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Jesus was a Jew. He never called his followers Christians. He was a Jew who preached a form of Judaism. He never opposed the Jewish laws. He never wrote any theology books. He never built a church. He taught in the Jewish synagogue.

The first written words about his ministry were written over 30 years after his purported death through the undisputed letters of Paul/Saul after his purported visionary encounter with the cosmic Jesus on the road to Damascus.

It was this that the unknown author of the texts in later titled gospel of Mark capitalised upon to write his own story of the Jesus ministry.
Note that Marks gospel reads like a quick summary of a human preacher called Jesus.
Luke and Mathew seized upon and copied Mark to write their later accounts of this ministry from their own point of view and to promote their varied agenda. Mathew was writing to impress the Jewish community while Luke wrote to impress the gentiles.
By the time the gospel of John was written in AD 90-100 the Jesus in Marks gospel had evolved from a human being to a divine god like being who is equal to God the Father and the Holy spirit in a holy trinity.

The cosmic Jesus in Paul's letters is made human by the writer of Mark. This Jesus is unsure of himself and warns people he healed not to talk about him as a messiah,however by the time the gospel of John was written Jesus has evolved and been embellished with myths that transform him into a self assured divine messiah who orders those he has healed to proclaim he is a messiah,a son of God,a trinity being equal to the father and the Holy spirit!
The longer time moved on from the first letters of Paul,so did the Jesus myth evolve,improvise and become embellished into a trinity by writers that NEVER met Jesus.
Paul who started the whole Christianity movement ,himself NEVER physically met Jesus EXCEPT through a vision.
So these are things no Christian is ever taught in their church. It is all an embellishment of a myth.
There might have been a missionary named Jesus but in all honesty Nobody can discern the real historical entity named Jesus from Paul's letter or from the anonymous gospels in the Bible.

The apotheosis of men into God like beings had been told in mythology of man-gods in Greek and Roman theology that had come eons before the Jesus character of the Bible.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus was a Jew. He never called his followers Christians. He was a Jew who preached a form of Judaism. He never opposed the Jewish laws. He never wrote any theology books. He never built a church. He taught in the Jewish synagogue.

The first written words about his ministry were written over 30 years after his purported death through the undisputed letters of Paul/Saul after his purported visionary encounter with the cosmic Jesus on the road to Damascus.

It was this that the unknown author of the texts in later titled gospel of Mark capitalised upon to write his own story of the Jesus ministry.
Note that Marks gospel reads like a quick summary of a human preacher called Jesus.
Luke and Mathew seized upon and copied Mark to write their later accounts of this ministry from their own point of view and to promote their varied agenda. Mathew was writing to impress the Jewish community while Luke wrote to impress the gentiles.
By the time the gospel of John was written in AD 90-100 the Jesus in Marks gospel had evolved from a human being to a divine god like being who is equal to God the Father and the Holy spirit in a holy trinity.

The cosmic Jesus in Paul's letters is made human by the writer of Mark. This Jesus is unsure of himself and warns people he healed not to talk about him as a messiah,however by the time the gospel of John was written Jesus has evolved and been embellished with myths that transform him into a self assured divine messiah who orders those he has healed to proclaim he is a messiah,a son of God,a trinity being equal to the father and the Holy spirit!
The longer time moved on from the first letters of Paul,so did the Jesus myth evolve,improvise and become embellished into a trinity by writers that NEVER met Jesus.
Paul who started the whole Christianity movement ,himself NEVER physically met Jesus EXCEPT through a vision.
So these are things no Christian is ever taught in their church. It is all an embellishment of a myth.
There might have been a missionary named Jesus but in all honesty Nobody can discern the real historical entity named Jesus from Paul's letter or from the anonymous gospels in the Bible.

The apotheosis of men into God like beings had been told in mythology of man-gods in Greek and Roman theology that had come eons before the Jesus character of the Bible.

I have gone over some of your threads in this section and I am baffled and disturbed as to why you have chosen to mislead innocent people with heresy and falsehood.
You write a lot of guess work with ultimately no shred of evidence. Provide evidence,not innuendos.

confusedlady:
I have gone over some of your threads in this section and I am baffled and disturbed as to why you have chosen to mislead innocent people with heresy and falsehood.
You write a lot of guess work with ultimately no shred of evidence. Provide evidence,not innuendos.

Since you sound 'polite', I ask you a question; Do you really believe that Mathew,Mark, Luke and John were the names of the authors of the four canonised gospels in the Bible?

Goosethetruth:
Since you sound 'polite', I ask you a question; Do you really believe that Mathew,Mark, Luke and John were the names of the authors of the four canonised gospels in the Bible?

It doesn't matter the names of who wrote the Gospels. The importance is to grasp the messages therein.
How does the message in the gospels touch your heart and how do you utilise the message in your life as a Christian.

confusedlady:
It doesn't matter the names of who wrote the Gospels. The importance is to grasp the messages therein.
How does the message in the gospels touch your heart and how do you utilise the message in your life as a Christian.

If the early church leaders decided to affix names to the gospels the simple question is: What else did they do?
Why did the church leaders decide that these FOUR gospels out of the uncountable number of gospel stories floating around at that period in time?
What made the elders and Emperor Constantine decide to elevate Jesus to a divine entity at the ecumenical council of Nicea in 325AD? Why did this same council decide and set the date for EASTER??
I hope you are also aware it was at the council of Ephesus in 431AD, that the church elders decided that Jesus is ONE person with two natures-(1) Divine (2) Human.
It was this same council that declared MARY as God bearer/mother of God.

Many Christians know nothing about the creeds of these ecumenical councils because they are not ready to do any research or investigate the ORIGINS of your religion.

Finally my point: With all these anonymous gospels which were written after the letters of Paul. With all the contradictions in these gospels. With all the translations/mistranslations. With all the interpolation and insertions. With all the Roman inspired creeds that govern Christianity where does the real,historical Jesus fit in? My belief is no-one can discover the real Jesus under the avalanche of embellishments and manufactured theology by the early church leaders and the Romans.

Goosethetruth:
If the early church leaders decided to affix names to the gospels the simple question is: What else did they do?
Why did the church leaders decide that these FOUR gospels out of the uncountable number of gospel stories floating around at that period in time?
What made the elders and Emperor Constantine decide to elevate Jesus to a divine entity at the ecumenical council of Nicea in 325AD? Why did this same council decide and set the date for EASTER??
I hope you are also aware it was at the council of Ephesus in 431AD, that the church elders decided that Jesus is ONE person with two natures-(1) Divine (2) Human.
It was this same council that declared MARY as God bearer/mother of God.

Many Christians know nothing about the creeds of these ecumenical councils because they are not ready to do any research or investigate the ORIGINS of your religion.

Finally my point: With all these anonymous gospels which were written after the letters of Paul. With all the contradictions in these gospels. With all the translations/mistranslations. With all the interpolation and insertions. With all the Roman inspired creeds that govern Christianity where does the real,historical Jesus fit in? My belief is no-one can discover the real Jesus under the avalanche of embellishments and manufactured theology by the early church leaders and the Romans.

Knowing all these knowledgeable factors why are you in the Christianity section all the time?
Why are you always talking about a book that is full of contradictions according to you all the time.
You and other atheists sound as if you are obsessed with the Bible and it's lovely message of hope.
If I may ask were you formerly a religious person? Which denomination did you formerly belong to ? It's alright if you are too shy to answer.

confusedlady:
Knowing all these knowledgeable factors why are you in the Christianity section all the time?
Why are you always talking about a book that is full of contradictions according to you all the time.
You and other atheists sound as if you are obsessed with the Bible and it's lovely message of hope.
If I may ask were you formerly a religious person? Which denomination did you formerly belong to ? It's alright if you are too shy to answer.

In answer to your questions.
I have been a Jehovah witness.
I have been a Methodist in fact I was born into Methodist songs.
I have been a white garment church member. [C&S]
I have been into Scripture Union in school(SU)
I understand religion very well.
That is why I am exposing the hypocrisy in all Abrahamic religions

I am not obsessed with your book of contradictions. I am exposing the falsehood and propaganda. Let Seun create an independent section for free thinkers and Agnostics like myself and see the Christianity section fade away .
Be informed,it is Agnostics and atheists that keep this section relevant!

Goosethetruth:
In answer to your questions.
I have been a Jehovah witness.
I have been a Methodist in fact I was born into Methodist songs.
I have been a white garment church member. [C&S]
I have been into Scripture Union in school(SU)
I understand religion very well.
That is why I am exposing the hypocrisy in all Abrahamic religions

I am not obsessed with your book of contradictions. I am exposing the falsehood and propaganda. Let Seun create an independent section for free thinkers and Agnostics like myself and see the Christianity section fade away .
Be informed,it is Agnostics and atheists that keep this section relevant!

If you have been into so many religious denominations and churches before becoming Agnostic as you claim then it is still possible for you to retrace your footsteps and in a full 360 degree turn around return into religion. You appear unstable but there is still hope for you. Jesus loves you.
Good morning.

confusedlady:
It doesn't matter the names of who wrote the Gospels. The importance is to grasp the messages therein.
How does the message in the gospels touch your heart and how do you utilise the message in your life as a Christian.

1. What is the gospel message?
2. If it is about the message, does Jesus have to exist?

confusedlady:
If you have been into so many religious denominations and churches before becoming Agnostic as you claim then it is still possible for you to retrace your footsteps and in a full 360 degree turn around return into religion. You appear unstable but there is still hope for you. Jesus loves you.
Good morning.

You are still not getting the point.
Would you be willing to embrace Islam? If no why not.
The same way you see Islam as a scam is same way we see Christianity as a scam. They have nothing to offer anybody. They were only created to control the minds of feeble men.

confusedlady:
If you have been into so many religious denominations and churches before becoming Agnostic as you claim then it is still possible for you to retrace your footsteps and in a full 360 degree turn around return into religion. You appear unstable but there is still hope for you. Jesus loves you.
Good morning.

The simple fact is that your Bible is SO CORRUPTED,that nothing inside it is what it was originally meant to mean or signify.
There is an avalanche of embellishment,translations,mistranslation,interpolation, editing,re-editing and injection of varied theological agendas to an extent that nothing in that book represents any historical character.
It is just a mind control propaganda tool.