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Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by cr7lomo: 11:39am On Jul 17, 2025
Judolisco:
getting to d semi final isn't an achievement oga, it is equivalent to getting knocked out at the R16...if Messi was a failure at psg the mbappe was also a failure... Agreed?
grin grin grin..... so why are the prize winnings different?? How is R16 and semis de same .... Messi fans always post stupid things trying to defend him.... mbappe was a success at psg. If he wasn't, Madrid no go buy am... he won multiple league titles and other cups, don't forget he came from Monaco where he also won ligue 1 and took them to UCL semis .... mbappe is psgs all time. Goal scorer.... took them to 2 semis and a final
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by cr7lomo: 11:40am On Jul 17, 2025
Judolisco:
mid team, Messi scored solo goals vs Madrid getting past lassana diara, Sergio ramos, khedira, marcelo, Raul Albiol... How many players have done it before.... Shey dis guy dey wine me ni grin
So what's the difference between that and the goal henry scored against Real Madrid for arsenal in 2006 UCL quater final ??
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Judolisco(m): 11:42am On Jul 17, 2025
cr7lomo:
So what's the difference between that and the goal henry scored against Real Madrid for arsenal in 2006 UCL quater final ??
did Henry score another goal like that again... Messi has over 6 solo goals, more than that sef.... Shey u dey win
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Judolisco(m): 11:45am On Jul 17, 2025
cr7lomo:
grin grin grin..... so why are the prize winnings different?? How is R16 and semis de same .... Messi fans always post stupid things trying to defend him.... mbappe was a success at psg. If he wasn't, Madrid no go buy am... he won multiple league titles and other cups, don't forget he came from Monaco where he also won ligue 1 and took them to UCL semis .... mbappe is psgs all time. Goal scorer.... took them to 2 semis and a final
do u think they care about d price even if they win the trophy... Uno sabi anything about football my bro.... D money psg has spent on players alone is more than d prize money for winning the champions league.... Dey wine yourself for there... What did mbappe win for psg that they were not winning before... Answer make I apologise
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by BENEAMATA: 11:55am On Jul 17, 2025
cr7lomo:
So what's the difference between that and the goal henry scored against Real Madrid for arsenal in 2006 UCL quater final ??
Henry ran past three Madrid White shirts I think to slot the ball past the keeper . Even his good Friday solo goal from a shorter distance against Liverpool in 2004 is better . But never compare them to many of Messi's mazy dribbling from less than 28 yards that ended up as a goal , how much more AnkareMessi .
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Rotji(m): 12:02pm On Jul 17, 2025
richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi
Who told you there were no other great players during Pele's time?!

Pele became a global phenomenon when there was very limited media space, no social media and the likes, yet his name still rings the bell.

Only millennials and GenZs will be talking this kind talk.

This your talk is tantamount to insinuating that only Maradona was the stand out player during his time, but we all know there were equally greatly talented players like Mitchel Platini, johan cruyff, Zico and a host of others.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Rotji(m): 12:10pm On Jul 17, 2025
gaussian:
This is not even a debate, Pele is the greatest of all time. Everyone shouting Ronaldo and messi probably think football started 15years ago. When I watched clips of Pele, I was amazed at his brilliance in a time when there were butchers in form of defenders. Don't just watch Pele in world cup even his club games, he was head and shoulders above every other person including Diego Maradona. Many great talents existed like Socrates, Tostao, Garrincha, Romario, Bebeto, Baggio Cryuff et al but Pele is indeed the greatest to have stepped into a football pitch
Thank you for sharing some of my views, Pele played in the era when strikers had little to no protection at all from defenders and yet scored goals like craze and shone like a million stars.

Anyone not acknowledging Pele as the greatest must be Millennial or GenZ
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by BENEAMATA: 12:17pm On Jul 17, 2025
cr7lomo:
Psg were winning league titles as expected...they got him believing with him they will the ever elusive UCL ...especially cos they got to back to back final and semi....they signed him, only for the team to decline..they were knocked out of the UCL in R16 back to back.... he left and they returned to semis and then won it ... he failed there
He failed to win the UCL because the French golden boy saw a rival in a serial big game winner brought in to help him win the elusive UCL , so the then 34 year old Messi was doing just his bit just to not be in the way of the much revered PSG anointed instead of playing out of his skin to please a jealous rival.. Compare Messi in the Qatar world cup to the one who was just doing enough so as not to disrupt the status quo in PSG . me , I'm overly glad PSG , with no player as rated as Mbappe finally won the elusive UCL just immediately after he left for the then highly talented group of players he joined as the then reigning European club champions only to get knocked out by Arsenal in the quarterfinals . Pride goes. . . .
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Wainey: 12:40pm On Jul 17, 2025
Bukola94:
I have seen Okocha dribble past three to four players many times, someone that have dribble half of the team before, Ronaldiho talk about is dribble and skills and never deny he copied, modify and watch him play and learn one or two from is videos
how many times? At most you will see it once or twice.
Messi does it almost every week.
Okocha humiliates defenders, Messi humiliates the entire defence.

You can't compare them, Messi is far better and it's not even close.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by greypencils: 1:03pm On Jul 17, 2025
Football is a marathon not a sprint. Messi and Ronaldo are the definition of longevity. At 35, Ronaldinho had become a shadow of himself playing for clubs like Fluminense and Queretaro. Messi at 35 won the most important silverware in his career which boosted his credentials as GOAT. Ronaldo at 40 won the Euro Nation's league and is currently fitting himself to play and probably win next year's world cup, a fit not impossible considering the talented Portuguese squad he captains. I never watched Pele play. But if Pele is the GOAT as analysed by many, it also speaks of his talent, longevity and hardwork which personifies both Messi and Ronaldo.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by redcliff: 1:09pm On Jul 17, 2025
Wainey:
If Messi had played in peles era, he will score crazy goals, defenders weren't organized as they are now.
Though his time will be shortened cos of physicality but he will adapt well.
Pele was complete but he lacks that clinical maneuvering that Messi has
Strikers were also not organized as they are now... so lets not compare whatifs. Lets look at the stats. 3 world cups is a feat no one will break in a very long time!
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Wainey: 1:34pm On Jul 17, 2025
Rotji:
Who told you there were no other great players during Pele's time?!

Pele became a global phenomenon when there was very limited media space, no social media and the likes, yet his name still rings the bell.

Only millennials and GenZs will be talking this kind talk.

This your talk is tantamount to insinuating that only Maradona was the stand out player during his time, but we all know there were equally greatly talented players like Mitchel Platini, johan cruyff, Zico and a host of others.
wetin concern genZ for this talk? How old were u when Pele played?
Most likely u were not even born.

The way you people use the genZ ehn.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Bukola94(m): 2:33pm On Jul 17, 2025
Wainey:
how many times? At most you will see it once or twice.
Messi does it almost every week.
Okocha humiliates defenders, Messi humiliates the entire defence.

You can't compare them, Messi is far better and it's not even close.
Am not saying Messi is not better, but you guys fail to see or hype our own Jay Jay Okocha. If to say Okocha was Ghanaian or South African, none of their citizens will come out in open and said Messi is far better. They appreciate their own more than Nigerians
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Wainey: 2:38pm On Jul 17, 2025
Bukola94:
Am not saying Messi is not better, but you guys fail to see or hype our own Jay Jay Okocha. If to say Okocha was Ghanaian or South African, none of their citizens will come out in open and said Messi is far better. They appreciate their own more than Nigerians
I don't lie, I say the truth, it doesn't mean I am downgrading Jayjay.
I only said Messi is better
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by optimusprime2(m): 2:44pm On Jul 17, 2025
richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi
It's easier to compare footballers who played in the same generation I.e Messi and CR7, however the comparison methodology becomes very complicated & skewed if one tries to compare footballers from different generations i.e Pele and Messi or Pele and CR7..

You see football has changed radically from 40 yrs ago due to technology; Goal line tech, VAR, Ball dynamics, offside accuracy etc , rules; Substitute number, extra time adjustment, goal keeper play rule adjustments, foul ammendments, competition rules etc...

So I think for me this "one goat debate" across generations is a very arguable topic.

There should be "goats of generations/eras" and Pele happens to be one of them.

How can you compare a player that played in an era when the ball itself weighed double it's weight when it rained, with players who scored screamers and collected Puskas awards just because they used the Jabulani ball... to me it's just unfair.

I once watched a clip of Pele dribbling some defenders and the way those guys were diving into the tackles, it made Pepe & Sergio Ramos look like scripture union pastors... but nowadays players are protected, as some tackles are instant red card offences.... back then to be a striker was akin to "walking the plank".

I doubt Messi's career would have taken him past 32 years if he had played in the 70's, 80's or 90's ... some defender would have ended his career ... ask the real R9 how market.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Fearurcreeator: 3:27pm On Jul 17, 2025
richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi
How old are you ? Check football stars from 1990 to 2005 ... Best era so far
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Nobody: 3:35pm On Jul 17, 2025
Fearurcreeator:
How old are you ? Check football stars from 1990 to 2005 ... Best era so far
grin
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by unkulu10: 3:37pm On Jul 17, 2025
WINNING THREE (3) FIFA WORLD CUP IS NOT A JOKE
ANYBODY THAT WILL NOT CONCUR WITH TRUMP OPINION
SHOULD TELL US THE PLAYER THAT IS BETTER THAN
THE GREAT PELE OF BRAZIL
AND THE PLAYER MUST HAVE WON FIFA WORLD CUP 3 TIMES OR MORE
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by 123yes(m): 3:45pm On Jul 17, 2025
Pele was the greatest footballer that ever live on this planet earth. If you know you know.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by sweetjohn(m): 4:11pm On Jul 17, 2025
I believe Pele was a great footballer probably the greatest of all time. Messi and CR7 are the greatest in this generation only.

But to me, the person that made me start watching football is Ronaldo de Lima aka the original Ronaldo of Brasil. I am yet to see a player that love dribbling goalkeepers and score not once, not 10times but many times. Such a player is undoubtedly skillful. It takes guts and skills to dribble a goalkeeper and score instead of just shooting it as Messi and CR7 does. Talk of goal sense, he have, talk of skills and dribbles he have it. He marks and run after balls and not waiting until midfielders suffer finish and pass for him to just tap and score. That’s not skillful. But delima hustle for his own goal, dribbles and score. That’s very skillful. The only limitation I find in him is airball. Apart from that he is 100% complete (speed, dribbles, skills, goal sense, when all hope is gone he just deliver).

Another player that come close is Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho would have won more world best but a lot of people hated and jealous him including fifa that’s why.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by cr7lomo: 6:04pm On Jul 17, 2025
BENEAMATA:
Henry ran past three Madrid White shirts I think to slot the ball past the keeper . Even his good Friday solo goal from a shorter distance against Liverpool in 2004 is better . But never compare them to many of Messi's mazy dribbling from less than 28 yards that ended up as a goal , how much more AnkareMessi .
U wanna lie to urself again...something that's available on YouTube... Henry's goal was even further than messis ...Messi still needed a feint touch from busquet... Henry was pure solo from the middle of the pitch ... Henry's was better than. Messis ... sons goal for spurs was even from his own half .... alot of players have scored messis type of goal...but only Maradona did it at the world cup...then a player from Saudi is the closest to that sort of goal in 94 WC... I watched that one live ....maybe dem never even born u that time
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by cr7lomo: 6:11pm On Jul 17, 2025
Bukola94:
I have seen Okocha dribble past three to four players many times, someone that have dribble half of the team before, Ronaldiho talk about is dribble and skills and never deny he copied, modify and watch him play and learn one or two from is videos
Okocha never dribbled half of any team....na the lies wey them throw in the 90s when he was at frankfurt ..but youtube done cast am
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by BENEAMATA: 6:33pm On Jul 17, 2025
cr7lomo:
U wanna lie to urself again...something that's available on YouTube... Henry's goal was even further than messis ...Messi still needed a feint touch from busquet... Henry was pure solo from the middle of the pitch ... Henry's was better than. Messis ... sons goal for spurs was even from his own half .... alot of players have scored messis type of goal...but only Maradona did it at the world cup...then a player from Saudi is the closest to that sort of goal in 94 WC... I watched that one live ....maybe dem never even born u that time
you are comparing distance run to goal with actual taking on as much players as possible before scoring . And you have to mention Saudi Arabia's Saeed Al Owairan's goal who took on and beat four opponents to the same half field Solo goal of Henry who actually took on and beat two players before slotting past the keeper. And then you want to compare that with Messi's many solo run from even shorter distance with less space to negotiate past four, five players before finding the back of the net, which he eventually still does despite higher difficulty . You want to compare Messi's solo dribbling goals against Brazil , valladolid, Arsenal, Real Madrid and Getafe to Henry's solo goal against Liverpool in 2004 that is even better than his Madrid run . Guy connect your seeing organ to your discerning ability . So is George weah's famous solo run goal from Milan box 18 after a set piece now better than Henry 's against Madrid ? You all kid yourselves if you think their is anyone that' s ever kicked a ball greater than Edson Arantess do Nacimento and / or Lionel Andre's Messi . Take it from some one who's been an ardent football enthusiast from Espana '82 .
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Warrior99: 6:45pm On Jul 17, 2025
cr7lomo:
Maradona and Ronaldinho were better dribblers than Messi
Add RONALDO R9 to the list.
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by femi4: 9:28pm On Jul 17, 2025
richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi
On the contrary, football rules are easy now

Every fall in the box now is almost a penalty

In pk, one of keeper's leg must touch the line

Subs increased from 3 to 5

Water breaks introduced

Tackle above the ankle is straight red

Keepers can't catch back pass
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by cr7lomo: 1:55pm On Jul 18, 2025
Judolisco:
did Henry score another goal like that again... Messi has over 6 solo goals, more than that sef.... Shey u dey win
Henry scored solo goals against spurs and Liverpool....the one for spurs was even from his own half .. e sure die say u be small pikin wey start to de watch active ball during messis prime .... us wey don de watch ball since 1989 and active ball since 1993 .... na Google de help una ...without Google u will be a novice
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by Judolisco(m): 2:24pm On Jul 18, 2025
cr7lomo:
Henry scored solo goals against spurs and Liverpool....the one for spurs was even from his own half .. e sure die say u be small pikin wey start to de watch active ball during messis prime .... us wey don de watch ball since 1989 and active ball since 1993 .... na Google de help una ...without Google u will be a novice
sorry oh, ancient of days, I can mention more than 6 Messi solo goals against top sides
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by cr7lomo: 6:51pm On Jul 18, 2025
Judolisco:
sorry oh, ancient of days, I can mention more than 6 Messi solo goals against top sides
Now I have shifted to number of solo goals ...at first, u made it seem like only Messi have ever done that...I got u there , now u have shifted to numbers of solo runs grin grin grin
Re: Not Messi Or Ronaldo: Trump Names His Greatest Footballer Of All Time by aribisala0(m): 9:19pm On Jul 18, 2025
richmond500:
I watched videos of Pele, Pele was great but I'll still choose Messi and ronaldo.
Pele didn't have many strong rival like M10 or Cr7 in his days, also football rules weren't this hard and skills weren't this refined during Pele time.

The duo dominated when Benzema, scholes, De bryne, Xavi, Pique, Ramos etc were on the pitch with crazy passes and crazy tackles.
When it comes to dribble, there is no one that existed on this planet that does it better than Ankara messi
You cannot compare based on videos .

How many hours of video in Total of Pele exist? Meanwhile you may have seen more than 12 games of Messi from start to finish
What was the video or camera technology compared to today when cameras can spot an ant on a ball. How many angles?

Even the ball and rules were different
Pele played 3 world cups before Yellow or red cards were introduced . This alone means they were not playing the same game. NO CARDS!
Messi may look like a good dribbler but that can be attributed to FEAR of CARDS ESPECIALLY when on a Yellow. HOw can we compare him to strikers from an era when cards did not exist.

Regarding no Rival for Pele. You do not know football
Garrincha
George Best
Eusebio
Denis Law
Alex Ferguson coached C Ronaldo for years and is age group with Pele

He rated Pele best ever

Even in Portugal Eusebio is probably better
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