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tctrills:
You just said the Law was not sufficient; this means the law could not give salvation. Where really do you stand?
Let's look at your N20 example. Would it be wrong to ask that if the old paper note had the same value as the new one, why the change?
Are you saying that the law had the same value as the gospel of Jesus Christ when it comes to salvation?

Check your dictionary for the meaning of sufficient and salvation

The old note was improved upon , and it has no value in todays Nigeria, if you like have 20million notes of it

femi4:
Check your dictionary for the meaning of sufficient and salvation

The old note was improved upon , and it has nothing in todays Nigeria, if you like have 20million notes of it

sufficient: enough; adequate. I just checked the dictionary.
So again, was the law enough for salvation?
So, like the new note, please note how the gospel improves the law if both give salvation

immaculatesense:
Exactly my point. The method of our fore fathers; animal and human sacrifices and other fetish requirements were questionable.
People should be able to serve God willingly with having to offer anything to earn salvation or receive answers to prayers. I believe Christianity (true Christianity) shows to be better than that if our forefathers in that regard.

Thanks.

You claim their methods were questionable, yet they found salvation? If the better way gives the same result, then it is not special. Was it worth all the suffering of Christ?

tctrills:
For no fault of theirs, our ancestors did not hear about Christ or Christianity would they be punished for that or would they be given a second chance?

It is written
Timothy 2.3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Also
Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

No one preached to our ancestors so is it the will of God that they also be saved and come to a knowledge of Him?

Religion is a deadly weapon created by man. God belongs to no religion. The certitude of some religions claiming ownership of God is absolutely ridiculous and extremely senseless.

tctrills:
sufficient: enough; adequate. I just checked the dictionary.
So again, was the law enough for salvation?
So, like the new note, please note how the gospel improves the law if both give salvation

Good.

So it's ENOUGH to get to your father's house by road.

Years later, your father discovered flaws in that old route and asked you to fly going forward if you want to come home

1. Will the old route still be considered ENOUGH?

2. Are you going to disobey your father?

This is common sense

Pearl1910:
Pls quote the scriptures. To back up all these claims

Romans 2:12-16 (KJV) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

femi4:
Good.

So it's ENOUGH to get to your father's house by road.

Years later, your father discovered flaws in that old route and asked you to fly going forward if you want to come home

1. Will the old route still be considered ENOUGH?

2. Are you going to disobey your father?

This is common sense

To answer your first question, yes, the road is still enough. I travel to Enugu from Lagos by air and sometimes by road, and both serve the purpose; they both are enough.

Now let me ask you the same question. If you have a road from Enugu to Lagos, but then you want to create an air route, only to discover that it would require the death and extreme pain and suffering of your first son. A pain beyond anything imaginable, would you make your son go through such pain, or would you continue with the road?
Again, if the roadway way available to all your children, no matter their beliefs, to come into your presence, but then the air travel is only available to your children of a certain belief (in this case, Christians), would it be worth it? In fact, which would you consider better, a road that is open to all or by air that is only available to very few?

The gospel must be heard. Go through my post again. In 1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 Jesus preached to the spirits in prison. The spirit were people that have died before but did not have the privilledge to have listened to or rejected the gospel.

(1 Peter 3:19) "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison." This verse refers to Jesus, after his death, proclaiming his victory over sin and death to spirits held captive, who are understood by some to be fallen angels or those who rejected God's message in Noah's time.

1 Peter 4:6 " For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

The fact remains that, the gospel must be heard and accepted by anyone living or dead before judgement.

Romans 10:10-17 "With the heart we beleive unto righeousness, but with the mouth confession is made unto salvation"

So when they have heard the gospel, it's left for them to believe it or not.

tctrills:
Let me ask a question to understand you. If someone did not hear the gospel but was very good at keeping natural revelation as you call it. These are good and just men but they did not know Christ, what would be their fate?

For me , talking about God and our Ancestors......i think they believe in God more than we.....they are closer to nature and more spiritual.
talking about believing in Jesus and his teachings ..... every Generation has its teacher sent to them ....

If you go deep into research ..you will understand better that it's not "belief" that matters ... it's "knowing" GOD (So much is hidden in the word GOD).....If you read your bible well ..there is a Verse where Jesus told the people that they are God's.........
A lot is yet to be understood ,let me just stop here

igatit:
The gospel must be heard. Go through my post again. In 1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 Jesus preached to the spirits in prison. The spirit were people that have died before but did not have the privilledge to have listened to or rejected the gospel.

(1 Peter 3:19) "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison." This verse refers to Jesus, after his death, proclaiming his victory over sin and death to spirits held captive, who are understood by some to be fallen angels or those who rejected God's message in Noah's time.

1 Peter 4:6 " For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

The fact remains that, the gospel must be heard and accepted by anyone living or dead before judgement.

Romans 10:10-17 "With the heart we beleive unto righeousness, but with the mouth confession is made unto salvation"

So when they have heard the gospel, it's left for them to believe it or not.

This makes a lot of sense though.
Why don't Christians talk about this. But then, it says the gospel was preached to those in the days of Noah. My great great grandfather came after Noah, does he also get a chance to hear the gospel.

tctrills:
You claim their methods were questionable, yet they found salvation? If the better way gives the same result, then it is not special. Was it worth all the suffering of Christ?

Our parents gave birth to many kids in order to use them to work in the farm and they achieved their aims because they became prosperous. The white men opened our eyes to mechanized farming which made it easy for us to achieve our aims and become prosperous. One was easier than the other but both were prosperous and acceptable during their different times.
BOTTOM LINE:
Jesus went through a lot to make access to salvation easier for us, but this method will not get to all places at once, others will die before it gets to their society. Won't it be cruel to judge someone based on what they have not even been given opportunity to even hear of or they are not so convinced about?

Some herdsmen will choose moving their cows from one location to another over ranching (even though ranching is easier, less stressful and economically wise than free range). That is the power of choice. Many will chose the easier route, other will prefer the difficult route due to their conviction.
IT IS NOT A MATTER OF GOOD VERSUS BAD HERE. IT IS A MATTER OF EASIER GOOD AND HARDER GOOD.

Thanks.

lawani:
Both Earth and heaven are civilizations and spirits get incarnated on Earth to obtain food to sustain them in heaven. As a spirit you can only incarnate among your children. There is no hell but a spirit can get knocked out of existence. This happens when they lose a debate with another spirit while at the lowest empathy rank of six. A debate loss will mean a drop in empathy rank. If you are at the highest empathy rank you will have ten times the normal appetite for food as a spirit.
I got all these and more by using IFA the Yoruba divination system to research.

😂😂😂 Empathy rank! 🤣🤣🤣
This reminds me of solo leveling😂. Now, Let me get this straight 🤔, E-rank spirits get knocked out, possibly out of existence, when they run out `food` or suffer a "loss" 😁—what kind of loss? 🤔An argumentative loss🤕, this stuff is golden👻!

Also, you mentioned. They come to earth to eat🤔 for heavenly sustenance 🤨! Not for earthly sustenance 🤨 but heavenly sustenance 😂.

Your kind of spirits are remarkable to say the least 😁, top-notch spirits!

tctrills:
sufficient: enough; adequate. I just checked the dictionary.
So again, was the law enough for salvation?
So, like the new note, please note how the gospel improves the law if both give salvation

I remember a time when people wrote seminary exams believing the earth was the center of the universe, I remember a time when the people wrote exams while relying on Dalton's atomic law(which by modern standards 👀 falls short!), I remember when people kill twins for fear of bad luck, I remember when people throw their children into fire to make their ways easier, I remember a time when every man did what was right in his/her sight!

For everytime and space, based on knowledge there is a framework. Also, God relates with you based on your knowledge! It's pretty foolish to teach a baby Maxwell's equations!

Thus based on the fact that they do not have Jesus, a different yardstick will be used which hinges on the Lord being Merciful!

If you had taken an exam, when the entire world believed the earth was the center of the universe, and a question was asked about it; If you said yes, it was! It will be marked as correct for you but by today's standards we know it's wrong. Thus if you were to mark such a script you might give the argument of "ignorance" and overlook it for such a person. How be it God?

This exemplifies the state those before are! Their fate is totally hinged on God's Mercy!

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂 Empathy rank! 🤣🤣🤣
This reminds me of solo leveling😂. Now, Let me get this straight 🤔, E-rank spirits get knocked out, possibly out of existence, when they run out `food` or suffer a "loss" 😁—what kind of loss? 🤔An argumentative loss🤕, this stuff is golden👻!

Also, you mentioned. They come to earth to eat🤔 for heavenly sustenance 🤨! Not for earthly sustenance 🤨 but heavenly sustenance 😂.

Your kind of spirits are remarkable to say the least 😁, top-notch spirits!

According to my research, we are food farms for our spirits. When you spend hundred years on Earth, it will avail you hundred years in heaven and if you do good deeds, hundred years may earn you even five thousand years. All according to my research using ifa

lawani:
According to my research, we are food farms for our spirits. When you spend hundred years on Earth, it will avail you hundred years in heaven and if you do good deeds, hundred years may earn you even five thousand years. All according to my research using ifa

word of mouth research? Or real actual research?🤔 If you want to research such a thing, shouldn't you be replicating those `war journalist`—those on the ground, or in your case in heaven👀, filming and recording details—not this shambolic rhetoric you call research👀!

May we ask about your methodology? 🤨

Gabrielshow24:
word of mouth research? Or real actual research?🤔 If you want to research such a thing, shouldn't you be replicating those `war journalist`—those on the ground, or in your case in heaven👀, filming and recording details—not this shambolic rhetoric you call research👀!

May we ask about your methodology? 🤨

If you were an Awo Orunmila you would understand that IFA can be used to get answers from the spirit realm. There are 256 signs to listen to. It is straight forward if your spirit wants to grant the requests

lawani:
If you were an Awo Orunmila you would understand that IFA can be used to get answers from the spirit realm. There are 256 signs to listen to. It is straight forward if your spirit wants to grant the requests

Hmm, I never knew Ifa dealt in base two😂😂😂. Never mind, I will look into it later😂😂!

One thing is sure, the spirits telling you this should be beaten and imprisoned 😂— They have told you a blatant lie! You should have told them to take you, to see first hand🤔 since you are still young👀 as you will only use {insert_your_age_here} number of years in heaven then you will be back to explain😁 things for us!

tctrills:
For no fault of theirs, our ancestors did not hear about Christ or Christianity would they be punished for that or would they be given a second chance?

It is written
Timothy 2.3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Also
Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

No one preached to our ancestors so is it the will of God that they also be saved and come to a knowledge of Him?

Romans 2 will apply:

For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will take place in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare."

What God is basically saying with the Laws He has given is Love your neighbour as yourself. There has been people who died and saw themselves in heaven, some were atheists. There judgment was based on how they loved people and their families.

HEAVEN4444:
Who lied to you that the ancestors never heard about God ? They called him Olodumare. Mary is Osun. Devil is eshu. Solomon is Orunmila etc etc. white man just change the names

Solomon orunmila kee 👀

Solofresh2:
Solomon orunmila kee 👀

😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 is the wise man na. Same man in both text. Both of them love astrology too. That is their divinatory tool. So you are blessed with the spirit of Solomon Orunmila. Yes you are 😏😏😄😄

HEAVEN4444:
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 is the wise man na. Same man in both text. Both of them love astrology too. That is their divinatory tool. So you are blessed with the spirit of Solomon Orunmila. Yes you are 😏😏😄😄

Yes I am

Solofresh2:
Yes I am

king Solo baba. Eku ijoko Sir 🙌🙌😁😁

tctrills:
For no fault of theirs, our ancestors did not hear about Christ or Christianity would they be punished for that or would they be given a second chance?

It is written
Timothy 2.3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Also
Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

No one preached to our ancestors so is it the will of God that they also be saved and come to a knowledge of Him?

Your only reading what you were told. Our Ancestors are the true way to worship our creator. They are the servant of our creator. The white man came and brought a kind of religion with laws and you accepted without asking yourself some questions.
-where is hell
- where is heaven
Heaven is paradise so they said, all things are good no hate but joy & happiness there. & I ask what brought about the fall of Satan. I read is jealous and greedy.. so many questions

HEAVEN4444:
king Solo baba. Eku ijoko Sir 🙌🙌😁😁

HEAVEN4444:
Who lied to you that the ancestors never heard about God ? They called him Olodumare. Mary is Osun. Devil is eshu. Solomon is Orunmila etc etc. white man just change the names

Man has not revealed this to you and it's definitely not God😂! Na only you sabi where you bring your own from🤣. This has really made my day. It's good to laugh once in while! Thanks for the humor👌.

tctrills:
For no fault of theirs, our ancestors did not hear about Christ or Christianity would they be punished for that or would they be given a second chance?

It is written
Timothy 2.3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Also
Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

No one preached to our ancestors so is it the will of God that they also be saved and come to a knowledge of Him?

They will be judged according to their Faith in the One True God and the Works they wrought with their hands and the thoughts in their Heart.

Lukuluku69:
They will be judged according to their Faith in the One True God and the Works they wrought with their hands and the thoughts in their Heart.

How can they have faith when they have no teacher

tctrills:
How can they have faith when they have no teacher

There have been Teachers. In some Books, 144,000 of them scattered through every Nations of the World. Some you have their names in the Book you draw your references from, some left out.

The issues is that the Judeo-Christian belief doesn't consider them as being Teachers despite the fact that they are mentioned in the Bible.

Ballam/Balaam, Jonah and Job are just a few Examples.

God is not unfair. Romans 2:14–15 makes it clear that those without the law are judged by their conscience.

If they lived uprightly with the knowledge they had, God in His mercy will judge righteously. Salvation is through Christ, yes — but God also looks at the heart and light available.

Our part now is to make sure those alive today hear the gospel while there’s still time 🙏🏽