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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkir: 4:26pm On Jun 27, 2025
Uprightness100:
One fact about the Children of ISRAEL

Their BOMBS has the ability to turn blood thirsty TERRORISTS / Supporter to a Pastor and peace agitator.

I Give it to ISRAEL. Na dem get una medicine.
grin grin grin
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 4:30pm On Jun 27, 2025
⚡Putin:

The West, under the pretext of Russia’s supposed aggressiveness, wants to rearm. Let them rearm.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkir: 4:31pm On Jun 27, 2025
FoolishBoy419:
Of course they won't support him. Convenient lies are still lies at the end of the day. I have no problem with pro-Israel news unless it is rife with lies and repetition. I can assure you that by next week, even pro Westerners will start blocking him.
I don dey reason the blocking sef
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Mikasaobi: 4:34pm On Jun 27, 2025
baqirshuayb:
Iranian Jews in active military uniforms taking part in a ceremony.
Some of them sacrificed their lives to protect Iran & it's people.
They fought bravely in Iraq-Iran war after Iraq invaded Iran.
Persian Jews are one of the oldest Jewish communities. This is why I was asking who’s the real chosen? Who would the battle god support? Since Iran won maybe they are the real deal.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by jjj37: 4:42pm On Jun 27, 2025
Who are these lunatics religious extremist littering this thread with nonsense. I thought this guys have their own thread to go do this self masturbation there.
Instead of you guys to go your various religious houses to thank God unbehalf of Isreal whom God didnt allow Iran to burn them alive using America & Gang, you guys are here blabbing.

My problem with Iran is just its inability to return madness with massive carnage.. The isrealis have indeed won the war with overwhelming outcomes to its favour.
What Iran did can now be interpreted as just gra gra, the only people that mean business as seen were the Israelis.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FoolishBoy419: 4:44pm On Jun 27, 2025
Alamkir:
I don dey reason the blocking sef
I have blocked two of his accounts so far but something told me to just play along for now. Let's see if he will change his ways
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 4:44pm On Jun 27, 2025
It's called "public forum" for a reason. It ain't your papa's parlour
If you can't tolerate, the grave is a fine and quiet place
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 4:47pm On Jun 27, 2025
⚡Putin:

Russia and the United States have good prospects for economic cooperation, American business is signaling its desire to return to the Russian market.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Watcharena: 4:47pm On Jun 27, 2025
FoolishBoy419:
I have blocked two of his accounts so far but something told me to just play along for now. Let's see if he will change his ways
if Na righteousness ebi like he has more than 77k accounts on this nairaland
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FoolishBoy419: 5:19pm On Jun 27, 2025
Looks like Iran will be buying 40 J-10 fighters from China. Any thoughts on this? They seem outdated to me.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FoolishBoy419: 5:19pm On Jun 27, 2025
Watcharena:
if Na righteousness ebi like he has more than 77k accounts on this nairaland
That's true o 😂😂😂😂

But no Wahala. I go block them all
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by basilico: 5:27pm On Jun 27, 2025
FoolishBoy419:
@Basilico I dare you to come and explain this to me like a 3-year old. I'm all ears

I don't believe it. Haaretz has made false claims in the past. I doubt such orders have been issued. Provide me the full transcript of what that solder revealed. Or forever hold your peace

Ethiopian Sterilization Claim: Haaretz alleged forced sterilization of Ethiopian women, later retracted as unsubstantiated.

October 7 Atrocity Stories: Haaretz debunked false "beheaded babies" claims but was accused of selective focus.

ZAKA Misconduct: Haaretz reported ZAKA’s unverified horror stories, criticized for undermining Israeli narratives without fabrication
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by basilico: 5:37pm On Jun 27, 2025
FoolishBoy419:
So you do know they have a new charter. That's a progress. Now how about I show you quotes from elected Israeli leaders calling for the extermination of Palestinians?
I have answered you just now . I got banned for quoting the Hamas charters of 2008 and 2017.

The Hamas charters of 1988 and 2017 outline the organization’s stance on Israel, reflecting significant differences in tone, rhetoric, and apparent pragmatism while maintaining core ideological goals. Below is a summary of what each charter says about Israel, based on available sources, addressing the first (1988) and second (2017) versions.
1988 Hamas Charter
The 1988 charter, issued on August 18, 1988, is a 36-article manifesto rooted in religious rhetoric and an uncompromising stance against Israel. Key points about Israel include:
Destruction of Israel as a Goal: The preamble explicitly states, “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it,” quoting Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. This frames the conflict as a religious struggle, with Israel’s elimination as a divine mandate.

Jihad as the Path: Article 6 declares Hamas’s intent to “raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine” through jihad (Islamic holy war), rejecting any secular or negotiated solution. Article 8 reinforces this, stating, “Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.”

Antisemitic Framing: The charter portrays the struggle as against “the Jews,” accusing them of global conspiracies, referencing the antisemitic forgery “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” (Article 32). It claims Jews challenge Islam and Muslims, with phrases like “Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people” (Article 28).

Rejection of Peace Negotiations: The charter dismisses peace initiatives, such as those by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), as incompatible with Hamas’s Islamic vision. It states that Palestine is an “Islamic endowment” (waqf) and cannot be ceded, rejecting any compromise like a two-state solution (Article 11).

Call for Liberation: The charter demands the “liberation” of all of historical Palestine (from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea), implying the dissolution of Israel as a state. It calls for Arab and Islamic nations to support this through jihad (Article 15).

The 1988 charter is overtly antisemitic, uncompromising, and focused on eliminating Israel through violent jihad, framing the conflict as a religious and existential battle.
2017 Hamas Charter
The 2017 charter, titled “A Document of General Principles and Policies,” was unveiled on May 1, 2017, in Doha by Khaled Mashal. It shifts to more pragmatic and nationalist language, softening some of the 1988 rhetoric while retaining core goals. Key points about Israel include:
Provisional Acceptance of 1967 Borders: The charter accepts “the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees” as a “formula of national consensus.” This implies a provisional acceptance of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza but does not explicitly recognize Israel’s legitimacy.

Anti-Zionist, Not Anti-Jewish: Unlike the 1988 charter, it removes antisemitic language, stating, “Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project, not with the Jews because of their religion” (Article 16). It blames Zionists for conflating Judaism with their “colonial project” and calls Zionism a “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project” (Article 14).

Continued Goal of Full Liberation: Despite the 1967 borders concession, the charter maintains the long-term goal of “the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea,” implying no permanent recognition of Israel (Article 20). It views a two-state solution as a temporary stage, not a final resolution.

Legitimacy of Armed Resistance: The charter justifies “armed resistance” against Israel as a “legitimate right” under international law to confront the “Zionist occupation” (Article 25). It rejects agreements like the Oslo Accords as incompatible with Palestinian rights and international law, calling Israel’s establishment “entirely illegal” (Article 18).

Non-Interference Clarification: The charter emphasizes that Hamas’s struggle is limited to Israel and the “Zionist project,” avoiding interference in other countries’ affairs, likely to appease regional powers like Egypt (Article 3
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FoolishBoy419: 5:40pm On Jun 27, 2025
basilico:
I don't believe it. Haaretz has made false claims in the past. I doubt such orders have been issued. Provide me the full transcript of what that solder revealed. Or forever hold your peace

Ethiopian Sterilization Claim: Haaretz alleged forced sterilization of Ethiopian women, later retracted as unsubstantiated.

October 7 Atrocity Stories: Haaretz debunked false "beheaded babies" claims but was accused of selective focus.

ZAKA Misconduct: Haaretz reported ZAKA’s unverified horror stories, criticized for undermining Israeli narratives without fabrication
Which media House has never been caught lying? Here is a report from Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/17/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-gaza-aid-06-17-2025/da07a62e-4b4d-11f0-8fff-262d6ec54ab9_story.html

Go ahead and justify it. I'm waiting
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 5:41pm On Jun 27, 2025
⚡Trump:

I would bomb Iran again without question if it turns out that Iran has uranium to the levels of enrichment to make a bomb.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FoolishBoy419: 5:43pm On Jun 27, 2025
basilico:
I have answered you just now . I got banned for quoting the Hamas charters of 2008 and 2017.
Don't bother yourself with that. I know much more about Hamas than you. Whatever their former or current objectives are, they're a direct result of Israeli atrocities which the whole world can see. Just justify the report below and tell me how Israel is not as bad as Boko Haram

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/17/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-gaza-aid-06-17-2025/da07a62e-4b4d-11f0-8fff-262d6ec54ab9_story.html
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Uprightness100(m): 5:44pm On Jun 27, 2025
Pay attention to the significant statement by ISRAELI Defense Minister:

"I have instructed the IDF to prepare an enforcement plan against Iran that includes: maintaining Israel's air superiority, preventing nuclear advancement and missile production, and responding to Iran for supporting terrorist activities against the State of Israel. We will act consistently to thwart such threats.

I suggest that the toothless head of the snake in Tehran understand and beware:
Operation 'Rising Lion' was just a preview of a new Israeli policy - after October 7, immunity is over.”

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Uprightness100(m): 5:48pm On Jun 27, 2025
The Mossad's Farsi X account posted an hour ago:

"Dear citizens of Iran, you know that every effort is made to ensure no harm comes to you.

Our war is against the oppressive regime of the Islamic Republic.

We would like to provide you with some guidelines to ensure your safety:

1. Please stay away from members of the Revolutionary Guards, especially senior officials.
2. Stay away from Revolutionary Guards bases, especially if you hear sounds resembling a lawnmower from the sky.
3. Avoid vehicles belonging to the regime.
4. If someone from the Revolutionary Guards in your vicinity suddenly contacts you by phone or sends you a message via a personal phone – please stay away from them.

Stay vigilant and protect yourselves – the leaders are hiding in well-protected bunkers and safeguarding themselves, but you are in danger. Please follow these instructions to save your lives."

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 5:53pm On Jun 27, 2025
⚡Trump:

I would bomb Iran again without question if it turns out that Iran has uranium to the levels of enrichment to make a bomb.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 5:57pm On Jun 27, 2025
WriteerNg:
⚡Trump:

I would bomb Iran again without question if it turns out that Iran has uranium to the levels of enrichment to make a bomb.
The is the reason why I said Iranians should not have come out to say they took their enrichment to a safe location. Everything about their nuclear programme now should be done in secret going forward.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Uprightness100(m): 6:06pm On Jun 27, 2025
IDF Spokesman:
We did not fire on civilians seeking aid in Gaza

The IDF is operating to allow and facilitate the distribution of humanitarian aid by the American “Gaza Humanitarian Foundation” (GHF), and to secure the routes leading to the distribution centers, in order to allow the aid to reach the civilians rather than Hamas.

We strongly reject the accusation by some in the media (Israel’s left-wing newspaper Haaretz) - the IDF did not instruct the forces to deliberately shoot at civilians, including those approaching the distribution centers. To be clear, IDF directives prohibit deliberate attacks on civilians.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 6:16pm On Jun 27, 2025
FoolishBoy419:
Looks like Iran will be buying 40 J-10 fighters from China. Any thoughts on this? They seem outdated to me.
Until they arrive, do not hold out hope.

Iran is a certified tire kicker.




To your follow-up question:
The J-10 is the best fighter jet Iran can lay its hands on today.
Russia, for various reasons, will be unable to hand Iran 3 to 4 squadrons of the Su-35 within a short timeframe.
Never mind the Su-57.
If it could, it would have already done so. Iran placed an order for Su-35s, trained pilots, built underground hangars for the jets.
Iran is still waiting.

The workhorse of the IAF are actually fourth-gen and earlier jets.
F-35I is the flagship, but they only have three squadrons.
They can only field 2 squadrons at any time. So they always have to deploy their fourth generation aircrafts.

The J-10C, with talented pilots, can go toe to toe with every fighter jet in Israel's inventory except the F-35I.
Combined with 5+ S-400 Air Defense Systems blanketing Iran, Iran becomes a fortress.
They need both. One without the other is incomplete.
Iran's capable indigenous Air Defense systems will augment and protect the S-400.
Iran's ADs are good enough to be supplementary, but they are incapable of being a first line of defense.

Iran did not deploy the full might of its air force in this war.
So its older airframes that would have been wiped out had they engaged with the IAF in the 12-day war would have a role when there are more layers of protection. They will hunt for drones and carry out strikes against infiltrators, enemy agents, and special operators.
They would also free up Iran's use of its own drones within Iran for added security.
Think several Mohajer-10s always airborne over the core areas of Tehran and high-value assets across the country during wartime.
Identify a sabotage unit, fire away immediately. Practical air borne snipers.




4 squadrons is the minimum they need.
China produces 100+ J-20s per year. That's the more complex 5th generator fighter.
So Iran should be able to get the 40 J-10C in under a year, if they press, agree to pay a premium, and China is willing.

J-10C first. Then beg China to transfer a handful of J-20s. Then J-35s next year at the earliest (China currently has one squadron as of last count, so Iran would have to be patient).
Hire Pakistani pilots in the interim while Iranian pilots get familiar with the air frame and gain experience.

In my assessment, I will make the argument that Israel will push for a round 2 soon.
The longer it delays, the stronger Iran will become (assuming it promptly checks off its to-do list).
Iran will not stop at fixing its deficiencies. It will seek to gain capabilities that will give it the option to pre-emptively attack Israel.
That seems fanciful and like a bad joke today, but if China or Russia were in Iran's shoes right now, that would be a certainty.
So it is possible. BUT the Mullahs and the IRGC flag officer class do not inspire the confidence to definitively predict a timeline for that.

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 6:24pm On Jun 27, 2025
WritterNg:
⚡Trump:

I would bomb Iran again without question if it turns out that Iran has uranium to the levels of enrichment to make a bomb.
The confused trump is only saying it to save face since cnn said he actually achieved nothing in the strike grin
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 6:33pm On Jun 27, 2025
Pakistan is set to receive frigates and submarines from China.

Iranian generals (with their hubris) and the political class (who knows how much blame they should correctly shoulder) royally f*cked up.
If they don't make a U-turn and start deepening ties with China especially after all China has done for them.
I hope they meet more Israeli missiles and assassins.

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by HolinessForever: 6:33pm On Jun 27, 2025
Trump:

"Since Khamenei didn’t THANK me for saving him from DEATH, I’m canceling the easing of sanctions on Iran."


grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 6:37pm On Jun 27, 2025
FoolishBoy419:
Looks like Iran will be buying 40 J-10 fighters from China. Any thoughts on this? They seem outdated to me.
If they can go for the J-10C which is considered a 4.5 gen aircraft with the PL15-E missiles with a mixture of J-35 from China too they will be ok.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 6:43pm On Jun 27, 2025
FoolishBoy419:
Looks like Iran will be buying 40 J-10 fighters from China. Any thoughts on this? They seem outdated to me.
I don't know the capacity of j - 10 but anything better than what they currently have is good. I think finance is also an issue, so they should buy what they can afford.

I said this in the beganing of Iran-Israel war that Iran desperately needs fighter jet to secure their space but WriterrNg said it doesn't matter
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