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naptu2:
That's not what that means. It means that all references to "governor" will apply to president and or minister. It means that the president and minister will have the power of a governor with respect to federal land.

This is basic knowledge.

Which "governor" does the minister of the FCT "refer" to?

The FCT minister is the defacto governor of Abuja and exercise all the powers of a Governor.

Now are you insinuating that the act gives a minister of power the powers to give C of Os, governors consent, give building permits and collect ground rents in states without any reference to state governments?

wirinet:
The FCT minister is the defacto governor of Abuja and exercise all the powers of a Governor.

Now are you insinuating that the act gives a minister of power the powers to give C of Os, governors consent, give building permits and collect ground rents in states without any reference to state governments?

The act clearly states, in simple English, that the powers of the governor in respect of land shall apply to the president or minister with respect to federal land.

I hope you know why the word land is in bold above.

Read it again.

(2) The powers of a Governor under this Act shall, in respect of land comprised in
the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, or any land held or vested in the Federal Government in any State, be exercisable by the President or any Minister designated by him in that behalf and references in this Act to Governor shall be construed accordingly.

This is very basic knowledge.

Wirinet. Maybe I need to break it into 2.

The powers of a Governor under this Act shall, in respect of land comprised in
the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, or any land held or vested in the Federal Government in any State, be exercisable by the President or any Minister designated by him

This means that the president or minister has the power of a governor (in respect of federal land).

and references in this Act to Governor shall be construed accordingly.

This means that anywhere that the governor is referred to in the act, you can take it to mean president or minister (when dealing with federal land).

DonMarkuzi:
Some people were already rejoicing calling some people all sorts of names on a case that's subjucide.

Is this not what should have happened. Obi raked up political issues out of it. Fight between two people that happen everyday in courts and we are being disturbed. People should slow down on this presidency thing.

Danisaint112:
You guys still buy lands and build in Lagos. Wow some people get mind sha.

Allow them make dem dey mumu. After I saw the way tribalism has eaten into the folks in the SW, I decided to sell all my properties there. RIght now, all I have is a few properties in Badagry which I'll dispose of before the end of this year. If I want to invest outside my region, the SS is always available

YourKarma:
Allow them make dem dey mumu. After I saw the way tribalism has eaten into the folks in the SW, I decided to sell all my properties there. RIght now, all I have is a few properties in Badagry which I'll dispose of before the end of this year. If I want to invest outside my region, the SS is always available

Thats my point. Lagos should not be an option for any peace loving Nigerian. Friends I know have also sold theirs. With time many Igbos will come to realize that Lagos is not for them.

Alexis11:
Reading through that his broadcast on twitter, even if we put politics aside, it's pretty obvious that Obi is really a very terrible human being.

In one post, you whip up tribal sentiment, and then strongly discourage people from investing in Nigeria. A whole former presidential candidate for that matter!

That man is an extremely dangerous and divisive figure. He causes chaos and division everywhere he goes, just like he did between Catholics and Anglicans during his time as governor.

bless you for this the clarifier!

casualobserver:
Many people commenting do not understand the land sale process or what each land document means.

Only the original owner of a piece of land can have a Cof O. I repeat: only the original owner of the land can have a cofO!

If you buy any land after a Cof O has been issued all you can ever have is a governors consent. A governor's consent is transfer of ownership. A CofO is only issued only once and will only ever bear the name of the original owner! a Cof o establishes original ownership!

The fact that Obi claims to have a governors consent based on a deed of assignment based on title originating in Ibadan despite the fact that the land had been acquired by the Federal Govt and Ibadan was no longer the land registry for Ikeja since 1967 tells me it was a fraudulent sale and he was scammed!

The fact that this woman has a Cof O means that in the eyes of the Lagos state, she is the “original” owner of the land! by original, it means she is the first person to buy that land after the promulgation of the land use act!

Let me once again define “original owner” in the context of GRA Ikeja!

The real original owner would likely have been a family. However the property as part of an expanse of land was acquired by the government to build an estate later to be called GRA Ikeja! At this point, whatever title and ownership of the historical original owners of the land became invalid! They are no longer the original owners, they no longer exist. They may have had documents registered in Ibadan which was then the land registry covering Ikeja as at the time Ikeja was part of the old western region. However those documents became invalid upon compulsory acquisition by the govt. Nonetheless there would be historical records at the Ibadan registry notwithstanding that they no longer own the land following govt acquisition!

You are the original owner if either 1) you owned the land before the land use act and have never sold it or 2) you are the 1st person to purchase the land after the land use act. Only no2 can have a Cof O!


The land and property in dispute was owned by the federal govt and housed civil servants for decades. Likely from pre independence to 2003.

In the 1970s, the new land use act was promulgated which birthed the issuance of certificates of occupancy. So since this land was owned by the federal govt and was not sold to the public until 2003, the 1st and only CofO would only be issued to the 1st purchasers after the birthing of the land use act!- That sale happened in 2003! Like I explained, that is the only person that can ever have a Cof O for that land.

So how was Obi able to buy the land? Like I said the historical owners had title documents registered in Ibadan before the acquisition. Those title documents had become invalid with the acquisition of the entire parcel of land called GRA but would still exist at the land registry at Ibadan. If the vendor was still in possesion if those invalid documents and can whip up a good story as to why Ibadan is the place to verify then he can scam you. Please ask anyone who knows about Ibadan land registry matters. I have seen with my own eyes where there are multiple validly registered deeds of purchase for the same land at Ibadan registry. Below is the plotting of 3 different deeds of assignment all validly registered at the same time at the Ibadan lands registry. One of them belonged to my Dad. The second picture is a portion of our registered title at the same registry. You can see that some portions of land are covered under 2 title deeds and some under 3! Imagine 3 people having valid registered title for the same land. Welcome to Ibadan land registry! If I were a dubious person and wanted to sell my fathers land to you today I could and you wouldn’t be any wiser if you went to verify at Ibadan land registry. The registry will only validate the document you present. Unless you are aware of the other registered titles on the same land, you won’t know about their existence! It was an eye opening experience and it taught me a valid lesson, never to buy land unless it is from the government or at least that the safest land is that purchased from the government.

All a dubious vendor has to do was to present his invalid title and tell Obi the Ikeja land title was obtained when ikeja was part of western region so go and validate in Ibadan lands registry!

wirinet:
Re-read again - any land held or vested in the federal government, and references to Governor shall be construed accordingly.

Meaning the FG cannot give C of Os without reference to Governors.

This is not the correct interpretation of that quote though.

naptu2:
This means that the president or minister has the power of a governor (in respect of federal land).



This means that anywhere that the governor is referred to in the act, you can take it to mean president or minister (when dealing with federal land).

dont waste your time with the guy, he is not intelligent at all. i showed an example of a govt gazette to show that when govt acuires land using the example of the land for Unilag in 1962, they will gazette it. The uneducated kindergarten started arguing that the federal govt acquired the Unilag land from lagos state. wheras the gazette clearly stated that that 1)Yaba was then under federal territory of Lagos and secondly there was no lagos state in 1962! they say if you want to hide something from a Nigerian put it in writing. I eventually blocked him. i just happened to see his name at the beginng of your post. you are engaging someone with a block of wood between his ears!

land owned by the federal government is not under the jurisdiction of the state government. It is only when they sell the land that it falls under the jurisdiction of the state Govt. This is why when the Federal govt sells you federal owned land outside Abuja they will issue a federal c0f O, you have to go to the state govt to regularise and obtain a state CofO.



49. Exemption with respect to Federal Government lands, etc. Return to Main
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(1) nothing in this Act shall affect any title to land whether developed or undeveloped
held by the Federal Government or any agency of the Federal Government at the
commencement of this Act and, accordingly, any such land shall continue to vest in the
Federal Government or the agency concerned.
(2) In this section, "agency" includes any statutory corporation or any other statutory
body (whether corporate or unincorporated) or any company wholly-owned by the
Federal Government.

Ikeja GRA is government reserved Area which means the land was acquired by the govt. if you bought land in any area called GRA based on a pre government-acquisition cancelled title, that sale is invalid. Any sale of land in GRA post acquisition by the govt and post 1978 must start with a CofO.

casualobserver:
dont waste your time with the guy, he is not intelligent at all. i showed an example of a govt gazette to show that when govt acuires land using the example of the land for Unilag in 1962, they will gazette it. The uneducated kindergarten started arguing that the federal govt acquired the Unilag land from lagos state. wheras the gazette clearly stated that that 1)Yaba was then under federal territory of Lagos and secondly there was no lagos state in 1962! they say if you want to hide something from a Nigerian put it in writing. I eventually blocked him. i just happened to see his name at the beginng of your post. you are engaging someone with a block of wood between his ears!

land owned by the federal government is not under the jurisdiction of the state government. It is only when they sell the land that it falls under the jurisdiction of the state Govt. This is why when the Federal govt sells you federal owned land outside Abuja they will issue a federal c0f O, you have to go to the state govt to regularise and obtain a state CofO.



49. Exemption with respect to Federal Government lands, etc. Return to Main
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(1) nothing in this Act shall affect any title to land whether developed or undeveloped
held by the Federal Government or any agency of the Federal Government at the
commencement of this Act and, accordingly, any such land shall continue to vest in the
Federal Government or the agency concerned.
(2) In this section, "agency" includes any statutory corporation or any other statutory
body (whether corporate or unincorporated) or any company wholly-owned by the
Federal Government.

Ikeja GRA is government reserved Area which means the land was acquired by the govt. if you bought land in any area called GRA based on a pre government-acquisition cancelled title, that sale is invalid. Any sale of land in GRA post acquisition by the govt and post 1978 must start with a CofO.

Detailed. Well done

agabusta:
Detailed. Well done

Fresh revelations, the matter has taken a twist o!

See my latest post on the matter here

https://www.nairaland.com/8461978/obi-raises-alarm-someone-erects/3#135918441

Peter Obi is the purported owner of the land and not his "brother" as he claimed.

Can you see where it says federal government gazette? The land in question is the blue dot. The gazette was from 1946. Like I said to that numb skull who I blocked (I can’t type his name because I won’t see my own post) whenever a government acquires land it is gazetted! The land originally belonged to the federal govt, what happened after, at this point I really don’t know. Whether it belonged to Mr Hocquart I don’t know, whether it was still the property of the federal govt when they sold it to Mrs olorunlogbon I don’t know. But it was originally federal govt acquired land!

Obi’s title chain claims the land was sold to Mr Hocquart by Adeola Odeku. Whether that sale was legitimate or not I can’t say. I told you the story of a plot of land my father bought in Ibadan that we later discovered had 3 registered titles at the land registry? The person who sold the land to my father was a prominent high ranking member of the Ibadan elite just like Adeola Odeku in Lagos. So clearly land raqueeteering was the order of the day amongst the elite of the day.

Cc: agabusta

Danisaint112:
Thats my point. Lagos should not be an option for any peace loving Nigerian. Friends I know have also sold theirs. With time many Igbos will come to realize that Lagos is not for them.

The earlier they realize this, the better for them

gidgiddy:
How do you know he was aware when his Lawyer said they only knew of the court judgement when they arrived for demolition?

This group is a lying machine.
And u have to be very slow to take whatever any lawyer says. Lawyers find a way to create a case, even when there is no case; that's part of their job is to lie.
Common on now!

004gist:
Why go to seek court case without informing the occupants or serving them papers?
Why will a court issue judgement without the accuse hearing?

Theu did try and serve the (illegal) occupants of the property and ask them to identify themselves but they refused either.

They were obviously aware of the court case and the final order as not only did they not repeatedly attend, they had run off by the time the bulldozer arrived to enforce the court order.

crixlight2:
You people are so devilish and full of deceitful, you must blame government and yoruba for everything, even when the lawyer said the federal C of O of that land was obtained in 2021, so Tinubu don plan to demolish the place even when he never win APC ticket?

You need to see what's happening to these people, in Ghana at the moment.
When a group of people choose to be collectively crooked and fraudulent, others will do everything to keep them at arms length.
" Igbo must go is trending in Ghana ".

jpworld:
Tinubu has seriously influenced most yoruba youth deep into tribalism.

Nobody is reasoning properly anymore.

Yoruba could be anything but stupid?, eye don open since the days of Alafins.
Oko kii je ti baba t'omo ko ma ni aala.
No matter how close we are, what's your is yours, and so what's mine remains mine.
Ko je bo se je.

004gist:
I believe u are enjoying tinubu government? Just as u enjoyed Buhari government?

Hope u are happy with daily hardship in Nigeria?

If obi present a clear pathway on how to solve Nigerians problems why not give him a chance?

Tinubu is here are u happy the way things are going?

Stop the emotional blackmail, only the presidential ticket, of a major political party, can give any politician a better chance of winning a presidential election.
Obi was a member of PDP, why did he fled before the primaries?, all he needed to do is lock horns with the gladiators in PDP.
Obi didn't even try he fled.
Meanwhile Tinubu who was faced with all kinds of obstacle, envy hate sabotage, and even poor health, during that period, against all odds fought his way through to get the presidential ticket, of a party that carried his logo.
Obi knows the truth, his followers like you are the ones who aren't decoding the cipher.
Politics is a game of chess the earlier Obi stops pretending and start playing, the better for him and his followers.

7lives:
Stop the emotional blackmail, only the presidential ticket, of a major political party, can give any politician a better chance of winning a presidential election.
Obi was a member of PDP, why did he fled before the primaries?, all he needed to do is lock horns with the gladiators in PDP.
Obi didn't even try he fled.
Meanwhile Tinubu who was faced with all kinds of obstacle, envy hate sabotage, and even poor health, during that period, against all odds fought his way through to get the presidential ticket, of a party that carried his logo.
Obi knows the truth, his followers like you are the ones who aren't decoding the cipher.
Politics is a game of chess the earlier Obi stops pretending and start playing, the better for him and his followers.

Hope u are enjoying the killing in benue? Kidnapping everywhere? Hunger and starvation everywhere? High cost of living?

Peter Gringory Obi should have developed Onitsha so his brother can build a house there instead of building in Tinubu's Lagos.