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LordReed:
Which of the over 20 Sir Thomas Scotts in the UK alone was an atheist?

How can you understand when you think your brain is limited? LoLz.

Apparently you aren't striving for understanding you just want to believe. Go ahead nobody is stopping you.

It just seems so nonsensical to me to be an atheist or igtheist. I mean, why exactly? It's not as if you know anything for certain. Consider last words of Steve Jobs above, do you think he'd be an atheist at that point? For what reason exactly? Question is WHY?

LordReed:
Dude Samson killing Philistines is not bringing anybody peace. As a matter of fact it is part of the reason they are fight in the Middle East.

I dunno if you are aware that Islam has narrowed the gap in terms of population and is projectied to overtake Christian population. At that point if you are still around would you become a Muslim because their book is more popular than yours?

Popularity is not an indicator of truth.

There is war in the middle east because Samson killed the Philistines??

It's clear you are looking for every means to change this topic. You blame Samson for the problems in the middle east.

Again, you completely miss the point. Even if Islam overtakes Christianity, it doesn't remove the fact that the bible despite the imperfections of the writers, despite the extreme persecution of the early Christian remains the most influential book on earth. This is proof that it's writers were inspired. The bible was not even supposed to be this powerful. It couldn't be stopped by Roman oppression. Very few books have had such impact.

Yes you final point is very correct, popularity is not indication of truth. So let me ask you, how do you know eternal truths?

Since you can't even recognize eternal truths, I was not even making that argument.
My point here was that despite the flaws of it's writers, the bible remains an inspired work. We can argue if it was inspired by God or not but the wise words of Jesus Christ shines forth here. By their fruits ye shall know them.
The fruits of the bible are beyond anything human. It is clearly inspired.

I can argue that the Quran was inspired but by who?

DeepSight:
What is so hard in admitting that that was AI?

LordReed your son is not dropping this oh.

tctrills:
Objection 1: "Matthew died in 68 CE, but the Gospel was written between 75–100 CE."
Response:
The date range of 75–100 CE is based on modern scholarly estimates, many of which assume Matthew borrowed from Mark and that Mark was written around 70 CE. However, early church tradition — including Papias, Irenaeus, and others — suggest Matthew’s Gospel was written earlier, possibly in the 50s or 60s CE.
Also, dating ancient texts isn’t exact science. If Matthew wrote his Gospel in the 60s CE, before his death (possibly around 68), that fits both his lifespan and the content’s context — especially since Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 CE is never mentioned as a past event, which you'd expect if it were written after.

Objection 2: "It uses content from Mark, Luke, and Q. That implies a learned scribe, not a fisherman or tax collector."
Response:
First, Matthew wasn't a fisherman — he was a tax collector, a job requiring literacy, numeracy, and record-keeping. He would have been more educated than most of the apostles and perfectly capable of writing or compiling a structured document.
Second, using other sources doesn’t disqualify authorship. If Matthew used Mark and perhaps oral or written traditions (like Q), he may have done so to organize and supplement with his own eyewitness insights. Ancient writers often relied on sources — and it doesn’t mean they weren’t the true authors.

Objection 3: "It was written in Greek, and a first-century Jew wouldn’t write in Greek unless he was a scribe."
Response:
While many Jews in 1st-century Judea spoke Aramaic, Greek was the lingua franca of the Eastern Roman Empire, including Galilee. A tax collector like Matthew, who dealt with Roman officials and urban merchants, almost certainly knew Greek.
Moreover, even if Matthew wasn’t fully fluent in written Greek, he could have dictated his Gospel to a scribe or translator — a very common practice in the ancient world. That still preserves his authorship, even if he didn’t physically pen it.


Objection 4: "The Gospel never says it was written by Matthew."
Response:
That’s true — the Gospel of Matthew is anonymous, as are all four Gospels. None of them directly say, “I, John” or “I, Mark.”
However, the early church universally attributed this Gospel to Matthew — and there’s no competing ancient claim for another author. The name “Matthew” is attached to this Gospel as early as the 2nd century, long before modern debates.
Also, the Gospel includes unique details about Matthew’s own calling (Matthew 9:9), and unlike in Mark and Luke, he refers to himself as “Matthew the tax collector” — a humble detail that suggests firsthand authorship.


So while your objections raise good scholarly questions, they don’t disprove Matthew’s authorship. When you weigh:

Early and unanimous church tradition,

Matthew’s background as an educated tax collector,

Common practices like using scribes and sources,

And internal clues in the Gospel itself,

…it’s entirely reasonable — even likely — that Matthew the apostle wrote (or dictated) the Gospel that bears his name.

Very informative. Kudos

tctrills:
LordReed your son is not dropping this oh.

Just be intellectually honest. He asked you a simple question and you started running and dancing.

FreeIgboho:
Very informative. Kudos

From a fellow ChatGTP Master, kudos indeed.

DeepSight:
From a fellow ChatGTP Master, kudos indeed.

I am telling you this as a Christian, I have never used ChatGTP today. Yet you keep accusing me of using it.
But more importantly, what we are after are best answers regardless of where from!

DeepSight:
Just be intellectually honest. He asked you a simple question and you started running and dancing.

This child.
But then, they say humans are smarter than AI. If you are depressed and uncomfortable because you feel I cheated with an AI, oga use your human brain and defeat the AI nah. Unless your brain is .....

FreeIgboho:
It just seems so nonsensical to me to be an atheist or igtheist. I mean, why exactly? It's not as if you know anything for certain. Consider last words of Steve Jobs above, do you think he'd be an atheist at that point? For what reason exactly? Question is WHY?

What is nonsensical is believing what you claim you don't know. It's as nonsensical as a fish in raincoat, rain boot and carrying an umbrella.

FreeIgboho:
Very informative. Kudos

Merci beaucoup

DeepSight:
It can be tiresome. One discussant has been using ChatGTP to discuss with me all day.
I dont say you cant source something from AI oh, but first, indicate so at the end of your quote, and also do not make it your walking stick or tool for all discussion and reasoning on a subject. We are not here to engage robots and anyone of us could equally use AI if we so wanted.

LoLz. It's kind of funny though, to have a whole god in the sky but it's AI you get answers from. Bwahahahahahaha!

tctrills:
LordReed your son is not dropping this oh.

Nothing concern me again o!

tctrills:
Merci beaucoup

De rien

My second language is French

tctrills:
This child.
But then, they say humans are smarter than AI. If you are depressed and uncomfortable because you feel I cheated with an AI, oga use your human brain and defeat the AI nah. Unless your brain is .....

You know that is easy for me.

LordReed:
Dude Samson killing Philistines is not bringing anybody peace. As a matter of fact it is part of the reason they are fight in the Middle East.

I dunno if you are aware that Islam has narrowed the gap in terms of population and is projectied to overtake Christian population. At that point if you are still around would you become a Muslim because their book is more popular than yours?

Popularity is not an indicator of truth.

I have responded above but something else came to my mind.
To determine if the bible was inspired of God or is the work of conspiring men, we have to compare it to other books written by men.
So which book do you know that is over 2000 years old, written over the span of 2000 years by up to 60 authors and has the same consistency, and theme as the bible?
The writers were at different locations especially the new testament and yet reading it will lead you to one central message.
No work of man comes close.
This is the work of God and it is marvelous in our eyes.
If you can produce another book that meets or exceeds all the conditions stated, I will agree with you that the bible is not inspired of God.

DeepSight:
You know that is easy for me.

Is it you that I know?
I know you too well bro. If it were another person I would have given the benefit of the doubt but you. Haba.

FreeIgboho:
De rien

My second language is French

Great. Merci beaucoup is my limit.

LordReed:
Nothing concern me again o!

Lol. Beg am nah.

tctrills:
Is it you that I know?
I know you too well bro. If it were another person I would have given the benefit of the doubt but you. Haba.

Lazinness is a sin. Dishonesty is a worse sin.
Plagiarism is terrible.

DeepSight:
Lazinness is a sin. Dishonesty is a worse sin.
Plagiarism is terrible.

Ok bro. I agree.

FreeIgboho:
It just seems so nonsensical to me to be an atheist or igtheist. I mean, why exactly? It's not as if you know anything for certain. Consider last words of Steve Jobs above, do you think he'd be an atheist at that point? For what reason exactly? Question is WHY?

Why on Earth do you believe those were the last words of Steve Jobs?
And you call someone else child-like!

FreeIgboho:
This is soo ridiculous! So how come in all the history of Israel to date he was the only one about to be stonned to death for claiming to be God??
How come he is the only one who never refused worship?? How come he is the only person we refer to as still alive and use "was" for every other person?? How come he's the only one worshipped as an infant (or how and WHY do you show "obeisance" to an infant?). Too many things point to his divinity. You keep issuing one ridiculous denial after another. The bible is meant to be taken together, NOT cherrypicked!

'cause according to Jano, he is an Angel 😂, part of the foremost angels. They even have this theory, Primus conventus, that explains the ludicrous details🧐—you should read it, it's a "good" read👀. Also, Max is the custodian of such a book!

To contribute to this thread: I believe when God is ready he will change their minds👀 but for now, he doesn't have their time. By the time they see things that their intellect cannot explain, that their standards(empiricism) falls short on. They will know there is more!!!

By the way, kudos for engaging them. Keep up the good work!

tctrills:
I have responded above but something else came to my mind.
To determine if the bible was inspired of God or is the work of conspiring men, we have to compare it to other books written by men.
So which book do you know that is over 2000 years old, written over the span of 2000 years by up to 60 authors and has the same consistency, and theme as the bible?
The writers were at different locations especially the new testament and yet reading it will lead you to one central message.
No work of man comes close.
This is the work of God and it is marvelous in our eyes.
If you can produce another book that meets or exceeds all the conditions stated, I will agree with you that the bible is not inspired of God.

This is funny. It is like claiming all the people who are writing about Harry Potter apart from JK Rowling are divinely inspired. Dude writing about a singular theme is not as rare as you seem to be implying. LoLz.

LordReed:
This is funny. It is like claiming all the people who are writing about Harry Potter apart from JK Rowling are divinely inspired. Dude writing about a singular theme is not as rare as you seem to be implying. LoLz.

tctrills:
I have responded above but something else came to my mind.
To determine if the bible was inspired of God or is the work of conspiring men, we have to compare it to other books written by men.
So which book do you know that is over 2000 years old, written over the span of 2000 years by up to 60 authors and has the same consistency, and theme as the bible?
The writers were at different locations especially the new testament and yet reading it will lead you to one central message.
No work of man comes close.
This is the work of God and it is marvelous in our eyes.
If you can produce another book that meets or exceeds all the conditions stated, I will agree with you that the bible is not inspired of God.

In addittion to what Reed has said, the truth is that because the Roman Curia carefully editted the contents of the Bible, it was possible to maintain certain themes while excluding much that was contrary.

LordReed:
This is funny. It is like claiming all the people who are writing about Harry Potter apart from JK Rowling are divinely inspired. Dude writing about a singular theme is not as rare as you seem to be implying. LoLz.

So Harry Potter is the book you feel meets the standard of the bible. Please explain how Harry Potter even comes close. I don't even see your point here please throw more light

DeepSight:
In addittion to what Reed has said, the truth is that because the Roman Curia carefully editted the contents of the Bible, it was possible to maintain certain themes while excluding much that was contrary.

Please do not just make claims. Show evidence. Let's not just make things up.

tctrills:
Please do not just make claims. Show evidence. Let's not just make things up.

You mean you do not know the history of the Bible you talk about so carelessly?
Oh, I forgot. What do you knw without ChatGPT.

DeepSight:
You mean you do not know the history of the Bible you talk about so carelessly?
Oh, I forgot. What do you knw without ChatGPT.

lol
Now, can you present your evidence, or are you just here for drama as usual? We both know you don't know what you are saying

LordReed:
What is nonsensical is believing what you claim you don't know. It's as nonsensical as a fish in raincoat, rain boot and carrying an umbrella.

I don't, neither do you. But the one person in all of human history who was foretold hundreds of years before his coming. And when he came had attributes we associate with God, said he knew and told us. Who is nonsensical, the person who believes him or the person who doesn't believe him based on nebulous "incoherent" determined by his unknowing self?

tctrills:
Merci beaucoup

Me too, Google did the rest!

DeepSight:
Why on Earth do you believe those were the last words of Steve Jobs?
And you call someone else child-like!

They were part of his last words, obviously.
His very last words (as clearly stated in the post) are: "Oh wow! Oh wow! Oh wow!"

FreeIgboho:
Me too, Google did the rest!

lol