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Sahib Muslim 146
“Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.”

Meaning when Islam started, it was considered strange to people. It will grow and then become small again. As you can see, many are leaving and it’s considered strange just as it started because people don’t want to deal with a religion that has “too many” rules or is restricting them from fitting in or is “so 7th century and we should get over it and adapt to what society has become”.

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Rashduct4luv:
This is an Islamic thread that promotes only Islam as against other faith! There are only two people here in this section viz a Muslim or a Kaafir! And this is applicable everywhere! You are either a believer or a disbeliever(Kaafir)!

I pity people who still have time for such nuisance as a religion.....

ChristCee:
Mr. Seun and mods of Nairaland, so much for religion tolerance. Just take a look at this number three

3 – Whoever does not regard the Mushrikeen (Christians, Jews and other Non-Muslims) as kaafirs, or doubts that they are kaafirs, or regards their way as correct, is a kaafir.

and his number 2

2 – Whoever sets up intermediaries between himself and Allaah, asks them to intercede, and puts his trust in them, is a kaafir (disbeliever) according to scholarly consensus.

Why is such a post not deleted yet? Would you be okay when Christians start doing the same?

A post is openly disrespecting the freedom of religion, the ideals of peaceful co-existence, national peace, unity and even our heritage (traditional religion and culture) and you condone it? So much for improvements to Nairaland. Please hire better mods.

The way these guys spread hate heeeen? Jesus! There is no how the world can ever be at peace with Islam in it.. Not possible

ChristCee:
How would you feel if I begin to say in my faith, a muslim is a disbeliever? and probably would end up in hell? certainly it won't hurt you much knowing how peaceful non muslims are. But for a faith that prioritizes violence against their so called non-believers, such disdain post is always a step away from mass violence and maiming. We know your people, and you know them too. You can't try this in India or China or Israel. Not even in Saudi Arabia.

Is this how to promote Islam? By spreading hate?

Yet you people that cannot invent anything beyond hate depend on them for every thing that makes your life comfortable, including the phone you used to type that rubbish and the internet through which it was relayed.

Never seen anything as shameless as you guys.

i want to ask one question...why is op posting lies?

Does Islam lies

Wetin be your problem with this faith.
What kind of training did you guys have when growing up.

ChristCee:
Mr. Seun and mods of Nairaland, so much for religion tolerance. Just take a look at this number three

3 – Whoever does not regard the Mushrikeen (Christians, Jews and other Non-Muslims) as kaafirs, or doubts that they are kaafirs, or regards their way as correct, is a kaafir.

and his number 2

2 – Whoever sets up intermediaries between himself and Allaah, asks them to intercede, and puts his trust in them, is a kaafir (disbeliever) according to scholarly consensus.

Why is such a post not deleted yet? Would you be okay when Christians start doing the same?

A post is openly disrespecting the freedom of religion, the ideals of peaceful co-existence, national peace, unity and even our heritage (traditional religion and culture) and you condone it? So much for improvements to Nairaland. Please hire better mods.

RELIGION OR RIGHTEOUSNESS

Until everyone knows the difference between Religion and Righteousness before we can get it right.

Jesus Christ is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE (John 14:6)

Why so much noise here?
Sunday is here soon. Tell the world what your religion stand on and expect your rewards. Kwo, bahaka ba ne?

ChristCee:
Mr. Seun and mods of Nairaland, so much for religion tolerance. Just take a look at this number three

3 – Whoever does not regard the Mushrikeen (Christians, Jews and other Non-Muslims) as kaafirs, or doubts that they are kaafirs, or regards their way as correct, is a kaafir.

and his number 2

2 – Whoever sets up intermediaries between himself and Allaah, asks them to intercede, and puts his trust in them, is a kaafir (disbeliever) according to scholarly consensus.

Why is such a post not deleted yet? Would you be okay when Christians start doing the same?

A post is openly disrespecting the freedom of religion, the ideals of peaceful co-existence, national peace, unity and even our heritage (traditional religion and culture) and you condone it? So much for improvements to Nairaland. Please hire better mods.

Honestly, this is terrible. So me. As a Babàlawo, I am in danger.

Seun and mods are been biased about us.
This is islamic section of NL why derogatory comment

Rashduct4luv:
As Muslims who follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (salallahu alayhi waslam) we need to carry out a system check on ourselves daily! Are we still Muslims?

Here are some of the the things that can throw a Muslim out of Islam!

1 – Shirk or associating others in worship with Allaah.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, Allaah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners (in worship) with Him, but He forgives whom He wills, sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allaah, has indeed strayed far away”
[al-Nisa’ 4:116]

“Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allaah, then Allaah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode”
[al-Maa’idah 5:72]

That includes praying to the dead, seeking their help, making vows and offering sacrifices to them or to the jinn or to the grave.

2 – Whoever sets up intermediaries between himself and Allaah, asks them to intercede, and puts his trust in them, is a kaafir (disbeliever) according to scholarly consensus.

The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allah.’ Say: ‘Do you inform Allah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?’ Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!”[Yoonus 10:18].

Whoever does that is akin to those who worship idols. It doesn't matter whether the intermediary is Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam), Jesus (Alayhi wasalam), Ali & his sons (Rodiyallahu anhumma), Ahmad Tijani, Ibrahim Niyas, etc.

3 – Whoever does not regard the Mushrikeen (Christians, Jews and other Non-Muslims) as kaafirs, or doubts that they are kaafirs, or regards their way as correct, is a kaafir.

4 – Whoever believes that anything other than the teaching of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is more complete than his teachings, or that the rulings of anyone else are better than his rulings – such as those who prefer the rule of false laws to his rulings – is a kaafir.

5 – Whoever hates any part of that which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) brought, even if he acts in accordance with it, is a kaafir, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“That is because they hate that which Allaah has sent down (this Qur’aan and Islamic laws); so He has made their deeds fruitless”[Muhammad 47:9]

6 – Whoever makes fun of anything in the religion of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or makes fun of any texts that refer to rewards or punishments, is a kaafir. The evidence for that is the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?
Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”[al-Tawbah 9:65-66]

7 – Sihr (witchcraft or Magic) – including spells to turn one person against another or to make someone love another. Whoever does this or approves of it is a kaafir. The evidence for that is the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, ‘We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)’” [al-Baqarah 2:102]

8 – Supporting the mushrikeen and helping them against the Muslims. [/b]The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”[al-Maa'idah 5:51]

9 – Whoever believes that some people are allowed to operate outside the law of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) just as al-Khidr operated outside the law of Moosa (peace be upon him) is a kaafir, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”[Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

10 – Turning away from the religion of Allaah, not learning it and not acting in accordance with it. The evidence for that is the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of his Lord, then turns aside therefrom? Verily, We shall exact retribution from the Mujrimoon (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners)”[al-Sajdah 32:22]

11. Inventing a lie against Allah (especially forbidding what He permits or permitting what He forbids).

And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: "This is lawful and this is forbidden," so as to invent lies against Allah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allah will never prosper.[an-Nahl 16:116]

Say: "Verily, those who invent lie against Allah will never be successful"
A brief enjoyment in this world! - and then unto Us will be their return, then We shall make them taste the severest torment because they used to disbelieve [in Allah, belie His Messengers, deny and challenge His Ayat (proofs, signs, verses, etc.)].[Yunus 10:69-70]

It does not matter whether a person is joking, serious or afraid, unless he is forced to do any of these.

We ask Allaah to help us all to do that which pleases Him, and to guide us and all the Muslims to His Straight Path, for He is All Hearing, Ever-Responsive. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions.

Originally posted @ https://www.nairaland.com/4752792/summary-things-throw-muslim-out

With all these rules, over 70 % of those calling themselves Muslims are not muslims, even the pro ph et of Islam.

Rashduct4luv:
As Muslims who follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (salallahu alayhi waslam) we need to carry out a system check on ourselves daily! Are we still Muslims?

Here are some of the the things that can throw a Muslim out of Islam!

1 – Shirk or associating others in worship with Allaah.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, Allaah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners (in worship) with Him, but He forgives whom He wills, sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allaah, has indeed strayed far away”
[al-Nisa’ 4:116]

“Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allaah, then Allaah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode”
[al-Maa’idah 5:72]

That includes praying to the dead, seeking their help, making vows and offering sacrifices to them or to the jinn or to the grave.

2 – Whoever sets up intermediaries between himself and Allaah, asks them to intercede, and puts his trust in them, is a kaafir (disbeliever) according to scholarly consensus.

The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allah.’ Say: ‘Do you inform Allah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?’ Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!”[Yoonus 10:18].

Whoever does that is akin to those who worship idols. It doesn't matter whether the intermediary is Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam), Jesus (Alayhi wasalam), Ali & his sons (Rodiyallahu anhumma), Ahmad Tijani, Ibrahim Niyas, etc.

3 – Whoever does not regard the Mushrikeen (Christians, Jews and other Non-Muslims) as kaafirs, or doubts that they are kaafirs, or regards their way as correct, is a kaafir.

4 – Whoever believes that anything other than the teaching of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is more complete than his teachings, or that the rulings of anyone else are better than his rulings – such as those who prefer the rule of false laws to his rulings – is a kaafir.

5 – Whoever hates any part of that which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) brought, even if he acts in accordance with it, is a kaafir, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“That is because they hate that which Allaah has sent down (this Qur’aan and Islamic laws); so He has made their deeds fruitless”[Muhammad 47:9]

6 – Whoever makes fun of anything in the religion of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or makes fun of any texts that refer to rewards or punishments, is a kaafir. The evidence for that is the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?
Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”[al-Tawbah 9:65-66]

7 – Sihr (witchcraft or Magic) – including spells to turn one person against another or to make someone love another. Whoever does this or approves of it is a kaafir. The evidence for that is the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, ‘We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)’” [al-Baqarah 2:102]

8 – Supporting the mushrikeen and helping them against the Muslims. [/b]The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”[al-Maa'idah 5:51]

9 – Whoever believes that some people are allowed to operate outside the law of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) just as al-Khidr operated outside the law of Moosa (peace be upon him) is a kaafir, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”[Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

10 – Turning away from the religion of Allaah, not learning it and not acting in accordance with it. The evidence for that is the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of his Lord, then turns aside therefrom? Verily, We shall exact retribution from the Mujrimoon (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners)”[al-Sajdah 32:22]

11. Inventing a lie against Allah (especially forbidding what He permits or permitting what He forbids).

And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: "This is lawful and this is forbidden," so as to invent lies against Allah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allah will never prosper.[an-Nahl 16:116]

Say: "Verily, those who invent lie against Allah will never be successful"
A brief enjoyment in this world! - and then unto Us will be their return, then We shall make them taste the severest torment because they used to disbelieve [in Allah, belie His Messengers, deny and challenge His Ayat (proofs, signs, verses, etc.)].[Yunus 10:69-70]

It does not matter whether a person is joking, serious or afraid, unless he is forced to do any of these.

We ask Allaah to help us all to do that which pleases Him, and to guide us and all the Muslims to His Straight Path, for He is All Hearing, Ever-Responsive. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions.

Originally posted @ https://www.nairaland.com/4752792/summary-things-throw-muslim-out

You can also see from this post how Islam is problematic, but the world is condoning it in the name of diplomacy.

Going by what the OP has posted, not less than 70% of all Muslims in Nigeria, particularly in the South, are "kafirs - unbelievers" Or "munafiqun - false believers". Those whom we see as tolerant Muslims, who are the examples of Islam as a peaceful religion, all fall under this category of kafirs or munafiqun. And that is not all. It also includes the following category of Muslims:

1. Those who see anything wrong or undesirable in giving out their little girls at first menstruation (i.e. 9 years or less) to be married.
2. Those who hate pedophilia or who try to make excuse that Aisha was older in order to cast the Prophet in "better light".
3. Those who say they serve the same God as Christians but it is only the approach or method that is different.
4. Those who give their daughters to Christians in marriage or allow their sons to marry Christians without converting them.
5. All Shia Muslims or Shittes and followers of sect leaders like Ahmad El Tijani (Tijaniyya), Ahmadou Bamba (Muridiyya), Ahmad al-Rifaʽi (Rifaiyya) and several other orders of Sufi groups and leadership. These run into hundreds of millions across the world.

The truth is that the moderate Muslim is only being tolerated by the hard-core Muslims for numbers, not that they do not regard them as equivalent to infidels and kafirs, the posy by OP has shown.

Ovacoma:
With all these rules, over 70 % of those calling themselves Muslims are not muslims, even the pro ph et of Islam.

Can you expatiate on both your fallacies?

Ever8090:
I pity people who still have time for such nuisance as a religion.....

Alhamdulillah! We are so proud of our religion, the religion of Jesus and other Prophets of Allah!

11doubledee:
What I appreciate about you is the honesty of your religious belief on how you view the Christians,jews and all other religions.
But the lies and pretence of some of your fellow Muslims is what I despise.
They keep demonising the jews, telling Christians the jews hate them, when in reality you Muslims see both as kaafirs.
So who is fooling or trying to fool who?

Honesty is that most (if not all) religions categorise people as believers and disbelievers! Those who follow a religion are believers. Those who don't follow the religion are disbelievers! Christians believe Jews and Muslims are disbelievers! Jews too believe both Muslims and Christians are disbelievers!

xeju:
Islam is an ideology that shouldn't be promoted or preached in this modern age. The religion is overdue for reform to align with the principles of humanity & peaceful living

Islam need no reform! We the people are the one who need to conform to Allah's disctates! You can barely spend a century on earth before your demise! The religion will outlive you! And its the only thing that remains with us in the afterlife!

ChristCee:
Good then. According to you, yourself and all followers of your faith are non believers and according to my religion we should not associate with them. Everyone should only start associating with people within their religion, cux you guys are hell candidates.

Where did you get this from the post?

Seems your are quoting 2 Corinthians 6:14 here!

Babinski:
You can also see from this post how Islam is problematic, but the world is condoning it in the name of diplomacy.

Islam is not "problematic" but the human thinking or ideology is flawed!

Going by what the OP has posted, not less than 70% of all Muslims in Nigeria, particularly in the South, are "kafirs - unbelievers" Or "munafiqun - false believers". Those whom we see as tolerant Muslims, who are the examples of Islam as a peaceful religion, all fall under this category of kafirs or munafiqun.

Who did the statistics? Can we get an empirical reference for your data? Stop giving beer parlour statistics here!

And that is not all. It also includes the following category of Muslims:
1. Those who see anything wrong or undesirable in giving out their little girls at first menstruation (i.e. 9 years or less) to be married.
2. Those who hate pedophilia or who try to make excuse that Aisha was older in order to cast the Prophet in "better light".
3. Those who say they serve the same God as Christians but it is only the approach or method that is different.
4. Those who give their daughters to Christians in marriage or allow their sons to marry Christians without converting them.
5. All Shia Muslims or Shittes and followers of sect leaders like Ahmad El Tijani (Tijaniyya), Ahmadou Bamba (Muridiyya), Ahmad al-Rifaʽi (Rifaiyya) and several other orders of Sufi groups and leadership. These run into hundreds of millions across the world.

The truth is that the moderate Muslim is only being tolerated by the hard-core Muslims for numbers, not that they do not regard them as equivalent to infidels and kafirs, the posy by OP has shown.

You are free to have your thoughts well as it were mixed with falsehood!

But the post is true for all who wants to correct themselves as Muslims!

Rashduct4luv:
Where did you get this from the post?

Seems your are quoting 2 Corinthians 6:14 here!

Nah bro, I was insinuating that such mentality when everyone assumes people outside their religion should be outcasts is a dangerous ideal that can ruin any society.

Rashduct4luv:
Can you expatiate on both your fallacies?

You can do little research on them yourself.

Rashduct4luv:
Alhamdulillah! We are so proud of our religion, the religion of Jesus and other Prophets of Allah!

oga, Jesus Christ was never a Muslim and neither of any prophet of God was a Muslim, Islam have only one prophet which is exactly what the religion should have.,the guy was as fake as it it.,

Ever8090:
oga, Jesus Christ was never a Muslim and neither of any prophet of God was a Muslim, Islam have only one prophet which is exactly what the religion should have.,the guy was as fake as it it.,

That remains your opinion!

Abraham was a Muslim!

As well as Adam and Jesus!

Argue with yourself!

Ovacoma:
You can do little research on them yourself.

So you don't even understand your statement?

ChristCee:
Nah bro, I was insinuating that such mentality when everyone assumes people outside their religion should be outcasts is a dangerous ideal that can ruin any society.

Where was the word "outcast" used in anywhere in the post?

If i believe my religion is the only way to eternal life and others are ways to hell, am i calling them outcasts by that?

Rashduct4luv:
So you don't even understand your statement?

i do, search for the truth yourself

Rashduct4luv:
That remains your opinion!

Abraham was a Muslim!

As well as Adam and Jesus!

Argue with yourself!

All these are claims, no evidence and not verified anywhere in history or in reality except only in the Quran. Where did the descendants of Abraham in Isaac get Judaism then? Why were the disciples of Jesus not spreading Islam?

Ovacoma:
All these are claims, no evidence and not verified anywhere in history or in reality except only in the Quran. Where did the descendants of Abraham in Isaac get Judaism then? Why were the disciples of Jesus not spreading Islam?

Show us where Abraham or his son made the claim they were spreading Judaism?

What the disciples of Jesus practised was Islam. All those write-up in the Bible we know Jesus knew nothing about them! Even majority of the disciples know nothing about them!