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FreeIgboho:
Maxindhouse has gone mute.😆
So this settles this for good.
Plus the Bible said Jesus spoke with extraordinary authority, so he must have emphasized the "I am" so there was no doubt what he meant. Plus his body language, attitude, and other words that didn't make it into the Bible, must have left absolutely no doubt what he meant!

I have a lot of things to do so it's only when i see your posts that i respond nah!
Jesus is our Brother, Master, Lord and King not our God o!

MaxInDHouse:
I have a lot of things to do so it's only when i see your posts that i respond nah!
Jesus is our Brother, Master, Lord and King not our God o!

You forgot to say he's angel.Gabriel and Moses

MaxInDHouse:
Is Armageddon prophecy written in the Bible? Revelations 16:16
What do you think about this prophecy?
Well since you said:
"I'm asking sincerely as I truly want to know"
I will oblige.
God's organization (people) has always been interested in the time when badness will end so they keep on looking for each prophecy in the scriptures seek meaning to each prophecy and so far so good they keep on WORKING towards the end just as a prophet told them:

For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! Habakkuk 2:3

Have they gotten perfect interpretations to all these prophecies?
NO!
So Armageddon is not from modern day servants of my God it has been written thousands of years ago John the baptist and Jesus' disciples all got things wrong too that doesn't mean they were false prophets o!
This generation Jesus mentioned actually confused Jesus' first century apostles too but today we know better it simply means the generation that witnessed all the composite sign of the endtime not just those who saw how the signs started.

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You forgot to say Jesus came secretly in 1914. Can't they simply admit that Russel (founder of JW) was wrong about 1914 as he was about so many things

FreeIgboho:
You forgot to say he's angel.Gabriel and Moses

Of course Jesus in his prehuman life was archangel Michael nah!

FreeIgboho:
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You forgot to say Jesus came secretly in 1914. Can't they simply admit that Russel (founder of JW) was wrong about 1914 as he was about so many things

Of course Jesus began ruling in heaven since the year 1914 and if you say God's people are wrong for some things that's true they've been wrong in certain things since the days of John the baptist until now but they've never stopped doing what they ought to do!

MaxInDHouse:
"Before Abraham i exist"
That's what Jesus meant it's your people in Trinity that fabricated your "I AM" and started using it to promote their Trinity!

Lol
I sent you the text used in the original Greek writings of John and the English interpretation.
For me, I would believe John the beloved Apostle of Jesus Christ and not you or any other I too know on Nairaland.

You don't even speak Greek yet you are ready to argue with what you don't know.

πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγὼ εἰμί
Prin Abraam genesthai, egō eimi

Which literally translates to:

“Before Abraham came into being, I am.”
Why Not Say “I was”?
Grammatically, we’d expect Jesus to say “I was” (in Greek, ἐγὼ ἦν), but instead He says ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM.”

MaxInDHouse:
I have a lot of things to do so it's only when i see your posts that i respond nah!
Jesus is our Brother, Master, Lord and King not our God o!

He is the Great I Am according to the account of John.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Jesus in his prehuman life was archangel Michael nah!

And he was also Moses. But angel Michael is a powerful warrior, leader of the heavenly armies, patron saint of armies, soldiers, police officers. So who was filling that role while Jesus was on earth being a pacifist and Son of God?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Jesus began ruling in heaven since the year 1914 and if you say God's people are wrong for some things that's true they've been wrong in certain things since the days of John the baptist until now but they've never stopped doing what they ought to do!

So was there a coup or something like that in heaven or did someone die and he became the new ruler?
But Russel was wrong about every date, not just 1914. If he was wrong about such basic things doesn't that make you wonder if he was also wrong about your current beliefs in JW, which are all from him?

Jesus existed before Abraham.
That's the simple meaning of what Jesus said!

tctrills:
Lol
I sent you the text used in the original Greek writings of John and the English interpretation.
For me, I would believe John the beloved Apostle of Jesus Christ and not you or any other I too know on Nairaland.

You don't even speak Greek yet you are ready to argue with what you don't know.

πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγὼ εἰμί
Prin Abraam genesthai, egō eimi

Which literally translates to:

“Before Abraham came into being, I am.”
Why Not Say “I was”?
Grammatically, we’d expect Jesus to say “I was” (in Greek, ἐγὼ ἦν), but instead He says ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM.”

tctrills:
He is the Great I Am according to the account of John.

There is no "I AM" in my own Bible so if you wish to worship I AM it's OK try to agree with your fellow I AM people first on how to do God's will!

FreeIgboho:
And he was also Moses. But angel Michael is a powerful warrior, leader of the heavenly armies, patron saint of armies, soldiers, police officers. So who was filling that role while Jesus was on earth being a pacifist and Son of God?

There was no war in heaven when Jesus (archangel Michael) came to the earth nah.
Satan and all his demons were busy here trying to make his mission unsuccessful.

It's after his successful earthly mission that they discovered they are in big trouble because his sacrifice has made it possible for humans to go and rule with him in heaven where Satan and his demons are no longer needed!

MaxInDHouse:
There was no war in heaven when Jesus (archangel Michael) came to the earth nah.
Satan and all his demons were busy here trying to make his mission unsuccessful.

It's after his successful earthly mission that they discovered they are in big trouble because his sacrifice has made it possible for humans to go and rule with him in heaven where Satan and his demons are no longer needed!

Ooh, ok. Now I understand. On earth he was so pacifist and turn-the-other-cheek, but in heaven he was this rugged soldier, patron saint of warriors. And when there was a break in fighting he hurried to earth to be pacifist and the Son of God, then hurried back.
Did he become Angel Michael again when he came back from earth?

FreeIgboho:
Did he become Angel Michael again when he came back from earth?

The scriptures said about him:

For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11

Was he elevated like this before he came to the earth?
If he was then what is the essence of the verse again?

Ọmọ he was Archangel Michael meaning the first out of the foremost angels but it was after his successful earthly mission that he earned something greater than what he was before!

MaxInDHouse:
The scriptures said about him:

For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11

Was he elevated like this before he came to the earth?
If he was then what is the essence of the verse again?

Ọmọ he was Archangel Michael meaning the first out of the foremost angels but it was after his successful earthly mission that he earned something greater than what he was before!

So who now filled his former position of chief warrior Angel Michael?
Do you know that section you bolded is the definition of worship and only God is to be worshipped?

MaxInDHouse:
There is no "I AM" in my own Bible so if you wish to worship I AM it's OK try to agree with your fellow I AM people first on how to do God's will!

All that means is that your bible did not come from the original Greek bible. Could you please tell us the source of your bible? And yes, I agree with the testimony of John, Jesus Christ is the Great I Am. It is your choice if you disagree with the Lord's words in favour of your white man boss.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus existed before Abraham.
That's the simple meaning of what Jesus said!

Oga, we already read the meaning of what Christ said. If all he wanted to say was that he existed before Abraham, he would have said I was” (in Greek, ἐγὼ ἦν), but instead, he says ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM. Jesus Christ did not make a grammatical mistake, so stop trying to correct him.

FreeIgboho:
So who now filled his former position of chief warrior Angel Michael?
Do you know that section you bolded is the definition of worship and only God is to be worshipped?

Heaven differs from earth, angels are in two categories:
Cherubs: warriors in heaven.
Seraphs: singers in heaven.

Michael is the first angel so he controls all of them but after the rebellion the two categories had members that joined the rebellion against God's authority so by the time Michael was transformed into a human all the angels in heaven focused to see what will be the outcome of his earthly mission and by the time he said:


“It is finished.” ‭John 19:30 NIV‬

All rebellious angels in heaven knew that their days are numbered because their stay in heaven depends on the outcome of Michael's earthly mission.

There no section that has to do with worship except for the father anything else is obedience to God's chosen king!

tctrills:
All that means is that your bible did not come from the original Greek bible. Could you please tell us the source of your bible? And yes, I agree with the testimony of John, Jesus Christ is the Great I Am. It is your choice if you disagree with the Lord's words in favour of your white man boss.

It's translation against translation there is nothing new in that!

tctrills:
Oga, we already read the meaning of what Christ said. If all he wanted to say was that he existed before Abraham, he would have said I was” (in Greek, ἐγὼ ἦν), but instead, he says ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM. Jesus Christ did not make a grammatical mistake, so stop trying to correct him.

It's translation against translation there is nothing more!

MaxInDHouse:
It's translation against translation there is nothing more!

No no,. You can't misquote the very words of Christ and blame it on translation.
John recorded
ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM
But your white overlords teach ἐγὼ ἦν - "I was.
Please forgive me for going with John and not the Americans.

MaxInDHouse:
It's translation against translation there is nothing new in that!

I would have agreed with you if we did not have the Greek records.
Thank goodness, today anyone with a smart phone can translate the Greek text.
So there is no excuse.
Did the Greek text as I Am or I Was?
And. It clearly stated I Am.
So why should we change the Saviour's words in the name of translation?
You are changing the Saviour's words just to fit your organization right?

tctrills:
No no,. You can't misquote the very words of Christ and blame it on translation.
John recorded
ἐγώ εἰμι — “I AM
But your white overlords teach ἐγὼ ἦν - "I was.
Please forgive me for going with John and not the Americans.

Forgive your I AM that has failed woefully to unite it's worshipers i am less concerned with whatever your problem is.
Jesus said:
"before Abraham i exist"
Simple as ABC!

tctrills:
I would have agreed with you if we did not have the Greek records.
Thank goodness, today anyone with a smart phone can translate the Greek text.
So there is no excuse.
Did the Greek text as I Am or I Was?
And. It clearly stated I Am.
So why should we change the Saviour's words in the name of translation?
You are changing the Saviour's words just to fit your organization right?

Go and worship your I AM with it's other worshipers at least you people will have something to benefit from your worship of this your I AM!

MaxInDHouse:
Go and worship your I AM with it's other worshipers at least you people will have something to benefit from your worship of this your I AM!

Ok
But then stop using your false translation of the Words of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Forgive your I AM that has failed woefully to unite it's worshipers i am less concerned with whatever your problem is.
Jesus said:
"before Abraham i exist"
Simple as ABC!

You just claimed Jesus Christ has failed woefully to unite His worshippers and that's your reason for inventing your own God and writing your own scripture. No problem.

Even after I have corrected you and shown you the words of Christ, you choose to remain stubborn.

Let me ask, how did you come about the I was translation? Was that the correct Greek word or did someone in the US corrupt the translation to create their own God?

tctrills:
Ok
But then stop using your false translation of the Words of Christ.

That's the only translation that united all faithful people throughout the earth and made them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4

I wonder what your true translation has achieved among the worshipers of your I AM!

tctrills:
You just claimed Jesus Christ has failed woefully to unite His worshippers and that's your reason for inventing your own God and writing your own scripture. No problem.

Even after I have corrected you and shown you the words of Christ, you choose to remain stubborn.

Let me ask, how did you come about the I was translation? Was that the correct Greek word or did someone in the US corrupt the translation to create their own God?

I never told you there is anything like "I WAS" you fabricated it because i rejected your impotent I AM.

MaxInDHouse:
I never told you there is anything like "I WAS" you fabricated it because i rejected your impotent I AM.

Lol,
It's not I Am, it's not I was, it just nothing.
You guys are impossible.
You don't need to Accept I am, just show your own Greek translation.

tctrills:
Lol,
It's not I Am, it's not I was, it just nothing.
You guys are impossible.
You don't need to Accept I am, just show your own Greek translation.

I have told you there is nothing in that translation other than simple statement which means:

"Before Abraham i exist"

That's what we believe and is working for our good just as Jesus said that it's the fruit that matters not whatever name you give your god! Matthew 7:16-18

MaxInDHouse:
I never told you there is anything like "I WAS" you fabricated it because i rejected your impotent I AM.

So I just checked with your JW bible.
It says " I have been"
Now the Greek for that would have been (ἐγὼ ἦν or ἐγὼ γέγονα)
But the Greek reads
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)
You see your white overlords messed up?

tctrills:
So I just checked with your JW bible.
It says " I have been"
Now the Greek for that would have been (ἐγὼ ἦν or ἐγὼ γέγονα)
But the Greek reads
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)
You see your white overlords messed up?

I am telling you that in the next edition it would be rendered "i existed" and nothing will change because it's just a statement!