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qtx:
I think you are already biased. bc of that, your write-up is not making much sense. You wrote based on speculation without proof. We all do not have details of the terms of the negotiation that made Hamas disagree, but you already sound like you have a copy of the terms with you. No na. Also, how can you say Israel controls America?

Amuluonyenaego:
Be like the US is using isreal as their puppet, anyways I stand with isreal anywhere Dey goes.

ElevationD:
Exactly!

Hamas, Hamas, Hamas!

They say trouble de sleep, iyanga go wake am up. If Hamas did not attack Israelis on the 7th of October 2023, there would be no battle.

obedience4:
Israel And US Leave Gaza Ceasefire Talks In Qatar

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrqrz857wgo

D00msDay:
Who is holding hostages?

P1PrinceKT:
You mean there's no battle before 1948?
KHAMAS... KHAMAS... KHAMAS...

obedience4:
Israel And US Leave Gaza Ceasefire Talks In Qatar

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrqrz857wgo

Sellfish:
Lmao


But they were quick to accept a ceasefire on Iran, as Dem see say Iran dey return the wotowoto fire for fire


When the strong chokes the strong, peace must come hell or high water...but when the strong are choking the weak, the strong can choose to abandon peace anytime, as is the case with Israel and Gaza

ElevationD:
Yes we know.

We also know that there was no KHAMAS before 1948.

Father4all:
One thing about Israel and Americans is that they lied too much. Children of of God indeed

Mirasteel:
Stop believing nonsense western media that is controlled by Jews, Hamas wants the war to end but it's the genocidal Netanyahu that wants the war to continue because they have plans of taking Gaza from Palestinians that's why there's currently genocide and starvation.
They are using the same method that Nazis used on them during world war 2 for Palestinians.

ledaman:
Are you not ashamed of writing this?
If someone should send you parking from your father's house, will you be happy?

CaseSensitive:
What people don’t know? No. what YOU don’t know is that this war has never been about aid scams or corrupt leaders in Qatar. That’s just lazy propaganda to distract from the real agenda: wiping Gaza off the map and making a Palestinian state impossible. Israel isn’t “clearing buffer zones”, it’s bulldozing homes, bombing civilians, and starving people into submission. That’s not defense, it’s ethnic cleansing in broad daylight.

UNRWA exists because Palestinians were expelled and never allowed back. You can’t blame people for being refugees when the very state that displaced them refuses to let them return. That’s like burning someone’s house down and then mocking them for living in a tent.

And please spare us the recycled Arafat story, meanwhile, Netanyahu and his cronies are under corruption charges right now, and Israel is getting billions in US taxpayer money to flatten schools and hospitals. But sure, keep ranting about “aid money” while kids in Gaza are eating grass to survive.
This isn’t about Hamas getting rich, it’s about Israel using every excuse to drag this war out, crush Gaza completely, and make sure Palestine stays a dream. The only people getting rich off this war are weapons manufacturers and the politicians who profit endless bloodshed.
So yeah, that’s what people don’t know. Or maybe they do, and they’re just too comfortable ignoring it because agenda must agend - Western media been working overtime and people gobble it down their throat without historical facts.

CaseSensitive:
Honestly, it’s hard not to see the US and Israel walking out of the Doha talks as more of a political move than a breakdown caused solely by Hamas. The language from the US envoy calling Hamas "selfish" and not acting in good faith, feels more like a setup to shift blame than a genuine reflection of the negotiation dynamics. Especially since even Israeli officials admitted there was “no collapse” and Hamas said they were still keen to continue.

Let’s not forget the wider context. The US keeps invoking Oct 7, a horrific day, no doubt, but ignores the decades of occupation, blockade, and dispossession that created this powder keg in the first place. Macron’s statement about recognising Palestine may feel like a slap to some in Israel, but it’s more of a long-overdue correction than an insult. Recognition of Palestinian rights shouldn’t be held hostage by one violent episode, as terrible as it was.

And then there’s the so-called "Trump Gaza" vision which is a Dubai-style redevelopment that can only happen once Gaza is cleared of resistance and much of its population weakened or displaced. It’s not conspiracy theory; there are actual reports that some elites have eyes on Gaza’s coast for future projects. That won’t happen unless the current devastation continues. So yes, the US dragging its feet on a ceasefire might align with those long-term plans, whether it’s about political leverage, Iran containment, or future business opportunities.

Meanwhile, civilians are dying by the thousands, starving, and being shot trying to get food. The US keeps backing Israel under the pretext of fighting Hamas, but the human cost is staggering. At some point, you have to ask: is this still about hostages and security, or is something much larger and darker playing out?

Unbiased1:
People don't know that this war is a huge source of income for Hamas and UNWRA. No humanitarian crisis means no donations so Hamas prefers Palestinians to keep dying to keep the aid money flowing. Yasser Arafat died and left 4 billion dollars for his family without owning a single business. Where do you think all that money came from? Palestinians are what we call "forever refugees". The day they seize to be refugees, their aid money stops coming which means no money for their corrupt leaders to spend while living in Qatar and Turkey.

Israel has already cleared up 80% of Gaza for a so-called buffer zone and is now marching into Dier a bala which is one of the last few Gazan neighbourhoods that have not really felt any major impact in this war. Israel will soon crush whatever is left of Gaza, let's see how they get a Palestinian state when Israel controls 90% of Gaza and over 65% of the West Bank.

Unbiased1:
If Israel and the US have bad plans for Gaza, how about Hamas release the captives and go on exile let the current bombardment end? How do you hold 52 captives and watch 2 million plus of your citizens suffer?

CaseSensitive:
That argument sounds neat, doesn't it? until you realize it’s built on false morality. If Hamas releasing 52 captives was all it took to stop a military campaign that’s already killed nearly 60,000 people, flattened entire neighborhoods, and starved children, then Israel was never fighting Hamas. It was punishing a population.

Israel didn’t start bombing because of hostages. It started bombing within hours of Oct 7 and has continued nonstop even when hostages were released in previous deals. This isn’t about captives, it’s about crushing Gaza, displacing the population, and making sure a Palestinian state never becomes reality.

Yes, Hamas holds captives and that’s wrong. But Israel holds over 9,000 Palestinian detainees, many without trial, including children. You didn't know that did you? Israel's life is better and far superior than Palestinians life? What’s the moral high ground here? You can’t call for mercy from the side being bombed when the one dropping bombs refuses every ceasefire and uses starvation as a weapon.

Let’s not pretend exile and surrender would end this. If Hamas vanished tomorrow, Israel would still control Gaza’s borders, airspace, and food supply, like it did before this war. The suffering of Palestinians is not conditional on Hamas. It’s built into the occupation itself.

So no, the question isn’t why won’t Hamas surrender. The real question is: why does a so-called democracy need a siege, a war, and a mountain of bodies to justify denying another people their freedom?

Dive a little deeper in history my friend or stop bloating on propaganda.

Unbiased1:
A Palestinian who lives in Gaza is not a refugee. You can't have an apartment in an 8 storey building and a shop and still call yourself a refugee. The so-called refugees of Gaza are living better lives than ordinary citizens in many countries of the world. The Palestinians have been offered a 2 state solution on 5 different occasions and they were all rejected. They are their own problems. You can't kill 1,200 people in Israel, kidnap 255 and think you will have peace. Israel should proceed to annex the entire Gaza and be done with it if they don't surrender and release the remaining captives unconditionally.

ubimagos:
But why did Hamas entered Israel and killed about 1200 people and kidnapped over 250 people in the first place. Where they thinking that Israel will just fold hands and watch!

Unbiased1:
If it was about a blockage, I wonder why Hamas didn't also attack Egypt. The Egyptian wall separating Gaza and Egypt is taller and larger than that of Israel. In 2021, official migration report showed that over 170 thousand Palestinians came to Israel for various reasons including jobs. That same year, Israel increased the number of visas it gives to the Palestinians leading to an increase in migration from Gaza to Israel from over 170k in 2021 to over 600k in 2022. So much for a blockage.

Where was Israel when Hamas started building a tunnel network longer than the New York metro line? Where was Israel when Hamas carried out frequent rocket tests into the Mediterranean sea (as confirmed by one of Al-Jazeera's senior journalist in an interview in Doha)? Where was Israel when Hamas was carrying out paragliding tests and shooting tests in Gaza and even documenting their progress with videos? These activities took place in the open and Israel, the official controller of the Palestinian lives could have stopped them. How can you describe Gaza, a city where it's so-called refugee camps are 8 storey buildings of which it's residents have shops where they sell goods? Please these videos are online for everyone to see. Lookup for Gaza before the war and tell me how a city with a Gold market, 5 star hotels and beach resorts is considered a glorified open air prison.

The Israeli government has made it clear on several occasions that this war could come to an end if Hamas surrenders and releases the captives. Israel (as well as no other country) will not accept a ceasefire that will see the enemy (Hamas) continue to exist. If the west did not allow the Nazis exist after WWII, so shall Hamas seize to exist after this war.

For the prisoners, almost 90% of the prisoners that have been released in previous ceasefire deals were properly tried in court and jailed for various offences most of which was murder. Israel has Palestinian prisoners most of whom have been tried and sentenced while Hamas has Israeli captives hope you understand that.

bigpicture001:
So why not Hamas release hostages at least for the benefit of doubt and see what isreal will do..?

So that the whole. World will b justified in asking isreal to stop

Mirasteel:
Stop believing nonsense western media that is controlled by Jews, Hamas wants the war to end but it's the genocidal Netanyahu that wants the war to continue because they have plans of taking Gaza from Palestinians that's why there's currently genocide and starvation.
They are using the same method that Nazis used on them during world war 2 for Palestinians.

wanimo:
you can show me any portion of the agreement which corroborate this your opinion

aloma007:
Unfortunately religious sentiments and bigotism won over you lots forgetting the present day Israel isn't the one inside poem book called bible tales. No sane people will remain seated while being slaughtered without reaction for once and hence the October7th action your illusionary leaders in Christ from Israel used as a leverage to brain was you lots forgetting Israel has been hijacked by westerners telling you to support them because your white lord Jesus is from Israel and Jerusalem with more Muslims and Jews than Christians is the holy site of the world where as LGBTQ dominates the so called land of Christ.

Believing doesn't make one blind or calls for support to kill and kill uncontrollably.

Mirasteel:
You need to learn what happened before Oct 7th.