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sonmvayina:
Let us assume for once that jesus actually existed.
And you also was alive during that time....

If somebody pointed to you. Hey gammarays, look at God...He is going behind that bush to urinate.....
You are going to throw up at the sight, because what you will see is a man, so unkept, who has not had a bath in weeks, with long un cut nails and sand underneath it. Smelling mouth/mouth odor......and a wanderer with no home and lies down on bushes to sleep.

You go throw way spit. ..you won't even mind him. But now, the story was brought to you hundreds of years later, you swallowed it without a single thought....

God is not a man or a son of man...God is the universal divine consciousness....not a Jewish man up in the sky.

sonmvayina:
The word Messiah means an anointed king. Somebody anointed to the service of God. As part of their coronation, they are anointed with a special oil usually kept inside the ark of the covenant. The oil is usually administered by a priest.
Was Jesus anointed? NO
Is Jesus the Messiah? No

Then why are Christians not waking up to the deception? Why are they not seeing the idolatry in their action?

We should have passed out his stage....No time again

gammarays:
[b]1. John the Baptist was a prophet and wasn't anointed physically with oil like the prophets of old

2. Jesus Christ has been foretold by David, Isaiah and other anointed prophets of old

3. Jesus Christ anointed by the Holy Spirit which superceded the anointing of oil Acts 10:38

4. A Messiah in the real Hebrew context is an anointed deliverer serving in the position of prophet, priest and king. Jesus is called the Son Of David as was prophesied in the old testament. David operated as Prophet, priest and king in his time and was the only one to do so in the old testament. Jesus operated in same.

5. Idolatry is the worship of any god aside God the father. The major problem the Jews had against Jesus is they didn't understand He was the begotten of God and the Messiah who would come even though they had knowledge He'll come. He just came in the way they didn't expect as He's to liberate the entire world not just the Jews.

6. Real Christianity is never Idolatry as we worship the true God. [/b]

gammarays:
1. God is the universal eternal King not a Jewish Man. God is reality not a consciousness and other religions believe He is real and exist.
2. He exists as Father, Son and Spirit
3. Son came to the world for the sake of redeeming mankind. He came as a Jew to fulfil God's word as He has chosen Israel as His own right from the days of Abraham
4. He came as a Man so will urinate, eat and do other things as a Man
5. He was a wanderer because of His assignment to preach the gospel from city to city not because He couldn't afford a place to stay. He wasn't unkempt either. The crowd always besieged Him. People won't go close to someone dirty, smelling and unkept in real life

sonmvayina:
So if he was not anointed like of old, how is he a prophet? It does not mean anything in God's eyes, God has already told them how he wants his things done. Any other thing you do.....has got nothing to do with God. So, whatever John the Baptist did, was not confirmed by God. God took away the gift of prophecy after Malachi, so he can't be a prophet.

please can you quote the places in the Jewish scriptures, I am waiting. I have read the places where Christians says Jesus is in the Tanakh, I did not s3e him there, maybe you have other places. Provide it. Talk is cheap.


Does not count, that is not what God ordained and is passed down from the prophet. There is no provision by God in his laws about being anointed by a spirit. That is not how it works. The priest will pour the oil and God will send his spirit to the person. So,

How is Jesus the son of David if the "Wholly spirit" is his father. He has no blood relation to David. Just how? The Messiah is a man, not divine in any way. That is anointed by a special oil to the service of God. God is not the Messiah. Makes no sense. God can't anoint himself, to his own service. Jesus is not the Messiah.


He is not. He is not anything. There is nowhere in their account where it says so. It is what you Christians are claiming, not the Jews. The Messiah God promised them is a man that will liberate them from their enemies and restore peace. He is not coming to die for sins.


No, it is the worship of a man as God. It breaks God's second commandments. It is idolatry. God has no physical body or form. Jesus is an idol created by Edom(Rome)

sonmvayina:
It means you don't even know what God is and is not. You still have a long way to go.
God is existence itself. God is the totality of the consciousness of the universe.....not a man or human being. Man was created from Dust, God can't be dust. It is an insult.
God gave humanity laws to keep so that they can live in peace and evolve. Not believe mundane absurdities..
Man is a creation. Not the creator.

You have a lot to unlearn....

gammarays:
Like I said you're arrogant in ignorance. God is more than existence as He's real. Man was created in His image and likeness even though He was made of Dust.
For Jesus Christ to do the redemption work, He had to take the form of Man and even died like a Man.
Man is flesh with a soul and spirit. The main man is never the body which is dust so the flesh is temporary and will perish. The main man is a spirit with a soul(consciousness) which is eternal like his Creator.

gammarays:
]In your bid to sound enlightened you ended up portraying your ignorance.
Isaiah 53, 7:14, 11:1, 2 Samuel 7:12-16, psalm 110:1
Who told you God ended the office of the prophet with Malachi? Did He also end the office of Priests too? Everything God did then, every role is still available till today. Stop living in delusion.

Jesus Christ is the son of David as He came through the linage of David the same way the present Jews refer to themselves as children of Abraham.

Even the Jews still believe Jesus Christ came but didn't see Him as the promised Messiah because He didn't come the way they expected. Our cousins the Moslems who have a similar practice with Judaism even know Jesus as a high prophet.

I know what works in you. It's clearly visible. For you to say God ended the prophets with Malachi shows you're living in delusion. The Prophets worked with the priests and teachers and they're still available till today.

Thanks for making this thread active. Shalom

sonmvayina:
This is what you get when you take text out of context.
Macindhouse, come and see your brother. He is taking a text out of its context and passing it off as a messianic prophecy. Just like you do.

Oga, put those passages back in the sentences and read it, and come and tell me you see Jesus there.

gammarays:
Why not tell us the person that passage is referring to if not Jesus Christ?

sonmvayina:
Put Isaiah 7:14 into its proper context. And read the whole narrative. It is about a war. The northern 10 tribes and Syria formed an alliance. They wanted to go to Judah and put somebody as king who will be loyal to them. When king Ahaz heard about it, he was scared Then God sent Isaiah to him to tell him that whatever they are planning will not work or come to pass, he was still agitated and Isaiah told him to ask God for a sign that would assure him of his that his kingdom will not fall. He said he can't , and he does not want to put God to a test. But God on his own part said he would give him a sign, and that "This young woman (pointing to the prophetess ) is with child. He would give birth to a son and she( the prophetess ) would call his name Immanuel. And before the child learns the good and not evil, those two kingdom will be deserted.

That is what happened.........


There is no Jesus there ...

gammarays:
Romans 7:5
In simple terms, through sin man loses His dominion and is subject to the dictates of the flesh.

As a Christian, sin is very dangerous because it makes us slaves to the flesh

Stay away from sin if you want to have authority over your flesh!

May the Good Lord help us to stay Holy and bless our day in Jesus Christ name 🙏 Amen

gammarays:
He who dwells in the in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. He is my refuge and fortress. My God in whom I trust. Psalm 91:1-2.

This is a popular protection Psalm pointing out that our refuge, protection and safety is in the Lord.
Now whoever will dwell in the shelter of the Most High must live by the characteristics of the Most High which is Holiness. Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of hosts! Rev 4:8

May the Good Lord protect us as we take Him as our refuge and fortress! Amen

gammarays:
Sorry I was flagged so couldn't reply earlier. I said initially that's a prophecy foretold of Jesus Christ. It was repeated in Isaiah 9:6

You're lying already. Isaiah mentioned a virgin not a prophetess which was later fulfilled.

Okay explain to us about Isaiah 53:5

gammarays:
Sorry I was flagged so couldn't reply earlier. I said initially that's a prophecy foretold of Jesus Christ. It was repeated in Isaiah 9:6

You're lying already. Isaiah mentioned a virgin not a prophetess which was later fulfilled.

Okay explain to us about Isaiah 53:5

sonmvayina:
I have taken the liberty to paste the direct translation from Hebrew to English. This is what it says.
"5 But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed."

Like I said before, Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy. It is what the kings of the earth will say when they witness the salvation of Israel. They thought it was God that was punishing Israel through them. They were healed(satisfied )when they saw that they were inflicting pain on Israel for nothing and God was with them all along.
All these will happen as they know and hear now that Israel was innocent of all the crimes they had labelled against them.
Verse 1. Who has believed what we have heard(the salvation of Israel).

Do you get it now?

Context is key.

gammarays:
You're still creating confusion for yourself. In the context is "Him" or "He" which is an entity.
He was punished for our transgressions means an entity was punished for other people's sins. How can you now interpret it as them punishing Israel on behalf of God?

By His stripes or wound we were made whole or healed. Between the afflicted and the punisher according to your explanation, who should be made whole or healed? This shows you lack understanding.
According to the context, there's an entity "Him" and a group of people "we". What occurred is an exchange where the "He" took upon himself the transgressions, afflictions, sins, sickness of the "we".

First you acknowledged Israel sinned or so they thought. How come you concluded Israel was innocent? So they punished Israel by mistake 😂
According to history it was correct that Israel sinned and was punished by God. How can you conclude they were wrongly punished by those kings and you even said they were acting on behalf of God. They knew God's counsel of Judgement for them to embark on that task of punishment. How come you conclude by saying they now realise it was a mistake? Where did the error come from? God was with Israel yet the same God was punishing same Israel through them?
A victor or oppressor now needs healing or satisfaction instead of the conquered or oppressed?
Confusion at it's peak 😯

sonmvayina:
Ok, simple question,

In your opinion, who do you think was talking in Isaiah 53? From verse 1.
Who is the "we " and what did they hear?

gammarays:
What
Isaiah was a prophet who foretold the life of Christ and he started from verse 1. Isaiah started the narration from verse 1. Check from 3-7, he interchanged "we" with "our" and "us". So the "we" is same with "our" and "us" which refers to mankind. "He" or "Him" is Christ Jesus. This is English nah just like "We" went to visit "our" old teacher who gifted "us" a goat.

‭Isaiah 53:6 NIV‬
[6] We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

https://bible.com/bible/111/isa.53.6.NIV

‭Isaiah 53:10 NIV‬
[10] Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

https://bible.com/bible/111/isa.53.10.NIV

I just highlighted some places for you to check. The Lord himself allowed Him Christ to suffer or afflicted Him because He bore the sins of mankind not just Israel. The judgement of the Lord that was to be on man was unleashed on Him as He was the substitute. It wasn't a mistake in any way and it was fulfilled exactly in the new testament when Christ died. Do you remember He wished the cup of suffering be taken away from Him at a time but had to submit to it. Isaiah's prophecy was fulfilled exactly. Go and read about the events that lead to His death.
You countered yourself when you said the Lord afflicted Israel and later found out it was a mistake. The He is Jesus Christ not Israel. The affliction was not a mistake. Since He accepted to act as substitute for mankind in bearing their iniquities, He must be the one to experience the full wrath of judgement intended for mankind. It was a bitter sacrifice which will give Him glory as prophesied by Isaiah and was later fulfilled. Read Philippians for more insight

sonmvayina:

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