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FreeIgboho:
God can do anything he wishes to do. You're trying to understand him from human perspective

How do you know this when you say we can have no foggy idea of the nature of God.
What if God does not do anything at all?

I can equally tell you that you are only creating your own human ideas.

DeepSight:
First and foremost what gives you the right to create a special list of things that apply to God, when you say God is unknowable?
There you go. See the contradiction?

So I have no reason to respect your list.
Many things there are just meaningless. Such as saying that he claimed to be God. Many have claimed that. Such as saying his words are alive today. What is the Quoran? Such as saying that he was prophesied - most religions claim the same of their founders. Such as saying a Dove came over his head. Thousands if not millions of similar stories exist about religious figures. Such as saying he was resurrected. Not a shred of proof of that. If we are to take what is written in the Bible as proof of something like that, be ready to take all the fantastic events recorded in other books as well.

Ensure you attend to this post, especially the red.

DeepSight:
See above. Who made you the creator of a list of God's attributes when you say no one can know God?
I can create my own list you know?

I DID NO SUCH THING!!!
Mention one attribute I said God MUST have.

Let me ask two questions
1. What would it take to convince you that Son of God is visiting the earth
2. If you were God what would you do to convince people that the person visiting is truly your son.

Study everything about Jesus and you'd get the answers

DeepSight:
Ensure you attend to this post, especially the red.

I DID NO SUCH THING!!!
Mention one attribute I said God MUST have.

FreeIgboho:
I DID NO SUCH THING!!!
Mention one attribute I said God MUST have.

Are you joking? Didnt you produce a list and ask who else in history has them and that you will believe such a person is GOD?

DeepSight:
How do you know this when you say we can have no foggy idea of the nature of God.
What if God does not do anything at all?

I can equally tell you that you are only creating your own human ideas.

That includes not do anything at all.
That of course is from human perspective - God to us basically means one who can do or not do anything he wishes

FreeIgboho:
Let me ask two questions
1. What would it take to convince you that Son of God is visiting the earth
2. If you were God what would you do to convince people that the person visiting is truly your son.

Study everything about Jesus and you'd get the answers

Can you see the problem here?

1. You have assumed there is anything like the Son of God. (You even call him "God the Son of God" weirdly.)
2. You have assumed that God will try to convince anyone that one Jewish man is his special Son.

Yet you say God is unknowable?
You obviously have created your own GOD.

DeepSight:
Are you joking? Didnt you produce a list and ask who else in history has them and that you will believe such a person is GOD?

NOT a list of his attributes but a list of what happened about him!!! Mention one attribute

FreeIgboho:
NOT a list of his attributes but a list of what happened about him!!! Mention one attribute

Let me indulge you. What gives you the right all the same, to produce a list of what happens to a person as a result of which you call him God?
Remember you asked me to show you any other person with same events.

That means you already have a list of what must happen to a person who is God.
Who gave you this right?

I can produce my own list.

DeepSight:
Can you see the problem here?

1. You have assumed there is anything like the Son of God. (You even call him "God the Son of God" weirdly.)
2. You have assumed that God will try to convince anyone that one Jewish man is his special Son.

Yet you say God is unknowable?
You obviously have created your own GOD.

Here's what I wrote that you obviously didn't read:

5) So how do you know God? The ONLY way is the way it happened with Jesus. ANYONE that all those things happened with is God the Son of God. You can't know him any other way. You can't know him by logic, reasoning, or attributes. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY!!

DeepSight:
Let me indulge you. What gives you the right all the same, to produce a list of what happens to a person as a result of which you call him God?
Remember you asked me to show you any other person with same events.

That means you already have a list of what must happen to a person who is God.
Who gave you this right?

I can produce my own list.

Please don't let me think you're dense. That he's unknowable doesn't mean you go blind. You pay attention to circumstantial evidence! Jesus ALONE has it ALL

FreeIgboho:
Please don't let me think you're dense. That he's unknowable doesn't mean you go blind. You pay attention to circumstantial evidence! Jesus ALONE has it ALL

Think away. Creating a list of qualifications for something you say is unknowable. Joker.
I have my list as well.
And i can make it fit anyone.
Go and sleep.

DeepSight:
Think away. Creating a list of qualifications for something you say is unknowable. Joker.
I have my list as well.
And i can make it fit anyone.
Go and sleep.

I DIDN'T CREATE ANY LIST!!!!!
I simply noticed what happened with him!!!
You can do so also with anybody!!!
Noticing is not the same as creating!!
Jeez!!

FreeIgboho:
I DIDN'T CREATE ANY LIST!!!!!
I simply noticed what happened with him!!!
You can do so also with anybody!!!
Noticing is not the same as creating!!
Jeez!!

Dont worry, I will notice all that happened to anyone I like, say that those things render that person God and leave it there.
I have noticed for instance that I am -

1. Conscious and
2. Mysterious and
3. Weird

I have concluded that I am God.
Bow down and worship.

Your list is meaningless.
Do you know what others can come up with?

You are talking about a man you cant even prove existed. Nor can prove ressurected. And adding so many meaningless things like his word is alive today. Are the words of Prophet Muhammad not alive? You even said a dove hung over his head as if you were there. And confidently creating lists of this and that that makes you believe.

Look, it still amounts to giving attributes to God. Once you say that because x, y, z happened to a man, then he is God, it means you know the attributes of God.

Worse than that, you demanded that I should show a man who same things happened to and you will believe. This simply means you know all that has to happen to a man for him to be God.

Ergo, you know the attributes of God.
A thing that you denied.

DeepSight:
Men are not the creators of the universe, men are not eternal, men are not self existent.
Worst of all, men are not born by Holy Spirit knacking.
Neither is it like them to be any such thing.
Good night.

The harder you try, the more you validate such a point😂.

FreeIgboho:
Go ahead, say how.
You can't because what I said was 100% true!

I will leave that to the reader, since you can't see how😅.

Gabrielshow24:
The harder you try, the more you validate such a point😂.

Like just talking gibbberish confirms one is correct.
Amusing.

Ol boy, study hard, come back in two decades.

DeepSight:
Like just talking gibbberish confirms one is correct.
Amusing.

Ol boy, study hard, come back in two decades.

Still, my son. Every question you continue to pose highlight the hypostatic union. You unwittingly continue to emphasize the need for such. Although, you prefer that he is an hybrid 😂 or probably in the worst sense of it, "not God" and "not man"🤦🏾‍♂️.

Ensure you take your own word and do the needful.

Gabrielshow24:
Still, my son. Every question you continue to pose highlight the hypostatic union. You unwittingly continue to emphasize the need for such. Although, you prefer that he is an hybrid 😂 or probably in the worst sense of it, "not God" and "not man"🤦🏾‍♂️.

Ensure you take your own word and do the needful.

Goodluck.

FreeIgboho:
But that is still due to the type of brain they have, which they didn't choose, and it's conditioning over a lifetime, which they also had no hand in

Freewill doesn't involve choosing your kind of brain but ability and will to make decisions. You can decide to listen or not listen, that's free will.

Image123:
Freewill doesn't involve choosing your kind of brain but ability and will to make decisions. You can decide to listen or not listen, that's free will.

At this point, even if you slap him with this. He still cries, "no freewill". It's futile. He has formed his dogmatic conclusion, impervious to reason and scripture!

He wants to believe what he wants to believe!
If you like use biblical verses that highlight the actor exhibiting his free will, he will still see "No free will". It's an observer bias. One that is false, and negates the coexistence of pre-determined systems and free will!

Good luck🐌, trying to convince him 😅👋.

Gabrielshow24:
At this point, even if you slap him with this. He still cries, "no freewill". It's futile. He has formed his dogmatic conclusion, impervious to reason and scripture!

He wants to believe what he wants to believe!
If you like use biblical verses that highlight the actor exhibiting his free will, he will still see "No free will". It's an observer bias. One that is false, and negates the coexistence of pre-determined systems and free will!

Good luck🐌, trying to convince him 😅👋.

DeepSight:
Dont worry, I will notice all that happened to anyone I like, say that those things render that person God and leave it there.
I have noticed for instance that I am -

1. Conscious and
2. Mysterious and
3. Weird

I have concluded that I am God.
Bow down and worship.

Your list is meaningless.
Do you know what others can come up with?

You are talking about a man you cant even prove existed. Nor can prove ressurected. And adding so many meaningless things like his word is alive today. Are the words of Prophet Muhammad not alive? You even said a dove hung over his head as if you were there. And confidently creating lists of this and that that makes you believe.

Look, it still amounts to giving attributes to God. Once you say that because x, y, z happened to a man, then he is God, it means you know the attributes of God.

Worse than that, you demanded that I should show a man who same things happened to and you will believe. This simply means you know all that has to happen to a man for him to be God.

Ergo, you know the attributes of God.
A thing that you denied.

Wow! This is definition of STUBBORNNESS!!
Ok, I don't have foggiest idea who John is or even what he is like. People start saying John is coming in 200 hundred years, someone comes just before he comes to say John was indeed coming soon. John finally comes and says he was indeed John and was different from anybody else. John says you'd know he's John because his words would never pass away. 2000 years later people are still discoursing the coming of John and his words have never passed away.
WHAT ATTRIBUTE HAVE I ASSIGNED TO JOHN BY OBSERVING ALL THIS??
You keep asking for proof, what proof do you have that anything you read about actually happened? Were you there? Did you witness the experiment you believe? What proof do you have any historical figure existed? What proof do you even have that I am a real person, not AI. Everything is circumstantial evidence my friend. Jesus and his ressurection won't be the exception!

Gabrielshow24:
I will leave that to the reader, since you can't see how😅.

😅Cop out.
Ill kindly let you save face

FreeIgboho:
Wow! This is definition of STUBBORNNESS!!
Everything is circumstantial evidence my friend. Jesus and his ressurection won't be the exception!

😂So intriguing that you can see stubbornness elsewhere and you can also acknowledge "circumstantial evidence"😂.

Bro, your posits are very disjointed! The both of you are perfect for each other🤣. Good luck 🤞.

FreeIgboho:
Wow! This is definition of STUBBORNNESS!!
Ok, I don't have foggiest idea who John is or even what he is like. People start saying John is coming in 200 hundred years, someone comes just before he comes to say John was indeed coming soon. John finally comes and says he was indeed John and was different from anybody else. John says you'd know he's John because his words would never pass away. 2000 years later people are still discoursing the coming of John and his words have never passed away.
WHAT ATTRIBUTE HAVE I ASSIGNED TO JOHN BY OBSERVING ALL THIS??
You keep asking for proof, what proof do you have that anything you read about actually happened? Were you there? Did you witness the experiment you believe? What proof do you have any historical figure existed? What proof do you even have that I am a real person, not AI. Everything is circumstantial evidence my friend. Jesus and his ressurection won't be the exception!

Ressurections are not in the normal course of nature. Extra Ordinary Claims require extra ordinary proof. Same way if someone wrote that a woman turned into a cat, it would require extra ordinary proof. Not just it being said or written by some people - which it has been - many many many times over.

Stop denying you gave a list of attributes. You dont have the exclusive right. We too can list our own and nominate Buddha as God. Do you know how many prophecies surround the Buddhist culture?

You keep contradicting yourself. I should not be surprised afterall you are the one who said "good" does not mean "good". So why should anyone worry about anything you say.

Of all the threads I have seen in 16 years on NL, this one has the most people who amaze with upside down reasoning.
You people will say X and then shout that you didnt say X then repeat that you sre still saying X.

FreeIgboho:
😅Cop out.
Ill kindly let you save face

🤣This is a comedy show. Well, I leave that to the reader. After all, circumstantial evidence 😂 is contrary to your sentiments. 🤣🤞

Gabrielshow24:
😂So intriguing that you can see stubbornness elsewhere and you can also acknowledge "circumstantial evidence"😂.

Bro, your posits are very disjointed! The both of you are perfect for each other🤣. Good luck 🤞.

As for you, its the heaven you believe in that will rescue you from your contradictions.

DeepSight:
Ressurections are not in the normal course on nature. Extra Ordinary Claims require extra ordinary proof. Same way if someone wrote that a woman turned into a cat, it would require extro ordinary proof. Not just it being said or written by some people - which it has been - many many many times over.

Stop denying you gave a list of attributes. You dont have the exclusive right. We too can list our own and nominate Buddha as God. Do you know how many prophecies surround the Buddhist culture?

Your existence is NOT in the normal course of nature. By all logical parameters you shouldn't exist outside my head, yet I believe you exist due to circumstantial evidence. So also black holes, dark matter, quantum mechanics, and a multitude of other things you read about and believe!

So mention one attribute I said God must have. I even said clearly you can't assign any attribute to Gid

FreeIgboho:
Your existence is NOT in the normal course of nature. By all logical parameters you shouldn't exist outside my head, yet I believe you exist due to circumstantial evidence. So also black holes, dark matter, quantum mechanics, and a multitude of other things you read about and believe!

So mention one attribute I said God must have. I even said clearly you can't assign any attribute to Gid

I cant waste my time this morning on you. You even asked me to show you a man with all the events that you listed and that you will agree such a man is God.

What really causes you to do this? Are you alright? Seriously. Its very worrying. You might need help.

DeepSight:
I cant waste my time this morning on you. You even asked me to show you a man with all the events that you listed and that you will agree such a man is God.

What really causes you to do this? Are you alright? Seriously. Its very worrying. You might need help.

Ad hominem attack - sign of having lost an argument!
Again, MENTION ONE ATTRIBUTE I SAID GOD MUST HAVE!!!!