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Janosky:
John 4:25-26. John 8:24,28,58..
The point Jesus Christ is making at John 8:58 is the same point he's made at John 4:25-26. John 8:24,28 .

Jesus Christ do NOT mean that delusion you have attached to John 8:58

Janosky:
1 John 5:7 & 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV & textus receptus translations.
Have You forgotten the Bible chapter your Trinitarian mentors said Peter was worshipped?

Oga, do you want further evidences?

Janosky:
Oga read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Greek Septuagint and STOP DECEIVING yourself.

You must open your mind to learn, UNLEARN & RELEARN..

tctrills:
You must be more intelligent than Christ to be able to explain for him.
Anyway I choose to believe Christ and not you.
He is smarter than you, he expressed himself better than you ever can. He said he is I Am so I agree with him. I am sorry but I hope you understand?

know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me".


Jesus your own "I AM " said what God his Father taught him," I do NOTHING of my own".

The God Almighty of the holy scriptures have no Father. ooooo !!! .

Oga,You jump to verse 58 & built a delusion that Jesus @ John 8 verse 28 had refuted.

Janosky:
John 8:28
So Jesus said, “
When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me".


Jesus your own "I AM " said what God his Father taught him," I do NOTHING of my own".

The God Almighty of the holy scriptures have no Father. ooooo !!! .

Oga,You jump to verse 58 & built a delusion that Jesus @ John 8 verse 28 had refuted.

tctrills:
Again what's your point here. The old testament was written in Hebrew why do you want me to read your Greek Septuagint.

Please just make your point because I know you are only trying to waste my time by asking me to read something that doesn't relate. I am talking from experience with you.

Every Bible you own was translated from Greek to English.
Oga, you know your delusion won't stand the scrutiny of Exodus 3:12-15 in Greek Septuagint.

Please continue to deceive yourself.

Janosky:

Every Bible you own was translated from Greek to English.
Oga, you know your delusion won't stand the scrutiny of Exodus 3:12-15 in Greek Septuagint.

Please continue to deceive yourself.

tctrills:
I always knew you were incapable of making sense. What does any of this have to do with the I Am debate? Please link your thoughts.

The question here is, did Jesus Christ say he is I Am or not? Again, what does John 8:28 have to do with this discussion? Please learn to focus.

John 8:28, Oga,tctrills did your "I Am say "I do nothing of my own initiative"?

@ John 8:28, who is the Father teaching your "I Am"?

Oga Tctrills,Does the Being teaching your "I Am " have a Father?

Oga Tctrills go jakpa from both questions.
E get why.

tctrills:
This is word-for-word from Wikipedia
The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew and Koine Greek, with some parts in Aramaic.

The Old Testament portion of the King James Bible is primarily translated from Hebrew. Specifically, the translators relied on the Masoretic Text, a standardized Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible,

Janosky:
John 8:28, Oga,tctrills did your "I Am say "I do nothing of my own initiative"?

@ John 8:28, who is the Father teaching your "I Am"?

Oga Tctrills,Does the Being teaching your "I Am " have a Father?

Oga Tctrills go jakpa from both questions.
E get why.

Janosky:
The name God revealed to Moses @Exodus 3:12 in Hebrew ehyeh asher ehyeh is " I will be what I will be".
NOT "I Am".

Hebrew Exodus 3:14, God told Moses to tell the Israelites: "The Being has sent you......"


Oga, nothing connect Exodus 3:12-14 to the delusion you attached to John 8:58.
John 8:28 & John 4:25-26 confirmed it too.

@ John 4:25-26, John 8:24,28,58 Jesus saying he is "the messiah who existed before Abraham.

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you forgot that both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth said:

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” ‭Matthew 3:2; 4:17 NIV‬
Perhaps you first make sense with their message by telling us how near is 2,000 year ago yet the Kingdom has not come!

Bible EXPLAINS how spirits fights among themselves if you don't know ask for help!

FreeIgboho:
So what was the purpose of the war? Just talking back and forth?😅 So mighty warrior Angel Michael all he did was talk? Strange theology indeed. I.know you're not in the mood for jokes but you say such hilarious things!🤣

This your us vs them attitude is exactly what JW rulers want. They'd be congratulating themselves about you! What do you term "positive results"? Always agreeing with each other? Well, thinking human beings are NOT robots. Unless someone brainwashed them into being one!

FreeIgboho:
If the kingdom didn't come how do you explain the conversion of the known world powers to Christianity starting right then. The kingdom of heaven obviously started right then.

See below, the constantly shifting positions of the JW you keep asking me to go to for help:

Janosky:
John 17:11,22, Romans 15:6 & 1 Corinthians 1:10,11..
Oga ,who brainwashed who?

Right thinking humans led by God's spirit must speak with one voice & maintain cohesion.
That is what your Bible says. 1 Corinthians 14:33,40.
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Janosky:
Worship is EXCLUSIVE To Jehovah God NOT Jesus.[/b]

tctrills:
Exodus 3:12–14 in Hebrew and English
🔹 Exodus 3:12
וַיֹּאמֶר כִּי־אֶהְיֶה עִמָּךְ
"And He said, 'Indeed, I will be with you'"

"אֶהְיֶה" (Ehyeh) = “I will be”. This is the first-person imperfect of the verb היה (hayah), meaning “to be” or “to become.”

This is not only a promise of presence, but sets the tone for the divine name in verse 14.

Exodus 3:14
וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים אֶל־מֹשֶׁה
אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה
וַיֹּאמֶר כֹּה תֹאמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל
אֶהְיֶה שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם

"And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM.’ And He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the Israelites, “I AM has sent me to you.”’”

What Does “I AM” Mean in Hebrew?
🔸 "אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה" (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh)
Literal translation: “I will be who I will be”

This can also be translated:

“I am who I am”

“I will become what I choose to become”

“I am the One who is”

“I cause to be what I cause to be”

Ehyeh is a form of being — but it's dynamic, not static. It suggests existence, presence, and becoming. God is not just a fixed identity; He is active, self-defining, and ever-present.

1. John 8:58 — “Before Abraham was, I AM”
Greek: πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγὼ εἰμί
English: “Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Jesus does not say, “Before Abraham was, I was,” which would be grammatically expected.

Instead, He uses ἐγώ εἰμί (ego eimi), the Greek equivalent of “I AM” (אֶהְיֶה).

This is a clear and deliberate reference to Exodus 3:14, where God reveals Himself as “I AM.”

The Jewish listeners immediately understood this claim to divinity — that’s why they picked up stones to kill Him (John 8:59), because to them, it was blasphemy.

FreeIgboho:
Problem is, JW is not led by any God's spirit but by their rulers, whose shifting positions they dare not question under penalty of disfellowship.
Even the early apostles argued snd disagreed - that's what made them humans NOT brainwashed robots!

Your opinion can not change the holy scriptures.
You done remove John 16:16-18 ,1 Corinthians 14:33,40 , 1 Corinthians 1:10-11 & 1 Corinthians 13:9 from your Bible?
Jesus Christ have made his prayer point @ John 17:11,22.
Oga,go remove am from your Bible.

tctrills:
I Am, (Jesus Christ) has a Father. I don't get your point here. He never said He was fatherless. Please what is your point here?

Ruke1990:
We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here on nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many with plenty sophisticated verses from the scripture. Here is the thread below:

https://www.nairaland.com/8420353/jesus-god-why-did-he

Towards the end, the JW team fled. They stopped responding because they were rendered speechless

MaxInDHouse:
Who did Jesus prayed to? Luke 6:12
Who raised Jesus' dead body? Act 2:32

GothamCities:
Do you know that you only need to know this Jesus Christ in order to know this only true God? You don't need to know anything else to know God. Just know Jesus Christ. Why?

"Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER . How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" John 14:9

ichuka:
From genesis to revelation the main focus is Jesus Christ,there's no other name one can be saved, healed, cured and free from demonic attacks apart from The name JESUS CHRIST.
The names of the Father and Holy Spirit are all under the Canopy of the name jesus Christ.

Janosky:


Oga, how often do you study your Bible?

John 13:16 Jesus said
"Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him."

John 5:43 , Jesus said: I have come in the name of my Father "

John 17:11 Jesus said:
Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me"

Oga, use your Bible correct yourself.

Janosky:
John 8:24,28,58 .The God Almighty has no Father.
The God Almighty can NOT be taught by anyone.

John 4:24-26,God Almighty worshipped by the Jews NEVER teach them He would come as the Messiah.
John 4:26 & John 8:28,58, Jesus is the promised Messiah who existed before Abraham.

Oga,You Comprehend?

Janosky:
The Jews do NOT agree with your claim.
Screenshot evidence.

You can't give a meaning conflicting against how the native speakers of a language understand their language.

Also, the Exodus 3:12-14 Greek Septuagint did NOT support your claim.

Further, Jesus Christ teaching of John 4:25-26, John 8:24,28 conflicting against your claim about John 8:58.

Janosky:
Your opinion can not change the holy scriptures.
You done remove John 16:16-18 ,1 Corinthians 14:33,40 , 1 Corinthians 1:10-11 & 1 Corinthians 13:9 from your Bible?
Jesus Christ have made his prayer point @ John 17:11,22.e
Oga,go remove am from your Bible.

tctrills:
Your hypocrisy is so amazing. I remember about 2 years ago your fellow JW chap destroyed you here on Nairaland. He asked that we ignore you as your opinions did not represent the group.

FreeIgboho:
If the kingdom didn't come how do you explain the conversion of the known world powers to Christianity starting right then. The kingdom of heaven obviously started right then.

See below, the constantly shifting positions of the JW you keep asking me to go to for help:

Janosky:
Ruke think say him go fit change the holy scriptures.

FreeIgboho:
That's because that's what they tell you today. Tomorrow they may change their mind and you automatically follow suit - just like a robot! See below

FreeIgboho:
Problem is, JW is not led by any God's spirit but by their rulers, whose shifting positions they dare not question under penalty of disfellowship.
Even the early apostles argued snd disagreed - that's what made them humans NOT brainwashed robots!