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DeepSight:
1. The fact that people worship anyone as God does nothing to make that person God. People have deified many fellow humans as God throughout the ages and worshipped them as such. This is a common thing with humanity.

2. Many people have claimed to be God. I am sure you have heard of even Olumba Olumba Obu right here in Nigeria who claims the same and is so worshipped. The writer of the Grail Message makes the same claim. Many many others do and are so worshipped.

3. Look carefully at the red bold. You claimed its not by attributes. What then is the red bold.

4. Look carefully at the blue bold. A manifestation you said. Tell me what in this world is not a manifestation of God. Even an ant is.

God incarnate, you know exactly what I mean, not ant.

The red bold is NOT necessary for my belief but it happened so, so I put it there.

There is no one else in human history that has ALL that happened with Christ happen with them!

FreeIgboho:
God incarnate, you know exactly what I mean, not ant.

The red bold is NOT necessary for my belief but it happened so, so I put it there.

There is no one else in human history that has ALL that happened with Christ happen with them!

What evidence is there that all those things happened. Let's start with evidence that he was born of a virgin. Then move to evidence that he was resurrected from the dead.

What evidence do you have of all the miracles.

I hope you know that many miracles are listed in Hindu scripture as well. Why don't you accept those as true?

DeepSight:
What evidence is there that all those things happened. Let's start with evidence that he was born of a virgin. Then move to evidence that he was resurrected from the dead.

What evidence do you have of all the miracles.

I hope you know that many miracles are listed in Hindu scripture as well. Why don't you accept those as true?

This thread is predicated on the assumption that the Bible is essentially true. There were eyewitnesses and they or their associates wrote about the miracles.

Give examples of the Hindu miracles. Probably some far-fetched fairy tale you can see right away is ridiculous.

FreeIgboho:
We're talking of two completely different things. Every community ostracizes. I was reading of a man ostracized and banished from his community for impregnating his own daughter. Quite different from ostracizing him for deciding he no longer wanted to live in the town thus coercing him to stay - that's the JW practice that causes accusations of cult!

So the one Paul talked about here:

Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17

And the one John talked about here:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 1:10-11

Committed what crime o?

FreeIgboho:
This thread is predicated on the assumption that the Bible is essentially true. There were eyewitnesses and they or their associates wrote about the miracles.

Give examples of the Hindu miracles. Probably some far-fetched fairy tale you can see right away is ridiculous.

And the miracles in the Bible are not far fetched fairy tales?
No one can take you seriously.

You are not objective.

FreeIgboho:
There you go with the false name again. YHWH is ONE God with different manifestations. One of them is the Son, Jesus.

Your friend on the other thread even said Yahweh is a demon yet he agreed with your I AM God nah so let your own God be whatever you want our own God is JEHOVAH!

FreeIgboho:
You are the one harping on "works" when that's NOT what we're discussing. So I finally gave you one of the famous works of JW

So you don't know what works means a group can't have a work that's not what they are known for everywhere they are.

That's why i asked you if you've known JWs in your own neighborhood practicing what you called "their works"

FreeIgboho:
Simple. Hundreds of years in advance, Prophets said God was coming. Someone came and said he was the God, had no sin, did miracles, forgave sins, accepted worship, rose from dead. 2025 years later he's still being worshipped as God and his worshippers blessed.
If same thing happens with ANYBODY I'd also believe they're manifestation of God. Nothing for me to reason!

When Jehovah said:

"I will go down to Egypt in order to rescue the descendants of Jacob" Exodus 3:7-8

How come it was Moses Pharaoh saw and not Jehovah o? Exodus 7:1

We told you that Jesus served as God's representative just as Moses did {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} but you keep say your I AM is three in one!

MaxInDHouse:
So the one Paul talked about here:

Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17

And the one John talked about here:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 1:10-11

Committed what crime o?

This is NOT what JW practices
Like I said before, none of these has anything to do with choosing to belong to a different congregation!

FreeIgboho:
This is NOT what JW practices
Like I said before, none of these has anything to do with choosing to belong to a different congregation!

You called it "denominations" but those Christians back then called it apostasy because they all have the same line of thought regarding doctrine {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} so if any of them decides to go back to worship in the temple with Judaists after baptizing as one of them they will SHUN the person!

I wonder why you can't stop Jesus' first century disciples from SHUNNING after all they are talking about members who leaves their group! 1John 2:19

DeepSight:
And the miracles in the Bible are not far fetched fairy tales?
No one can take you seriously.

You are not objective.

You know what I mean. Refer to Moremii tale about who rules the world and how he was born.

Raising a man from dead in presence of witnesses is NOT fairy tale!

MaxInDHouse:
Your friend on the other thread even said Yahweh is a demon yet he agreed with your I AM God nah so let your own God be whatever you want our own God is JEHOVAH!

"I Am" is simply Jewish shortened name iof God. They can't be writing all the time: "I am that I am". They simply shortened it to "I Am"

MaxInDHouse:
So you don't know what works means a group can't have a work that's not what they are known for everywhere they are.

That's why i asked you if you've known JWs in your own neighborhood practicing what you called "their works"

Neither do I know Catholics practicing pervasive either

FreeIgboho:
I did NOT say I don't believe the world around me. Of course I do! Only that just my senses and reasoning are NOT the final proof of anything.
In case of Jesus, things writen in a book that has been in existence since forever are the deciding factors NOT my senses and logic!

LoLz. Dude this is still crazy talk. In what way are supposed to receive evidence if not your senses?

2000 years is not forever. See why I think you don't know what you are talking about,you can't even properly evaluate the age of a storybook. Bwahahahahahaha!

FreeIgboho:
"I Am" is simply Jewish shortened name iof God. They can't be writing all the time: "I am that I am". They simply shortened it to "I Am"

You can repeat it a million times that's not what my own Bible says, JEHOVAH is the name of our God so continue with your I AM we are OK with JEHOVAH!

FreeIgboho:
Neither do I know Catholics practicing pervasive either

See how your arguments is incoherent!

Did i accuse Catholics for such a thing as the works of their faith?

Ọmọ i will keep telling you that you know nothing you just feel like arguing.

The works of a group should be what they does everywhere you find them not what you heard but can't confirm when members of that same group are in your own neighborhood!

MaxInDHouse:
When Jehovah said:

"I will go down to Egypt in order to rescue the descendants of Jacob" Exodus 3:7-8

How come it was Moses Pharaoh saw and not Jehovah o? Exodus 7:1

We told you that Jesus served as God's representative just as Moses did {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} but you keep say your I AM is three in one!

Who foretold the coming of Moses? Did Moses ever tell anyone once you've seen him you've seen God.l? Did the Jews ever tried to stone Moses for claiming to be God? Did any kings come and knelt to Moses when he was a child? Did any Simeon the old man or Anna the old Widow recognize him as a child, was Moses ever after anyone's soul or tell anyone to allow him into their hearts or say that he was one with God, or say he was the righteousness and the life, did anyone ever worship Moses as God after he died?

FreeIgboho:
Who foretold the coming of Moses? Did Moses ever told anyone once you've seen him you've seen God. Did the Jews ever tried to stone Moses for claiming to be God. Did any kings come and knelt to Moses when he was a child. Did any Simeon the old man or Anna the old Widow recognize him as a child, did Moses ever after anyone's soul or tell anyone to allow him into their hearts or say that he was one with God, did anyone ever worship Moses as God after he died?

Irrelevant questions!

God told the Israelites:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} just as Moses served as God's representative {Exodus 7:1} Jesus also served as God's representative and throughout he keeps telling everyone that his father is the only true God! John 17:3; 20:17

I wonder how three people forming one god could be quantiified as ONLY o!

MaxInDHouse:
You called it "denominations" but those Christians back then called it apostasy because they all have the same line of thought regarding doctrine {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} so if any of them decides to go back to worship in the temple with Judaists after baptizing as one of them they will SHUN the person!

Give an example. That's just one of the cultist means of isolating members and it is one of the main signs of a cult

LordReed:
LoLz. Dude this is still crazy talk. In what way are supposed to receive evidence if not your senses?

2000 years is not forever. See why I think you don't know what you are talking about,you can't even properly evaluate the age of a storybook. Bwahahahahahaha!

See the way it happened with Jesus, that's the way. Instead of using your puny human reasoning to decide whether God exists and who is God!

Forever is a figure of speech!

MaxInDHouse:
You can repeat it a million times that's not what my own Bible says, JEHOVAH is the name of our God so continue with your I AM we are OK with JEHOVAH!

This "Jehovah" below or another one?

FreeIgboho:
See the way it happened with Jesus, that's the way. Instead of using your puny human reasoning to decide whether God exists and who is God!

Forever is a figure of speech!

The way it happened in a storybook? What are you 12? LoLz.

Of course it was. I was using it to rib you.

LordReed:
The way it happened in a storybook? What are you 12? LoLz.

Of course it was. I was using it to rib you.

Why did the person who produced such an enduring masterpiece of a storybook produce only one?

I actually appreciate the ribbing. Didn't know you have a sense of ribbing!

MaxInDHouse:
See how your arguments is incoherent!

Did i accuse Catholics for such a thing as the works of their faith?

Ọmọ i will keep telling you that you know nothing you just feel like arguing.

The works of a group should be what they does everywhere you find them not what you heard but can't confirm when members of that same group are in your own neighborhood!

And I asked you to give example of such "works" and compare to Catholics. And told you a group that stands aloof while people are tortured should NOT be talking about "works"!

MaxInDHouse:
Irrelevant questions!

God told the Israelites:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} just as Moses served as God's representative {Exodus 7:1} Jesus also served as God's representative and throughout he keeps telling everyone that his father is the only true God! John 17:3; 20:17

I wonder how three people forming one god could be quantiified as ONLY o!

Jesus clearly told you who he was - right after he told you who JohnTB was. Do you think you know the scriptures better than him, that he did not know about the prophet?

Why don't you wonder how God can be listening to a billion prayers at once or be in heaven and in your heart at same time??

FreeIgboho:
Give an example. That's just one of the cultist means of isolating members and it is one of the main signs of a cult.

Those that turned against the Christian doctrine {1John 2:19} what should other members do to them? Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

FreeIgboho:
This "Jehovah" below or another one?

Obviously you don't understand what is happening on the Internet!

Many articles has been written against Jesus on the Internet claiming he never existed why don't you believe such articles?

FreeIgboho:
And I asked you to give example of such "works" and compare to Catholics. And told you a group that stands aloof while people are tortured should NOT be talking about "works"!

Please expatiate on the highlighted!

FreeIgboho:
Jesus clearly told you who he was - right after he told you who JohnTB was. Do you think you know the scriptures better than him, that he did not know about the prophet?
Why don't you wonder how God can be listening to a billion prayers at once or be in heaven and in your heart at same time??

Jesus said it again and again that he is the Son! Son!! Son!!! Of God not God himself o!

FreeIgboho:
Why did the person who produced such an enduring masterpiece of a storybook produce only one?

I actually appreciate the ribbing. Didn't know you have a sense of ribbing!

You mean you don't know the Bible is a compendium that was put together by committee? Men you really need to go and rethink your life.

LordReed:
You mean you don't know the Bible is a compendium that was put together by committee? Men you really need to go and rethink your life.

This is why i don't blame atheists and agnostics saying the Bible is a myth.

How can a right thinking person say the book is a masterpiece yet he couldn't explain what is written in the book in a convincing way?

The same person said it's not a book to be understood yet he insult individuals who queries the intention of it's Author?

He keeps ignoring the fact that in the absence of a practical application which supposed to help observers grasp the intention of the author the whole thing is rubbish.

There are many books written all in the name of sacred writings and many people have fabricated stories about God/Gods of all kinds, contradictions is everywhere as if they are all speculating with nothing to show as evidence of the presence of their God/Gods.

Any intellectual will ask for the WORKS of this so called "God" in the midst of His worshipers so that we can all observe what this God is up to.

If it's just about what is written in books then we have to start going through thousands of books written about thousands of Gods after all none of these Gods has showed up for a verification!

A true carpenter can only be justified if products having to do with carpentry are not missing in his showroom, a true chef should be able to cook good meals, a true physician supposed to have drugs for different kinds of ailments in the same manner the true God should be able to maintain PEACE among His worshipers who are from different nations, tribes and ethnic groups.

The universal definition of God is Supreme Being and no one is can claim supreme if there is no peace among His subjects.

In the absence of a practical application that's working out real benefits among adherents either the Author or Translator is wrong!