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FUN FACT

During the time of Pele the ball was about 500 grammes heavier and made of leather . When it rained the football in those days would soak water and become even heavier.

You guys keep posting very old news. It's close to a week since he made this statement and it's been all over social media for close to a week yet it's now you're posting it.
Please avoid posting stale news

Pendu fans w.a.nking all over the thread lol 😂 Messi is not your mate ooo. Pele I know, Messi I know where Ronaldo world cup, 8bdor and 6EGBs? Una no go cry keh

It's not even arguable

Pele is the GOAT

princeade86:
not even near Jay Jay in terms of dribbles and skills.

When Jayjay holds the ball, he humiliates a defender, when Messi holds the ball, he annihilates the entire defence.

Don't even compare them, Messi is far better

SmartyPants:
See talk. Do you know George Best? Do you know Euseubio?? What of Beckenbaeur? What of Johan Cryuff?? You should be caned for this thing you just said.

George best was the only one in time of Pele.
Cryuff came at the end of peles reign

Having patiently gone through the different opinions of football experts here.

I draw my personal conclusion that based on logic and common sense that:

PELE is the Greatest as said my Trump.

Common' think about it, Messi and CR7 and other modern players are more protected now unlike before.

Also, opinion of football guru like Alex Ferguson is a key to this submission. He has seen it all.

Please take your time and watch with OPEN mind , that guy called Ronaldinho. He was born with a football in his hands. I don't just know what happened to him.

Besides, I thought Mr Trump would start mentioning names like ,Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Gary Lineker, David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, Alan Shearer, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, and Co, as we are made by bigoted haters to believe that he hates the black. Put some in his place, they would pick these whites above Pele the greatest, the way they will pick Yahaya Bello over Peter Obi.

richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi

Maradona is better than Messi but his issue with drugs and lack of longevity takes Messi ahead. Talent wise it’s Maradona maybe

cr7lomo:
Messi that failed at psg ... Messi na just propaganda

Pele that did not even play in Europe

amechispeaks:
Pele won 3 FIFA World Cups and was top scorer in all three. He also scored more than a thousand goals throughout his career. Although FIFA disputes this since many of his goals were off camera/off the record during his playing time in Brazil. Either way, he's the greatest player that ever lived. In my humble opinion.

He did not win top scorer in the 3 world cups, infact he only played fully in one final, it was one of his amazing teammates that won some of the mvp, top scorer etc

richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi

It is about information and perspective.
Just say that it was not in your time, that's all.

But when folks say there were no dribblers, no this, no that, I just laugh.

Spare a thought for the rules which give players of this time so much liberty and equally say that these days there are no more defenders.

Because when watching the world cups of the 50's, 60's and 70's I don't think our present heros would survive the sheer brutality of the game, one of the reasons why careers are much longer now and players typically survive 50, 60 game seasons.

It takes special skills and attention to detail to objectively compare eras.

Wainey:
George best was the only one in time of Pele.
Cryuff came at the end of peles reign

All of those players I mentioned played at some point or the other at the same time as Pele.

Ok so first of all I would like to sincerely thank everyone who contributed to making this thread a success, We also thank Donald Trump
For putting this forum in a state of debate and The amount of football lovers is Astonishing, now with that being Said We can conclude based on 85 % to 90% contribution that no player comes close to Pele or Maradona and this are based on factors such as a game with less rules was played back then, high chances of injury, no red or yellow cards for tackles, pure love for the game and not money motivated, so the debate now becomes Pele Vs Maradona or should we kuku add Okocha to the mix, but we’ve removed Messi and Ronaldo simply because the opinions from here says they couldn’t have survived that style of play but that’s my 2 cents sha ooh, Lastly, thank You to everyone who contribute

richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi

Everyone is entitled to his choice o

In my own choice, I will stop watching ball when Messi stops playing ball

[quote author=cr7lomo post=136127296]Maradona and Ronaldinho were better dribblers than Messi.

Just J.J OKOCHA will send MESSI catching the air in dribbles.😜🤪

judewrites:
Definitely, Pele isn't the greatest anymore, but he's preferred by many because he was the first outstanding footballer on the world scene.

No he wasn't. There were great footballers before him even in his native Brazil.

aribisala0:
FUN FACT

During the time of Pele the ball was about 500 grammes heavier and made of leather . When it rained the football in those days would soak water and become even heavier.

Yeah, I remember those old school balls made of real leather. They only lighten up with age but air pressure made them dangerous to kick then.

Boots, shin pads, everything was much more bulky and heavier then so it grew enormous calves and thigh muscles in pros.

Reference:
No he wasn't. There were great footballers before him even in his native Brazil.

Pele had the greatest publicity in his days....even till now.

But if you ask me, Ronaldo and Messi are greater than him.

cr7lomo:
Psg were winning league titles as expected...they got him believing with him they will the ever elusive UCL ...especially cos they got to back to back final and semi....they signed him, only for the team to decline..they were knocked out of the UCL in R16 back to back.... he left and they returned to semis and then won it ... he failed there

getting to d semi final isn't an achievement oga, it is equivalent to getting knocked out at the R16...if Messi was a failure at psg the mbappe was also a failure... Agreed?

We already know Messi fans just dey shout up and down ni aswear

judewrites:
Pele had the greatest publicity in his days....even till now.

But if you ask me, Ronaldo and Messi are greater than him.

Not entirely true. In terms of publicity Europe had all the cards and they promoted their players to the world media. Pele only significantly came to light because of the world cups and his publicity came mainly after the 62 world cup.

When you take a trophy from Europe twice in a row they sit up. And that was why by the next world cup special plans were made for Pele at England 66 to ensure he did not get anywhere near the finals.

Today you can get a lot of views of his world cup exploits but not many on his club works with Santos.

That man could have easily won 5 world cups if not for fate and injuries.

richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi

He did it in an era of hard tackles and heavier balls.

To get a penalty or freeckick those days was not easy and the balls were nowhere as light as today's. It was heavy real leather and harder to shoot over long distances

MrGerald:
He did not win top scorer in the 3 world cups, infact he only played fully in one final, it was one of his amazing teammates that won some of the mvp, top scorer etc

True that.
Pele was not about the volume of play, the number of goals. His style of play could not guarantee the huge statistics of this day. His play was about effect, impact, decisiveness. What we call today a big game player.

Remember that at that time football was a amateur sport in parts of the world and players were about the love of the game unlike today where they play a lot of games because commerce and financial rewards dictate that.

So it is unreasonable and difficult to compare eras in soccer or any venture of life. And just as opinion is split as to whether the world is getting better or worse, the debate will continue as to whether these legends are.

Reference:
True that.
Pele was not about the volume of play, the number of goals. His style of play could not guarantee the huge statistics of this day. His play was about effect, impact, decisiveness. What we call today a big game player.

Remember that at that time football was a amateur sport in parts of the world and players were about the love of the game unlike today where they play a lot of games because commerce and financial rewards dictate that.

So it is unreasonable and difficult to compare eras in soccer or any venture of life. And just as opinion is split as to whether the world is getting better or worse, the debate will continue as to whether these legends are.

Your submission also brought new angle to this discussion.

Maybe we should categories them then and compare.

Thanks bro.

Wainey:
Okocha makes one or two skills against an opponent.
Most times Okocha makes skills in a standing position and dribbles one or two players at best.
Messi can dribble past four defenders and score. How many times have u seen Okocha dribble from midfield and enter the opponent yard box?
Neymar, Ronaldo, Ronaldhino can perform Okochas skills but none can perform messis skils

I have seen Okocha dribble past three to four players many times, someone that have dribble half of the team before, Ronaldiho talk about is dribble and skills and never deny he copied, modify and watch him play and learn one or two from is videos

cr7lomo:
If Messi isn't obsessed with goals , why does he always rush to play penalties.... Messi is very much obsessed with goals as well...just that Ronaldo power pass am for that one ....u call Ronaldo selfish, but he has more assists than Messi In the UCL, despite not playing corners and long crossing freekicks like Messi

Teams have their first penalty takers, Messi have given up penalties for other players sometimes compare to Cronaldo, who always drag freekicks and penalties with teammates. He dislikes Fernandez and some of his teammates if they shoot and don't pass him the ball in some opportunities to goal or one on one situation. My man always nag, and I have seen it in is reaction most times, sometimes Cronaldo won't celebrate goals scored by...

Bukola94:
Teams have their first penalty takers, Messi have given up penalties for other players sometimes compare to Cronaldo, who always drag freekicks and penalties with teammates. He dislikes Fernandez and some of his teammates if they shoot and don't pass him the ball in some opportunities to goal or one on one situation. My man always nag, and I have seen it in is reaction most times, sometimes Cronaldo won't celebrate goals scored by...

Stop saying nonsense.....Ronaldo has given penalties to other players as well , even denied himself hattricks ... he has also left some freekicks for others to play.... u talk like. Messi give put half of penalties to other players ...when it comes to Messi, u remember teams have first pk takers ...but if its Ronaldo , that reason is thrown out of the window an ur reason becomes that's he's selfish ..that's why they say Messi fans are bitter cos Ronaldo is more recognised in world football than Messi....

OLD SCHOOL THINKING 🤔

cr7lomo:
In a league game, against a mid club team...other players have also done it thing like that ...only Maradona did it in a world cup game against favorites England in the quater finals ...that's the difference

mid team, Messi scored solo goals vs Madrid getting past lassana diara, Sergio ramos, khedira, marcelo, Raul Albiol... How many players have done it before.... Shey dis guy dey wine me ni

richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi

Pele did not have many strong rivals ..... and the Ronaldo strong rivals are de bruyne Xavi and "tough " defe ders like pique ! Xavi and debruyne and taking it further modric , Totti., del piero , Kroos , Beckham cannot lace the boot of Beckenbauer, puskas., muller, Di Stefano, Bobby Charlton, Cryuff, Eusebio , to name a few and defenders of Messi and Ronaldo ere will be cry babies compared with part time butchers parading as defenders in Pele's era
where there are very very much less stricter laws to curb disguised assaults they call defending in those days yet there are highly refined defenders in those days that displayed the art of defending 30 years ahead of their time like flying wing backs Didi and Vava of Brazil , Giacinto fachetti of Italy , Paul breitner and Beckenbauer, the then world recorgninised Libero , that first defined the role . Recency bias is what is causing anyone to compare Xavi or de bruyne to football pure artist like Zico, Socrates , Platini .

And please never throw any name in the same GOAT argument with Pele, Messi , Maradona if that name is not De Lima Ronaldo .