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ElevationD:
Can you please show me the lie in all that I said Mr. Indian man? Don’t overstay your welcome, yet you have Indians who have long overstayed their welcome in African countries and still remain there. Such hypocrisy!

Is the reality on the streets in India the same as your google based submission? Or as an Indian national you rely also on google to inform you about happenings on the streets of the country? Do Africans especially have any regard in the eyes of Indian authorities right there in India?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself. You are certainly a Nigerian, who is poorly informed of real events on the streets of India. Your idea of immigration is very well lacking in all real proofs. At best you can only be an Indian who left his “civilization” in search of better living in Nigeria.

Indians fight a war to preserve their civilization and yet venture away from their own country, with their so called civilization to other countries. If it was so good out there in the country, why venture away in such magnitude? Indians can keep their civilization to themselves and let others stay peacefully in their nations.

While Indians are not Africans, you find Indians everywhere in Africa, securing African citizenships with ease. Please tell us how many Africans have obtained Indian citizenships in the last decade, as referenced by you. Can you please tell us how many Nigerians, central, north and South Africans who have obtained Indian citizenship in the last decade? You can also google that.

Which African country was spared the “millenniums” of ruling by foreigners? All African countries suffered the effects of colonialism. Now it is the invasion of Indians and other nations.

We know the issue with Naxalism, which is not common to India only. We know about long standing issue with Pakistan. We know that the rise in Hindu nationalism has been an issue with the minority Muslims and Christians. We know about the issue in Manipur and ISIS.But these all pale in significance to what happens in West Africa, yet it is far easier to obtain citizenships in African countries for Indians.

Truthfully, I am not in the position to dictate to the Indian government about their immigration rules. However I am entitled to my opinion about certain worrisome aspects. Shutting the mouth in the face of such concerns becomes an issue of its own. If people shut their mouths, then leaders carry on as they wish.

If you googled the Indian immigration policies, how were you not able to also look up the Nigerian immigration or citizenship rules. For your information the rules are made flexible inspite of the duration, enabling foreigners take their time to regularize their documents after the long stay. No one is ever molested, except they are caught in criminal acts. Nowadays it is common for Indian FRRO to pick up Africans at random, detain and deport them, even if their are not found in any criminal act.

I talk about insurgency in India and you say Hindu nationalism? And then you want me to take you seriously?

As for your point any Indians getting citizenship in African countries easily, well like I said before. You guys should sort this out with your own governments. You people are well within your rights to refuse Indians seeking citizenship in your country. Same for the Chinese or Lebanese. I know that both India and Africa have suffered foreign occupation. That is why I come to this forum. To learn more about Nigerian struggles. So that we may see eye to eye when it comes to defeating the nefarious designs of our old enemies. Yet all I find here regarding India is half truths or bold faced lies about my country, and therefore I try to correct, to provide context. What you call Hindu nationalism, is a boogeyman label given by the West to the Indian movement that is spearheading our civilizational revival. What will follow is a churn. Where India will look inwards and try to rediscover its roots. We don't have the intent to allow immigrants of even more foreign cultures into our land especially when we are having this introspection, this churn. Especially when the enemy is trying to infiltrate and disrupt this process by any means necessary because that is how they weakened us in the first place.

If anything, Africans should be having their own Cultural revival, similar to the so called Hindu nationalism movement. But for that, you need to look past Western and Globalist propaganda and understand what is actually happening in India. Which is difficult even for those like me, let alone a foreigner. Similar propaganda is wielded against many African nations to destroy the cultural revival of African nations. I would rather welcome that you guys send the Indian immigrants to your nations back to India. As long as you are doing it properly and with a goal in mind of overthrowing Western hegemony and resisting Chinese hegemony. I want to see a truly multipolar world. Look at my previous posts on this forum. That is what I have always said. Oh, and you're wrong brother. I'm not Nigerian. I am fully Indian. Never left India. Ever. Check all my posts, you'll realize it.

As for why Indians leave "if we have it so good here in India," who said we have it good? 16% of our population is still in poverty as per the UN report on MPI 2022. But material wealth is not the main factor in our bid to introspect, in the churn, in our quest for Hindutva. Stop conflating the two. This introspection is only beginning right now. It will go on for more than a century at least. I feel like you have no idea what I'm talking about. Not your fault though, you're saturated by anti India propaganda from globalist media outlets.

My point tl;dr is very simple. Nigeria and India should both set their citizenship rules solely with their respective national grand strategies in mind. India is doing this already, to an extent. Don't know about Nigeria.

And please, stop with the Google trope. I asked you to Google Sonia Gandhi after your claims of for unfair Indians take PM position in UK but no foreigner will ever get close to that power in Indian politics. Sonia is a direct antithesis to your argument. You are the one who needs to Google it up. Not me. I already got tired of hearing her speak Hindi with that funny accent in the 10 years before Modi.

DeathParade:
I talk about insurgency in India and you say Hindu nationalism? And then you want me to take you seriously?

As for your point any Indians getting citizenship in African countries easily, well like I said before. You guys should sort this out with your own governments. You people are well within your rights to refuse Indians seeking citizenship in your country. Same for the Chinese or Lebanese. I know that both India and Africa have suffered foreign occupation. That is why I come to this forum. To learn more about Nigerian struggles. So that we may see eye to eye when it comes to defeating the nefarious designs of our old enemies. Yet all I find here regarding India is half truths or bold faced lies about my country, and therefore I try to correct, to provide context. What you call Hindu nationalism, is a boogeyman label given by the West to the Indian movement that is spearheading our civilizational revival. What will follow is a churn. Where India will look inwards and try to rediscover its roots. We don't have the intent to allow immigrants of even more foreign cultures into our land especially when we are having this introspection, this churn. Especially when the enemy is trying to infiltrate and disrupt this process by any means necessary because that is how they weakened us in the first place.

If anything, Africans should be having their own Cultural revival, similar to the so called Hindu nationalism movement. But for that, you need to look past Western and Globalist propaganda and understand what is actually happening in India. Which is difficult even for those like me, let alone a foreigner. Similar propaganda is wielded against many African nations to destroy the cultural revival of African nations. I would rather welcome that you guys send the Indian immigrants to your nations back to India. As long as you are doing it properly and with a goal in mind of overthrowing Western hegemony and resisting Chinese hegemony. I want to see a truly multipolar world. Look at my previous posts on this forum. That is what I have always said. Oh, and you're wrong brother. I'm not Nigerian. I am fully Indian. Never left India. Ever. Check all my posts, you'll realize it.

As for why Indians leave "if we have it so good here in India," who said we have it good? 16% of our population is still in poverty as per the UN report on MPI 2022. But material wealth is not the main factor in our bid to introspect, in the churn, in our quest for Hindutva. Stop conflating the two. This introspection is only beginning right now. It will go on for more than a century at least. I feel like you have no idea what I'm talking about. Not your fault though, you're saturated by anti India propaganda from globalist media outlets.

My point tl;dr is very simple. Nigeria and India should both set their citizenship rules solely with their respective national grand strategies in mind. India is doing this already, to an extent. Don't know about Nigeria.

And please, stop with the Google trope. I asked you to Google Sonia Gandhi after your claims of for unfair Indians take PM position in UK but no foreigner will ever get close to that power in Indian politics. Sonia is a direct antithesis to your argument. You are the one who needs to Google it up. Not me. I already got tired of hearing her speak Hindi with that funny accent in the 10 years before Modi.

At least your tone is more respectful now than your previous response.

Without having clear knowledge of India, I would never dare talk about the country. Please note that my father had business transactions with Indian companies and individuals since the 1970s, importing bicycles from India and selling in Nigeria. Also he has other Indian associates in England, who engaged in the trade of rice, frozen fish and spare parts for vehicles. We have a long business and personal relationships with Indians, so I know what I am talking about.

I make the comment about Hindu nationalism, not in a derogatory manner or disrespectfully, but in response to your comment about insurgency in India. It was simply to let you know that when put on a scale with insurgencies in West Africa particularly, the measure is clear, in that it is worse far worse on this side. However, the fact of the issues about cultural values, has not swept aside the challenges with the minorities in the country. It is glaring for all to see, aside from other forms of groups troubling the areas previously mentioned.

Sure, African nations are beginning to wake up to the realization of the many years of abuse from foreign nations. However, it must be noted that there is a form of neo colonialism going on presently with Asians getting deeply involved. Indians play a major role, just like the Chinese. Africans are beginning to take a look at the erosion of the cultural values and civilization by foreign nations, beginning with the tampering with their religious beliefs. Hopefully you have heard several times that some of the world’s rarest earth minerals are found in Africa. Why should Asians, Europeans and Americans sleep, when they know that Africans can be exploited endlessly?

I am not too particular about that. But I have insisted that for the sake of fairness, immigration rules should be with some human face in India. Granted that Indians want to retain their culture and civilization, consideration must be given to foreigners who for legitimate reasons overstay they visas. It is the practice everywhere you go. If there is no way to change that, then the Dubai model can be applied, with foreigners allowed visas of 5 - 10 years. The same applies in Malaysia, where foreigners can apply for 10 years visas if they meet the required financial standard. That way, FRRO does not have to run around the streets with their tiny jeeps looking for those to arrest and deport for flimsy excuses.

The fact remains that relationships between two or more nations cannot and must not be conducted on the bases of biases, with one nation wanting to lock out people from other nations, residing in their own country to either work, or do genuine businesses. You cannot say that it is up to us to make our decision to lock Indians out of our country, when daily at the newspaper stands on the streets of India, your citizens are seeking for job opportunities everywhere. Nigeria is a prime target because salaries are able to pay their bills in Nigeria and more than enough can be remitted to India to keep the family going. You cannot be protecting your civilization on one hand and expect to export same civilization to my own country, benefitting from my country and not wanting me to profit from yours. Certainly that’s improper. Again, India is not a hamit nation like China before the turn of the 18th century.

I made reference to google because you first mention it to me. You asked me to research Sonia Ghandi and I responded to you. What you do not know is that I followed Jawaharlal Nehru and the Ghandis in history for many years, studying their brands of politics and leadership. There’s nothing to tell me about Sonia Ghandi, as I followed her personally, including the entire Ghandi family, starting with Mohandas Karamchad Ghandi. I can discuss the Ghandis all day.

ElevationD:
We have a long business and personal relationships with Indians, so I know what I am talking about..

No, you don't. Read on to see how much of a rookie you are bro.

ElevationD:
I made reference to google because you first mention it to me. You asked me to research Sonia Ghandi and I responded to you. What you do not know is that I followed Jawaharlal Nehru and the Ghandis in history for many years, studying their brands of politics and leadership. There’s nothing to tell me about Sonia Ghandi, as I followed her personally, including the entire Ghandi family, starting with Mohandas Karamchad Ghandi. I can discuss the Ghandis all day.

You have very little idea what you are talking about. This is apparent from two different instances in your post above:
1.) Its Gandhi, not Ghandi.
2.) The Mahatma Gandhi (Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi) and the in-laws of Sonia Gandhi (i.e the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty) are completely unrelated. They just happen to have the same last name.

The mistakes you made above are usually made by total rookies who have never read about Indian 20th century history. I can't take your claims about "knowing it all" seriously when you make rookie mistakes.

ElevationD:
The fact remains that relationships between two or more nations cannot and must not be conducted on the bases of biases, with one nation wanting to lock out people from other nations, residing in their own country to either work, or do genuine businesses. You cannot say that it is up to us to make our decision to lock Indians out of our country, when daily at the newspaper stands on the streets of India, your citizens are seeking for job opportunities everywhere. Nigeria is a prime target because salaries are able to pay their bills in Nigeria and more than enough can be remitted to India to keep the family going. You cannot be protecting your civilization on one hand and expect to export same civilization to my own country, benefitting from my country and not wanting me to profit from yours. Certainly that’s improper. Again, India is not a hamit nation like China before the turn of the 18th century.

We can and we will. A visa or a naturalization citizenship is not your Right. Its a privilege. India extends this privilege at its own discretion. Nobody stopped Nigeria from doing the same. If Indians are out in the world seeking economic opportunities wherever they can find, that is their right. And you and your country are well within their rights to allow or deny this opportunity to the Indians within the borders of your own nation state.

This is not called being selfish. If there is a person, say his name is ABC. If ABC has opened his house to all those who want to visit it and is giving everyone the permission to freely roam around inside his house for 5 days, then if you benefit from that by visiting his house, that is your resourcefulness. Now if ABC starts demanding that you should also open your house similarly, what will be your reaction? It will be "no" of course. And then if ABC starts calling you "selfish"? Won't you tell ABC that he is free to not open his house to everyone but not free to dictate how your house should be run?

Visa is a privilege. Stop acting entitled. Instead, grow a backbone and learn to say NO to the countries who you think are exploiting Africa. This is how we Indians are doing it too. We have learnt to say NO firmly, be it USA asking that we allow their Pfizer vaccine or Monsato GMO seeds or Amnesty International in, or be it China wanting access to our market to supply Chinese equipment to security critical sectors like Indian Telecom and Power Grid. We Indians say NO to the faces of the Imperial, neo colonial nations. I'd be pretty happy if Africans and Nigerians learnt to say NO instead of being victims and then lashing out and calling others selfish. For a multi polar world, or its critical that the exploitation of Africa stops. That Africa learns how to say NO.

Unlike USA or China, India is not conducting state sponsored exploitation of Africa. If there are Indians that are taking advantage of the gaps in your system, its their personal agenda, not the agenda of all Indians. Case in point, the Gupta family accused of State Capture in South Africa. The Indian government did not protect this family. They instead complied with the requests of the South African government and raided the assets of the Gupta family in India. Imagine the Americans or Chinese doing that. They won't. Yet you people club India together with the imperialist nations of USA and China. You forget that unlike USA or China, India has no deep state. That India is just like Nigeria. Individually, Indians might be nefarious and selfish, but the entire nation of India isn't so.

DeathParade:
No, you don't. Read on to see how much of a rookie you are bro.



You have very little idea what you are talking about. This is apparent from two different instances in your post above:
1.) Its Gandhi, not Ghandi.
2.) The Mahatma Gandhi (Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi) and the in-laws of Sonia Gandhi (i.e the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty) are completely unrelated. They just happen to have the same last name.

The mistakes you made above are usually made by total rookies who have never read about Indian 20th century history. I can't take your claims about "knowing it all" seriously when you make rookie mistakes.


We can and we will. A visa or a naturalization citizenship is not your Right. Its a privilege. India extends this privilege at its own discretion. Nobody stopped Nigeria from doing the same. If Indians are out in the world seeking economic opportunities wherever they can find, that is their right. And you and your country are well within their rights to allow or deny this opportunity to the Indians within the borders of your own nation state.

This is not called being selfish. If there is a person, say his name is ABC. If ABC has opened his house to all those who want to visit it and is giving everyone the permission to freely roam around inside his house for 5 days, then if you benefit from that by visiting his house, that is your resourcefulness. Now if ABC starts demanding that you should also open your house similarly, what will be your reaction? It will be "no" of course. And then if ABC starts calling you "selfish"? Won't you tell ABC that he is free to not open his house to everyone but not free to dictate how your house should be run?

Visa is a privilege. Stop acting entitled. Instead, grow a backbone and learn to say NO to the countries who you think are exploiting Africa. This is how we Indians are doing it too. We have learnt to say NO firmly, be it USA asking that we allow their Pfizer vaccine or Monsato GMO seeds or Amnesty International in, or be it China wanting access to our market to supply Chinese equipment to security critical sectors like Indian Telecom and Power Grid. We Indians say NO to the faces of the Imperial, neo colonial nations. I'd be pretty happy if Africans and Nigerians learnt to say NO instead of being victims and then lashing out and calling others selfish. For a multi polar world, or its critical that the exploitation of Africa stops. That Africa learns how to say NO.

Unlike USA or China, India is not conducting state sponsored exploitation of Africa. If there are Indians that are taking advantage of the gaps in your system, its their personal agenda, not the agenda of all Indians. Case in point, the Gupta family accused of State Capture in South Africa. The Indian government did not protect this family. They instead complied with the requests of the South African government and raided the assets of the Gupta family in India. Imagine the Americans or Chinese doing that. They won't. Yet you people club India together with the imperialist nations of USA and China. You forget that unlike USA or China, India has no deep state. That India is just like Nigeria. Individually, Indians might be nefarious and selfish, but the entire nation of India isn't so.

Stop beating about the bush please. I am very certain what I am talking about, except you want to keep telling yourself that lie. Once again, I can stand you cannot lecture me on Indian culture, people and history. You can elect to discuss it face to face with me. Go to the streets and know what it feels like in the streets, with FRRO chasing and arresting both the innocent and guilty. If the same is visited on Indians in Africa, how will it feel?

Whether it is Gandhi or Ghandi, it remains the same family that I am talking about. If there’s a rookie here, it is you. You can only tell uninformed people that Nehru and the Ghandis are unrelated, or you just want to use it to fill the pages. Those of us who are not Indians know it.

Unfortunately, you do not know that aside from Indians, there are people who have followed the history of not just the Indian nation, but the rest of Asia, not just by reading only, but physically visiting. Once again, I put it to you that there’s absolutely nothing that you want to tell me about the Indian nation, people and culture. I have not only read Indian history, I have followed Indian history, people and culture, pre and post colonialism.

That said, stop deceiving yourself. If Indians have been saying NO to countries that have rejected them visa application, they will not repeated find their way back to Nigeria or other African countries, where they find more favorable financial packages than they find in India. Please ask anyone walking the streets of Delhi, Mumbai, or even Chandigarh, if Indian citizens do not spend a lot of time eating chapati, with coffee and reading newspapers in search of jobs in African countries. Those who find it costlier or more difficult to get into Europe or the USA, make their way to Africa or middle eastern countries, in search of better lives. Nobody blames them at all, as it is within their rights as humans to find very good living conditions. Afterall, no one should expect perfect living conditions in a nation of over 1 billion people. Not everyone in the country has the opportunity to live fantastic lives.

If Indians have said NO to the Chinese, why then is China the biggest trading partner of the Indians?

Read the below:

India and China have a complex economic relationship, with trade and investment flowing between the two nations despite geopolitical tensions. Here are some key aspects:

- Trade Volume: China is India's largest trading partner, with bilateral trade reaching $136.2 billion in 2023 and $138.48 billion in 2024, with China's exports to India valued at $120.48 billion and imports from India at $17.997 billion.
-Trade Imbalance: India has a significant trade deficit with China, with imports from China rising by 3.24% to $101.7 billion and exports increasing by 8.7% to $16.67 billion in the fiscal year 2024.
- Investment: Chinese investment in India has shown signs of recovery, with China's direct investment in India reaching $42.05 million in 2023, a 324.4% year-on-year increase. China's cumulative direct investment stock in India stood at $3.21 billion as of 2023.
- Key Sectors: China is a vital supplier of industrial goods to India, particularly in:
- Electronics: China exports machinery, components, and intermediate goods to support India's infrastructure development and consumer electronics demand.
- Pharmaceuticals: India relies heavily on China for Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (APIs), with imports valued at $2.288 billion in 2023, a 27.75% year-on-year increase.
- Renewable Energy: China's strength in price-competitive manufacturing makes it a reliable source for inputs in green tech.
- Mutual Investment: Indian companies have established operations in China across various sectors, including pharmaceuticals and manufacturing, while over 100 Chinese companies are active in India, particularly in infrastructure and electronics.
-Diplomatic Efforts: The two countries have made efforts to improve relations, including the 31st round of the China-India border affairs consultation mechanism, which led to a mutual agreement on partial troop withdrawal and initiatives to revive cross-border trade”

Why has Narendra Modi been cross crossing Europe, Asia in search of improved diplomatic and economic relationships with the countries that he has visited? He will be visiting Ghana and Namibia starting from tomorrow and the 9th.

Visa is not a right, but a privilege. However, once again, do not expect to benefit in leaps from me and expect that I should be oppressed by you in return.