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TenQ:
TenQ had been shadowbanned for some times now. It is so serious that I may have to stop using Nairaland in it's entirety.

There is no Muslim that knows how to be saved. They only hope that by doing more religion, Allah will have mercy upon them.

They honestly want to be able to hold on to any guarantee BUT unfortunately, there isn't. This is their dilemma!

It’s quite revealing how you distort Islamic teachings to fit your own preconceived narrative, ignoring context and misrepresenting verses to score cheap theological points.

First, regarding Qur’an 46:9, the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said: “I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you…” — but you conveniently ignore its context. This statement was made early in his mission, demonstrating his absolute humility and complete reliance on Allah’s will. Unlike self-proclaimed “saved” individuals, the Prophet ﷺ never claimed independent power over salvation — because ultimate judgment belongs to Allah alone. Ironically, this verse only reinforces the pure Tawhid (Oneness of God) that Islam upholds: no human being, not even a Prophet, assumes the position of a divine judge.

Second, your claim that “Muslims don’t know how to be saved” is flatly false. Islam provides a clear, rational path to salvation: belief in the Oneness of Allah, sincere repentance, righteous deeds, and steadfast faith. The Qur’an repeats this formula countless times: “Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds — they will have the Gardens of Paradise…” (Qur’an 18:107). There is no confusion here — Islam gives people the dignity of striving sincerely rather than hiding behind the claim that someone else’s sacrifice automatically absolves them of personal responsibility.

You mock Muslims for hoping in Allah’s mercy — yet the Qur’an clearly states: “Say, ‘O My servants who have transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins…’” (Qur’an 39:53). This is not blind hope — it is balanced by fear of wrongdoing and hope in divine mercy. It is far superior to the dangerous delusion that someone can do whatever they want, then wave the banner of “guaranteed salvation” without accountability.

Finally, your cheap shot at Islam only exposes the weakness of your own position. Islam does not sell false guarantees; it demands moral responsibility, sincere faith, and actions. We do not pass the burden of our sins onto an innocent man — we stand before our Creator, answerable for what we did. That is not a dilemma — that is justice, mercy, and dignity combined.

Next time you quote the Qur’an, try reading it properly — you might discover it exposes the very contradictions you’re trying to hide.

TenQ Ken4Christ

TheJustPath
I almost cannot post anything on Nairaland without being flagged. Let's see if this will go through






Let's see now!

AntiisIam:
Then which Bible is quran talking about?

Let me be asking you one after the other ti laakaye e koba ti d'ori godo

🤣 go ask your Paul and co that gave you your corrupted book nah :

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Where did they keep the original word of Isa ( PBUH)

doffman:
🤣 go ask your Paul and co that gave you your corrupted book nah :

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Where did they keep the original word of Isa ( PBUH)

Nice verse!
But it fits the Qur'an like a Glove!



Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

How?

Qur'an 3:78
"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, 'This is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know."

Distortion with the Mouth:
One Ahruf from Jibril multiplies to SEVEN and each one of these had 10 Qira'at

Distortion by changing the position of words
First revelation Surah 96
Second revelation Surah 68
Third Revelation Surah 76
Fourth revelation Surah 74

The whole Qur'an was displaced from the order in which Allah sent it. And Allah NEVER gave any instructions to that effect.

Qur'an 2:75
“Do you hope that they would believe you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort it [i.e., change the position of the words] after they had understood it while they were knowing?”

TenQ:
Nice verse!
But it fits the Qur'an like a Glove!

Qur'an 3:78
"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, 'This is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know."


Distortion with the Mouth:
One Ahruf from Jibril multiplies to SEVEN and each one of these had 10 Qira'at

Distortion by changing the position of words
First revelation Surah 96
Second revelation Surah 68
Third Revelation Surah 76
Fourth revelation Surah 74

The whole Qur'an was displaced from the order in which Allah sent it. And Allah NEVER gave any instructions to that effect.

Qur'an 2:75
“Do you hope that they would believe you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort it [i.e., change the position of the words] after they had understood it while they were knowing?”

Don't you see how this suits you?

Qur’an 3:78 talks about a group among the People of the Book (namely some Jews and Christians) who intentionally twist their scriptures by using their tongues in such a way that a lie sounds like a truth coming from God. The verse condemns such a deception, where they pretend, “This is from Allah,” but it fact they are not and they give a lie to Allah knowingly. The situation of nearby verses and the primary tafsir agree that this is the reference to certain religious leaders who changed the Torah or the Gospel in order to lead others astray. The verse reaffirms the Qur’an as the source of the authentic revelation and its request to turn away from fabricated distortions.

Can you prove the ahrufs weren't relayed by Jibril?

The wisdom in how different parts of the Quran were revealed before it's appropriate composition is beyond you or you deliberately try to make a case where there isn't based on what you think should be?

doffman:
🤣 go ask your Pa

Eleleya ni allah fi gbogbo yin nii isilamu pe ko to ni ki e lo question awon ti o nka Bible abi?

doffman:
🤣 go ask your Paul and co that gave you your corrupted book nah :

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Where did they keep the original word of Isa ( PBUH)

Is it Paul that has solution to all your prolems?

Who are the people reading the Bible allah said you should question since to you Christian's Bible is corrupt?

Ohyoudidnt:
Don't you see how this suits you?

Qur’an 3:78 talks about a group among the People of the Book (namely some Jews and Christians) who intentionally twist their scriptures by using their tongues in such a way that a lie sounds like a truth coming from God. The verse condemns such a deception, where they pretend, “This is from Allah,” but it fact they are not and they give a lie to Allah knowingly. The situation of nearby verses and the primary tafsir agree that this is the reference to certain religious leaders who changed the Torah or the Gospel in order to lead others astray. The verse reaffirms the Qur’an as the source of the authentic revelation and its request to turn away from fabricated distortions.

Let me gie you an example of your distortion of the Quran
In Al-Fatiha,
Is the correct statement
Master of the day of Judgement
OR
King of the day of Judgement


Which of the TWO aboe did Allah Reveal?
You have used your tongue to distort "Maliki Yawmi-d-Din" to "Malik Yawmi-d-Din"
Now, no muslim know the exact original dictated by Jibril

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you prove the ahrufs weren't relayed by Jibril?

You are the one required to prove this not me!
Just show me the names of the 7 Ahruf and the Quran of these seen Ahruf

You cant find them!?

Ohyoudidnt:
The wisdom in how different parts of the Quran were revealed before it's appropriate composition is beyond you or you deliberately try to make a case where there isn't based on what you think should be?

Allah has a book, Jiril revealed the book to Mohammed BUT you rearranged the whole verses like a book that became unbounded and wind scattered them all over.

Who authorised the rearrangement of the Quran?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?

TenQ:
Let me gie you an example of your distortion of the Quran
In Al-Fatiha,
Is the correct statement
Master of the day of Judgement
OR
King of the day of Judgement


Which of the TWO aboe did Allah Reveal?
You have used your tongue to distort "Maliki Yawmi-d-Din" to "Malik Yawmi-d-Din"
Now, no muslim know the exact original dictated by Jibril


You are the one required to prove this not me!
Just show me the names of the 7 Ahruf and the Quran of these seen Ahruf

You cant find them!?



Allah has a book, Jiril revealed the book to Mohammed BUT you rearranged the whole verses like a book that became unbounded and wind scattered them all over.

Who authorised the rearrangement of the Quran?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?

Allah authorised the arrangement not rearrangement of the Quran. This was done and passed on in instructions to the prophet who passed it on to his companions.

The reason why and the reason for the other hafs not being easily available is well known by you.

Zaid was asked to collect and compile not rearrange.

The Uthmanic standardization helped to unify the written form and limited recitation to just one harf to avoid any confusion. However, you can still find traces of the Ahruf in the authentic recitations (qiraat).

The ordering of the verses of the Quran was from Allah through Jibril to the prophet pbuh. The Quran was revised between Jibril and the prophet twice

Gabriel used to repeat the recitation of the Qur'an with the Prophet pbuh once a year, but he repeated it twice with him in the year he died. The Prophet pbuh used to stay in I`tikaf for ten days every year (in the month of Ramadan), but in the year of his death, he stayed in I`tikaf for twenty days. Bukhari 4998

The Prophet himself used to instruct the scribes of revelation: ‘Place this verse in the surah which mentions such and such.. (Al-Itqan, Vol 1, pg. 58)

The arrangement of verses and surahs in the Qur’an was done by the Prophet pbuh under divine instruction... It is not permissible to change this order by ijtihād. (Al-Burhan, Vol 1, pg. 259)

Both are revealed and correct showing accepted complementary meanings which do not contradict. These embrace some of the concept of the 7 modes

AntiisIam:
Eleleya ni allah fi gbogbo yin nii isilamu pe ko to ni ki e lo question awon ti o nka Bible abi?

🤣🤣 Why are you afraid to ask Paul nah ?

Bibeli tilule pi .

Oya take another one :
Quran 3:78
There are some among them who distort the Book with their tongues to make you think this ˹distortion˺ is from the Book—but it is not what the Book says. They say, “It is from Allah”—but it is not from Allah. And ˹so˺ they attribute lies to Allah knowingly.

IslamVIRGINS:
Is it Paul that has solution to all your prolems?

Who are the people reading the Bible allah said you should question since to you Christian's Bible is corrupt?

This one is begging for my attention 🤣

I will only engage you when you pass this test :

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Did you qualify ? 🤣

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah authorised the arrangement not rearrangement of the Quran. This was done and passed on in instructions to the prophet who passed it on to his companions.

The reason why and the reason for the other hafs not being easily available is well known by you.

Zaid was asked to collect and compile not rearrange.

The Uthmanic standardization helped to unify the written form and limited recitation to just one harf to avoid any confusion. However, you can still find traces of the Ahruf in the authentic recitations (qiraat).

The ordering of the verses of the Quran was from Allah through Jibril to the prophet pbuh. The Quran was revised between Jibril and the prophet twice

Gabriel used to repeat the recitation of the Qur'an with the Prophet pbuh once a year, but he repeated it twice with him in the year he died. The Prophet pbuh used to stay in I`tikaf for ten days every year (in the month of Ramadan), but in the year of his death, he stayed in I`tikaf for twenty days. Bukhari 4998

The Prophet himself used to instruct the scribes of revelation: ‘Place this verse in the surah which mentions such and such.. (Al-Itqan, Vol 1, pg. 58)

The arrangement of verses and surahs in the Qur’an was done by the Prophet pbuh under divine instruction... It is not permissible to change this order by ijtihād. (Al-Burhan, Vol 1, pg. 259)

Both are revealed and correct showing accepted complementary meanings which do not contradict. These embrace some of the concept of the 7 modes

1. So, give evidence where Allah authorized Mohammed to rearrange the Qur'an?


2. The Qur'an of Allah in Paradise is ONE isn't it!?

Therefore, what was written in it?
Is it
Master of the day of Judgement?
OR
King of the day of Judgement?

doffman:
🤣🤣 Why are you afraid .

Eleleya ni allah fi gbogbo yin nii isilamu pe ko to ni ki e lo question awon ti o nka Bible abi?

Afi ko dahun ibere yen

TenQ:
1. So, give evidence where Allah authorized Mohammed to rearrange the Qur'an?


2. The Qur'an of Allah in Paradise is ONE isn't it!?

Therefore, what was written in it?
Is it
Master of the day of Judgement?
OR
King of the day of Judgement?

Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh rearrange the Quran? No.

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) didn’t rearrange the Qur’an on his own. The order of its verses and chapters was actually guided by Allah through the angel Jibril.

Every year, Jibril would review the Qur'an with the Prophet, and in the year of his passing, they went over it together twice.
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 61, Hadith 129)

This review, known as muaradah, wasn’t just about reciting the text; it was about confirming the proper order of the Qur’an to ensure it would be preserved and handed down correctly.

He doesn’t speak from his own desires; it’s purely a Revelation that has been revealed. (An-Najm:3–4)

The Qur’an exists as one in the Lawh al-Mahfuz and was revealed with authorized variations in how it can be recited.

The Qirāʾāt aren’t different versions of the Qur’an; they’re simply different authentic ways to recite the same divine text.

Lawh al-Mahfuz contains perfect divine knowledge of all human speech, actions, and intentions

Ohyoudidnt:
Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh rearrange the Quran? No.

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) didn’t rearrange the Qur’an on his own. The order of its verses and chapters was actually guided by Allah through the angel Jibril.

Every year, Jibril would review the Qur'an with the Prophet, and in the year of his passing, they went over it together twice.
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 61, Hadith 129)

This review, known as muaradah, wasn’t just about reciting the text; it was about confirming the proper order of the Qur’an to ensure it would be preserved and handed down correctly.

He doesn’t speak from his own desires; it’s purely a Revelation that has been revealed. (An-Najm:3–4)

The Qur’an exists as one in the Lawh al-Mahfuz and was revealed with authorized variations in how it can be recited.

The Qirāʾāt aren’t different versions of the Qur’an; they’re simply different authentic ways to recite the same divine text.

Lawh al-Mahfuz contains perfect divine knowledge of all human speech, actions, and intentions

Why is it that Muslims will never answer direct questions but ramble about stories not related to the Questions


1. So, give evidence where Allah authorized Mohammed to rearrange the Qur'an?
Example: Distortion by changing the position of words
First revelation Surah 96
Second revelation Surah 68
Third Revelation Surah 76
Fourth revelation Surah 74

When did Allah ask Mohammad to rearrange the Qur'an from the order of revelation?

The whole Qur'an was displaced from the order in which Allah sent it. And Allah NEVER gave any instructions to that effect.



2. The Qur'an of Allah in Paradise is ONE isn't it!?

Therefore, what was written in it?
Is it
Master of the day of Judgement?
OR
King of the day of Judgement?

Surely, only one of the two is written in the Book of Allah!

MightySparrow:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxR-kuCHagi8xe2aOV4WqSLtfX5Sn4XxtI?si=KEGyXrxh61mM_NSE

I have heard the Islam believes that Jesus is مسيح, masīḥ. In this very short video, the poster asked very important questions that I will like Muslim in the house to answer.
The video is about a minute.

1. What is salvation in Islam?
2a. What are you saved from?
2b .What are saved into?
3. Can you Muslims know if you are saved?
4. Did Mohammed need salvation?
5. Was Mohammed saved?
6a.What was Mohammed saved from if received salvation?
6b.whatdid Mohammed saved into?
7. Did Mohammed have the assurance of salvation?

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Regarding salvation in Islam, I invite you to look through Qur’an 20:74–76. There you will see a powerful contrast between two groups of people. Those who approach Allah as wrongdoers and those who come as faithful, righteous servants.

1. The disbelievers are headed for Hell, a place where they find no peace in life and cannot escape the torment of punishment in death.

2. On the other hand, believers who engage in good deeds are promised the highest places in Paradise.

3. For those who cleanse themselves in both faith and character, the reward is the eternal Gardens of Eden.

In Islam, salvation is achieved through genuine belief, performing good actions, sincere repentance, and the process of inner purification.

TenQ:
Why is it that Muslims will never answer direct questions but ramble about stories not related to the Questions


1. So, give evidence where Allah authorized Mohammed to rearrange the Qur'an?
Example: Distortion by changing the position of words
First revelation Surah 96
Second revelation Surah 68
Third Revelation Surah 76
Fourth revelation Surah 74

When did Allah ask Mohammad to rearrange the Qur'an from the order of revelation?

The whole Qur'an was displaced from the order in which Allah sent it. And Allah NEVER gave any instructions to that effect.



2. The Qur'an of Allah in Paradise is ONE isn't it!?

Therefore, what was written in it?
Is it
Master of the day of Judgement?
OR
King of the day of Judgement?

Surely, only one of the two is written in the Book of Allah!

The first revelation is Surah 96? Please tell if you are honest if all the verses of this Surah were revealed at once then explain how it was completed.

Ohyoudidnt:
The first revelation is Surah 96? Please tell if you are honest if all the verses of this Surah were revealed at once then explain how it was completed.

Google is your friend as the first revelation of the Qur'an is definitely Surah 96.

So, Jibril wanted to dictate the Qur'an from the Book of Allah to Mohammed, so he started from Surah 96 instead of Surah Al-Fathiha!?

Just seeing how it makes sense to Muslims!

TenQ:
Google is your friend as the first revelation of the Qur'an is definitely Surah 96.

So, Jibril wanted to dictate the Qur'an from the Book of Allah to Mohammed, so he started from Surah 96 instead of Surah Al-Fathiha!?

Just seeing how it makes sense to Muslims!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did you read what you posted?
It mentions the first five verses as those initially revealed. How many verses are in that Surah? When were the other verses revealed and how come they were added to this Surah.

Accept the expansion of your marvel and defeat of your poorly thought out jest called criticism please.

doffman:
This one is begging for my attention 🤣

I will only engage you when you pass this test :

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Did you qualify ? 🤣

How does this answer my question

IslamVIRGINS:
Is it Paul that has solution to all your prolems?

Who are the people reading the Bible allah said you should question since to you Christian's Bible is corrupt?