understand it wrongly?

This is pathetic deceit and shameful hypocrisy.

TenQ:
According to your prophet
As for the child, if the man's discharge proceeds the woman's discharge, the child attracts the similarity to the man, and if the woman's discharge proceeds the man's, then the child attracts the similarity to the woman."

Is this scientifically true and correct?


So, tell me where the Jews got this information from their scripture. If it is in there Scriptures, then I believe it!
Is this in the scripture of the Jews or their scholars invented it?

The hadith where properly stated doesn't deny both parents contribute to the child and refers to aspects of the physical appearance of the child.

As for your Jewish brethren it from what they have to explain their scripture or is that not true? Define and explain the Talmud.

TenQ:
1. Was the verse of stoning adulterers in the Qur'an of Abubakar? No! But it was in the Qur'an according to Mohammed
1. Was the verse of breastfeeding an adult man in the Qur'an of Abubakar? No! But it was in the Qur'an according to Mohammed

There was indeed a verse in the Qur’an that mentioned stoning, but the specific wording was later abrogated, even though the ruling itself remained in effect. The fact that it’s not found in the Qur'an reflects a deeper divine wisdom in legislation, yet the ruling has been preserved through practice and hadith.

Regarding breastfeeding "Forbidden to you [for marriage] are: your mothers... and your foster-mothers who breastfed you, and your foster-sisters..."(Qur’an 4:23)

The absence of any objects where it was written and non clear remembrance of the verses is divine and proof of the abrogation/lifting of these verses.


Show where you saw the Qurans of Muhammad pbuh and Abubakar. You liar.

TenQ:
Explore2xmore

Here are just TWO where verses mean different things between the Warsh Qur'an and Hafs Qur'an

1. Surah Al-Imran (3:146)
Hafs version: The verse uses the word "قاتل" (qātila), meaning "fought". It says the prophets fought alongside many godly men.
Warsh version: The verse uses the word "قُتِلَ" (qutila), meaning "were killed". It says many prophets were killed along with their companions.

Is it possible to fight but not killed?

2. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:140)
Hafs version: Uses the word "تقولون" (taqulūna), meaning "you say", addressing the Jews and Christians directly.
Warsh version: Uses "يقولون" (yaqulūna), meaning "they say", referring to them indirectly.

Who said what to who?


Here is Allah's promise again as I am giving it to you for the second time in this thread.
Qur'an 87:6-7
"We shall make you recite, so you will not forget, except what Allah wills. Indeed, He knows what is manifest and what is hidden."

Tell me how the Qur'an of Mohammed can be identical to the Kalam Allah if Mohammed forgot just one word of it?


Not identical word for word, dot for dot! I have shown you evidences from your sources.


Ibn Mas'ud's Qur'an
1. Ibn Mas'ud’s mushaf did not include Surah al-Fatiha (the Opening) and the two final chapters, al-Falaq and al-Nas (collectively known as al-Mu’awwidhatayn)
2. The order of surahs in Ibn Mas'ud’s mushaf differed from the canonical arrangement established in Abubakar's Qur'an

https://www.icraa.org/surahs-mushaf-ibn-masud/

Ubayy's Qur'an
1. Ubayy’s Qur'an is reported to have included two additional surahs not found in the Uthmanic (and thus Abu Bakr’s) mushaf: Surah al-Hafd and Surah al-Khal’ (sometimes numbered as 115 and 116)

https://www.icraa.org/no-of-surahs-in-ubayys-mushaf/

Quote the two verses in full not just the single word differences let's check the effect on the whole meaning?


Are you challenging Allah causing his creation to remember and forget? It seems you also tend to claim to never forget?

You imagine that what is in the Kalam Allah doesn't contain this too? Please tell another lie that you have also seen that.

You are wrong as you will need to show discrepancy in every Qiraat though the centuries. Don't forget that the Qiraat are divinely supported.

Ask for information about why Ubay had additions and Ibn Masud omissions.
You hold on to what have good reason to support your falsehood.

Mr Explore2xmore,
Your Muslim Admin as usual has gone to delete my post. Why are you guys like this?

I will deliberately break it into two. What are you guys afraid of?

Mr Explore2xmore,
Your Muslim Admin as usual has gone to delete my post. Why are you guys like this?

Part TWO

TenQ:
Mr Explore2xmore,
Your Muslim Admin as usual has gone to delete my post. Why are you guys like this?

Part TWO

Very shameless of you to label the automate system as Muslim controlled when you know it is an automated system you fall foul off and is religion independent.

In any case you claim to restrict your analysis to between prophet Muhammad pbuh and Abubakar yet you don't have access to any of their material you claim to reference. Are you fooling yourself?


You deliberately quote just a word from these alone verses because you know your lie will be exposed otherwise. Shame on you!

Why not? Do you think there is anything that occurs in this life that is outside the record, allowance and command of Allah? Keep creating your supreme deity in your own image.


The Quran was collected in the lifetime of prophet Muhammad pbuh. In the sense that it was fully revealed, explained, recited, written but not in one collection during his lifetime.

What was willed to be collected into the Quran is. Remember it was revised twice in the final year.

What was to be retained remained in the memory of the companions, was found written and all what was abrogated wasn't found in memory and written form.

You see the gradual abrogation of alcohol consumption,verses that were abrogated during the Prophet’s lifetime,verses that were recited but not written like the so-called stoning verse but remain in the law.

Fluid prevalence can be metaphorical for genetic domination. In any case it will be great to understand all factors that influence gene domination.

In essence not all abrogation means deletion. Sometimes the text remains, but the ruling changes as in alcohol verses). Also both text and ruling are lifted where such cases are called naskh al-tilāwah.

You deny that the divine authority residing in the Talmud, Mishnah, and Gemara stems from their reliance on the foundational truths presented in the Tanakh and Torah?

Well since you asset so high wisdom to yourself and claim to challenge Allah (may he be praised above all this and as is due to him) it is best to ignore you and leave you to Allah the almighty.

Explore2xmore:
Very shameless of you to label the automate system as Muslim controlled when you know it is an automated system you fall foul off and is religion independent.

There are prompts that trigger the Bots: check if you could find any with my post. Only a human will delete posts scanned as pictures. The number of my posts deleted on this thread will be up to SIX.
Tell the overzealous moderator not to be afraid of the Truth!

Explore2xmore:
In any case you claim to restrict your analysis to between prophet Muhammad pbuh and Abubakar yet you don't have access to any of their material you claim to reference. Are you fooling yourself?

What a silly argument!
Do you have access as a Muslim to their Qur'an as Muslims?
At least In have shown you hadiths and the Qur'an to prove my case..

Explore2xmore:
You deliberately quote just a word from these alone verses because you know your lie will be exposed otherwise. Shame on you!

Then quote the full text and burst me!?
It is simple!
Only a Muslim will see untruths but hold on tightly to it.

Explore2xmore:
Why not? Do you think there is anything that occurs in this life that is outside the record, allowance and command of Allah? Keep creating your supreme deity in your own image.

Unfortunately, it is you who have created Allah in your own image. Allah looks exactly like the Dajjal except that the Dajjal has one eyes but Allah has two. The oneness of Allah is like the oneness of things on earth!

Explore2xmore:
The Quran was collected in the lifetime of prophet Muhammad pbuh. In the sense that it was fully revealed, explained, recited, written but not in one collection during his lifetime.

The Qur'an was collected BUT not collected.
The Qur'an was written BUT not written
The Qur'an was memorised BUT abrogated

You can see comedy of errors

Explore2xmore:
What was willed to be collected into the Quran is. Remember it was revised twice in the final year.

Either Jibril dictated to Mohammed as Quran things not in the Qur'an of Allah
OR
The Qur'an is NOT a copy but an abridged summary of the Qur'an of Allah.

Which of the two is it?

Explore2xmore:
What was to be retained remained in the memory of the companions, was found written and all what was abrogated wasn't found in memory and written form.

You see the gradual abrogation of alcohol consumption,verses that were abrogated during the Prophet’s lifetime,verses that were recited but not written like the so-called stoning verse but remain in the law.

But Adoption wasn't abrogated gradually!
SMH!
Marrying your adopted sons wife wasn't abrogated gradually!
SMH!

If alcoholic drink is from Shaitan , why gradually abrogate it?.

Explore2xmore:
Fluid prevalence can be metaphorical for genetic domination. In any case it will be great to understand all factors that influence gene domination.

You have to explain the error of Mohammed for him again!?

According to your prophet
As for the child, if the man's discharge proceeds the woman's discharge, the child attracts the similarity to the man, and if the woman's discharge proceeds the man's, then the child attracts the similarity to the woman."

This is COMPLETELY scientifically UNTRUE and INCORRECT?

Explore2xmore:
In essence not all abrogation means deletion. Sometimes the text remains, but the ruling changes as in alcohol verses). Also both text and ruling are lifted where such cases are called naskh al-tilāwah.

Another standard islamic narrative to explain away previous lies.
Were the abrogated verses in the eternal uncreated Qur'an of Allah in paradise or NOT?

Explore2xmore:
You deny that the divine authority residing in the Talmud, Mishnah, and Gemara stems from their reliance on the foundational truths presented in the Tanakh and Torah?

They have zero divine value o!
They are writings of different Jewish scholars and scribes.

Are the Books of Ahmed Deedat divine for you as Muslims ?
Are the Books of Zakir Naik divine for you as a Muslim?

Explore2xmore:
Well since you asset so high wisdom to yourself and claim to challenge Allah (may he be praised above all this and as is due to him) it is best to ignore you and leave you to Allah the almighty.

You asked a direct question and it was answered but you are angry!
Because Al-LAH is not YHWH is he?
Because Al-LAH is a subset of the Universe, isn't he?

TenQ:
There are prompts that trigger the Bots: check if you could find any with my post. Only a human will delete posts scanned as pictures. The number of my posts deleted on this thread will be up to SIX.
Tell the overzealous moderator not to be afraid of the Truth!

Victim mentality playing out?

TenQ:
What a silly argument!
Do you have access as a Muslim to their Qur'an as Muslims?
At least In have shown you hadiths and the Qur'an to prove my case..

Do you deny saying:

TenQ:
You will notice that I have concentrated just between the Qur'an of Mohammed and the Qur'an of Abubakar and I have shown you discrepancies you cannot dispute.

You say:
You will notice that I have concentrated just between the Qur'an of Mohammed and the Qur'an of Abubakar and I have shown you discrepancies you cannot dispute.
This strongly suggests that you believe you have:

- Compared the “Qur'an of Muhammad” with the “Qur'an of Abubakar” referring to the revelations recited by the Prophet versus the compilation made during Abu Bakr’s time as caliph);
- Noted differences between the two;
- Centered the discussion exclusively on these two versions, rather than considering other compilations or recensions, like Uthman's.

This implies that you had access to both versions and has performed a comparative analysis.

So, yes — the statement indicates that you claim to have examined both texts.


Try save face and correct my understanding and English.

TenQ:
Then quote the full text and burst me!?
It is simple!
Only a Muslim will see untruths but hold on tightly to it.

Keep deceiving yourself on what you clearly see despite also knowing there are varied revelations that have the same core meaning.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, it is you who have created Allah in your own image. Allah looks exactly like the Dajjal except that the Dajjal has one eyes but Allah has two. The oneness of Allah is like the oneness of things on earth!

No wonder you believe the supreme God has to become his creation to salvage his creation. You have diminished your God and as such easily fall for the deception of the antichrist Dajjal

TenQ:
The Qur'an was collected BUT not collected.
The Qur'an was written BUT not written
The Qur'an was memorised BUT abrogated

Mr limited limiting knowledge.
Do you remember every single thing you were taught in school to the very detail. That's even going too far. Do you remember every single thing you did just yesterday to the exact time point. This is where Allah, the almighty God is far above you.

TenQ:
Either Jibril dictated to Mohammed as Quran things not in the Qur'an of Allah
OR
The Qur'an is NOT a copy but an abridged summary of the Qur'an of Allah.

Which of the two is it?

Definitely not. Revelation came down over time and injunctions came and were relaxed as needed and appropriate. Why does this exist in your Bible?I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. John 16:12

TenQ:
But Adoption wasn't abrogated gradually!
SMH!
Marrying your adopted sons wife wasn't abrogated gradually!
SMH!

If alcoholic drink is from Shaitan , why gradually abrogate it?.

Is there good reason why adoption still takes place in the world today?
Is it not a fact that regardless of papers and process an adopted relative can never be the same as a biological relative.

How many immediate alcoholics automatically and instantaneously stop consuming alcohol. Sure you can see no wisdom in how it became forbidden? Even you compilation advices against consumption to drunkenness yet many fall short.

Don't you see your emotional and sentimental error?

TenQ:
You have to explain the error of Mohammed for him again!?

According to your prophet
As for the child, if the man's discharge proceeds the woman's discharge, the child attracts the similarity to the man, and if the woman's discharge proceeds the man's, then the child attracts the similarity to the woman."

This is COMPLETELY scientifically UNTRUE and INCORRECT?

Sorry mr scientist. Science can largely explain genetic inheritance and its connection to physical traits but it does not yet fully explain every detail or does it?

TenQ:
Another standard islamic narrative to explain away previous lies.
Were the abrogated verses in the eternal uncreated Qur'an of Allah in paradise or NOT?

They have zero divine value o!
They are writings of different Jewish scholars and scribes.

Are the Books of Ahmed Deedat divine for you as Muslims ?
Are the Books of Zakir Naik divine for you as a Muslim?

You asked a direct question and it was answered but you are angry!
Because Al-LAH is not YHWH is he?
Because Al-LAH is a subset of the Universe, isn't he?

There is no such Arabic as Al-Lah.

You can as well have all Christians and Jews desist from attending church and temples to have their clergy preach or explain the scripture. Perhaps explaining things they don't readily understand.

Mr Explore2xmore
As usual. My post was deleted after 6 hours

But here it is again. You can check for why you think the bots flagged it

Again,
Then last part of my post

TenQ:
Again,
Then last part of my post

You should take up your deleted post with the platform not me or wrongly assume the reason for. In any case you tend to prefer WRONG Q and it's who you are.

Where are the books of Deedat and Naik taken as sacred outside your mistaken manufacturing? Please tell and give evidence. Their opinions are largely impressive and revered but not to the extent of being sacred. Only you christians do that in promoting a messenger of God. A creation of God not God.

You can have your faulty conclusions and opinions within your rights.

Unable to differentiate that adoption isn't forbidden but an overreach corrected. Will Joke Sylvia's genetic test now show she us a biological descendant of her adopting parents?

How queer is your reasoning? Is that the meaning of the Q in your pseudonym or quarrelsome?

Sadly you are too far gone to see prophet Muhammad pbuh didn't refer to gender inheritance. It is your jewish brethren's view. Can you tell from your 23 chromosomes which exactly influence physical similarity in appearance? If this were the case what then is the point for going as far as cloning which isn't absolutely successful. Warped sillly thoughts you choose to have?

Show where and how lah is a standalone word. You can't. Keep lying to yourself and unthinking following friends.

Regardless of your erroneous thoughts the Quran is perfectly preserved. The Qiraat have influence of the other harfs of divine revelation and there's nothing you can do about it.

Ireneus of Lyon said "There are four zones of the world… and four principal winds… it is fitting that the Church should have four pillars…”

This is not a theological or historical reason.

Goslel book titles were assigned later, possibly to lend credibility to anonymous texts.

The final form of Scripture had imperial sponsorship, which raises questions about independent spiritual consensus.

Texts that contradicted what came to be considered “orthodox” things like, that Jesus wasn’t divine, or that God didn’t create the material world—were excluded as heretical.

The process of canonization was as much about defining orthodoxy as preserving historical truth.

The Gospels were often chosen based on what they excluded, not just what they included.

Go figure that or query that instead. It will be more productive use of your time.

Bye!

Explore2xmore:
You should take up your deleted post with the platform not me or wrongly assume the reason for. In any case you tend to prefer WRONG Q and it's who you are.

Meaningless rattles!

Explore2xmore:
Where are the books of Deedat and Naik taken as sacred outside your mistaken manufacturing? Please tell and give evidence. Their opinions are largely impressive and revered but not to the extent of being sacred. Only you christians do that in promoting a messenger of God. A creation of God not God.

You can have your faulty conclusions and opinions within your rights.

Only with you does a simple question requires evidence.
Are the opinion Zakir Naik or Ahmed Deedat scriptures to you?

Explore2xmore:
Unable to differentiate that adoption isn't forbidden but an overreach corrected. Will Joke Sylvia's genetic test now show she us a biological descendant of her adopting parents?

How queer is your reasoning? Is that the meaning of the Q in your pseudonym or quarrelsome?

Islam doesn't cancel adoption but you can marry the wife of your adopted son!?

Qur'an 33:37
And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah


You have an adopted son, but you can marry his wife!?
SMH!!

Explore2xmore:
Sadly you are too far gone to see prophet Muhammad pbuh didn't refer to gender inheritance. It is your jewish brethren's view. Can you tell from your 23 chromosomes which exactly influence physical similarity in appearance? If this were the case what then is the point for going as far as cloning which isn't absolutely successful. Warped sillly thoughts you choose to have?

The GENE'S are in the chromosome sir. It has nothing to do with we ejaculates first.

It is an error the least Angel of God will make such a silly error!

Explore2xmore:
Show where and how lah is a standalone word. You can't. Keep lying to yourself and unthinking following friends.

Didn't In show you the correlation with the names of the daughters of Allah!?

By the way, if Allah is the name of your God, what does Allah mean?

Explore2xmore:
Regardless of your erroneous thoughts the Quran is perfectly preserved. The Qiraat have influence of the other harfs of divine revelation and there's nothing you can do about it.

Ireneus of Lyon said "There are four zones of the world… and four principal winds… it is fitting that the Church should have four pillars…”

This is not a theological or historical reason.

When something is Left out of a copied document, it cannot be said to be perfectly preserved. When things are abrogated from the copied document, it cannot be perfectly preserved!

Explore2xmore:
Goslel book titles were assigned later, possibly to lend credibility to anonymous texts.

The final form of Scripture had imperial sponsorship, which raises questions about independent spiritual consensus.

Texts that contradicted what came to be considered “orthodox” things like, that Jesus wasn’t divine, or that God didn’t create the material world—were excluded as heretical.

The process of canonization was as much about defining orthodoxy as preserving historical truth.

The Gospels were often chosen based on what they excluded, not just what they included.

Go figure that or query that instead. It will be more productive use of your time.

Bye!

So, tell me why your God gave the name of the book given to Jesus a Greek influenced name?

TenQ:
Meaningless rattles!


Only with you does a simple question requires evidence.
Are the opinion Zakir Naik or Ahmed Deedat scriptures to you?




Islam doesn't cancel adoption but you can marry the wife of your adopted son!?

Qur'an 33:37
And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah


You have an adopted son, but you can marry his wife!?
SMH!!



The GENE'S are in the chromosome sir. It has nothing to do with we ejaculates first.

It is an error the least Angel of God will make such a silly error!


Didn't In show you the correlation with the names of the daughters of Allah!?

By the way, if Allah is the name of your God, what does Allah mean?




When something is Left out of a copied document, it cannot be said to be perfectly preserved. When things are abrogated from the copied document, it cannot be perfectly preserved!




So, tell me why your God gave the name of the book given to Jesus a Greek influenced name?

The Talmud is far more central to Judaism than the works of Naik or Deedat are to Islam.

There is no blood relation there. It is your wish and you failed to answer if Joke Sylvia has a biological relation with her adopting parents.

Genes on sex chromosomes (X and Y) do influence facial features to some extent, but they are not the main contributors to why a child resembles their mother or father.

Genetic inheritance of facial features is not linear or predictable. The exact mechanism is far more complex than the generic understanding suggests.

In the verse you fabricated by adding what isn't there and incerting a wrong inconceivable word or phrase in Arabic grammer? Keep exercising yourself in falsehood and make belief.

It will be correct if there indeed was a copy to copy that from? Sure you don't understand that all that was compiled existed in written form and had those who had memorized.

The injil of Jesus wasn't documented and the four gospels you hold on to were not written in his lifetime. Don't they disagree with each other in certain reports?

Explore2xmore:
The Talmud is far more central to Judaism than the works of Naik or Deedat are to Islam.

That was not the question sir.
What we are saying is that the Talmud was written by non prophets AND they are WRONG.
But your prophet copied them while telling lies that it was Jibril!

Could Jibril have made such a blatant ERROR that the baby resemblance is a function of who ejaculates first?

Explore2xmore:
There is no blood relation there. It is your wish and you failed to answer if Joke Sylvia has a biological relation with her adopting parents.

A child is ADOPTED only because there is no biological relation to the parents. They become CHILDREN of the parents by Legal Pronouncements. So, if Joke Silva is Adopted, she is a Child of the Parents because they are not related by blood.

You say, Islam does not cancel ADOPTION!
So, why can you ask a Muslim man marry the Wife of your Son (by Adopted)?

Explore2xmore:
Genes on sex chromosomes (X and Y) do influence facial features to some extent, but they are not the main contributors to why a child resembles their mother or father.

Genetic inheritance of facial features is not linear or predictable. The exact mechanism is far more complex than the generic understanding suggests.

This was why Mohammed was indeed an illiterate!

The sperm and ovum each contain 23 chromosomes, which are haploid sets. These 23 chromosomes include: 22 autosomes (non-sex chromosomes) that are the same in both sperm and ovum 1 sex chromosome (allosome),

Autosomes are the 22 pairs of non-sex chromosomes inherited equally from both parents, carrying thousands of genes responsible for a wide range of traits such as eye color, height, and susceptibility to diseases

Therefore, it is NOT who ejaculates First between the man or the woman BUT the mix of the thousands of genes chromosomes in the specific Ovum and Sperm.

Your prophet was WRONG!
It was a lie that Jibril told him this ERROR!

Explore2xmore:
In the verse you fabricated by adding what isn't there and incerting a wrong inconceivable word or phrase in Arabic grammer? Keep exercising yourself in falsehood and make belief.

You find the Qur'an verse disgraceful!?
I can understand!
Can you please give me your own translation of
Qur'an 33:37
And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah

Explore2xmore:
It will be correct if there indeed was a copy to copy that from? Sure you don't understand that all that was compiled existed in written form and had those who had memorized.

I do perfectly understand!
When something is Left out of a copied document, it cannot be said to be perfectly preserved. When things are abrogated from the copied document, it cannot be perfectly preserved! When memorisers forget parts of the original, whatever you have cannot be perfectly preserved.

It is simple logic sir!

Explore2xmore:
The injil of Jesus wasn't documented and the four gospels you hold on to were not written in his lifetime. Don't they disagree with each other in certain reports?

The question was:
So, tell me why your God gave the name of the book given to Jesus a Greek influenced name?

TenQ:
That was not the question sir.
What we are saying is that the Talmud was written by non prophets AND they are WRONG.
But your prophet copied them while telling lies that it was Jibril!

Could Jibril have made such a blatant ERROR that the baby resemblance is a function of who ejaculates first?



A child is ADOPTED only because there is no biological relation to the parents. They become CHILDREN of the parents by Legal Pronouncements. So, if Joke Silva is Adopted, she is a Child of the Parents because they are not related by blood.

You say, Islam does not cancel ADOPTION!
So, why can you ask a Muslim man marry the Wife of your Son (by Adopted)?



This was why Mohammed was indeed an illiterate!

The sperm and ovum each contain 23 chromosomes, which are haploid sets. These 23 chromosomes include: 22 autosomes (non-sex chromosomes) that are the same in both sperm and ovum 1 sex chromosome (allosome),

Autosomes are the 22 pairs of non-sex chromosomes inherited equally from both parents, carrying thousands of genes responsible for a wide range of traits such as eye color, height, and susceptibility to diseases

Therefore, it is NOT who ejaculates First between the man or the woman BUT the mix of the thousands of genes chromosomes in the specific Ovum and Sperm.

Your prophet was WRONG!
It was a lie that Jibril told him this ERROR!


You find the Qur'an verse disgraceful!?
I can understand!
Can you please give me your own translation of
Qur'an 33:37
And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah


I do perfectly understand!
When something is Left out of a copied document, it cannot be said to be perfectly preserved. When things are abrogated from the copied document, it cannot be perfectly preserved! When memorisers forget parts of the original, whatever you have cannot be perfectly preserved.

It is simple logic sir!



The question was:
So, tell me why your God gave the name of the book given to Jesus a Greek influenced name?

Well that's your problem being that Jews consider the Talmud as essential to Jewish law and religious practice. Particularly important for interpretation of the Torah.

Glad you realise the act of adoption doesn't confer biological relations.

Facial features like nose shape, eye spacing, lip fullness, etc. are influenced by many genes spread across several chromosomes hope you have enough understanding of how exactly the one that manifests cones to be?

Did you not requote Quran 53:19-20 to display your habitual mischief? You're now trying to parry by speaking of a verse in Surah Ahzab.
Is there a lie here?

And He [i.e., Allah] has not made your claimed [i.e., adopted] sons your [true] sons. That is [merely] your saying by your mouths, but Allah says the truth, and He guides to the [right] way. Call them [i.e., the adopted children] by [the names of] their fathers; it is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you do not know their fathers, they are your brothers in religion…" (Quran, 33: 4-5)


Do you expect Allah to speak in incomprehensible terms?
In reality though which of the four Gospels was written or documented while Jesus was alive? Absolutely none.

Hello Mr Explore2xmore,
As usual, they delayed two posts connected to the reference above

Here it is again

TenQ:
Hello Mr Explore2xmore,
As usual, they delayed two posts connected to the reference above

Here it is again

It's a big pity you cannot discern difference in what he said compared to what the Jews said. Some poor degree in intelligence and discernment.

You can keep repeating or regurgitating your old statements

Does the science you believe have absolute understanding? No! Hahaha

The Qur’an lays out a clear and organized list of those who are prohibited from marrying in Surah An-Nisa (4:22–24), addressing biological, foster, and in-law relationships. On the other hand, the Bible has this information more scattered, less systematic, and primarily focuses on biological relatives. The New Testament tends to emphasize moral behavior rather than detailing specific marriage restrictions. In summary, the Qur’an provides a more straightforward and legally precise approach to marriage prohibitions compared to the Bible.

In all the Quran speaks in terms that are understood and people know. People had a knowledge of Jesus and what he preached.
It is a shame that the original Hebrews or jews have no name for the book of Jesus.

Jews do not have a Gospel or an equivalent because of differences in belief about prophecy, scripture, and Jesus.

It's like war against my post.
What have I done against these people!

Check above Mr Explore2xmore

TenQ:
Check above Mr Explore2xmore

Jesus and his disciples were part of the Jewish community, and his earliest followers belonged to a Jewish sect. However, most Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah because he didn’t fit their expectations, and his teachings—especially as they evolved over time—strayed from traditional Jewish beliefs. As a result, Christianity developed its own path, while Judaism continued to reject the notion of Jesus as the Messiah.

When it comes to genetics, we have some strong insights, but we can’t yet guarantee or perfectly predict how a child will look. Our knowledge is expanding, but human traits come from intricate, layered genetic systems rather than straightforward one-to-one mappings.

Law represents a structured set of rules enforced by the state to uphold social order, whereas morality reflects an individual or collective sense of right and wrong. It’s important to note that laws can exist independently of moral values, and people can still be guided by their moral compass even when laws are absent.

Morality is influenced by certain principles of right and wrong, while law is shaped by political, social, and practical considerations—and sometimes, these two don’t quite match up.

It pains you about the marriage eh ya. You missed out on that didn't you for your societal norms. Eh ya!

I mentioned your Jewish brethren's error to point out their error. The hadith doesn't refer to gender of offspring. Does it?

TenQ:
Boo hoo!


Same Deity: different shades!

Because of your blatant disregard of your brother butterfly777 topic and to quench your habitual tread derailment by gish-gallop

TenQ:
Islam really doesn't know God because if you do, you will not create a new form of monotheism without the TRUE God of Creation.

Islam desires a God like the Creations where God can be in one place and location at a time.

TRINITY is a Description of YHWH
1. YHWH is One
2. YHWH is Unlike His Creations
3. YHWH can be SOMEWHERE and EVERYWHERE at the same time
4. The whole Universe is contained within YHWH (there is NOTHING outside Him)

This is what Mohammed didn't understand or chose not to understand.
1. Allah is one (Don't forget that I lis is One too)
2. Allah is very much like creations who can only be in one location at a time.
3. Allah is a subset of the Universe before he created his throne above the seventh heaven with air above him and water below his throne

Sunan Ibn Majah 182
Waki' bin Hudus narrated that his paternal uncle Abu Razin said: "I said: 'O Messenger of Allah, where was our Lord before He created His creation?' He said: He was above the clouds, below which was air, and above which was air and water. Then He created His Throne above the water.'"

I am sure you will explain away the words of your prophet as usual.

Your words show a mix of passion and uncertainty. It seems you’re not just asking questions; you’re challenging Islam directly. So, let’s respond to your claims not with hostility, but with the profound understanding of monotheism and ʿknowledge.

Clarifying the Issues in Your Argument

Category Mistake

You’re equating the Qur’anic God (Allah) with a being that’s “like creation,” limited by space and time. This is exactly what tawhid, monotheism,stands against.

You take a single hadith narration, with its own context, and turn it into a universal truth. That’s not how Muslims or scholars interpret texts.

False Contrast

You suggest that Christianity embraces transcendence while Islam denies it. In reality, it’s often the opposite.

Christianity presents God as incarnate in human form, subject to hunger, death, and humiliation. That’s a likeness to creation.

Islam teaches: “Laysa kamithlihi shay’” Nothing is like Him (Qur’an 42:11).

Begging the Question

You assume the Trinity is “the true description of YHWH” without providing evidence. The Hebrew Bible, particularly the Shema (Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is One – Deut. 6:4), emphasizes absolute oneness without any persons or trinity. You’ve brought Greek metaphysics into Jewish monotheism and then claimed that Islam “created” a new form of monotheism. In truth, Islam restored the original.

What Islam Teaches about Allah

Allah is One (tawhid al-dhat)

He is not divided, not compounded, and certainly not three persons.

His Oneness is absolute, not just a matter of numerical addition.

Allah is Transcendent (tanzih)

“Vision does not encompass Him, but He encompasses all vision.” (Qur’an 6:103)

He is not confined by space. He created both time and place.

Allah is Both Near and Exalted

“He is with you wherever you are.” (Qur’an 57:4)

“The Most Merciful rose over the Throne.” (Qur’an 20:5)

Simply means He is exalted beyond comprehension, yet His knowledge and power encompass everything.

Allah is not Contained

Nothing can contain Him, neither the heavens nor the earth.

[quote author=TenQ post=135734946][/quote]Even the hadith you mentioned (“He was above the clouds… above water”) is an akhbārī (reporting) about unseen realities before creation. It doesn’t suggest any limitations. When we talk about “air and water” in a pre-creation context, it’s really just a way to help human minds grasp these concepts.

Exposing the Trinity

You claim the Trinity is a “description of YHWH”:

But you won’t find anywhere in the Torah or the Prophets that God is described as “three persons in one essence.”

Even Jesus reiterates the Shema (Mark 12:29).

The concept of the Trinity emerged after the biblical texts were written, sparking debates for centuries at Nicaea, Constantinople, and Chalcedon.

So how can you accuse Islam of creating monotheism when the Trinity itself is a concept that was unknown to Abraham, Moses, David, or even Jesus?

Re-reading the Hadith You Cited (Sunan Ibn Majah 182)

The hadith states: “He was above the clouds… then He created His Throne above the water.”

This is a metaphorical description, not a limitation of space. Before creation, ideas like “up” and “down,” “air” and “water” don’t fit into our physical understanding.

The Prophet pbuh often conveyed profound truths in ways that a Bedouin could relate to. For instance, when he described Paradise, he said: “Therein is what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no heart has imagined.”

So, no, this doesn’t mean Allah is “trapped in a location.” It signifies that before creation, there was only Allah. Then He brought everything into existence from nothing.

The Real Issue

You accuse Muhammad pbuh of “not understanding God.” Yet:

He reinstated the God of Abraham: pure oneness.

He eliminated the idols of Mecca: no sons, no partners, no incarnations.

He taught that Allah was and there was nothing else.” (Bukhari, Kitab al-Tawḥid).

Can you say the same for the Trinity, which blends Greek philosophy with Biblical monotheism?

honesttalk21:
Even the hadith you mentioned (“He was above the clouds… above water”) is an akhbārī (reporting) about unseen realities before creation. It doesn’t suggest any limitations. When we talk about “air and water” in a pre-creation context, it’s really just a way to help human minds grasp these concepts.

Exposing the Trinity

You claim the Trinity is a “description of YHWH”:

But you won’t find anywhere in the Torah or the Prophets that God is described as “three persons in one essence.”

Even Jesus reiterates the Shema (Mark 12:29).

The concept of the Trinity emerged after the biblical texts were written, sparking debates for centuries at Nicaea, Constantinople, and Chalcedon.

So how can you accuse Islam of creating monotheism when the Trinity itself is a concept that was unknown to Abraham, Moses, David, or even Jesus?

Re-reading the Hadith You Cited (Sunan Ibn Majah 182)

The hadith states: “He was above the clouds… then He created His Throne above the water.”

This is a metaphorical description, not a limitation of space. Before creation, ideas like “up” and “down,” “air” and “water” don’t fit into our physical understanding.

The Prophet pbuh often conveyed profound truths in ways that a Bedouin could relate to. For instance, when he described Paradise, he said: “Therein is what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no heart has imagined.”

So, no, this doesn’t mean Allah is “trapped in a location.” It signifies that before creation, there was only Allah. Then He brought everything into existence from nothing.

The Real Issue

You accuse Muhammad pbuh of “not understanding God.” Yet:

He reinstated the God of Abraham: pure oneness.

He eliminated the idols of Mecca: no sons, no partners, no incarnations.

He taught that Allah was and there was nothing else.” (Bukhari, Kitab al-Tawḥid).

Can you say the same for the Trinity, which blends Greek philosophy with Biblical monotheism?

Why can't Muslims speak the truth for once?

Does any Christian describe Trinity as Tree Gods or One God?

Why is all your argument about three Gods.

I will just give you one verse from the Torah without explanation and I ask you to explain it knowing that YHWH is One

Gen 19:24:
"Then the YHWH (on Earth) rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YHWH out of heaven;"

Can Allah enter into his creation?


Simple!

honesttalk21:
Because of your blatant disregard of your brother butterfly777 topic and to quench your habitual tread derailment by gish-gallop



Your words show a mix of passion and uncertainty. It seems you’re not just asking questions; you’re challenging Islam directly. So, let’s respond to your claims not with hostility, but with the profound understanding of monotheism and ʿknowledge.

Clarifying the Issues in Your Argument

Category Mistake

You’re equating the Qur’anic God (Allah) with a being that’s “like creation,” limited by space and time. This is exactly what tawhid, monotheism,stands against.

You take a single hadith narration, with its own context, and turn it into a universal truth. That’s not how Muslims or scholars interpret texts.

False Contrast

You suggest that Christianity embraces transcendence while Islam denies it. In reality, it’s often the opposite.

Christianity presents God as incarnate in human form, subject to hunger, death, and humiliation. That’s a likeness to creation.

Islam teaches: “Laysa kamithlihi shay’” Nothing is like Him (Qur’an 42:11).

Begging the Question

You assume the Trinity is “the true description of YHWH” without providing evidence. The Hebrew Bible, particularly the Shema (Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is One – Deut. 6:4), emphasizes absolute oneness without any persons or trinity. You’ve brought Greek metaphysics into Jewish monotheism and then claimed that Islam “created” a new form of monotheism. In truth, Islam restored the original.

What Islam Teaches about Allah

Allah is One (tawhid al-dhat)

He is not divided, not compounded, and certainly not three persons.

His Oneness is absolute, not just a matter of numerical addition.

Allah is Transcendent (tanzih)

“Vision does not encompass Him, but He encompasses all vision.” (Qur’an 6:103)

He is not confined by space. He created both time and place.

Allah is Both Near and Exalted

“He is with you wherever you are.” (Qur’an 57:4)

“The Most Merciful rose over the Throne.” (Qur’an 20:5)

Simply means He is exalted beyond comprehension, yet His knowledge and power encompass everything.

Allah is not Contained

Nothing can contain Him, neither the heavens nor the earth.

You can only do strawman argument.
So, to you, Christians are saying "the Lord God is THREE"!?
SMH!
Without Lies, Is Lam cannot exist!

Secondly,
Allah is a subset of the Universe and it can easily be proven.

Is Allah not above the seven heavens?
Then he is not within the seven heavens!
Neither is Allah below the seven heavens!
How can he be Omnipresent?

Logically, he can be in one location at a time. This is like Iblis who can be in only one location at a time.

Until otherwise, this prove that Allah is just like at least one creation.

Only the True God is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient at the same time. Unfortunately, Allah isn't.
Arguing against the Trinity doesn't change the limited nature of Allah!

honesttalk21:
Even the hadith you mentioned (“He was above the clouds… above water”) is an akhbārī (reporting) about unseen realities before creation. It doesn’t suggest any limitations. When we talk about “air and water” in a pre-creation context, it’s really just a way to help human minds grasp these concepts.

Exposing the Trinity

You claim the Trinity is a “description of YHWH”:

But you won’t find anywhere in the Torah or the Prophets that God is described as “three persons in one essence.”

Even Jesus reiterates the Shema (Mark 12:29).

The concept of the Trinity emerged after the biblical texts were written, sparking debates for centuries at Nicaea, Constantinople, and Chalcedon.

So how can you accuse Islam of creating monotheism when the Trinity itself is a concept that was unknown to Abraham, Moses, David, or even Jesus?

Re-reading the Hadith You Cited (Sunan Ibn Majah 182)

The hadith states: “He was above the clouds… then He created His Throne above the water.”

This is a metaphorical description, not a limitation of space. Before creation, ideas like “up” and “down,” “air” and “water” don’t fit into our physical understanding.

The Prophet pbuh often conveyed profound truths in ways that a Bedouin could relate to. For instance, when he described Paradise, he said: “Therein is what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no heart has imagined.”

So, no, this doesn’t mean Allah is “trapped in a location.” It signifies that before creation, there was only Allah. Then He brought everything into existence from nothing.

The Real Issue

You accuse Muhammad pbuh of “not understanding God.” Yet:

He reinstated the God of Abraham: pure oneness.

He eliminated the idols of Mecca: no sons, no partners, no incarnations.

He taught that Allah was and there was nothing else.” (Bukhari, Kitab al-Tawḥid).

Can you say the same for the Trinity, which blends Greek philosophy with Biblical monotheism?

Just to help you with your prophets description of the seven heavens and seven earth's so that you know for certain that they are LITERAL physical headband earths



Mishkat al-Masabih 5735
He told that while God's prophet and his companions were sitting clouds came over them and God's prophet asked, "Do you know what these are?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "These are the clouds (`anan), these are the water-carriers of the earth which God drives to people who do not thank Him or call upon Him." He then asked, "Do you know what is above you?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "It is the firmament, a ceiling which is guarded and waves which are kept back." He then asked, "Do you know what is between you and it?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Between you and it are five hundred years." He then asked, "Do you knew what is above that?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Two heavens with a distance of five hundred years between them." He went on speaking like that till he counted seven heavens, the distance between each pair being like that between the heaven and the earth. He then asked, "Do you know what is above that?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Above that is the Throne, and the distance between it and the [seventh] heaven is the same as that between each pair of heavens." He then asked, "Do you know what is below you?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "It is the earth." He then asked, "Do you know what is under that?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Under it there is another earth with a journey of five hundred years between them," and so on till he had counted seven earths with a journey of five hundred years between each pair. He then said, "By Him in whose hand Muhammad's soul is, if you were to drop a rope[1] to the lowest earth it would not pass out of God's knowledge." He then recited, "He is the First and the Last, the Outward and the Inward, and He is omniscient." Ahmad and Tirmidhi transmitted it, Tirmidhi saying that God's messenger's recitation of the verse indicates that it would go down within God's knowledge, power and authority, for God's knowledge, power and authority are everywhere, while He is on the Throne, as He described Himself in His Book.
This is the reading in the text on the margin of Mirqat. In Tirmidhi, in his book on Tafsir al Quran, the tradition occurs in his section on sura 57 (al-hadid), the reading being "if you were to drop a man with a rope..."
Literally, "it would fall upon God."


Till tomorrow, we are still looking for the six earths underneath our Earth!

SMH!


Sorry, too many things that are unbelievably untrue about your proffets narrations!

TenQ:
I asked you a question you have not answered:
Is it possible to undo a violation of the kunfayakun of God?

Does God's forgiveness without justice remove the violation of the kunfayakun of God?

Think before you answer these two questions?


Repeating yourself doesn't make you correct. It is just an expression of wish predicated by your Islamic scholars.

Can you show any miracle of Allah that was witnessed by anyone by which we can conclude that he is God the Creator? Talk is cheap sir!

Who is JESUS?
Jesus is God YHWH who entered into His Creation so that He can take their punishment that His Justice might be fulfilled on Sinners AND that His Mercy can be extended on those sinners who accept His Love and Sacrifice.
Why do you think His message was the GOOD NEWS?
The price of your freedom has been paid by your God so that you who should spend eternity in Hell is set free and given a place with God.

John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."


Islamic theology without basis

In Islam,
-Jibril is the Holy Spirit!
-Angels are not spirits but created from light
-The nature of spirit is unknown
-Jesus is also a Spirit

Tell me is Jesus also the Holy Spirit or He is the unholy Spirit?




Islam came for just one purpose!
To mislead people away from the Free Gift of Salvation paid for by God Himself.

If you care to note:
Islam ACCEPTS almost everything in the religion of Jews and Christians that have nothing to do with SALVATION!
But
Islam REJECTS everything in the religion of Jews and Christians that has to do with SALVATION

In Islam:
1. Jesus did NOT die on the Cross
2. Jesus did NOT resurrect from the dead
3. Jesus did not save us by His blood

Islam turns the face of people from the Gift of Salvation from God to humans to Observance of Religious Rituals

Is it possible to undo a violation of God's kun fayakun?

It seems there's a misunderstanding about what kun fayakun really means.

The Qur’an states, “His command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Qur’an 36:82). This highlights God's creative command. Creation itself is obedient; it doesn’t “violate” Him.

So, the foundation of your question is a bit off. Nothing in creation can “undo” or “violate” God's command. The entire universe relies on Him; He is al-Qadir (the All-Powerful).

When sin happens, it’s not that God’s word is “broken.” Instead, He chose to create humans with free will and established consequences for their actions. Forgiveness isn’t a contradiction; it’s simply another expression of His Will.

Does God’s forgiveness without justice remove the violation?

In Islam, forgiveness isn’t without justice.

He is al-ʿAdl (The Just) and al-Raḥman (The Merciful).

Justice means that every soul is accountable for its own deeds. “No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another.” (Qur’an 6:164).

Mercy means He may choose to forgive out of His grace.

There’s no contradiction here, as He forgives whom He wills without compromising justice. How is that possible? Because He holds the rights to punishment. If He decides to forgive, it’s His prerogative as the Sovereign King.

In contrast, Christianity suggests that God cannot forgive without bloodshed. That’s not a display of omnipotence, but rather a limitation. In tawhid, God forgives directly, showcasing a greater majesty.

Show any miracle of Allah that was witnessed by anyone that proves He is God

Here, you’re mixing up the Creator with creation. God doesn’t need to perform tricks to prove Himself to anyone. His miracle is existence itself. The Qur’an says:

“In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, are signs for those of understanding.” (Qur’an 3:190).

But since you’re asking for witnessed miracles:

The Qur’an itself stands as a miracle, unparalleled in its language, prophecy, and preservation. (Even scholars from the West acknowledge its uniqueness.)

Historical miracles attributed to Muhammad (pbuh) include water flowing from his hands, the moon splitting, and the prophecies of the Qur’an coming to fruition. These events have been reported by entire communities (mutawatir).

The issue isn’t a lack of evidence; it’s a refusal to acknowledge it Reminiscent of the Jews and Israelite in the Bible?

Now, who is Jesus?

We hold him in higher regard than your doctrine suggests.

According to the Qur’an: “The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, His word that He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him.” (Qur’an 4:171).

So, he is:

- The Messiah
- A Prophet
- The Word (kalimah) from God
- A Spirit from God

But he is not God Himself. Why? Because the Creator doesn’t eat, sleep, or die. To reduce Him to flesh is to diminish His essence.

Regarding the Trinity and the Spirit:

You might ask: “Is Jesus the Holy Spirit or an unholy spirit?”

This reflects some confusion on your part

In Christianity, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit; they are considered distinct “persons” within the Trinity.

In Islam, the Ruh ul-Qudus refers to Jibrīl (Gabriel), the angelic spirit of revelation.

The “spirit” that was breathed into Jesus (Qur’an 66:12) represents the created life force.

So, to clarify; Jesus is a prophet, not the Holy Spirit. In our belief, Jibril is the Holy Spirit, not Jesus.

Now, let’s address the notion of salvation in Islam.

Islam does not reject salvation.

Rather, it rejects the idea that God must sacrifice Himself to grant forgiveness. That’s not salvation; that’s a myth.

Our path to salvation isn’t about “rituals” but about submission (Islam).

“Whoever submits his face to Allah and does good he will have his reward with his Lord, and no fear will there be upon them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur’an 2:112)

Islam isn’t about ritual instead of salvation it’s about direct accountability before God without priest or blood sacrifice.

TenQ:
You can only do strawman argument.
So, to you, Christians are saying "the Lord God is THREE"!?
SMH!
Without Lies, Is Lam cannot exist!

Secondly,
Allah is a subset of the Universe and it can easily be proven.

Is Allah not above the seven heavens?
Then he is not within the seven heavens!
Neither is Allah below the seven heavens!
How can he be Omnipresent?

Logically, he can be in one location at a time. This is like Iblis who can be in only one location at a time.

Until otherwise, this prove that Allah is just like at least one creation.

Only the True God is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient at the same time. Unfortunately, Allah isn't.
Arguing against the Trinity doesn't change the limited nature of Allah!

What then are God the father, god the son and god the holy spirit with God the father being the greatest? Are these not three distinct entities?

TenQ:
Just to help you with your prophets description of the seven heavens and seven earth's so that you know for certain that they are LITERAL physical headband earths



Mishkat al-Masabih 5735
He told that while God's prophet and his companions were sitting clouds came over them and God's prophet asked, "Do you know what these are?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "These are the clouds (`anan), these are the water-carriers of the earth which God drives to people who do not thank Him or call upon Him." He then asked, "Do you know what is above you?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "It is the firmament, a ceiling which is guarded and waves which are kept back." He then asked, "Do you know what is between you and it?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Between you and it are five hundred years." He then asked, "Do you knew what is above that?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Two heavens with a distance of five hundred years between them." He went on speaking like that till he counted seven heavens, the distance between each pair being like that between the heaven and the earth. He then asked, "Do you know what is above that?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Above that is the Throne, and the distance between it and the [seventh] heaven is the same as that between each pair of heavens." He then asked, "Do you know what is below you?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "It is the earth." He then asked, "Do you know what is under that?" On their replying that God and His messenger knew best, he said, "Under it there is another earth with a journey of five hundred years between them," and so on till he had counted seven earths with a journey of five hundred years between each pair. He then said, "By Him in whose hand Muhammad's soul is, if you were to drop a rope[1] to the lowest earth it would not pass out of God's knowledge." He then recited, "He is the First and the Last, the Outward and the Inward, and He is omniscient." Ahmad and Tirmidhi transmitted it, Tirmidhi saying that God's messenger's recitation of the verse indicates that it would go down within God's knowledge, power and authority, for God's knowledge, power and authority are everywhere, while He is on the Throne, as He described Himself in His Book.
This is the reading in the text on the margin of Mirqat. In Tirmidhi, in his book on Tafsir al Quran, the tradition occurs in his section on sura 57 (al-hadid), the reading being "if you were to drop a man with a rope..."
Literally, "it would fall upon God."


Till tomorrow, we are still looking for the six earths underneath our Earth!

SMH!


Sorry, too many things that are unbelievably untrue about your proffets narrations!

Please don't break your neck, it will still be required to carry your head after the junk of misinformation is corrected.

The hadith discussing the seven heavens and seven earths isn’t just a simplistic flat-stacked planets idea. It refers to

1. Literal unseen reality. The heavens and earths do exist, but their true nature is beyond what we can comprehend (bila kayf).

2. Cosmological metaphor. The term “seven” symbolizes layers or regions, similar to the seven strata of the earth or the seven celestial spheres.

3. Spiritual symbol representing the stages of the soul’s ascent and descent.

When it mentions 500 years, it’s actually a piece of Arabic rhetoric meant to convey an unimaginable distance, rather than a precise measurement. The Prophet pbuh concluded the narration by referencing Qur’an 57:3 to emphasize that everything above and below is fully within God’s knowledge and power.

This hadith highlights Allah’s transcendence, rather than providing NASA with a cosmic map of the universe.