₦airaland Forum

Image123:
Are you okay at all? Is emancipation the worship of trees, rivers and statues you and your neighbors made? Why are you using phone and internet by the white man? You should have emancipated yourself by using the town crier still.

The white man religion is probably the only reason someone has not used you for money ritual.

Max24:
So, our own is idols according to white man indoctrination but their own is true God. Use your sense, pal. Whites and Arabs branded their God as the true God and called yours the fake God and you still accepted it even after giving you education. You need to emancipate yourself.

Totally out of point!
The thrones in Yoruba lands are leadership seats, not religious! So, any king should have the liberty to worship any God he wants!

Dotherightthing:
Wrong!

The stools predate the western religions in Yorubaland and have always been based on our traditional religion.

I am a born again christian.

Jesus said 'Give to caesar what belongs to caesar'

If you cannot be a traditionalist, stay away from the Yoruba thrones.

You are not a born again Christian, when you belong to God you will not advocate for the devil.
Yoruba kings from inception was never chosen from among the priests of any idol. They were chosen to represents the people whom are of diverse religion, the fact that they consult the oracle to select and install the king was because there was no other means of spiritual knowledge apart from the traditional method then. Saying that kingship should be reserved for idolaters is saying the land should be dedicated to the devil putting christians and Muslims at there mercy because the land is corrupt.
Hausas install their kings using Islamic injunctions, all the kings in the Bible were elected through God why should Yoruba continue to serve Baal even after majority of Yorubas no longer worship idol. Kings should be allowed to serve God too. After all there is freedom of religion in Nigeria. Haba

Max24:
Was Alafin Sango of old Oyo Empire a Christian or Muslim? I am a Christian but I believe our culture must be preserved.

Alaafin sango was a traditionalist because there was no other religion apart from traditional religion during his regn. His people too were traditionalist unlike nowadays where the majority of the people are no longer traditionalist and you think it's right for them to be reigned over by an idolater and a king should not have religious freedom. You are a Christian indeed. What will Jesus say.

mfm04622:
Totally out of point!
The thrones in Yoruba lands are leadership seats, not religious! So, any king should have the liberty to worship any God he wants!

Who told you that? Kingship is both leadership and religious. All Obas in the past without exception undertook ascension rituals including the late Awujale. Why didn't he tell them then that he was a Muslim and wouldn't do the rituals. Also, who appoints Obas in the past? In Yoruba land they use Ifa. Is Ifa a Christian or Muslim contraption? I agree we do away with certain barbaric aspects of traditional religion but to totally throw away the baby with the tap water is unacceptable. We should be proud of the heritage of our forefathers and not allow Whites and Arabs keep indoctrinating us with their own values. The burial of a king in Yoruba land from time immemorial is the duty of the Ogbonis and Osugbos. Can Christian ethos be used to bury the Sultan? Will Muslims agree to that?

fmlala:
A Muslim that wants leadership position can become an Imam and a Christian Pope if desperately desires to lead but for the traditional stool, leave that for the traditionalist ( An Oba in Yorubaland is called Alase Igbakeji Orisa)


I am a Christian and would rather leave that part for the traditionalist or I join politics and become Governor or President to serve my people.

That was ages ago, right now he cant make any pronouncement that is against the constitution or they will haul in jail in a jiffy. Things have changed in the society and the stool should also change.

vannessa7:
Alaafin sango was a traditionalist because there was no other religion apart from traditional religion during his regn. His people too were traditionalist unlike nowadays where the majority of the people are no longer traditionalist and you think it's right for them to be reigned over by an idolater and a king should not have religious freedom. You are a Christian indeed. What will Jesus say.

So you call the religion of your forefathers idolatry and other imported and introduced religions true religion? Who introduced the concepts of name calling others idolatry and paganism with negative connotations? The whites brainwashed us into deriding our own and branded the theirs as authentic. These are some of the issues late Fela sang about. It's high time we start asking questions too. These imported religions are not superior to what our forefathers did. There is nothing wrong in modernising traditional religion though like the whites and Arabs did to Christianity and Islam.

CoronaVirusPro:
What happens when Governor’s starts electing Óbá’s.

The Yoruba tradition is about to be exterminated.

The pope was buried in the tradition of Roman Catholics. They observed every rite that dates back centuries. The British royal family does same.

African wannabe’s will tell you their own tradition is outdated.

Yoruba people will not know what hit them for allowing Tinubu into their lives.

They will find out the hard way.

Image123:
When you discard killing, beating, and other humiliation. Allow others also discard burial. Simple.

And who is supposed to do that when you have all become Muslims and Christians?
For example who is supposed to grow local football league when everyone watches premier League?
The African mind is too weird!

There was a time Muslims drank Camel urine to cure themselves from illness but they realized Mohammed might have been saying jackkk hehehe

StaffofOrayan:
And who is supposed to do that when you have all become Muslims and Christians?
For example who is supposed to grow local football league when everyone watches premier League?
The African mind is too weird!

There was a time Muslims drank Camel urine to cure themselves from illness but they realized Mohammed might have been saying jackkk hehehe

Supposed to do what? Nothing wrong with watching a good thing or buying a good thing from outside. It's not mutually exclusive to build yours in the process. Have you seen the Saudi league, the South African league, or the South American leagues? Do you think they hide in hole and not watch the European leagues? Does this stop them from having better leagues than yours. Why blame others for your own failures? Change is permanent, get that into your understanding instead of fighting blindly for smoke.

Image123:
Supposed to do what? Nothing wrong with watching a good thing or buying a good thing from outside. It's not mutually exclusive to build yours in the process. Have you seen the Saudi league, the South African league, or the South American leagues? Do you think they hide in hole and not watch the European leagues? Does this stop them from having better leagues than yours. Why blame others for your own failures? Change is permanent, get that into your understanding instead of fighting blindly for smoke.

Oga mention ONE local based player and his club without going online?
Una go just dey argue wetin no get meaning!

Shattuck:
not entirely true though ancient British tradition wasn't Christian either, but the queen was buried in a Christian ceremony, I understand your sentiment also, I believe what the oba is trying to say is that ancient kingship was more of a leadership stuff than a spiritual stuff, to some extent he is also right.

As far back as the 6th century, UK is a answerable to the church. Everything around it was modified according to how the church want it.

Until recently, uk become an atheist country but the king is still head of the Anglican church which is the official church of England.

Everything done in the monarch always follow a certain tradition. The way the church fathers laid it down.

descarado:
As far back as the 6th century, UK is a answerable to the church. Everything around it was modified according to how the church want it.

Until recently, uk become an atheist country but the king is still head of the Anglican church which is the official church of England.

Everything done in the monarch always follow a certain tradition. The way the church fathers laid it down.

but the religion is still a foreign religion to the British as it did not originate from there.

StaffofOrayan:
Oga mention ONE local based player and his club without going online?
Una go just dey argue wetin no get meaning!

You missed the point. i didn't say your local players are popular, plus i don't watch football and will struggle to mention players in any league globally except very popular. The point again is very simple, improving and making your local league vibrant and interesting doesn't stop you from connecting to the global and major leagues. Exactly the example i gave about better leagues across the continents.

DolapoX:
Only in Nigeria we see things like this

Is it necessary we modernize our culture

so we shouldn't leave cannibalism... Mutilation and using human for ritual to demons in the name of Traditions....

What kind of useless Traditions is that when Elon Musk is launching satellite to Mars, you are there using Egungun costume to beating people ....

Look, Oba is the custodian of cultures and traditions in any Village, Town or Cities as well as Spiritual Head of His Town ... But If your traditions or religion is Anti-Human But Pro demons such Traditions needs to be Re-evaluated and phase out for Growth and Development Traditions!

Max24:
So you call the religion of your forefathers idolatry and other imported and introduced religions true religion? Who introduced the concepts of name calling others idolatry and paganism with negative connotations? The whites brainwashed us into deriding our own and branded the theirs as authentic. These are some of the issues late Fela sang about. It's high time we start asking questions too. These imported religions are not superior to what our forefathers did. There is nothing wrong in modernising traditional religion though like the whites and Arabs did to Christianity and Islam.

This is the type of argument you can use to win over a novice or natural man like you. For those of us that have been walking with God for decades we know better. For instance we know all human being are accountable to only one God and there is only one heaven and one hell. The idols our forefathers worshipped were created too and they don't have a separate heaven to take their followers to. Moreover, the fact that God chose a particular tribe to call humanity back to Him is not unexpected nor unreasonable because He cannot call every tribe on earth at once, what matters is that anyone that decided to come to Him sincerely through any of the Abrahamic religion will find Him and realise he or she has come home because all human being came from God.

vannessa7:
This is the type of argument you can use to win over a novice or natural man like you. For those of us that have been walking with God for decades we know better. For instance we know all human being are accountable to only one God and there is only one heaven and one hell. The idols our forefathers worshipped were created too and they don't have a separate heaven to take their followers to. Moreover, the fact that God chose a particular tribe to call humanity back to Him is not unexpected nor unreasonable because He cannot call every tribe on earth at once, what matters is that anyone that decided to come to Him sincerely through any of the Abrahamic religion will find Him and realise he or she has come home because all human being came from God.

So, the Israelites are assistants of God? Be deceiving yourself. No wonder, Jews are said to be wise. They have indoctrinated your minds with their philosophy and their religion and succeeded in making you discard yours. Keep deceiving yourself. God appeared to Moses and children of Israel in thunders, how many times has he appeared to you?

Max24:
So, the Israelites are assistants of God? Be deceiving yourself. No wonder, Jews are said to be wise. They have indoctrinated your minds with their philosophy and their religion and succeeded in making you discard yours. Keep deceiving yourself. God appeared to Moses and children of Israel in thunders, how many times has he appeared to you?

He has appeared to me countless times through signs and wonders like He did to the Israelites, God is real even the followers of those idols will tell you that simple fact. Don't wait until you 'need' God before looking for Him. By the way I'm a Muslim, click on my handle here to read my story of conversation from Christianity to Islam