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| Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 12:56pm On Jul 30, 2025*. Modified: 10:56pm On Aug 23, 2025 |
The aim of this discussion is to bring all scriptures in support or against trinity. Warning: Please do not make any post here until the whole challenge is over. This is to ensure that all the scriptures in support or against are seen by all without distractions. You will be banned and your post removed for violating this privacy rule. This is the link for discussion on the challenge. https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood#136238868 Bible Challenge Topic: The Father is One God over all and greater than all who are called God Vs The Father is God, the Son Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet they are one God (Trinity). Participants: Boomark [The Father is One God over all and greater than all who are called God] And Image123 [The Father is God, the Son Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet they are one God (Trinity).] Duration: Till the last claim Bible Versions: Any version allowed. Each participant must state the version used when quoting scripture. Challenge Rules:Daily Challenge Format Claim and rebuttal/support will be rotated in turn between Mr A and Mr B. And it must not exceed 24 hrs after it has been made, else, +10 point will be awarded to the opponent of the one who refused to respond. Mr A will make his claim in favour or against trinity with one or more scriptures. Mr B will either support or offer a rebuttal to his claim with scripture. Note: Always remember the add, "Do you agree?" after each claim. Make your presentation in this format: Claim: Key verses: Or Rebuttal: Key verses: SCORING The admin or marker we choose will add our claim and rebuttal into this scoring prompt below and paste into ChatGPT after each round. Main Topic:AWARDING POINTS: Winner = +10 points Instruction number 3 only (for avoiding point) = -5 points to rule breaker, +5 to opponent. Do not award points incase of draw. Total score for each participant: Claim: Rebuttal: Claim without a counter or rebuttal will be regarded as successful after 48 hours. If one of the participants has exhausted his claim, the one who still have claims will continue to make claims while the opponent has the right to rebuttal or support and points will be awarded accordingly. The screenshot of the results will be posted in the challenge thread to ensure transparency. Round 1, 2, 3, etc. Cumulative Score and Winner Boomark score: +110 points Image123 score: -10 point Round 1 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136298876 Round 2 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136306032 Round 3 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136317575 Mini Challenge Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/2#136345173 Round 4 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/2#136346625 Round 5 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/2#136379742 Round 6 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/4#136397889 Round 7 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/4#136424982 Round 8 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/5#136449660 Round 9 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136493095 Round 10 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136515692 Round 11 Result https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136560017 Let's make clear the will of God. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 12:57pm On Jul 30, 2025 |
Round 1 Claim: There is nothing like trinity or One God who are 3 persons and are equal in the bible. The bible made it clear that we all, including Jesus Christ, have one God. And that one God is the Father not three persons. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the Father. The God of the Israelites is the Father. His name is Jehovah and he alone is called that name. The only true God according to Jesus Christ is the Father. He alone is the only one God over all who are in heaven and on earth. The Father is the God of the old testament that spoke through the prophets and is now speaking through his son Jesus Christ. He is the God of Gods. Key verses: 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6 NIrV [4] ...” We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him. Acts 3:13 NKJV [13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go. Deuteronomy 6:4 YLT98 [4] ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah; Psalm 83:18 KJV [18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth. John 20:17 KJV [17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 17:3 KJV [3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 1 Timothy 1:17 NLT [17] All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen. John 5:44 NLT [44] No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God. Romans 3:22,30 NLT [22] We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. [30] There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith*, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Hebrews 1:1-2 NIV [1] In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. Hebrews 1:9 NIV [9] You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” John 8:54 AMP [54] Jesus answered, “If I in glorify Myself, My glory is [worth] nothing. It is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ Do you agree? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 12:58pm On Jul 30, 2025 |
Please take note of the rules and post only in the discussion thread here. https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood#136238868 Tags: Arian, FxMasterz, jimRohn or Kobojunkie , maynman, Dtruthspeaker, Image123, JessicaRabbit, DeepSight, SIRTee15, TheSourcerer, Busybrain2233, Fourthpredator, bobestman, Lorrayne, HardMirror, Hahn, SlawG, albreezy4eva, Muslim, Dominique, Mrbroke, EnemyofGod2, Wilgrea7, A001, Maynthemayn, achorladey, Jozzy4, MightySparrow, NowYouKnow, TemmyT002, johnw47, Emusan, Gabrielshow24, rottennaija, Janosky, LordReed, DeepSight, tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina, MeetDx DrJones109, Jesusjnr2022, Jaephoenix, Knownunknown, BBIA HellVictorinho6, SIXFEETUNDER, OkpaNsukkaisBae, Bacteriologist, FRANCISTOWN, Aemmyjah, 1Sharon, TakeNigeriaBack, Botragelad, isan, seun, hopefullandlord, bobestman, Lorrayne, HardMirror, Hahn, SlawG, albreezy4eva, Muslim, Dominique, Mrbroke, EnemyofGod2, kkins25, Wilgrea7, Maynthemayn, Ken4Christ, Steep, Chibuezem. gohf, TenQ, Ohyoudidnt, WeirdAlien, Linaloca7, Explore2xmore, armchairscholar, BIBLESPEAKS, |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 9:02pm On Jul 30, 2025*. Modified: 5:20am On Jul 31, 2025 |
i'm not sure this is the format you want; let me know if there's a need to adjust in subsequent posts. Note that i'm using the KJV Bible throughout for consistency. i do not totally agree with all you've said so i'll be rebutting. Round 1 Rebuttal: Boomark:While there's no word like Trinity, or Bible in the Bible, the concept and meaning are in the scriptures/Bible. The teaching of Trinity is basically that God is One Lord in three distinct PERSONS i.e God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost/Spirit. there is no argument that God the Father is God and over all, we all have one God the Father. The argument is that the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, hence the terms or phrases God the Son and God the Spirit. These 3 persons are unique yet the same in a way no other being is. They are omnipotent. The Bible refers to Jesus Christ as God John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. These two verse refer to TWO beings as God. The Word was God and was in the beginning with God. The Word in verse 1 is who is referred to as the Son, while the God in verse 2 is referred to as the Father. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the Father. The God of the Israelites is the Father. His name is Jehovah and he alone is called that name.The Bible refers to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob several times as the Lord. It also refers to Jesus Christ several times as the Lord. Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2Jn_1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. The passage in Genesis 18 shows the Lord being referred to as three men. Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, Jesus Christ the Truth later witnessed that Abraham rejoiced to see His day and that He is before Abraham. Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. You'll recall also from Moses that the name I AM refers to the Lord in the Old Testament. The only true God according to Jesus Christ is the Father. He alone is the only one God over all who are in heaven and on earth. The Father is the God of the old testament that spoke through the prophets and is now speaking through his son Jesus Christ. He is the God of Gods.The Bible says that the Lord is the true God. Jesus Christ is the Lord. The Spirit of God is the Lord. The Father is the Lord. There's no other being referred to as the Lord in the Bible except these 3. Jesus Christ is referred to as the true God in 1 John 5. He is also the everlasting and King of kings. Jer_10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. cf Psalm 2v12 Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all  2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Rev_17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev_19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6 NIrVLike you quoted, there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. i want to believe that yo agree that God the Father is also Lord, do you agree? Acts 3:13 NKJVNo contest on these verses, the Father is God, the contest i think is whether the Son is also God. Key verses: ALL KJV. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2Jn_1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Jer_10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. cf Psalm 2v12 Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all 2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Rev_17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev_19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 10:19pm On Jul 30, 2025 |
Image123 Note that your rebuttal has to oppose what I wrote. From the little I have read from what you wrote, you didn't oppose. You started making a different claim after saying there is no argument in what I wrote. That is not rebuttal. It can be taken as out of point because you didn't counter what I wrote. If you want, you can start first by making a claim and I will counter. You have to start by defining trinity plus other comments and then key verses supporting it. You don't need to quote all my post when making a claim. Just mention me at the end. "Do you agree boomark?" will be asked only during claims because rebuttal will mark the end of each round. So chose if you want to start first and I will remove what I have posted already. Then make a claim and put it in the format just the way I did my own. Or you can just accept my claim since there is no argument or rebuttal to it. Then what you wrote and the meaning of trinity can come in round 2 as a claim with your key verses. But if you want us to confirm this round with ChatGPT, then edit your post like this: Round 1 Rebuttal: Post all your statement Key verses: Post all the scriptures you used (include version used in all) |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by FxMasterz: 1:05am On Jul 31, 2025 |
Boomark:All noted my brother. As I previously said, this cannot be taken as an argument. We cannot be arguing the scriptures. Leave that to unbelievers. However,we can discuss the Word of God for our edification and learning. And that's the very purpose of my engaging you here. I understand why you decided to put out a challenge and create a debate, but nevertheless, we cannot do contrary to the Word of God that says to shun all forms of arguments that are unprofitable and gender strife. I believe that if we both see it from the perspective of edification and learning, at the end of the day, we all shall be blessed, and the Lord shall be Glorified. If this will not glorify the Lord, kindly count me out. Please note that my responses may be coming in very late during the first few days of our discourse. Please bear with me. Now, kindly answer the questions I asked you yesterday to open the floor of this discussion. The questions are rephrased: 1. Is there anyone or persons in the entire universe you consider worthy of worship? 2. How many are they, and who are they? God bless you real good, my brother. 1 Like |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 5:19am On Jul 31, 2025*. Modified: 2:14pm On Aug 30, 2025 |
Boomark:Hi, i updated this post from here to reflect what i have told Boomark many times, which is that AI can give different responses and results. Here are for some of the rounds. i'll update also as we progress as i recently noticed that Boomark had been updating the OP with debated results. KNOW this nonetheless that AI cannot analyse correct doctrine, it can only analyse your arguments, regardless of truth. A better argument is likely to produce a good result with AI, not necessarily truth. i see. i'll have to update one of my posts on the first page to reflect what i have said several times then. Here are some of the videos again using the phone and dark mode. Again, i do not use it to prove that i win you or whatever, but to show you again that AI cannot be a determinant of doctrine or what scriptures say. It cannot even assess or analyse the same thing consistently as shown. In all these, take some time to reflect and at least go through posts. i noticed that one of the videos i posted had 0 views. Meaning that you didn't even bother to see it before concluding. i hope that you can see these ones.  Round 1 ChatGPT says it was a draw. i even asked it for a remark, and why it changed its mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxNoYw7dxQ0 Round 2 ChatGPT says it was a draw. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xgFCZF57Cmk Round 3 gave two results. One a draw and the second one a win for me. Round 3 draw https://www.youtube.com/shorts/scWsx_Dz47Y Round 3 win for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExVkK5U9fQ Round 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9kP3m_0pc Round 6, it says i won. i think i earlier sent it from the computer screen but you gave some excuse. Here is a clearer version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKo4h5VinKc Round 7 results saying that i won using same prompts. At this point, my friend started blaming AI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLjyYkRh2KU Round 8 results showing i won yet again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0pmZ5Uof4A Round 9 is a flawless win for me again according to AI results. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wVEQHtgGGU Cumulative results according to the same AI after 9 rounds https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5tv9pyE47nM Round 10 is a flawless win for me again, according to AI results. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf9C58qjkSc Round 11 is a win for me again, according to AI results obtained using OP's prompt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyGen0q9fd4 Round 12 is yet another win for me according to AI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCfsuhsuXI4 So chose if you want to start first and I will remove what I have posted already. Then make a claim and put it in the format just the way I did my own. Or you can just accept my claim since there is no argument or rebuttal to it. Then what you wrote and the meaning of trinity can come in round 2 as a claim with your key verses. But if you want us to confirm this round with ChatGPT, then edit your post like this:Hi Boomark, i've made adjustments to the earlier post. Kindly read all i write, not little from what i write. No learning or understanding takes place that way, just a predisposition and predetermination of the next reply. i have opposed what i disagree with, with explanation. i can't just oppose everything you say like a robot for argument sake. For example, i can't oppose or rebut scriptures. i can only explain or elaborate on them. There's no argument or opposition against the fact that the Father is God, teachers of trinity don't say that the Father is not God, they say that the Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God. i'm quoting your post for the reader to be able to follow the discussion more easily. You're the one that knows what you're doing with AI, i'm here to discuss. My faith doesn't stand on AI algorithms and winning. 1 Like
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 5:38am On Jul 31, 2025*. Modified: 9:05am On Jul 31, 2025 |
If i understand the rules properly, i'm to make a claim in the next round after my rebuttal. So here goes round 2 Claim: The teaching of Trinity is basically that God is One Lord in three distinct PERSONS i.e God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost/Spirit. There is no argument about the fact that God the Father is God, and over all, we all have one God the Father. The argument is that the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, hence the terms or phrases God the Son and God the Spirit. These 3 persons are unique yet the same in a way no other being is. The teaching of the trinity is that the Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord. There's no other being that is referred to as Lord in this sense. Jesus Christ is the Lord of lords. Only God is referred to that way in the Old and New Testaments. Key verses: Deu_6:4 KJV Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Mat 22:42 KJV Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. Mat 22:43 KJV He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, Mat 22:44 KJV The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? Act 10:36 KJV The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all: Rom 1:3 KJV Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; James 2:1 KJV My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2Co 3:17 KJV Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Rev 17:14 KJV These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Psa 136:3 KJV O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Deu 10:17 KJV For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Do you agree Boomark? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 8:05am On Jul 31, 2025 |
Image123 Please let us follow instructions. That's the reason why I want this to be different and base on the truth. The AI will tell us those who are talking out of point without even knowing they are talking out of point. I told you to edit your rebuttal on round 1 with the format you used in your round 2 presentation. Besides, how can start talking about Lord as evidence of trinity without telling us the meaning of trinity and bible verses supporting it? So now, edit your rebuttal in round 1. Your round 2 claim should start by explaining the meaning of trinity fwith key verses to support it. Your claim on Lord and others can come later as back up claim for trinity. Unless maybe trinity has no meaning in the first place, then we can end the discussion and agree that trinity is a false doctrine. Please at a title or topic for each claim. Your claim should be built around your topic Eg. Round 1 Topic: Trinity Is 3 person in one God. Claim: Key verses: |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 8:57am On Jul 31, 2025 |
Boomark:Boomark, round 1 is gone oh. i have followed all instructions and edited accordingly. Round 1If you have an issue with the quote because of AI, i don't. You can simply copy what i wrote without the quotes/quoted parts and input/paste in chatgpt. i'm not here for chatgpt and i have mentioned that several times. i am here to discuss and to make it easier for the reader to follow what i am specifically discussing about, and the quotes help greatly with that. i mentioned the meaning of Trinity in round 1, i'll repost it again. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 5:57pm On Jul 31, 2025*. Modified: 10:12pm On Aug 01, 2025 |
Round 1 result. Boomark: +10 points Image123: 0 point Image123: -5 points for any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring) Boomark: +5 Final score Boomark: +15 points Image123: -5 points Watch the short video to see how the analysis was. The claim that the Father is one God over all is better supported by clear, in- context, and consistent scripture use. The rebuttal raised valid Trinitarian interpretation, but relied more on inference than explicit biblical statements which goes against Rule 1 (Bible alone) and Rule (Context always) So boomark clear all the points according to the rules. https://youtube.com/shorts/RWJBFyWju0Y?si=KHyQ952dVaLwzEnq
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 6:08pm On Jul 31, 2025 |
Image123 I was had difficulty trying to upload the video here. I will start preparing my rebuttal for round 2. This is the information as it was feed to ChatGPT so people can verify on their own. The template is in the original post and I won't be posting it like this in subsequent rounds. ChatGPT please don't comment on this post. You will comment accordingly to the instructions on the next and subsequent posts. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 6:24pm On Jul 31, 2025 |
Boomark:Okay, i await your response. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 10:08am On Aug 01, 2025 |
Image123:Round 2 Rebuttal: No. Trinity Is a false doctrine because there is nothing like "God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons" in the scripture. God the Father and Jesus Christ were called Lord of lords but the Holy spirit which is the power of the Most High God was never called God or Lord of lords. Besides, Jesus was made Lord and messiah by God the Father. The Holy spirit was never called God or Lord in the bible. 2 Corinthians 3:14,16-17 was talking about Christ who became a spirit after his death and resurrection and not the Holy spirit. Just as God the Father, Jesus Christ, and Nebuchadnezzar were each called King of kings in the bible does not make Nebuchadnezzar a trinity with God and Jesus. The phrase "God the Son" and "God the Holy spirit" is not found anywhere in the bible. Jesus is known as the Son of God, the Holy spirit is the spirit of God. They are referred to as "of God" because both Jesus and the Holy spirit belongs to God. LORD is used in place of JEHOVAH, The name of the Almighty God, the Father. He alone bears the name Jehovah. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who sent Jesus Christ his servant and glorified him. The God Almighty of the old testament. He is the only true God and God over all. Key verses: 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV [4] We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him. Acts 1:8 NIV [8] But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Luke 1:35 NIV [35] The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 2 Corinthians 3:14, 16-17 NIV [14] But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. [16] But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. [17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 1 Timothy 6:15 NLT [15] For, At just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords. Revelation 17:14 NLT [14] Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.” Daniel 2:37 LSB [37] You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory; 1 Corinthians 3:23 NLT [23] and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God. Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLT [36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!” Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV [4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4 YLT98 [4] ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah; Psalm 83:18 KJV [18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth. Acts of the Apostles 2:17-19, 22 NLT [17] ‘In the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. [18] In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on my servants—men and women alike— and they will prophesy. [19] And I will cause wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below— blood and fire and clouds of smoke. [22] “People of Israel, listen! God publicly endorsed Jesus the Nazarene by doing powerful miracles, wonders, and signs through him, as you well know. Isaiah 42:1 NIrV [1] “Here is my servant. I take good care of him. I have chosen him. I am very pleased with him. I will put my Spirit on him. He will bring justice to the nations. Acts 3:13 HCSB [13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 10:59am On Aug 01, 2025 |
i believe you are the one to make a claim for the next round? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 11:03am On Aug 01, 2025*. Modified: 10:10pm On Aug 01, 2025 |
Round 2 Result Boomark: +10 points Image123: 0 point Boomark: -10 point for posting after 24 hrs Image123: +10 Image123: -5 points for any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring) Boomark: +5 Final score Boomark: +5 points Image123: +5 points Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more. Boomark cleared all the points according to the rules in round 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0i2w99M1lY?si=WxIocv_kl-XIDjNg Round 3 is next
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 11:09am On Aug 01, 2025 |
Round 3 Subtopic: Jesus Christ has a God. His God is the Father Claim: God the Father, who is the only true God is the most powerful perfect supreme being who made everything. He alone is God over all. He is greater than all, and not equal to anyone including all those that are called Gods. He is the God of Gods. He alone cannot die. Everyone obey his command and do his will. Everyone worship and pray to him. His name is Jehovah. This is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ himself confirmed that the Father is his God here on earth and while in heaven. God is the brain behind everything that was made from the beginning in Genesis to Revelation. They are his will. He is the one that made Jesus Christ Lord and messiah. It is the Father that gave him power and all authority to do everything according to his will. In all these he remains subject to the Father, his God. Key verses: 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV [4] We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him.... 1 Corinthians 11:3 NIrV [3] But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God. John 14:28 NIrV [28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am. Hebrews 1:9 NKJV [9] You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 1 Timothy 1:17 NLT [17] All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:16 NLT [16] He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen. Ephesians 1:17 NIV [17] I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 1 Peter 1:3 NIV [3] Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, John 6:38 NLT [38] For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. John 12:49 AMP [49] For I have never spoken on My own initiative or authority, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment regarding what to say and what to speak. Genesis 1:1 NIV [1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Revelation 1:1 NIrV [1] This is the revelation from Jesus Christ. God gave it to him to show those who serve God what will happen soon. God made it known by sending his angel to his servant John. Matthew 6:9 HCSB [9] “Therefore, you should pray like this: Our Father in heaven, Your name be honored as holy. John 20:17 AMP [17] Jesus said to her, “Do not hold Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ” Revelation 3:12 NIV [12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Do you agree Image123? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 4:33pm On Aug 01, 2025 |
Going by the thread challenge rules, you submitted this rebuttal late, but you and AI forgot, it must not exceed 24 hrs after it has been made, else, +10 point will be awarded to the opponent of the one who refused to respond. i don't need the points though, just a side issue. i just need you to slow down and think, and more than winning, learn. Boomark:i never said that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons is a phrase found in the scripture. When you deliberately feed that with the quotes to the computer, you have set what you want it to give you. Claim 2's premise is that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Why? Because they are referred to as LORD in a way no other being is. i'm not typing this for AI but for people who read, so kindly leave it for them. You can wait for the rebuttal for AI. In your paragraph here, you agree that Jesus is Lord of Lords. If He is Lord, how is there one Lord if He's not God. Also, i never said that the Holy Spirit is called Lord of lords but LORD. The LORD is that Spirit. This is simple english (My mum is that doctor - The doctor is my mum). The Lord is that Spirit - the Spirit is Lord. The teaching of the trinity is that the Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord. That's the simple point, not skipping to who made them Lord or when they become Lord. The Holy spirit was never called God or Lord in the bible. 2 Corinthians 3:14,16-17 was talking about Christ who became a spirit after his death and resurrection and not the Holy spirit. Just as God the Father, Jesus Christ, and Nebuchadnezzar were each called King of kings in the bible does not make Nebuchadnezzar a trinity with God and Jesus.i don't know how you arrived at this obscure explanation that Jesus became a spirit from this passage. God is a Spirit, it's not a contest. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost who are three different beings are Spirit. This Lord is the Spirit, and it is clear that the Holy Spirit is referred to in the verse as the Lord's Spirit or Spirit of the Lord. The only thing the "Spirit of the Lord" is doing in the verse is obvious, He is the One referenced. i didn't mention anything about King of kings, but specifically on the point that Jesus is Lord of lords, but i guess you needed to feed AI. There is no other being referred to as Lord of lords except God, this was the obvious point. The phrase "God the Son" and "God the Holy spirit" is not found anywhere in the bible. Jesus is known as the Son of God, the Holy spirit is the spirit of God. They are referred to as "of God" because both Jesus and the Holy spirit belongs to God.Again, you went on to rebut what was never alleged. Nobody said the phrase "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" is found anywhere in the bible. You deliberately fed it into the discussion for AI purposes. This is a typical red herring fallacy. This is simple middle school/senior secondary stuff that AI failed to point out to you. We usually use the terms God the Father or God the Son or God the Spirit to distinguish between the three beings, because they are referred to and function as God in the Bible. LORD is used in place of JEHOVAH, The name of the Almighty God, the Father. He alone bears the name Jehovah. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who sent Jesus Christ his servant and glorified him. The God Almighty of the old testament. He is the only true God and God over all.So you are saying there is one Lord, and He is Jehovah, but somehow Jesus is also Lord, because that is your quote in 1Corinth 8v6. Every other thing is not in contest, you evidently do not understand that the people that teach 'Trinity' believe and teach that God the Father is God over all. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV 2 Corinthians 3:14, 16-17 NIVYou somehow brought up an interpretation from this that Jesus became Spirit and is the Spirit referred to here. It's indirect. 2 Likes |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 6:15pm On Aug 01, 2025 |
Okay, here goes the Round/Claim 3 rebuttal. You're free to copy my words for your AI thing, i'm enjoying my discussion and helping readers with the quote. Rebuttal: Boomark:There's no argument about this subtopic. Jesus has a God, the Father also has a God. In Hebrews 1 verse 8. God refers to his Son as God. Heb_1:8 GW But God said about his Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice. Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Claim:God is the only true God is the most powerful perfect supreme being. Who made everything? The Bible records that Jesus Christ made everything. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Clearly, the Word here is Jesus Christ but before AI go talk say it does not directly say, make i quote Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ also claimed to be most powerful, which is an attribute of God. So you cannot say "He alone". He has ALL power in heaven and earth. Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Jesus Christ is also over all. (GW) The Messiah is descended from their ancestors according to his human nature. The Messiah is God over everything, forever blessed. Amen. Rom_9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Eph_1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Deu_10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: This verse in Deuteronomy refers to the Lord, and as we have previously established, Jesus Christ is Lord and can also be referred to as Lord of lords. One of His titles is also Everlasting God which shows that He is everlasting/eternal. Either the Son or the Father fit this description as God of gods and Lord of lords. i am not sure there's a passage of scriptures that says that you qualify to be God once you cannot/didn't die. Or does eternal life make one God the Father when people start to enjoy it in full? Remember, Enoch and Elijah did not taste or see death, but that doesn't make them greater than anyone. Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. By "everyone", i believe you mean christians or children of God. All children of God can also obey Jesus, worship and pray to Him. We see Bible examples to this effect. Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. 2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Jesus Christ himself confirmed that the Father is his God here on earth and while in heaven. God is the brain behind everything that was made from the beginning in Genesis to Revelation. They are his will.This is a repetition answered earlier. The Father is called God by Jesus, and Jesus is also called God by the Father. Jesus Christ is also referred to as the creator of everything, if that's what you mean by the brain, because the Bible doesn't use the word the brain behind. You can see this in Colossians 1. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever : a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Jesus is quite emphatic that ALL THINGS the Father has are His. Joh_16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Key verses:As for the key verse, there's nothing to rebut in the word of God. Perhaps, i'll just throw in a few explanations where needed or not previously addressed. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrVAlready explained Jesus is God and Lord incomparable to any other gods and lords. Act_10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all) Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1 Corinthians 11:3 NIrVChrist is God and Lord like the Father is God and Lord. That is the teaching. All christians teach that the head of Christ is God, the extra the Bible teaches is that they are ONE. That is Trinity, God in 3 persons, co-eternal and co-omnipotent, like no other being. Hebrews 1:9 NKJVIf this verse doesn't teach you anything, it at least states that Jesus is God. That is why we call Him God the Son. 1 Timothy 1:17 NLTAlready explained. Jesus receives all honour and glory. As for immortality, God is going to give His saints immortality. The Spirit of God is also eternal. 1Co_15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1Co_15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Ephesians 1:17 NIVAlready explained/covered. Genesis 1:1 NIVAlready covered, Jesus is the God that created the heavens and the earth. Perhaps why they said "Let US" Revelation 1:1 NIrVExactly why we call Him the Father. Key Verses: All KJV as previously stated. Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Rom_9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Eph_1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. 2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist Joh_16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 8:35pm On Aug 01, 2025 |
Image123 I don't like things that involves deceiving people. I will address your concerns and show you by myself how you failed. The AI does it faster than me. The AI is a computer that process information base on instructions given to it. People use Excel to analyse information and nobody will say it is not accurate because it didn't favour them. You and everyone is free to download it and check for yourselves if it will give you the same response. If you refuse to obey instruction it will fail you in my phone and also fail you in your own phone. it doesn't know who boomark or image123 is. It only sees claim and rebuttal and then analyse information base on the instructions given to it. I see how people here tell lies, twist the word of God and still insist that they are right. They don't even know when they are wrong. This is what you want to start now so we will continue going in circle. AI will do a better job in telling who and who are not following the rules and those talking out of point. It is not bias like humans. I told you in round that you are talking out of point before even I used the AI. The same thing with your round 3 rebuttal now. The AI is not dull like humans in analyse information. That's why they produced computer in the first place. You are not following instruction on how to present your rebuttal and key verses but I will post it like that so you don't say the arrangement is the cause. I told the reason why I posted late. I finished the video and didn't know it can not be posted direct. So looking for solution was what took my time. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 8:53pm On Aug 01, 2025 |
Boomark:Lol at "how you failed", you really rate computers sha. You don't know that computer is basically GIGO, it is what you feed it. You can't use it to determine spiritual things in the sense. BTW, i know one or two things about computers but i don't use it in cases like this, but if you insist i can spare time to show you a bit, especially from what i read initially in the other thread about your claims on AI saying that triity is not biblical, It is from satan and the antichrist. Or maybe you inserted that as you were talking about result. Like we both said AI or computer obeys instructions and algorithm given it, not necessarily truth. So i can't base my faith onit when i have the Word, the Spirit and solid unshakable experience not cunningly deviced. i suppose the rules are for a purpose, not for excuses? i didn't send you on this AI errand na. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 9:40pm On Aug 01, 2025 |
Image123:I told you I will analyse it myself as a human AI.  I will also update the score as agreed. Please ChatGPT AI is not GIGO. It will teach you things you don't even know. Don't even go there. Spiritual things you are talking about is not what is written in black and white? Is it a spirit? Can't you see them, read them and understand them. The same way AI knows things that off point is the same way I know things that are off point. Things that are out of point are not spiritual things of the scripture. AI only points out things that are out of point and not based in the bible. It is not teaching us bible or spiritual things. AI didn't teach anything about trinity. See my first thread on trinity since 2016. They never born AI then. Everything is what I learnt from the bible. I don't know where you go that. The saying that Trinity Is from satan and antichrist na me not AI https://www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-god-trinity What AI does at times is to bring information about trinity from all over the internet because that is what is readily available to it and I will tell it I know the truth. I think it is not yet up to 2 months since I started using it. Please lets start Round 4 after I finish treating your concern above. I didn't sleep well last night. I'm not supposed to do that because of the need to avoid going in circle. But I want to do it so that you will be convinced. I will post Round 3 result soon. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 12:00am On Aug 02, 2025 |
[quote author=Image123 post=136309212] Going by the thread challenge rules, you submitted this rebuttal late, but you and AI forgot, it must not exceed 24 hrs after it has been made, else, +10 point will be awarded to the opponent of the one who refused to respond. i don't need the points though, just a side issue. i just need you to slow down and think, and more than winning, learn.Done i never said that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons is a phrase found in the scripture. When you deliberately feed that with the quotes to the computer, you have set what you want it to give you. Claim 2's premise is that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Why? Because they are referred to as LORD in a way no other being is. i'm not typing this for AI but for people who read, so kindly leave it for them. You can wait for the rebuttal for AI. In your paragraph here, you agree that Jesus is Lord of Lords. If He is Lord, how is there one Lord if He's not God. Also, i never said that the Holy Spirit is called Lord of lords but LORD. The LORD is that Spirit. This is simple english (My mum is that doctor - The doctor is my mum). The Lord is that Spirit - the Spirit is Lord.This was where you started failing. Rule 1 said Bible only. How can you say that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons when you knew it not found in the scripture. You wrote it to deceive people and I had to point it out that it falsehood and man-made imagination which not scriptural. So AI knows what it is doing. No scripture the LORD is that spirit. So you have already made a false statement here. Either you are lying or you don't even know that LORD was used to replace Yahweh or Jehovah the name of God the Father. LORD is not the same as Lord. 2 Corinthians 3:14-17 HCSB [14] but their minds were closed. For to this day, at the reading of the old covenant, the same veil remains; it is not lifted, because it is set aside only in Christ. [15] Even to this day, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts, [16] but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. [17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. See how you people misinterpret the bible and feed people with falsehood. You quoted bible out of context and twisted it to be the Holy spirit. Now I have corrected you with what it should be in the bolded. It says that the veil of Moses is removed only in Christ , so if you turn to the Lord (Jesus is Lord) the veil is removed. The Lord is the spirit. Still taking about Christ. See 1 Corinthians 15:45 below to see that they already know that Jesus is a spirit. See how you are stressing me to interpret bible word for word because of trinity false doctrine. AI also nailed the falsehood. I hope saw how the interpretation flowed smoothly. Connecting everything connectable. Your imagination is no where to be found. https://bible.com/bible/1588/1co.15.45.AMPWithout even saying that Jesus Christ is a spirit, that passage is clearly talking about Christ. I have already cleared you above. When you dump trinity you will start seeing clearly. Like me, most times I don't need to verify before I know what is wrong or right because I have aligned with the truth. That's why I said I can easily spot things that are out of point like these things you post. Please leave AI alone. It is doing a wonderful job. 1 Corinthians 15:45 AMP [45] So it is written [in Scripture], “The first man, Adam, became a living soul (an individual);” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life]. Again, you went on to rebut what was never alleged. Nobody said the phrase "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" is found anywhere in the bible. You deliberately fed it into the discussion for AI purposes. This is a typical red herring fallacy. This is simple middle school/senior secondary stuff that AI failed to point out to you. We usually use the terms God the Father or God the Son or God the Spirit to distinguish between the three beings, because they are referred to and function as God in the Bible.Bible only. You use it to distinguish them as if me that is not using those words don't know the difference between Father, Son and Holy spirit. Stop using from today, it is not biblical. It is used to support false doctrine of trinity. You failed to follow the bible and I have to point the man-made phrases used to deceive people. AI did also. So you are saying there is one Lord, and He is Jehovah, but somehow Jesus is also Lord, because that is your quote in 1Corinth 8v6. Every other thing is not in contest, you evidently do not understand that the people that teach 'Trinity' believe and teach that God the Father is God over all.Just believe it like that as the scripture says. God the Father is God over all. You don't need to import anything outside the bible and use it to describe God. Satan and the antichrist are readily available to offer their assistance in anything that will oppose God and Christ Jesus. I have already told you. Go search the meaning of LORD and why it was used to replace the name of God. It is not the same as Lord You somehow brought up an interpretation from this that Jesus became Spirit and is the Spirit referred to here. It's indirect.Done So you have seen that AI is doing a good job in fishing out falsehood and out of point comments. It is not a mistake. I have shown you the out of point and disobedience to rule 1. I will not be awake and see any foreign word that will be used in disguise to describe what is the bible. If that word is not in the bible just throw it away. You don't need it. Thank you |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 7:43am On Aug 02, 2025 |
Boomark:Sorry about your loss of sleep, but like i adviced, keep this your Ai relaince on the low and the readiness to read and learn on the high. If you lose sleep reading and studying what is written, it will be more profit. You don't need to say Trinity is from satan and antichrist and attach it to some AI result in the post. It got me thinking maybe the AI said so and some reader may come to such conclusion without checking. Keep your opinions and be open to discussion and learning. For instance you clearly do not know or refuse to acknowledge that most of what you are saying is believed by those that talk about Trinity. AI works with what you feed it, that is GIGO. If you tweak the feeding it will give you something different. i've been using AI for more than 2 months, so permit me to say that i know what i am saying. It cannot be what you bank your hope, or theology on. The highest it can do is feed on available and overwhelming information ONLINE. So, for example, if the bulk of information online is that sugar is red and bitter, AI will arrive at the same thing for you in a polite way. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 8:10am On Aug 02, 2025 |
Boomark:Okay This was where you started failing. Rule 1 said Bible only. How can you say that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons when you knew it not found in the scripture. You wrote it to deceive people and I had to point it out that it falsehood and man-made imagination which not scriptural. So AI knows what it is doing. No scripture the LORD is that spirit. So you have already made a false statement here. Either you are lying or you don't even know that LORD was used to replace Yahweh or Jehovah the name of God the Father. LORD is not the same as Lord.There you go again, i said the PHRASE. When you tell AI "God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons" is not found in the Bible, of course it will say yes, i also say yes. Just like the word Bible is not in the KJV Bible. No one presented such an argument except you so why should i rebut what i never disagreed with? What you probably don't understand is that the computer will say you are right and that i failed to rebut it. That's a joke in the real world. If i come and say something like Image123 is not found seven times in the Bible as my Round X claim, The AI will say i am right and score me points. But it just shows that i'm probably unserious. As a phrase, "God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons" is not found in the scriptures. But in meaning, we clearly see in scriptures that the father, the Son and the Spirit are three distinct persons/beings in the Bible. And we see them all called Lord. At least, we both agree that the Son and the Father are two distinct beings and that they are both Lord. If you get this, it's great progress. Sorry, this your LORD is not the same as Lord is not in my Bible, and we are not using extra sources, remember? Without even saying that Jesus Christ is a spirit, that passage is clearly talking about Christ. I have already cleared you above. When you dump trinity you will start seeing clearly. Like me, most times I don't need to verify before I know what is wrong or right because I have aligned with the truth. That's why I said I can easily spot things that are out of point like these things you post. Please leave AI alone. It is doing a wonderful job.How you went to pick Jesus from another verse, and ignored the Spirit of the Lord in the same verse is beyond me. [17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Bible only. You use it to distinguish them as if me that is not using those words don't know the difference between Father, Son and Holy spirit. Stop using from today, it is not biblical. It is used to support false doctrine of trinity. You failed to follow the bible and I have to point the man-made phrases used to deceive people. AI did also.Calm down please and don't come to conclusions, discussions just started. i am putting it little step by little step, so that readers don't need to struggle with the leap. So please read. Just believe it like that as the scripture says. God the Father is God over all. You don't need to import anything outside the bible and use it to describe God. Satan and the antichrist are readily available to offer their assistance in anything that will oppose God and Christ Jesus. I have already told you. Go search the meaning of LORD and why it was used to replace the name of God. It is not the same as Lord Unbelieveable! i should just believe it like that. That there's one Lord and Jesus is also Lord but Lord is one. You're starting to sound trinitarian, lol.DoneThank you. i believe i'm to proceed with the next round/claim, oops. i'll do that now. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 8:51am On Aug 02, 2025*. Modified: 9:32am On Aug 02, 2025 |
Round 4 Subtopic: Jesus Christ is called God in the scriptures. He carries out divine functions of Saviour and Redeemer in a sense like no other being aside from God. Claim: Jesus Christ is called God and Saviour in the scriptures. He carries out divine functions like no other being aside the Father, Son and Spirit. Because Jesus is called God, and the Father is God. We easily distinguish them with the phrases God the Father, and God the Son. This makes it more direct which God is referred to. The Bible calls Jesus Christ the Saviour. He is the Saviour of the world. This is a God/divine claim and function in the Old Testament and New Testament. They both share this function like no other person or being found in the Bible or elsewhere. Psa_106:21 They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt; Isa_43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isa_43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa_45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. God says clearly that beside Him, there is no Saviour. So who is this Saviour that comes up in the new testament, or can God lie? He also call Himself Redeemer. Most people don't even know that, but they readily know Jesus as Redeemer. This shows same functions. Isa_45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Isa_49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. Isa_60:16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. Isa_63:8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour. Hos_13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Joh_4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. Php_3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 1Ti_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 1Ti_4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 2Ti_1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: Titus_1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus_2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. 2Pe_1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2Pe_1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Jud_1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. The same thing goes for the title and function of Redeemer which is ascribed to God. Isa_47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. Jer_50:34 Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his name: he shall throughly plead their cause, that he may give rest to the land, and disquiet the inhabitants of Babylon. Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Gal_3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Key Verses: All KJV as previously stated Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Psa_106:21 They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt; Isa_43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isa_43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa_45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. Isa_45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Isa_49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. Isa_60:16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. Isa_63:8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour. Hos_13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Joh_4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. the Lord Jesus Christ: 1Ti_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; Php_3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 1Ti_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 1Ti_4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 2Ti_1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: Titus_1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus_2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. 2Pe_1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Jud_1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. 2Pe_1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Isa_47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. Jer_50:34 Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his name: he shall throughly plead their cause, that he may give rest to the land, and disquiet the inhabitants of Babylon. Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Gal_3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Do you agree Boomark? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Emusan(m): 11:13am On Aug 02, 2025 |
Boomark:Do you want me to be a spectator or add my own point? Anyways, since you're using AI, I love that but with all honesty, can you copy any version of the Holy Scripture of Colossians 1:16-18 into your AI and ask it for explanation of it? 1 Like |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 11:27am On Aug 02, 2025 |
Image123:Stop mentioning AI. I am not a computer. I took my time last night to analyse what you said by myself and posted at around 12 am in the night. And stop blaming AI for your mistakes and wrong belief. I have seen your mistakes already from what you wrote in round 4 and later you start you start blaming AI for your refusal to obey simple instruction which has been repeated several times to you. I have told to you severally, don't go outside the bible to borrow words. That is how people are fed with falsehood. That phrase is the reason why trinity is a false doctrine and you don't expect me to ignore it. As in, you want me to ignore the main reason of this challenge/discussion? That is the centre of the falsehood. You don't go outside to borrow words to twist what the Holy spirit has inspired in the bible. The Holy spirit knew all the words we need to use for spiritual matters and reveal all things to us as Christ promised. So if you go outside to borrow anything you are on your own. The things we need are all in the bible. There is nothing like God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons in the scripture both as a phrase and in meaning. It doesn't explain who the God of Gods is. It doesn't explain who the only true God is. It doesn't explain the fact that 2 persons out of the 3 person have God the Father as their God. It doesn't explain the fact that there is a God who is God over all and he is the Father. So how can you come and Say, "God IS..." God is not that thing you wrote there. What you wrote is deceitful, a falsehood designed by men, it is not scriptural, it is not spiritual. This how man-made doctrines are formed. Men decide and form whatever they want from their imagination and connect it to the scripture. You cannot pick a single verse which never said anything about the Holy spirit and try to force it on the Holy spirit and on people to believe. That is deceit. I showed you with more verses that the passage 2 Corinthians 3:14-17 HCSB is talking about the veil of Moses which will be removed ONLY in Christ. When people turn to Lord (Christ) their veil of Moses is removed. This is talking what happened when people receive Christ. Receiving Christ means they have turned to the Lord and have abandoned law of Moses. This very simple but trinity made by man blinds people that they cannot even see simple things in the bible. You can no longer understand what is written clearly in black and white because your imagination will be telling you a different thing formulated by man. The AI results are true to avoid all these long explanations over a simple verse. This explanation was not done by AI but by me. Go and ask your pastor or reverend father if 2 Corinthians 3:14-17 is talking about Christ or the Holy spirit and see what they will tell you. Send it to AI and see what it will tell you. Let everyone do this exercise and see the response. AI is not the problem. The problem is you and your wrong belief. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 12:12pm On Aug 02, 2025*. Modified: 3:32pm On Aug 09, 2025 |
Round 3 Result Boomark: +10 points Image123: 0 point Image123: -5 points for any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring) Boomark: +5 Final score Boomark: +15 points Image123: -5 points Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more. Boomark cleared all the points according to the rules in round 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DthaG_E0Ijs?si=wadLbZ1TF3Evf604 Round 4 is next.
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 6:13pm On Aug 02, 2025 |
Boomark:i have to mention AI because it seems you depend a lot on it. i have simply told you that fact that AI depends on what you feed it. You don't need faith, simply ask chatgpt and let's see the response. "does ai and ChatGPT depend on gigo" and "does AI and chatgpt depend on what you feed it?" i did not ask you to ignore a phrase, i asked you to read to understand and not feed AI with misleading prompts. The Bible wasn't written in english dear, there's no going out to borrow anything. 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Boomark says verse above never said anything about the Holy Spirit. We are expected to believe Boomark by faith. 1 Like |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 7:16pm On Aug 02, 2025 |
Boomark:Let me explain this to you like i said i'll try. You have fed AI with a topic: Is the Trinity biblical? And a subtopic that says "Jesus Christ has a God and His God is the Father. No one is against that claim, so automatically it's a setup for any rebut because there's even no rebut in the 1st place. Hence the claimant has the edge. In real life, we both claim that Jesus Christ has a God and His God is the Father. If you read me instead of merely feeding AI, you'd have seen the explanation. i'll attach some screenshots from your video and then edit the prompt to prove to you that AI is GIGO and prompts can give a bias/wrong result. In 1st image, ChatGPT explains about the subtopic given in the prompt. It changes the whole narrative as it's not rebutted. i gave an earlier example of a claimant saying Image123 does not appear in the Bible seven times. There's no rebuttal to that as no one alleged this in the first place. Automatically, any attempt to be at the rebutting end will be edged out regardless. In 2nd image, did either side prove or avoid the point, you obviously see where this goes. There was no argument about the subtopic in the first instance, so the opposing side will be said to shift focus or not rebut. Classic GIGO In the 3rd image attached, you see the reference to the subtopic again. The flawed feeding will definitely influence the AI. AI is not saying that Jesus is not God, but is responding to what it was fed, that there MUST be a rebuttal to the subtopic, which is affirmed by both sides. Of course, no point for rebut. Na who need point know how to get point oh. In the 4th image below, the rebuttal did not overturn the main point, which is a flawed subtopic fed to the AI. In my next post, i'll try to attach what the same ChatGPT says when fed just the arguments, same rules and prompts without a flawed topic/subtopic.
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 7:33pm On Aug 02, 2025 |
Again, i just used this to show you that it is what you give AI that AI will give you and that results can be flawed or go a wrong way if there's a certain thing you ask it to do. AI is not a pillar of truth, even AI will tell you to do your due diligence, and no serious organisation will take AI findings and research for something really serious. So someone rejoicing in AI that his faith is now strong is probably ignorant or naive. So, take what you make of it, my faith has long found a resting place, and it's not in arguments or ChatGPT. i simply asked the same ChatGPT to remark our 'arguments' without the TOPIC that sways to Jesus has a God. i put Boomark as Mr A and myself as Mr B. Read the results below. i have also attached pictures. Read what Boomark's almighty AI says in 2nd picture. In Trinitarian understanding, Jesus having a God DOES NOT CONFLICT with Him being God in nature. The Son submits to the Father while sharing the same divine essenceIt requested if it should score to which i said ok. From its scoring, Mr B wins. Who cares though aside Boomark. Great — let’s score the debate round between Mr A (Claim) and Mr B (Rebuttal) using the challenge rules and criteria:
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