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CreativeOrbit:
Your comments frequently appear designed to provoke rather than contribute to meaningful discussion. Would you care to explain your communication objectives?

These are neither comments nor claims nor my opinions BUT direct QUESTIONs on your Hadiths

The Hadith was

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.


My Questions respectfully were:

According to Sahih Muslim 2662c
1. Is a baby guaranteed paradise because it has not committed sin?
2. Is it untrue that some babies while in their fathers loins were created for Hell Fire while others are created for paradise while they were still in their fathers loins (meaning before their conception)?



All I need from you is a TRUTHFUL Response to the Questions wrt the given hadith. QED!
Again, there is nothing in the question that was provocative

Mr CreativeOrbit,
I got banned again
You said:

CreativeOrbit:
I’ve noticed a pattern of provocative comments from you. Could you clarify the intent behind your consistently inflammatory remarks? I’m interested in understanding whether there’s a constructive purpose to this approach or if you’re simply engaging in trolling behavior.

The Hadith was

Sahih Muslim 2643 a
Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) who is the most truthful (of the human beings) and his being truthful (is a fact) said:
Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother's womb in the form of blood, after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends His angel to it with instructions concerning four things, so the angel writes down his livelihood, his death, his deeds, his fortune and misfortune. By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.

I didn't make any provocative comment other than to ask DIRECT Questions based on the Hadith above.

The Questions were:

According to Sahih Muslim 2643a
1. Is it true that the destiny of Allah is WRITTEN for a baby forty days after conception?
2. Is it true that whatever that written destiny is MUST SURELY come to pass over the child after he was born?
3. Is it UNTRUE that the destination of the person in Paradise or Hell Fire is part of what is written from the Destiny of Allah for the person?


DON'T forget that my original claims were:
1. Your prophet said that even a sinless baby born of Muslim parents cannot be guaranteed to enter paradise if he dies because the baby's fate had been determined while it is in his father's loins.
2. Your fate as a Muslim is already decided: don't you believe in the destiny of Allah?


And I said (contrary to your standard islamic narrative)
If a baby's destination in Paradise or Hell is uncertain in Islam, your salvation as an adult is exponentially uncertain!

Enough with your pointless trolling and mindless repetition. The question you keep spinning in circles was never meant for people who thrive on confusion and contradiction — it was for people of sound understanding, not for those trapped in the mental gymnastics of your so-called Trinity.

If you can’t grasp a simple point or contribute a fresh perspective, do everyone a favour: stop wasting our time with your hollow noise. This space is for reasoned dialogue, not endless parroting of the same worn-out talking points.

Raise your intellect, find some clarity — or stay silent. Next time, remember: questions of truth are for people of insight, not for those who can’t even untangle their own contradictions.

NairaLTQ shadeyinka2 TenQ

CreativeOrbit:
Enough with your pointless trolling and mindless repetition. The question you keep spinning in circles was never meant for people who thrive on confusion and contradiction — it was for people of sound understanding, not for those trapped in the mental gymnastics of your so-called Trinity.

If you can’t grasp a simple point or contribute a fresh perspective, do everyone a favour: stop wasting our time with your hollow noise. This space is for reasoned dialogue, not endless parroting of the same worn-out talking points.

Raise your intellect, find some clarity — or stay silent. Next time, remember: questions of truth are for people of insight, not for those who can’t even untangle their own contradictions.

NairaLTQ shadeyinka2 TenQ

Too bad.

1. Why are you this aggressively agitated? Did you even once answer any of my questions?
No! So, what is bothering you?

2. It seems that the definition of your intellectual discussion starts and end with me accepting ANYTHING you say as facts without question. But you know that is intellectually wrong


Your problem is that when your Hadiths and Qur'an are scrutinised with simple questions, it breaks down.

The breakdown is why you get angry : you want Islam to be TRUE but here is me showing you how faulty your Standard Islamic Narrative is.

TenQ:
Too bad.

1. Why are you this aggressively agitated? Did you even once answer any of my questions?
No! So, what is bothering you?

2. It seems that the definition of your intellectual discussion starts and end with me accepting ANYTHING you say as facts without question. But you know that is intellectually wrong


Your problem is that when your Hadiths and Qur'an are scrutinised with simple questions, it breaks down.

The breakdown is why you get angry : you want Islam to be TRUE but here is me showing you how faulty your Standard Islamic Narrative is.

Let me clarify a few points for you with all due respect — and in the spirit of genuine debate, not your circular provocations.

1️⃣ First, your questions were answered in substance — but you choose not to acknowledge the answers because you cling to a framework built on contradictions. You ask questions not to understand, but to distort and repeat the same hollow points.

2️⃣ You speak of ‘intellectual honesty’, yet ignore the glaring inconsistencies in your own creed — the idea of a God who is One but somehow three, mortal yet immortal, all-knowing yet ‘doesn’t know the hour’. Spare me the pretence that your doctrine is a standard for logical consistency.

3️⃣ You accuse the Qur’an and Hadith of breaking down under scrutiny — yet Islam’s concept of pure monotheism (Tawhid) has stood the test of time and reason, uncorrupted by councils and contradictory edits. Meanwhile, the Bible remains a patchwork of human additions, redactions, and theological guesswork.

4️⃣ If I appear assertive, it’s because truth deserves firmness. I will not water down clear answers to appease someone whose mission is mockery, not understanding.

✅ When you have genuine, sincere questions — free of arrogance and recycled polemics — I am here to engage. But if all you want is to hurl the same tired accusations, then know that Islam will not bow to your strawman tactics.

Raise your standards, refine your questions, and maybe then you’ll find answers worth your time — and mine. Until then, keep your contradictions to yourself.

CreativeOrbit:
Let me clarify a few points for you with all due respect — and in the spirit of genuine debate, not your circular provocations.

1️⃣ First, your questions were answered in substance — but you choose not to acknowledge the answers because you cling to a framework built on contradictions. You ask questions not to understand, but to distort and repeat the same hollow points.

2️⃣ You speak of ‘intellectual honesty’, yet ignore the glaring inconsistencies in your own creed — the idea of a God who is One but somehow three, mortal yet immortal, all-knowing yet ‘doesn’t know the hour’. Spare me the pretence that your doctrine is a standard for logical consistency.

3️⃣ You accuse the Qur’an and Hadith of breaking down under scrutiny — yet Islam’s concept of pure monotheism (Tawhid) has stood the test of time and reason, uncorrupted by councils and contradictory edits. Meanwhile, the Bible remains a patchwork of human additions, redactions, and theological guesswork.

4️⃣ If I appear assertive, it’s because truth deserves firmness. I will not water down clear answers to appease someone whose mission is mockery, not understanding.

✅ When you have genuine, sincere questions — free of arrogance and recycled polemics — I am here to engage. But if all you want is to hurl the same tired accusations, then know that Islam will not bow to your strawman tactics.

Raise your standards, refine your questions, and maybe then you’ll find answers worth your time — and mine. Until then, keep your contradictions to yourself.

Then be bold to answer direct questions and don't flee the consequences of speaking the truth with anger. The truth is constant. The truth is never afraid. The truth is consistent.

The Questions were:

According to Sahih Muslim 2643a
1. Is it true that the destiny of Allah is WRITTEN for a baby forty days after conception?
2. Is it true that whatever that written destiny is MUST SURELY come to pass over the child after he was born?
3. Is it UNTRUE that the destination of the person in Paradise or Hell Fire is part of what is written from the Destiny of Allah for the person?

According to Sahih Muslim 2662c
1. Is a baby guaranteed paradise because it has not committed sin?
2. Is it untrue that some babies while in their fathers loins were created for Hell Fire while others are created for paradise while they were still in their fathers loins (meaning before their conception)?


Either you answer the questions OR admit that you cannot bear to accept the consequences of the truth they hold.

Then, I will know that you choose deliberate ignorance.


Taoheed is a faulty and weak doctrine, if you will not run away again, I dare you challenge me to open a fresh post on Taoheed !

I guarantee that you will be sorry for yourself!

TenQ:
Then be bold to answer direct questions and don't flee the consequences of speaking the truth with anger. The truth is constant. The truth is never afraid. The truth is consistent.

The Questions were:

According to Sahih Muslim 2643a
1. Is it true that the destiny of Allah is WRITTEN for a baby forty days after conception?
2. Is it true that whatever that written destiny is MUST SURELY come to pass over the child after he was born?
3. Is it UNTRUE that the destination of the person in Paradise or Hell Fire is part of what is written from the Destiny of Allah for the person?

According to Sahih Muslim 2662c
1. Is a baby guaranteed paradise because it has not committed sin?
2. Is it untrue that some babies while in their fathers loins were created for Hell Fire while others are created for paradise while they were still in their fathers loins (meaning before their conception)?


Either you answer the questions OR admit that you cannot bear to accept the consequences of the truth they hold.

Then, I will know that you choose deliberate ignorance.


Taoheed is a faulty and weak doctrine, if you will not run away again, I dare you challenge me to open a fresh post on Taoheed !

I guarantee that you will be sorry for yourself!

You want ‘bold’? Good. Sit tight and read carefully — because your childish attempts at cornering Islam with your shallow ‘trap questions’ just exposed your ignorance, not mine.

🔹 1️⃣ Yes, Islam teaches Qadr (Divine Decree). Everything — life, death, provision, deeds, and final destination — is decreed by Allah. So what? Allah is the All-Knowing and All-Wise. His perfect foreknowledge and decree do not oppress anyone — because He also gives you the free will to act. Your Bible also says, ‘Before I formed you in the womb I knew you’ (Jeremiah 1:5). But of course, you pretend not to see the same idea in your own book.

🔹 2️⃣ A baby’s fate is with Allah — who is Just and Merciful. In Islam, babies who die before accountability are granted Paradise by Allah’s Mercy — and there are authentic reports proving this. The fact that Allah knows some souls will choose evil later in life does not make Him unjust — it makes Him all-knowing. Unlike your theology, we don’t have to invent an ‘original sin’ scam to patch over Divine Justice.

🔹 3️⃣ You mock Qadr because you can’t grasp the difference between perfect knowledge and coercion. Allah’s decree does not ‘force’ anyone to be evil — it is His foreknowledge that encompasses your choices before you even make them. Try reading real Islamic scholarship before barking recycled polemics.

🔹 4️⃣ Now, let’s flip the table — if you really care about ‘truth being constant’:

Where is your Trinity in the Bible? Quote Jesus explicitly saying, “I am God, worship me.” You won’t find it.

Why did your ‘omniscient’ Jesus admit he didn’t know the Hour? “No one knows the day or hour, not even the Son…” (Mark 13:32). Explain how an all-knowing God doesn’t know.

How does God die on a cross yet remain alive? Mortal yet immortal — make it make sense.

🔹 5️⃣ You want to open a post on Tawhid? Be my guest. Just be prepared to watch your self-contradictory, Council-edited theology collapse in broad daylight. Tawhid is crystal clear: One God, no partners, no sons, no three-but-one mental gymnastics. Your creed needs Ecumenical Councils and centuries of edits to force people to swallow your contradictions. Islam needs none of that.

✅ So let’s settle this:

Yes, destiny is written — because Allah is God, not your imaginary ‘powerless savior’ begging people to accept him.

Yes, Allah’s knowledge is perfect — your confusion won’t change that.

No, Islam’s consistency will not bend to your recycled rhetorical traps.

If you’re so convinced you can ‘make me sorry for myself’, open your post — and come prepared with more than your stale slogans and desperate twisting of hadiths you barely understand.

I stand by Tawhid. It doesn’t break under your selective cut-and-paste ‘questions’. Raise your intellectual game — or spare me your empty chest-beating.

Truth is constant, indeed — that’s why your contradictions keep imploding, while Tawhid remains unshakeable. Deal with it.

As usual, you wouldn't answer direct questions because they betray the lies of your scholars which you have chosen to believe

CreativeOrbit:
You want ‘bold’? Good. Sit tight and read carefully — because your childish attempts at cornering Islam with your shallow ‘trap questions’ just exposed your ignorance, not mine.

It is you who refuse to answer direct question only because you are convinced that answering the questions truthfully goes against your claims. Indeed the questions corners islam because without lies, Islam cannot exist.

CreativeOrbit:
🔹 1️⃣ Yes, Islam teaches Qadr (Divine Decree). Everything — life, death, provision, deeds, and final destination — is decreed by Allah. So what? Allah is the All-Knowing and All-Wise. His perfect foreknowledge and decree do not oppress anyone — because He also gives you the free will to act. Your Bible also says, ‘Before I formed you in the womb I knew you’ (Jeremiah 1:5). But of course, you pretend not to see the same idea in your own book.

No sir. Qadr doesn't give you the free will to act.
Sahih Muslim 2643 a .....
By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.

There is no free will in Islam, the destiny of Allah always win: don't you think so?

CreativeOrbit:
🔹 2️⃣ A baby’s fate is with Allah — who is Just and Merciful. In Islam, babies who die before accountability are granted Paradise by Allah’s Mercy — and there are authentic reports proving this. The fact that Allah knows some souls will choose evil later in life does not make Him unjust — it makes Him all-knowing. Unlike your theology, we don’t have to invent an ‘original sin’ scam to patch over Divine Justice.

This is contrary to your prophets view sir. Is your prophet in error here?

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Your prophet said: it is the destiny of Allah (and not mercy) that determines where a baby will go sir?
What is mercy if there was no sin in the first place?

CreativeOrbit:
🔹 3️⃣ You mock Qadr because you can’t grasp the difference between perfect knowledge and coercion. Allah’s decree does not ‘force’ anyone to be evil — it is His foreknowledge that encompasses your choices before you even make them. Try reading real Islamic scholarship before barking recycled polemics.

CreativeOrbit:
🔹 4️⃣ Now, let’s flip the table — if you really care about ‘truth being constant’:
Where is your Trinity in the Bible? Quote Jesus explicitly saying, “I am God, worship me.” You won’t find it.

Trinity is a description of God exactly as Taoheed is a description of Allah!
Is Taoheed anywhere in the Quran?

If Jesus didnt make your exact quote, would this make his being God invalidated?

Can you help me find this exact quote in the Quran: "I am Allah, worship me"
What if I show your where Jesus said that he is God: will your renounce Islam?
LOL!

CreativeOrbit:
Why did your ‘omniscient’ Jesus admit he didn’t know the Hour? “No one knows the day or hour, not even the Son…” (Mark 13:32). Explain how an all-knowing God doesn’t know.

How does God die on a cross yet remain alive? Mortal yet immortal — make it make sense.

I have dealt with this with you. Go back and read.

Philippians 2:7-8. He humbled himself by taking on the form of a servant, becoming human, and ultimately submitting to death on the cross.

The Father is the source or originator — the one who wills, initiates, or decrees.
The Son is the Word — the agent through whom the Father’s will is revealed and accomplished (e.g., John 1:3 — “Through him all things were made”).
The Holy Spirit is the one who applies, empowers, sustains, perfects, and brings to completion the work in creation, redemption, and sanctification.

On death:
If Moses was truely dead, who told your prophet to reduce the number of prayers from fifty to five?

Of course, I know that I am speaking to a deaf wall!

CreativeOrbit:
🔹 5️⃣ You want to open a post on Tawhid? Be my guest. Just be prepared to watch your self-contradictory, Council-edited theology collapse in broad daylight. Tawhid is crystal clear: One God, no partners, no sons, no three-but-one mental gymnastics. Your creed needs Ecumenical Councils and centuries of edits to force people to swallow your contradictions. Islam needs none of that.

✅ So let’s settle this:

Yes, destiny is written — because Allah is God, not your imaginary ‘powerless savior’ begging people to accept him.

Yes, Allah’s knowledge is perfect — your confusion won’t change that.

No, Islam’s consistency will not bend to your recycled rhetorical traps.

If you’re so convinced you can ‘make me sorry for myself’, open your post — and come prepared with more than your stale slogans and desperate twisting of hadiths you barely understand.

I stand by Tawhid. It doesn’t break under your selective cut-and-paste ‘questions’. Raise your intellectual game — or spare me your empty chest-beating.

Truth is constant, indeed — that’s why your contradictions keep imploding, while Tawhid remains unshakeable. Deal with it.

So, if you would not flee when things get hot, I will open a new thread just for you.

On DESTINY in Islam,
Allah told a story of Al-Khidr described in Quran 18:65–82 as a servant of God who has been given "knowledge" and who is accompanied and questioned by the prophet Musa (Moses) about the many seemingly unfair or inappropriate actions he (Al-Khidr) takes.

I am particular about this young boy that was killed: Why was he killed by Al-Khidr?

TenQ:
As usual, you wouldn't answer direct questions because they betray the lies of your scholars which you have chosen to believe

It is you who refuse to answer direct question only because you are convinced that answering the questions truthfully goes against your claims. Indeed the questions corners islam because without lies, Islam cannot exist.



No sir. Qadr doesn't give you the free will to act.
Sahih Muslim 2643 a .....
By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.

There is no free will in Islam, the destiny of Allah always win: don't you think so?


This is contrary to your prophets view sir. Is your prophet in error here?

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Your prophet said: it is the destiny of Allah (and not mercy) that determines where a baby will go sir?
What is mercy if there was no sin in the first place?




Trinity is a description of God exactly as Taoheed is a description of Allah!
Is Taoheed anywhere in the Quran?

If Jesus didnt make your exact quote, would this make his being God invalidated?

Can you help me find this exact quote in the Quran: "I am Allah, worship me"
What if I show your where Jesus said that he is God: will your renounce Islam?
LOL!

You really think you’ve cornered Islam? Read carefully.

1️⃣ First, don’t twist hadith out of context. The Prophet ﷺ is teaching that Allah’s perfect knowledge and decree coexist with human free will. We choose — but our choices are within the limits of His absolute knowledge. That’s not fatalism, it’s the balance of Qadr and Ikhtiyar. Even your Bible says “God knows the end from the beginning” — so are you implying your God has less power than ours?

2️⃣ Second, your claim that “Islam can’t exist without lies” is laughable. The Qur’an invites all creation to ponder, question, and challenge. Unlike your distorted Trinity — a doctrine your own church fathers admit is irrational — Tawhid is consistent: One indivisible God, absolute, unique, eternal, and without partners. That’s not a description, that’s a reality your mind can’t twist.

3️⃣ Third, your emotional spin on the child’s hadith shows your poor grasp of core theology. Paradise and Hell are real destinations — Allah’s justice and mercy work together. Babies who die innocent are never punished unjustly; the hadith illustrates the divine foreknowledge that no one can twist or manipulate. You don’t get to cherry-pick one line and ignore the entire Islamic framework of divine mercy.

4️⃣ Fourth, your Trinity excuse is self-defeating. Show me one unambiguous verse where Jesus says: “I am God, worship me.” You can’t. Yet the Qur’an is full of direct, explicit proclamations:

> “There is no deity but Allah…” (Qur’an 47:19)
“So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except Allah…” (Qur’an 47:19)
Your Prophet? He said it plainly: “Say: He is Allah, the One…” (Qur’an 112). We don’t need a word “Tawhid” dropped arbitrarily — the concept is crystal clear and consistent. Your invented “Trinity” was voted on in Nicaea. Ours was never changed or fabricated.

5️⃣ Lastly, you mock Islam with “LOL” but can’t answer your own contradictions. Jesus prayed to God — who was he praying to? Himself? If your God “died”, who was running the universe? If your God is three yet one, that’s a logical absurdity. Ours is truly One — no partners, no sons, no fabricated councils.

Before you come for Islam, fix the mess in your own theology. You’re out here parroting mistranslated hadith while ignoring the clear contradictions in your books. Try again — we’re ready for you.

Mr CreativeOrbit
Twice they have banned me again but here it is again.




Your response.

CreativeOrbit,
Here is the second second part.
Islam is beautiful abi!