₦airaland Forum

TemporaryHansel:
See rumdeuter and oasisx spearheading tribalism here meanwhile they celebrate when Nigerians get embraced, chosen for top posts, or elected in other countries. The hypocrisy stinks.

I am always for respecting your host anywhere you go. Immigration is a privilege given by the hosts and not a right

That is why I am against those who are protesting immigration laws in America and flying Mexican and other foreign flags while burning US flags

You wont see me dragging immigration with an American because I do not have any right to their land, the only place I have rights to is Oyo state the land of my ancestors not another man's land

raumdeuter:
I am always for respecting your host anywhere you go. Immigration is a privilege given by the hosts and not a right

That is why I am against those who are protesting immigration laws in America and flying Mexican and other foreign flags while burning US flags

You wont see me dragging immigration with an American because I do not have any right to their land, the only place I have rights to is Oyo state the land of my ancestors not another man's land

When u say dragging, does contesting an election against a native count as dragging with the host?

BlueRayDick:
When u say dragging, does contesting an election against a native count as dragging with the host?

When I say dragging like telling them their land is no mans land. Denigrating their cultures of way of life, Or insisting they grant me rights I wont grant them at my place

For them to allow me stay in their country and give me what my own land wont give me, they have already overtried

Arnold Schwazenegger one of the greatest immigrant story said recently when you come to America, you’re a guest, and you have to behave like a guest. Like when I go to someone’s house and I’m a guest, then I will do everything I can to keep things clean, and to make my bed and to do everything that is the right thing to do

BlueRayDick:
I saw a guy making an argument that Nigeria has terrible diplomats, hence why we are getting all these bashing from different countries. He's arguing that some of our immigration guidelines/protocols do not favor foreigners so they are only adjusting their immigration rules to match ours.

He said we don't give foreigners long term visas so most of those countries are only reciprocating by tightening the noose around our necks abroad too.

I don't know how true his assertions are tho

His assertions, especially as it relates to reciprocity, are correct. It was fool’ish for Nigerian Immigration policy makers to cut the prior 5-yr multiple entry visa policy to a single-entry visa policy of 3 months validity.

What were they expecting other countries to do? To ignore our policy somersault and blindly continue being relatively generous with multiple entry visas for Nigerians? Nah. Diplomacy doesn’t work that way.

raumdeuter:
When I say dragging like telling them their land is no mans land. Denigrating their cultures of way of life, Or insisting they grant me rights I wont grant them at my place

For them to allow me stay in their country and give me what my own land wont give me, they have already overtried

Lol, you know a lot of the things you give as your opinions in the US thread can be termed by persons who consider themselves as true American's as you not respecting the way of life of the hosts?

In fact, with the way America's politics is so polarized, it's impossible to pick a position on anything without it being deemed you disrespecting a set of "hosts".

Theflint1:
Lol, you know a lot of the things you give as your opinions in the US thread can be termed by persons who consider themselves as true American's as you not respecting the hosts.

In fact, with the way America's politics is so polarized, it's impossible to pick a position on anything without it deemed disrespecting a set of "hosts".

They can be polarized on policies but the fabric of America I will never disrespect
Most of my comments in American politics are very respectful of my host and I always repeat how I am grateful to be given the privilege to be here. Its not my right. America has given to me more than my home land did

I will never support anyone who disrespect Americas military, disrespect their culture, burn American flag, chant "death to America" .

raumdeuter:
When I say dragging like telling them their land is no mans land. Denigrating their cultures of way of life, Or insisting they grant me rights I wont grant them at my place

For them to allow me stay in their country and give me what my own land wont give me, they have already overtried

Arnold Schwazenegger one of the greatest immigrant story said recently when you come to America, you’re a guest, and you have to behave like a guest. Like when I go to someone’s house and I’m a guest, then I will do everything I can to keep things clean, and to make my bed and to do everything that is the right thing to do

There are several Nigerians online who talk down on the American way of life. I don't think the US has prevented Nigerians from contesting elections because of that. There are videos of Nigerians who talk down on the British's culture of taking their elderly ones to care home instead of taking care of the kids taking care of them at home like we Africans do. I don't think Nigerians in general have been victimized because of that over there.

Ethnic Arabs and Africans have been joining protests in the west for years and I don't think those western countries have made it a policy to exclude people from such countries from contesting and voting in an election.

What happened during 2023 elections is shameful and should not be happening in this age and time. There's actually no justification for it. Election is supposed to be a test of popularity, let the candidate who manages to amass the most votes win. People should not be prevented from exercising their franchise because of their skin color, where they originally hail from or who u perceive they will vote for.

PDPGuy:
His assertions, especially as it relates to reciprocity, are correct. It was fool’ish for Nigerian Immigration policy makers to cut the prior 5-yr multiple entry visa policy to a single-entry visa policy of 3 months validity.

What were they expecting other countries to do? To ignore our policy somersault and blindly continue being relatively generous with multiple entry visas for Nigerians? Nah. Diplomacy doesn’t work that way.

Do u think Tinubu's failure to appoint ambassadors till date may be a factor responsible for this foreign policy somersault?

BlueRayDick:
When u say dragging, does contesting an election against a native count as dragging with the host?

raumdeuter:
They can be polarized on policies but the fabric of America I will never disrespect
Most of my comments in American politics are very respectful of my host and I always repeat how I am grateful to be given the privilege to be here. Its not my right. America has given to me more than my home land did

I will never support anyone who disrespect Americas military, disrespect their culture, burn American flag, chant "death to America" .

And how do you know your comments are respectful? Is it by saying you appreciate the opportunity America gave you after expressing opinions that tons of true Americans would disagree with?

I'm sure a lot of democrats and far left groups would not look kindly to some of the things you say about what they consider to be the culture of America. Heck they might even question your right to even have an opinion about their country.

raumdeuter:
When I say dragging like telling them their land is no mans land. Denigrating their cultures of way of life, Or insisting they grant me rights I wont grant them at my place

For them to allow me stay in their country and give me what my own land wont give me, they have already overtried

Arnold Schwazenegger one of the greatest immigrant story said recently when you come to America, you’re a guest, and you have to behave like a guest. Like when I go to someone’s house and I’m a guest, then I will do everything I can to keep things clean, and to make my bed and to do everything that is the right thing to do

Egbon take this L in peace. We no wan fall senior man hand.

BlueRayDick:
There are several Nigerians online who talk down on the American way of life. I don't think the US has prevented Nigerians from contesting elections because of that. There are videos of Nigerians who talk down on the British's culture of taking their elderly ones to care home instead of taking care of the kids taking care of them at home like we Africans do. I don't think Nigerians in general have been victimized because of that over there.

Ethnic Arabs and Africans have been joining protests in the west for years and I don't think those western countries have made it a policy to exclude people from such countries from contesting and voting in an election.

What happened during 2023 elections is shameful and should not be happening in this age and time. There's actually no justification for it. Election is supposed to be a test of popularity, let the candidate who manages to amass the most votes win. People should not be prevented from exercising their franchise because of their skin color, where they original hail from or who u perceive they will vote for.

The response to any Nigerian that talks down America, Britain etc is why are you not going back to your homeland

The govt can make it a policy or the people who feel insulted can take action. Many Western govt are starting to take sweeping actions against countries or people from a region if they feel they are not respecting their cultures
Trump banned travelers into US from all Islamic countries in his first tenure, The current govt is revoking visas and Green cards of people who are foreigners and insulting the country

Why do you think they are asking for all Social Media handles before applying for a visa. No govt have to accept you if they feel you are disrespectful of them

Let there be enough Nigerians making those comments to be noticed and you will see the response from the govt

Now to the individuals, There are Britons and Americans and Europeans who are pissed at the behavior of those they see as antagonistic foreigners. There was a riot in UK last year where hotels housing some Arab immigrants were attacked. A Mexican who in the last few weeks when the riots was going on chose to fly a Big Mexican flag on his car and he was flashed a gun by someone who feels he is disrespecting his own America

When you are an immigrant its basic common sense to be respectful of your host and their traditions. I wont go to Saudi or any Moslem country and decide my ancestors always have to eat pork and I must rear pork even if their cultures are against it

Theflint1:
And how do you know your comments are respectful? Is it by saying you appreciate the opportunity America gave you after expressing opinions that tons of true Americans would disagree with?

I'm sure a lot of democrats and far left groups would not look kindly to some of the things you say about what they consider to be the culture of America. Heck they might even question your right to even have an opinion about their country.

The left are mostly those who try to denigrate Americas culture and the right are those who uphold Americas culture.

Actually the criticism of the right is that they are too patriotic and flag huggers

TemporaryHansel:
Egbon take this L in peace. We no wan fall senior man hand.

L which L, you dey see L everywhere you cannot write L-der without the L neither your current moniker of Temporaryhans-L

The L is not temporary anymore, Its now permanent

BlueRayDick is it because Lagos state was forced to stop tolling that's why they left that whole road to rot away.. Because I don't understand it.
With all the high PAYE they receive from companies/businesses on that road

Melvyn11:
Davido just dey give trolls wotowoto for Twitter. Disrespect don too much.

After spending that much money on an album rollout and buying jollof rice for half the influencers on Twitter, only to see his album displaced to No 13, I'd be mad too. E transfer aggression give yarlo forgetting say yarlo na unrepentant troll, e don lock yarlo up before still the boy no gree repent, he for no reply am

raumdeuter:
The govt can make it a policy or the people who feel insulted can take action. Many Western govt are starting to take sweeping actions against countries or people from a region if they feel they are not respecting their cultures
Trump banned travelers into US from all Islamic countries in his first tenure, The current govt is revoking visas and Green cards of people who are foreigners and insulting the country

Why do you think they are asking for all Social Media handles before applying for a visa. No govt have to accept you if they feel you are disrespectful of them

Now to the individuals, There are Britons and Americans and Europeans who are pissed at the behavior of those they see as antagonistic foreigners. There was a riot in UK last year where hotels housing some Arab immigrants were attacked. A Mexican who in the last few weeks when the riots was going on chose to fly a Big Mexican flag on his car and he was flashed a gun by someone who feels he is disrespecting his own America

When you are an immigrant its basic common sense to be respectful of your host and their traditions. I wont go to Saudi or any Moslem country and decide my ancestors always have to eat pork and I must rear pork even if their cultures are against it

In all of this u have said, u have not mentioned instances where people have been denied their constitutional rights because they "denigrate" their host's culture.


I guess u really can't bring up a justification for the shameful conduct we witnessed during the last election.

Even when people are to be deported in western countries like America, people still contest the decision in law courts. But here we make it seem like a group of people should be denied their franchise because their kinsmen posts something gbey probably don't agree with online.

liveLongNprospa:
BlueRayDick is it because Lagos state was forced to stop tolling that's why they left that whole road to rot away.. Because I don't understand it.
With all the high PAYE they receive from companies/businesses on that road

I think Sanwoolu has just been poor generally when it comes to road infrastrure. Perhaps Ambode over achieved in his 4 years and it makes it difficult for one to really hold Sanwoolu to that standard.

Although Sanwoolu commissioned some roads recently but to be honest he has been below par in delivering on road projects in the past 6 years.

raumdeuter:
L which L, you dey see L everywhere you cannot write L-der without the L neither your current moniker of Temporaryhans-L

The L is not temporary anymore, Its now permanent

You’re typing from the comfort of a country built on immigration, diversity, and merit, yet you’re here justifying tribal gatekeeping like you’re defending your family compound. You speak of "respecting your host" while supporting a system in Lagos that disrespects fellow Nigerians, people who share the same passport and pay the same taxes.

You enjoy the full benefits of a country where nobody asked if your ancestors were on the Mayflower before giving you healthcare, security, and the chance to thrive, but back home you support laws that ask other Nigerians to show state-of-origin receipts before they can even vote?

You say immigration is a privilege, so what is freedom of movement within your own country? Or is that also a privilege now, handed out based on dialect?
You live in the US where people from everywhere become governors, senators, even vice president, nobody tells them to “go back to their ancestral state.” But the moment an Igbo man wants to contest councillorship in Lagos, you're on the frontline with your "go back to your village" hymnal.

Celebrating fairness abroad while pushing segregation at home is not patriotism, it's plain cowardice.

BlueRayDick:
In all of this u have said, u have not mentioned instances where people have been denied their constitutional rights because they "denigrate" their host's culture.


I guess u really can't bring up a justification for the shameful conduct we witnessed during the last election.

Even when people are to be deported in western countries like America, people still contest the decision in law courts. But here we make it seem like a group of people should be denied their franchise because their kinsmen posts something gbey probably don't agree with online.

People's visas are revoked, peoples Green card are canceled, Countries are banned from entering the US. What more do they need to show you that Foreigners who disrespect them will face consequences

Whatever you saw in the election happens regularly all over Nigeria, Its simply agenda chasing to point to one part of the country. There is nothing showing that any govt in Nigeria is doing that

In America and Europe too, an individual or groups of individuals can choose to react to provocation without govt endorsement of their actions. Like those who attacked hotels where some immigrants are living

raumdeuter:
The left are mostly those who try to denigrate Americas culture and the right are those who uphold Americas culture.

Actually the criticism of the right is that they are too patriotic and flag huggers

This is your opinion, a lot on the left point to the constitution as what protects their right to have the opinions they have, and every now and again have the courts rule favorably on those opinions, so you can't truly say which group is disrespecting the American way of life. In fact, that a ruling is made on something today does not mean it won't change down the road, so what's considered the American way of life evolves, and room is created for this in their constitution that allows for freedom of expression.

Actually, if you really deep am, the only way you can say you're being truly respectful of people's way of life is by abstaining...you can't camp on the American politics thread expressing strong opinions on issues and say you're respectful to a people's way of life. It's like you come to my house and see my wife and I having disagreement over an issue then you the visitor starts expressing strong opinions on the issue, no way it won't be seen that you've disrespected either of us, or even the both of us sef.

liveLongNprospa:
BlueRayDick is it because Lagos state was forced to stop tolling that's why they left that whole road to rot away.. Because I don't understand it.
With all the high PAYE they receive from companies/businesses on that road

Which road is rotting away

TemporaryHansel:
You’re typing from the comfort of a country built on immigration, diversity, and merit, yet you’re here justifying tribal gatekeeping like you’re defending your family compound. You speak of "respecting your host" while supporting a system in Lagos that disrespects fellow Nigerians, people who share the same passport and pay the same taxes.
You enjoy the full benefits of a country where nobody asked if your ancestors were on the Mayflower before giving you healthcare, security, and the chance to thrive, but back home you support laws that ask other Nigerians to show state-of-origin receipts before they can even vote?
You say immigration is a privilege, so what is freedom of movement within your own country? Or is that also a privilege now, handed out based on dialect?
You live in the US where people from everywhere become governors, senators, even vice president, nobody tells them to “go back to their ancestral state.” But the moment an Igbo man wants to contest councillorship in Lagos, you're on the frontline with your "go back to your village" hymnal.
Celebrating fairness abroad while pushing segregation at home is not patriotism, it's plain cowardice.

How come this agenda about going back to your village is only focused on Lagos? Hw many places in Nigeria outside lagos do non indigenes get to contest

How come na only Lagos dey pain you?

This is a man proudly saying that Ebonyi indigenes cannot contest in Lagos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvt_EmU-0JY

Bianca Ojukwu was opposed in her bid to contest in Anambra state even though she was married to a prominent Anambra family
https://punchng.com/massob-opposes-bianca-ojukwus-senatorial-bid/
https://dailypost.ng/2018/09/05/2019-bianca-not-anambra-cant-senator-ojukwus-family-vow/

You never talk wetin dey pain you. Na so so Lagos Lagos Lagos

raumdeuter:
How come this agenda about going back to your village is only focused on Lagos? Hw many places in Nigeria outside lagos do non indigenes get to contest

How come na only Lagos dey pain you?

This is a man proudly saying that Ebonyi indigenes cannot contest in Lagos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvt_EmU-0JY

Bianca Ojukwu was opposed in her bid to contest in Anambra state even though she was married to a prominent Anambra family
https://punchng.com/massob-opposes-bianca-ojukwus-senatorial-bid/
https://dailypost.ng/2018/09/05/2019-bianca-not-anambra-cant-senator-ojukwus-family-vow/

You never talk wetin dey pain you. Na so so Lagos Lagos Lagos

Whataboutism.

Strictly on the principles of being respectful to your hosts, you have no right to express opnions on whatever true American's consider to be their way of life, not to mention attending political meetings, or being a registered member of a political party.

Theflint1:
This is your opinion, a lot on the left point to the constitution as what protects their right to have the opinions they have, and every now and again have the courts rule favorably on those opinions, so you can't truly say which group is disrespecting the American way of life. In fact, that a ruling is made on something today does not mean it won't change down the road, so what's considered the American way of life evolves, and room is created for this in their constitution that allows for freedom of expression.

Actually, if you really deep am, the only way you can say you're being truly respectful of people's way of life is by abstaining...you can't camp on the American politics thread expressing strong opinions on issues and say you're respectful to a people's way of life. It's like you come to my house and see my wife and I having disagreement over an issue then you the visitor starts expressing strong opinions on the issue, no way it won't be seen that you've disrespected either of us, or even the both of us sef.

Why not wait for an American to say that first abi? If Americans say Nigerians should not discuss the politics of America again then I will abide

Theflint1:
Whataboutism.

Why be say na only Lagos dey pain everyone when this is being done in everyone's village

In Edo your state, Ighodalo a man from Edo but unable to speak his native tongue became a problem, Hw much more if he was someone with roots from outside Edo

But na Lagos everyone carry for head. We know what you are doing

Theflint1:
Whataboutism.

.

That's his usual escape route.

raumdeuter:
Why be say na only Lagos dey pain everyone when this is being done in everyone's village

In Edo your state, Ighodalo a man from Edo but unable to speak his native tongue became a problem, Hw much more if he was someone with roots from outside Edo

But na Lagos everyone carry for head. We know what you are doing

Or maybe it's you that would say what's paining you about people doing the exact thing you do in America in Lagos.

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TemporaryHansel:
That's his usual escape route.

When you challenge hypocrisy, they claim its whataboutism

Why are you not bothered about those facts nor addressing them, why is it always Lagos Lagos,

Shey Enugu no be state or Anambra or Edo

TemporaryHansel:
That's his usual escape route.

You dey mind am...e go camp for America politics thread dey disrespect hosts day after day yet he doesn't want people do so same in what's a state within their country.

Theflint1:
Or maybe it's you that would say what's paining you about people doing the exact thing you do in America in Lagos.

People for your state say dem no want an Edo man by blood because he cannot speak your language but na the one for Lagos concern you pass not the one happening at home?