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Are you asking me questions? Seems as if your sharp Sharp moniker needs updating. Don't mention me with Nonsense questions.

Southern Unity my foot

Factcheck0001:
nobody needs southern unity.

Let everyone play their games seperately


South west is already in power n south south are eyeing VP in APC in 2031, so if south south supports south west to win in 2027 they too will become number 2 in 2031 n become number 1 in 2039.

It's pure calculations.


Oya tell me, south south is number 3 now, can ADC give them number 2 in 2031?

atiku4President:
Who are the gentlemen that signed the agreement? I want to see their faces. So why did Tinubu and Buhari not allow GEJ finish in 2015?

Hehehehehe

They talk of gentlemen agreement as if Nigerian partisan politics, especially since 2015, is known for having gentlemen within its ranks! You could probably fit the remaining gentlemen in Nigerian politics into a face-me-i-face-you room and still have space to spare! Abeg, when they show you the faces of the ‘gentlemen’ forward to me, as i’d also like to know their identity!

APC should give its 2031 ticket to a Yoruba person from North Central (Kwara or Kogi) or an Igbo person.. let's see what the so called Northern politicians like Ndume, El-rufai etc. will do then. PDP too should zone its 2031 ticket to South, so North will be left with ADC or NNPP.

PBAT must complete 8years just like Buhari did.. anything short of that is a big NO for South especially South West.

There's nothing like South Vs North. It's everyone for himself. After all, some southerners were used to truncate Gejs presidencyand hand over power to the north.

Meanwhile, this is Lagos presidency and has nothing to do with the General South, so Atiku contesting is in order.

ruzell86:
Oga, no one is hijacking or grabbing power here... everyone has a right to contest, and let the best schemer win.
GEJ had only one term to himself as a Southerner, yet was ousted by same Southerners scheming with the North.

To be fair, so long the Easterners haven't been granted the autonomy they seek, no other region has the right to request such.

We are all in this together until we seek the path of truth.

GEJ had one term of 4 years plus 1 year as substantive President , before that, meaning he had been in power a total of five years before the 2015 election yet seeking four more years that would have made it 9 years in total which is even more than the two term.of 8 years all Presidents are constitutionally and normally limited to serving bar the intervention of fate unexpectedly with the death of Yar Adua.

If people like you don't understand what some Southern leaders had to do for peace to reign, appeasing a people who do not even like to be out of power for a minute yet had to endure 5 years without it under GEJ and courtesy of the death of Yar Adua, then it may be you have not reached the requisite level of seeing the truth about Nigerian politics.

I.e you don't understand that, pragmatically, politics of Nigeria is very different to thay of other nations of the world with so much "balancing' required to placate many to include those who parade as democratic leaders by day but can be supporters of murderous actions and restiveness when they feel deprived and cheated.

I even mentioned it to another poster with your line of argument of "Tinubu and Southerners ousted GEJ from power" how you guys can reconcile your allegation with the position of GEJ himself today and even his wife. Is it not obvious they know, even as they cannot admit it publicly, that Tinubu is not the enemy and acted in the greater interest of what is best for the peace and unity of Nigeria?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/why-jonathan-wont-run-against-tinubu-in-2027-patience/%3famp

Wife of ex-President Goodluck Jonathan, Patience, has ruled out the possibility of her husband joining the 2027 presidential race to contest against President Bola Tinubu.

Mrs Jonathan said rather than contest, her family would campaign for Tinubu’s re-election because Tinubu and his wife, Oluremi, supported Jonathan’s 2011 presidential bid.

Nairalandhero:
Atiku Abubakar is the problem of Nigeria.
Presidency is rotated between the South and the North, but Atiku has refused to honor this gentleman agreement between the South and North.

Buhari finished 8 years tenure without any disturbances from the South. The South respected themselves and allowed the North to finish their 8 year tenure.

Atiku should respect himself and step aside until the South finish their own tenure. Atiku has no regard for the South, he is always dragging Presidency with the South, he has no respect for the South, but this time around, the South will teach him a lesson he will never forget in his life.

If Atiku continues to disrespect the South, APC will give it's presidential ticket to someone from the South in 2031 when it will be the turn of the North, if the northern leaders refuse to call Atiku Abubakar to order. Why does Atiku like dragging position with the South? Is Atiku a southerner? I don't understand.

Northern leaders should call Atiku Abubakar to order, he should respect the South the way the southerners respected Buhari's 8 years tenure or the South will give him exactly what he is looking for.

If Atiku continues his disregard against the southerners, APC will field someone from the South in 2031, and there's nothing the North will do about it, because Atiku started it. If the North do anything funny, the President will use Soldiers against them.

The South are not cowards.
Gentleman agreement must be respected.

Your gaslighting will not work, trust me on that, we are wiser than that, there’s nothing like southern turn , please use Yoruba turn under APC arrangement, and has nothing to do with ADC or other political parties, Tinubu would have use the word Southern Nigeria lo kan if he truly mean it’s southern Nigeria, I would advise you to close this thread now, thanks

WizardOfNG:
GEJ had one term of 4 years plus 1 year as substantive President , before that, meaning he had been in power a total of five years before the 2015 election yet seeking four more years that would have made it 9 years in total which is even more than the two term.of 8 years all Presidents are constitutionally and normally limited to serving bar the intervention of fate unexpectedly with the death of Yar Adua.

If people like you don't understand what some Southern leaders had to do for peace to reign, appeasing a people who do not even like to be out of power for a minute yet had to endure 5 years without it under GEJ and courtesy of the death of Yar Adua, then it may be you have not reached the requisite level of seeing the truth about Nigerian politics.

I.e you don't understand that, pragmatically, politics of Nigeria is very different to thay of other nations of the world with so much "balancing' required to placate many to include those who parade as democratic leaders by day but can be supporters of murderous actions and restiveness when they feel deprived and cheated.

I even mentioned it to another poster with your line of argument of "Tinubu and Southerners ousted GEJ from power" how you guys can reconcile your allegation with the position of GEJ himself today and even his wife. Is it not obvious they know, even as they cannot admit it publicly, that Tinubu is not the enemy and acted in the greater interest of what is best for the peace and unity of Nigeria?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/why-jonathan-wont-run-against-tinubu-in-2027-patience/%3famp

Jonathan return the favor by supporting him in 2023, the second term is a pay back time, Tinubu must be a one term president, kiss the truth 😁😁🤣

Gerhards:
Jonathan return the favor by supporting him in 2023, the second term is a pay back time, Tinubu must be a one term president, kiss the truth 😁😁🤣

You should find out who Jonathan and his household are supporting today to note whether or not it is Tinubu giving the Bayelsa Governor 3 to 5 times more allocation than they have ever recieved, even with 13% derivation, and has delivered SSDC (south South development commisions) to exist alongside NDDC while generously committing his government to fund the two development commission for one region alone while others have one only.

You lot don't know leaders think differently to you followers whose mindset are heavily compromised by emotions, ethno-religious bigotry, and prejudiced hatred of others.

State and national Leaders, broadly, support the President making it easier for Nigerians and their own people, at State level, to be better off.

You will need to explain how any Southern leaders will feel that the Presdent to support passionately iis not Tinubu who has proven, beyond words and rhetoric, his dedication to empowering all Nigerian States and region to do far bette.

Tinubu js providing Governors vastly greater amount of money to work with and, has, unprecedented in the history of Nigeria, as I am sure no Northern President will contemplate, created development commision for every region of Nigeria the FG is proving working funds for.

You are likely a political follower. If I am coreect then you'd be more effective at that if you can try to see thing from the perspective of leaders to note how they would think and act.

You must ask yourself why GEJ or any South South leader, after producing the majority of income that supports Nigeria through their crude oil endowment, will reject the Presisent who has empowered their region best and treated them most fairly, even far more than GEJ, of all Preisdents we have had since 1999.

Be fooling yourself SS Governors joining APC and Tinubu are playing politics rather than pledging allegiance to someone they see is, since 1999, their undisputed champion able to fight their fight for them at federal level and get them a better deal for being the goose laying the golden egg for Nigeria.

esnbrutality:
Are you asking me questions? Seems as if your sharp Sharp moniker needs updating. Don't mention me with Nonsense questions.

Southern Unity my foot

the reality is that nobody needs south east inconsequential votes since we already have progressive south south as ally

AMINDA:
We are only after a transparent and democratic primary in the ADC with no-one stepping down for anyone. The party's ticket will not be handed over to anyone on a platter. Whoever is afraid to contest should try their luck elsewhere. There has been no elections in the history of this country where only candidates from a particular region contest. E.g. Sowere contested in 2019 and 2023 same as Kachikwu and several others. No-one asked them to step down for Buhari.

Who is Sowore and Kachikwu in Nigerian politics? Those ones are pretenders, jokers and contents creators. It's height of mischief and classic insincerity to compare any of them to Atiku or Konkwaso. Atiku wanting to contest in 2027 can be likened to Obi or Osibanjo, even Tinubu contesting against Buhari in 2019, when everyone knew it was still the turn of the North.
In 2003, late Adefarati, the former Governor of Ondo State, picked the presidential form of AD, it was his kinsmen that were the first to tell him to stop the joke, that after 8 years of Obasanjo, it was naturally the turn of the Hausa/Fulani Northern Nigeria to produce the next president.
So why is it so difficult for the North to calmly wait for their turn, come 2031?

AMINDA:
Atiku will not step down for anybody. You can go do your worst. You are scared of a party primary but you want to defeat Tinubu at the polls? Did you sign any pact with Atiku or the ADC on power rotation? Were they no Southern candidates on the ballot in 2015 and 2019? Wike was ready to become Atiku's Vice in 2023 despite 8 years of Buhari until he lost out. Don't confuse a political party's internal arrangements with another's. Wike has asked Abure to free the LP for Obi, he's welcome to contest under their banner.

I refrained from responding critically to your earlier attempt to discredit Mr. Peter Obi in a previous thread, but I believe it's now important to address certain points directly.

Let us be clear, the Obidient movement will not serve as a political vehicle for Atiku Abubakar’s presidential ambition. Unlike some paid political operatives, our support base is organic, altruistic, and deeply committed to real change. We are driven by a genuine desire to reclaim our country from those whose primary motivation appears to be the attainment of power for its own sake.

That being said, it would be a mistake to assume that the Obidient movement, and the many well-meaning Nigerians who stand firmly behind Mr. Peter Obi’s vision for a better Nigeria, are unaware of the subtle political maneuvering taking place within the broader coalition. We are observant, engaged, and prepared to adapt our strategies as necessary. We have no intention of repeating the political missteps that befell others in their dealings with Alhaji Atiku Abubakar.

To be clear, the prevailing sentiment among many Nigerians today is that Mr. Atiku Abubakar no longer represents a viable or unifying presidential option. In contrast, Mr. Peter Gregory Obi has demonstrated the intelligence, competence, and widespread popularity necessary to lead the country forward. It would be a disservice to the nation for such a capable leader to play a subordinate role to a candidate who has yet to inspire confidence across regions.

Ultimately, no one is entitled to the presidency. If any region has a compelling claim based on equity, fairness and capacity, it is the South, and we are proud to stand behind a candidate who embodies both the qualifications and electability needed to move Nigeria forward.

Sharpsharp. Hear me and hear me well.

Na we be South South wey know una fully well. You remove Jonathan and you LOVE us. You guys are essentially pathetic.

Factcheck0001:
the reality is that nobody needs south east inconsequential votes since we already have progressive south south as ally

ChiefOloye:
Funny people, Atiku pulled resources, made consultations, visited virtually everyone, including Buhari, didn't go back to his Dubai home after the 2023, (as he usually does after each defeat) he toiled spent to form ADC, but some people want him to hand the party over to them, because pitobi has 2 heads.

You are crying more than the bereaved

ChiefOloye:
Funny people, Atiku pulled resources, made consultations, visited virtually everyone, including Buhari, didn't go back to his Dubai home after the 2023, (as he usually does after each defeat) he toiled spent to form ADC, but some people want him to hand the party over to them, because pitobi has 2 heads.

Firstly, Atiku didn't form ADC, it's been in existence for a while now, he and the others are simply trying to take over and use ADC like Peter did for LP last election, all because PDP are in disarray.
Secondly, Atiku has been contesting back to back for a long time now, he's never stepped down for anyone and I doubt he'd want to step down in 2027.
Thirdly and in furtherance with the second point, if either Peter or Atiku refuses to step down for the other once again in 2027, Tinubu will most likely take the win again.

2027 and 2031 elections have been thrown open to all. Be you from Akwa Ibom or anywhere, you are free to contest. I may also contest so I can add it to my CV as a former presidential candidate.

Bossladyy:
ADC is a Northern agenda Atiku wants to use to snatch power from the South.

The North has no business in Aso Rock until the South Complete their 8 years term.

We Obedience will make sure ADC will never achieve their evil agenda against South. We did it during 2023 general elections, we will still do it again.

ADC is dead on arrival.

God bless Peter Obi,
God bless Tinubu,
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

dix regionalists should take it easy, suffering doesn't reason region.

Stop fighting for politicians nd focus on competence for d masses

ottersberger:
I refrained from responding critically to your earlier attempt to discredit Mr. Peter Obi in a previous thread, but I believe it's now important to address certain points directly.

Let us be clear, the Obidient movement will not serve as a political vehicle for Atiku Abubakar’s presidential ambition. Unlike some paid political operatives, our support base is organic, altruistic, and deeply committed to real change. We are driven by a genuine desire to reclaim our country from those whose primary motivation appears to be the attainment of power for its own sake.

That being said, it would be a mistake to assume that the Obidient movement, and the many well-meaning Nigerians who stand firmly behind Mr. Peter Obi’s vision for a better Nigeria, are unaware of the subtle political maneuvering taking place within the broader coalition. We are observant, engaged, and prepared to adapt our strategies as necessary. We have no intention of repeating the political missteps that befell others in their dealings with Alhaji Atiku Abubakar.

To be clear, the prevailing sentiment among many Nigerians today is that Mr. Atiku Abubakar no longer represents a viable or unifying presidential option. In contrast, Mr. Peter Gregory Obi has demonstrated the intelligence, competence, and widespread popularity necessary to lead the country forward. It would be a disservice to the nation for such a capable leader to play a subordinate role to a candidate who has yet to inspire confidence across regions.

Ultimately, no one is entitled to the presidency. If any region has a compelling claim based on equity, fairness and capacity, it is the South, and we are proud to stand behind a candidate who embodies both the qualifications and electability needed to move Nigeria forward.

Much ado about nothing. As long as Obi is a part of the coalition and he wins the primaries, he will be supported across the board, I assure you but no-one will step down for anyone. Atiku got 6.9m votes in 2023 at a time when Buhari just completed his tenure. If Atiku could pull that number in 2023, I assure that he'll improve upon his numbers in 2027. Tinubu has lost a greater chunk of his 5.6m Northern votes in 2023 and Atiku is the beneficiary of those lost votes. This is not an emotional statement, it's real fact. It's foolhardy for anyone to say that Atiku is unpopular using only their lived realities without seeing the big picture.

The Obidient movement has not shown their capacity in the series of harassment that Obi has been subjected to in Benue, Edo and Lagos. It's all just hot-air. Obi would be rigged out if he contests outside of rhe coalition, that's another fact. But he can go ahead and contest under LP if he doubts that. His numbers will be definitely less than what he got in 2023. Sometimes, stooping to conquer is a political strategy, (Tinubu did that) and Atiku's Northeastern region has also never produced a President, just like the Southeast and he has the advantage of numbers.

I understand you and the person you quoted belong to the same agbadorian camp and just pulling a trick on us. In military, we call it smokescreen attack but involving Obi with your propaganda will backfire explosively, that I assure you.

AMINDA:
Atiku will not step down for anybody. You can go do your worst. You are scared of a party primary but you want to defeat Tinubu at the polls? Did you sign any pact with Atiku or the ADC on power rotation? Were they no Southern candidates on the ballot in 2015 and 2019? Wike was ready to become Atiku's Vice in 2023 despite 8 years of Buhari until he lost out. Don't confuse a political party's internal arrangements with another's. Wike has asked Abure to free the LP for Obi, he's welcome to contest under their banner.

AMINDA:
Much ado about nothing. As long as Obi is a part of the coalition and he wins the primaries, he will be supported across the board, I assure you but no-one will step down for anyone. Atiku got 6.9m votes in 2023 at a time when Buhari just completed his tenure. If Atiku could pull that number in 2023, I assure that he'll improve upon his numbers in 2027. Tinubu has lost a greater chunk of his 5.6m Northern votes in 2023 and Atiku is the beneficiary of those lost votes. This is not an emotional statement, it's real fact. It's foolhardy for anyone to say that Atiku is unpopular using only their lived realities without seeing the big picture.

The Obidient movement has not shown their capacity in the series of harassment that Obi has been subjected to in Benue, Edo and Lagos. It's all just hot-air. Obi would be rigged out if he contests outside of rhe coalition, that's another fact. But he can go ahead and contest under LP if he doubts that. His numbers will be definitely less than what he got in 2023. Sometimes, stooping to conquer is a political strategy, (Tinubu did that) and Atiku's Northeastern region has also never produced a President, just like the Southeast and he has the advantage of numbers.

The foregoing is a repetition of an earlier flawed submission. I assure you that Atiku cannot and will not become Nigeria's president if he continues as he is. As I said before, he does not have the numbers, and he will not use Obidients to disenfranchise others, as he had always done.

He neither has the wind behind his back nor sufficient goodwill beyond scheming to obtain the nomination and shop for a fluid VP candidate to finance the campaign on his behalf, then flee to Dubai when he looses, as he will.

For your information, Muhammadu Buhari took all his remaining votes with him. If he forgot any, Mallam Nasiru El-Rufai is undoubtedly waving them at Peter Obi. The north as it stands today is not an Atiku vote pool, nor is the south.

Atiku may want to stoop to conquer, as you suggested. He should support an Obi/El-Rufai or Obi/Tambuwal ticket, committing to one term from 2031. Synergy is required to retire the incumbent, anything else would be foolishness.

Is that all ?

AMINDA:
Atiku will not step down for anybody. You can go do your worst. You are scared of a party primary but you want to defeat Tinubu at the polls? Did you sign any pact with Atiku or the ADC on power rotation? Were they no Southern candidates on the ballot in 2015 and 2019? Wike was ready to become Atiku's Vice in 2023 despite 8 years of Buhari until he lost out. Don't confuse a political party's internal arrangements with another's. Wike has asked Abure to free the LP for Obi, he's welcome to contest under their banner.

Where you there ?

ChiefOloye:
Funny people, Atiku pulled resources, made consultations, visited virtually everyone, including Buhari, didn't go back to his Dubai home after the 2023, (as he usually does after each defeat) he toiled spent to form ADC, but some people want him to hand the party over to them, because pitobi has 2 heads.

Are you ADC 's member ?

Please face your front.

helinues:
Peter Obi must contest the ADC primary with Atiku. He must not Turkening out this time

Without money influence, Peter Obi can't even defeat ordinary Aregbesola in ADC presidential primary. Who are Peter Obi's political allies that would vote as the delegates in the ADC primary.

Nairalandhero:
Atiku Abubakar is the problem of Nigeria.
Presidency is rotated between the South and the North, but Atiku has refused to honor this gentleman agreement between the South and North.

Buhari finished 8 years tenure without any disturbances from the South. The South respected themselves and allowed the North to finish their 8 year tenure.

Atiku should respect himself and step aside until the South finish their own tenure. Atiku has no regard for the South, he is always dragging Presidency with the South, he has no respect for the South, but this time around, the South will teach him a lesson he will never forget in his life.

If Atiku continues to disrespect the South, APC will give it's presidential ticket to someone from the South in 2031 when it will be the turn of the North, if the northern leaders refuse to call Atiku Abubakar to order. Why does Atiku like dragging position with the South? Is Atiku a southerner? I don't understand.

Northern leaders should call Atiku Abubakar to order, he should respect the South the way the southerners respected Buhari's 8 years tenure or the South will give him exactly what he is looking for.

If Atiku continues his disregard against the southerners, APC will field someone from the South in 2031, and there's nothing the North will do about it, because Atiku started it. If the North do anything funny, the President will use Soldiers against them.

The South are not cowards.
Gentleman agreement must be respected.

Atiku will loose ADC ticket , he will run to SDP or LP to courtesy

esnbrutality:
Sharpsharp. Hear me and hear me well.

Na we be South South wey know una fully well. You remove Jonathan and you LOVE us. You guys are essentially pathetic.

when did ibos become south south?

Una no b south east again?

AMINDA:
Atiku will not step down for anybody. You can go do your worst. You are scared of a party primary but you want to defeat Tinubu at the polls? Did you sign any pact with Atiku or the ADC on power rotation? Were they no Southern candidates on the ballot in 2015 and 2019? Wike was ready to become Atiku's Vice in 2023 despite 8 years of Buhari until he lost out. Don't confuse a political party's internal arrangements with another's. Wike has asked Abure to free the LP for Obi, he's welcome to contest under their banner.

You ought to be smarter than this.


You are already falling for APC gimmicks.


These are the handwork of APC.

But u seem not to be smart enough to decode it, it's unfortunate Tinubu might win again with the way you guys seeking for coalition under APC are going.

The South are not cowards BUT THE SOUTH-WEST ARE.
Gentleman agreement must be respected.

You think you have sense abi?
In 2015, you didn't talk of "The south". You muda4kaz connived with the North to snatch power from GEJ, a southerner.

Now that Bulaba has failed in Governance & fallen out of favour with the North, you are here claiming a united south.

Oga, don't bring tribal sentiments here. The South south, south east and the north will not reject BAT on the ballet in 2027 because of his tribe, we will all reject the fake Accountant because he has failed in Governance.

Nairalandhero:
Atiku Abubakar is the problem of Nigeria.
Presidency is rotated between the South and the North, but Atiku has refused to honor this gentleman agreement between the South and North.

Buhari finished 8 years tenure without any disturbances from the South. The South respected themselves and allowed the North to finish their 8 year tenure.

Atiku should respect himself and step aside until the South finish their own tenure. Atiku has no regard for the South, he is always dragging Presidency with the South, he has no respect for the South, but this time around, the South will teach him a lesson he will never forget in his life.

If Atiku continues to disrespect the South, APC will give it's presidential ticket to someone from the South in 2031 when it will be the turn of the North, if the northern leaders refuse to call Atiku Abubakar to order. Why does Atiku like dragging position with the South? Is Atiku a southerner? I don't understand.

Northern leaders should call Atiku Abubakar to order, he should respect the South the way the southerners respected Buhari's 8 years tenure or the South will give him exactly what he is looking for.

If Atiku continues his disregard against the southerners, APC will field someone from the South in 2031, and there's nothing the North will do about it, because Atiku started it. If the North do anything funny, the President will use Soldiers against them.

The South are not cowards.
Gentleman agreement must be respected.

There is no 'One South'. One South ended in 2015.

Go and pick your cloth where you took your bath..

Bossladyy:
ADC is a Northern agenda Atiku wants to use to snatch power from the South.

The North has no business in Aso Rock until the South Complete their 8 years term.

We Obedience will make sure ADC will never achieve their evil agenda against South. We did it during 2023 general elections, we will still do it again.

ADC is dead on arrival.

God bless Peter Obi,
God bless Tinubu,
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

We Obidients know that you are an Agbadorianist.

Atiku and Obi will be on the ticket, whether you like it not.

That Atiku-Obi 14 million votes that you are afraid of will be used to send your Baba Alagbado back to Iragbiji with his dwindling 8 million votes.

We know your games, and we are not falling for it..

esnbrutality:
Who is the South? The SOuth West is on their own.

South west didn't send anybody,we defeated Atiku and Obi in 2023,come 2027 we will defeat,Atiku,Obi,el rifai,amaeachi and Ojukwu together,please sort your issue within yourself and stop tagging south west.thanks

AMINDA:
Fair enough but stop screaming "Southern turn". Simply be honest and call it what it is. The turn of the Yorubas. You doubt the list because even you are embarrassed by the brazzen tribalism inherent in it but it is real.

We don't shout southern turn in 2023 before we defeated your Atiku,we won't shout it in 2027 before we defeat him again,no one ask customer dada not to contest, Moreover it's a must for him to contest,we will buy form for him and force him to contest in 2027 if he refuse to.

Atiku is perpetually unelectable

AMINDA:
Atiku will not step down for anybody. You can go do your worst. You are scared of a party primary but you want to defeat Tinubu at the polls? Did you sign any pact with Atiku or the ADC on power rotation? Were they no Southern candidates on the ballot in 2015 and 2019? Wike was ready to become Atiku's Vice in 2023 despite 8 years of Buhari until he lost out. Don't confuse a political party's internal arrangements with another's. Wike has asked Abure to free the LP for Obi, he's welcome to contest under their banner.