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The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 2:24am On Aug 01, 2025
John 8:44 says
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Please explain why the devil is called a murderer from the beginning. Who did he kill? Please use the scripture in your explanation.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Omoawoke(m): 2:46am On Aug 01, 2025
The only murderer from beginning was the Bible god

So violent and he has serious anger issues
He’s so vindictive and a complete psychopath
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by DeepSight(m): 3:16am On Aug 01, 2025
tctrills:
John 8:44 says
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Please explain why the devil is called a murderer from the beginning. Who did he kill? Please use the scripture in your explanation.
Is it possible that Yahweh is the Devil? His character as described in the Bible would suit that narrative.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by xtianchris(m): 6:05am On Aug 01, 2025
DeepSight:
Is it possible that Yahweh is the Devil? His character as described in the Bible would suit that narrative.
Hahaha.You have an elaborated mindset. You are a very badt guy 💯 😂😂😂😂
16more characters needed...
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by gohf: 6:54am On Aug 01, 2025
tctrills:
John 8:44 says
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Please explain why the devil is called a murderer from the beginning. Who did he kill? Please use the scripture in your explanation.
well Cain was the first murderer and lied about knowing where his brother was, there was sin in him and right he was going to rule or Lord over sin or sin over him. He was cast out from God's presence 🤔
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 9:44am On Aug 01, 2025
gohf:
well Cain was the first murderer and lied about knowing where his brother was, there was sin in him and right he was going to rule or Lord over sin or sin over him. He was cast out from God's presence 🤔
So why is the Devil called the murderer not Cain. That was my question. Is Cain the devil?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by jesusjnr2020(m): 10:07am On Aug 01, 2025
tctrills:
John 8:44 says
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Please explain why the devil is called a murderer from the beginning. Who did he kill? Please use the scripture in your explanation.
The things of the Spirit are difficult for the carnal mind to comprehend...

The devil took man's eternal life in the beginning, hence killed every human both living and unborn with that single strike. That's the death God warned man about if he ate of that forbidden tree, because man was not meant to die at all but live forever. Genesis 2:17

So that's how the devil became a murderer from the beginning. He took man's eternal life.

God bless.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by gohf: 10:38am On Aug 01, 2025
tctrills:
So why is the Devil called the murderer not Cain. That was my question. Is Cain the devil?
it's obvious someone is being called a devil right
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by gohf: 10:40am On Aug 01, 2025
jesusjnr2020:
The things of the Spirit are difficult for the carnal mind to comprehend...

The devil took man's eternal life in the beginning, hence killed every human both living and unborn with that single strike. That's the death God warned man about if he ate of that forbidden tree, because man was not meant to die at all but live forever. Genesis 2:17

So that's how the devil became a murderer from the beginning. He took man's eternal life.

God bless.
if eternal life can be taken how it is then eternal?

Your premise is that man had eternal life which was taken by the devil.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 11:52am On Aug 01, 2025
gohf:
it's obvious someone is being called a devil right
What's your point, sir? I am not such, I get it.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 11:54am On Aug 01, 2025
jesusjnr2020:
The things of the Spirit are difficult for the carnal mind to comprehend...

The devil took man's eternal life in the beginning, hence killed every human both living and unborn with that single strike. That's the death God warned man about if he ate of that forbidden tree, because man was not meant to die at all but live forever. Genesis 2:17

So that's how the devil became a murderer from the beginning. He took man's eternal life.

God bless.
Great answer, but is your answer backed by the scripture, or is it your personal opinion?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 2:01pm On Aug 01, 2025
tctrills:
John 8:44 says
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Please explain why the devil is called a murderer from the beginning. Who did he kill? Please use the scripture in your explanation.
Did you not see him kill Male and Female Adam by setting them up to eat the thing that killeth?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 2:04pm On Aug 01, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not see him kill Male and Female Adam by setting them up to eat the thing that killeth?
Which one is female Adam again?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 2:06pm On Aug 01, 2025
DeepSight:
Is it possible that Yahweh is the Devil? His character as described in the Bible would suit that narrative.
Lol
I am sure you feel very proud of yourself for writing this. Anyways let's allow those that want to answer the question.
Baddest guy
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 2:07pm On Aug 01, 2025
gohf:
if eternal life can be taken how it is then eternal?

Your premise is that man had eternal life which was taken by the devil.
Not a bad question.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 2:13pm On Aug 01, 2025
gohf:
well Cain was the first murderer and lied about knowing where his brother was, there was sin in him and right he was going to rule or Lord over sin or sin over him. He was cast out from God's presence 🤔
You no dey see? Was there kill and death before Adam?

Do you not see that Satan murdered them by pushing them into the thing that killeth?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 2:24pm On Aug 01, 2025
tctrills:
Which one is female Adam again?
Did God call her Adam? No

What name did He call her?

Go and see what Genesis 5:2 says
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 2:41pm On Aug 01, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
Did God call her Adam? No

What name did He call her?

Go and see what Genesis 5:2 says
Are you Adam?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:28pm On Aug 01, 2025
tctrills:
Great answer, but is your answer backed by the scripture, or is it your personal opinion?
It's actually both.. based on divine revelation.

I already cited God's saying to man in the beginning that on the day he eats the forbidden fruit he shall surely die, which means man surely died on that day (in the beginning) after he ate that fruit. Genesis 2:7

However the death man died on that day wasn't physical but spiritual (loss of his eternal life), hence why man continued to live physically beyond that day only to later die to confirm the loss of his eternal life.

So if man died (lost his eternal life) on that day, who killed man in the beginning?

Jesus who called the devil a murderer in the beginning, also said, "the thief comes not but to steal, kill and destroy, but I am come that they may have life.." John 10:10

Therefore the devil is the thief that came to steal, kill and destroy man's (eternal) life in the beginning, but Jesus came to restore what the devil stole, killed, and destroyed in the beginning, which is man eternal life.

God bless.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by tctrills(op): 8:33pm On Aug 01, 2025
jesusjnr2020:
It's actually both.. based on divine revelation.

I already cited God's saying to man in the beginning that on the day he eats the forbidden fruit he shall surely die, which means man surely died on that day (in the beginning) after he ate that fruit. Genesis 2:7

However the death man died on that day wasn't physical but spiritual (loss of his eternal life), hence why man continued to live physically beyond that day only to later die to confirm the loss of his eternal life.

So if man died (lost his eternal life) on that day, who killed man in the beginning?

Jesus who called the devil a murderer in the beginning, also said, "the thief comes not but to steal, kill and destroy, but I am come that they may have life.." John 10:10

Therefore the devil is the thief that came to steal, kill and destroy man's (eternal) life in the beginning, but Jesus came to restore what the devil stole, killed, and destroyed in the beginning, which is man eternal life.

God bless.
Ok, nice answer
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by sonmvayina(m): 9:14pm On Aug 01, 2025
We are all Adam.
Adam means Man.
Eve means Woman.

I really don't know what the author of that gospel meant by that.
The Jews don't have the idea of a devil as part of their theology. It is a Christian construct.

Satan on the other side means "Adversary". Which could be anybody or anything. There is no being called Satan.

In Judaism, God is both responsible for good and evil.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 9:24pm On Aug 01, 2025
jesusjnr2020:
However the death man died on that day wasn't physical but spiritual (loss of his eternal life), hence why man continued to live physically beyond that day only to later die to confirm the loss of his eternal life...
Do you real eyes that you ignoreantly say God lied because of your lack of understanding?

If you had understanding you would have seen that even Methuselah did not live up to a Day
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by chuose2: 9:36pm On Aug 01, 2025
DeepSight:
Is it possible that Yahweh is the Devil? His character as described in the Bible would suit that narrative.
The be candid the Father of lies is allah.

He is the greatest deceiver, which confirms him as satan.

Qur'an 3:54
And they deceived and deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the deceivers.

Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by DeepSight(m): 10:31pm On Aug 01, 2025
chuose2:
The be candid the Father of lies is allah.

He is the greatest deceiver, which confirms him as satan.

Qur'an 3:54
And they deceived and deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the deceivers.

Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
But they are the same. That is the very very bad character of the Abrahamic God.

Talking about lies - Yahweh in action -

2Ch And Micai'ah said, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left;
2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another.
2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?'
2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'
2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."


cc: FreeIgboho / Gabrielshow24 (just a small taste of the character of your God. . . . )
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 11:01pm On Aug 01, 2025
DeepSight:
2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."[/b][/color]

cc: FreeIgboho / Gabrielshow24 (just a small taste of the character of your God. . . . )
How does this by any stretch mean that God Lied?

Did you not say "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD?"

Can't wait for the day when God Says it is time prosecution and sentencing
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by DeepSight(m): 11:05pm On Aug 01, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
How does this by any stretch mean that God Lied?

Did you not say "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD?"
I gave you an entire scripture and you close your eyes deliberately to the uncomfortable part and only see the part that puts the blame on anyone else?

Can't wait for the day when God Says it is time prosecution and sentencing
Is this a threat?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 11:34pm On Aug 01, 2025
DeepSight:
I gave you an entire scripture and you close your eyes deliberately to the uncomfortable part and only see the part that puts the blame on anyone else?
Which part of the scripture is close to something you would call a lie if not the part I zoomed in on?

DeepSight:
Is this a threat?
Me?hreatening you? No.
You certainly are up to task of making it your livinity
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by DeepSight(m):
Dtruthspeaker:
Which part of the scripture is close to something you would call a lie if not the part I zoomed in on?
The way religionists twist themselves into knots and binds to defend the indefensible is amazing. Open your eyes again -

2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.'

Above, a spirit comes before Yahweh and proposes to inspire lies

2Ch 18:21 - (contd) 'And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'

Above, Yahweh endorses the plan to inspire lies

2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."

Above, Yahweh commands and commissions the inspiration and dissemination of lies
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 3:12am On Aug 02, 2025
DeepSight:
The way religionists twist themselves into knots and binds to defend the indefensible is amazing. Open your eyes again -

2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' [/color]

Above, a spirit comes before Yahweh and proposes to inspire lies

2Ch 18:21 - (contd) 'And he said, 'you are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'[

Above, Yahweh endorses the plan to inspire lies

2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."[/color]

Above, Yahweh commands and commissions the inspiration and dissemination of lies
See how you are proving you are the one twisted?

Look at it, your statement in bold shows you confessing that another spirit is the one saying that it is going to lie, yet you twisted it and turned it and said that it is God Who Lied.

Now, your twist is shown because now you have changed it to "God endorses the plan to inspire lies" which clearly means that He did not Lie.

Oh, LORD, how long are you going to take all these insalts and profanities?
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by DeepSight(m): 3:57am On Aug 02, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are proving you are the one twisted?

Look at it, your statement in bold shows you confessing that another spirit is the one saying that it is going to lie, yet you twisted it and turned it and said that it is God Who Lied.

Now, your twist is shown because now you have changed it to "God endorses the plan to inspire lies" which clearly means that He did not Lie.

Oh, LORD, how long are you going to take all these insalts and profanities?
You had better go to the verse yourself in whatver version you prefer and you will see that I am right - your desperation is the only thing making you twist it.

But no problem - how will you twist the last line - ? - - -

2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."

You see, this is the problem. You can run but you cannot hide. Tell me now, is this the "other spirit" speaking here?

You will get tired of running from the obvious, I tell you.
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by Dtruthspeaker: 4:45am On Aug 02, 2025
DeepSight:
You had better go to the verse yourself in whatver version you prefer and you will see that I am right - your desperation is the only thing making you twist it.

But no problem - how will you twist the last line - ? - - -

[color=#990000]2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."[

You see, this is the problem. You can run but you cannot hide. Tell me now, is this the "other spirit" speaking here?

You will get tired of running from the obvious, I tell you.
You are the one doing all the running here as I show your own words prove you are wrong cheesy see how now you have moved from "a spirit comes before Yahweh and proposes to inspire lies" to "the LORD [b]has spoken evil concerning you"

And this is clearly a change of Post. For speaking evil towards a person is exactly what it means to qus...
Re: The Devil Was A Murderer From The Beginning. Please Explain John 8:44 by DeepSight(m): 4:50am On Aug 02, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one doing all the running here as I show your own words prove you are wrong cheesy see how now you have moved from "a spirit comes before Yahweh and proposes to inspire lies" to "the LORD [b]has spoken evil concerning you"

And this is clearly a change of Post. For speaking evil towards a person is exactly what it means to qus...
This is amazing. Why have you now avoided the first part of the same sentence?

What is wrong with you. What kind of thing is this. Are you afraid of your own scripture?

It said "The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets. . . "

Why are you doing everything possible to pretend you can't see it?

Na wah o.
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