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FreeIgboho:
Have you ever read John 1:1? See it below

Oga, I have read it. There are many ways in which Christians (and scripture) define Christ. It will be disingenuous, when challenged on the rationality of one description, to run to another description. For heavens sake, he is also called Lord, the Truth, the Way and the Life, the Living Bread, the True Vine, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb, the Messiah, Emmanuel, I can go on and on. So please stop running from pillar to post: the definition under discussion is "the only begotten son."

We are saying that being "begotten" is inconsistent with being uncreated.

Shikena.

DeepSight:
Oga, I have read it. There are many ways in which Christians (and scripture) define Christ. It will be disingenuous, when challeneged on the rationality of one description, to run to another description. For heavens sake, he is also called Lord, the Truth, the Way and the Life, the Living Bread, the True Vine, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb, the Messiah, Emmanuel, I can go on and on. So please stop running from pillar to post: the definition under discussion is "the only begotten son."

We are saying that being "begotten" is inconsistent with being uncreated.

Shikena.

And I'm saying the inconsistency is from man's perspective. How can God begot a son without a wife?? Anything that was with God before creation has to be God - otherwise where did they come from??

FreeIgboho:
All those of yesteryears where are they today??
Jesus has been worshipped interchangeably with Almighty God for 2000+ years!

Here you are being obtuse again. Its getting disgusting.

FreeIgboho:
And I'm saying the inconsistency is from man's perspective. How can God begot a son without a wife?? Anything that was with God before creation has to be God - otherwise where did they come from??

It is said that such things came from God, simple.
And God is not a man that he needs a wife, is he?

FreeIgboho:
What I don't understand about people like DeepSight and Boomark is that THEY HAVE 2000+ YEARS OF HINDSIGHT!!! If they were disputing Christ's divinity durring the 1st century that could be understandable. But now? After all that has happened??

See your challenge here so understand that 2000+ year means nothing or 2000+ years of believing a lie. Do your best o so you won't be shamed with empty 2000 years portfolio.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood/3#136334085

Boomark:
See your challenge here so understand that 2000+ year means nothing or 2000+ years of believing a lie. Do your best o so you won't be shamed with empty 2000 years portfolio.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood/3#136334085

DeepSight:
GBAM!

2000+ years definitely matters.
If some Jewish carpenter with neither money nor conections tells you he is God the Son of God, and tells you how you'd know he's telling the truth is that his words will never pass away. It definitely matters that his words are strong as ever 2000+ years later!

Boomark:
See your challenge here so understand that 2000+ year means nothing or 2000+ years of believing a lie. Do your best o so you won't be shamed with empty 2000 years portfolio.

GBAM!

LordReed:
Here you are being obtuse again. Its getting disgusting.

You were asked a simple question. Where are they today? After you answer the question we'll decide who is being obtuse.

DeepSight:
It is said that such things came from God, simple.
And God is not a man that he needs a wife, is he?

Came from God before creation. Isn't that God? Use your head sometimes

Boomark:
Freeigboho

I want to deal with you and your Nicea belief. So that you know that I dealt with your Nicea belief while still younger than those who formed it for you.

This will show you that the Ai knows what it is doing. We will use it to do the neutral test you are asking for.

I want to ask you a question:
Did Thomas have the Bible and AI before he called Jesus "My God".
How about when John wrote "And the Word was with God and the word was God."
Or when Peter declared "“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Or John in Revelation, where Jesus is declared the "Alpha and Omega," signifying that He is the beginning and the end, the first and the last?

Did they have the Bible and AI for all this?
These were people who knew Jesus personally. Do you think you'll ever know better than them by reading 100th hand account of what they experienced 1st hand??

FreeIgboho:
2000+ years definitely matters.
If some Jewish carpenter with neither money nor conections tells you he is God the Son of God, and tells you how you'd know he's telling the truth is that his words will never pass away. It definitely matters that his words are strong as ever 2000+ years later!

It simply doesnt matter. Maybe you dont understand that there have been other indivdual figures with such a massive impact over millenia. Prophet Muhammad is one. The Buddha is another. And there are still others. Having all of that impact (with attendant prophecies/miracles or none) simply does not suffice to convert anyone into the creator of the universe. At best you can say thats a remarkable man with a remarkable impact on others/ history.

FreeIgboho:
I want to ask you a question:
Did Thomas have the Bible and AI before he called Jesus "My God".

Even disciples of Guru Maharaji and Olumba Olumba Obu say similar things.

How about when John wrote "And the Word was with God and the word was God."

He can write what he likes, but the truth is there is no one man who is the word of God. Neither is it possible to be with someone and be that person at the same time.

Or when Peter declared "“You are the Christ, the son of the living God.”

Yes, Son, not God.

Or John in Revelation, where Jesus is declared the "Alpha and Omega," signifying that He is the beginning and the end, the first and the last?

God has no beginning and no end.

Do you think you'll ever know better than them by reading 100th hand account of what they experienced 1st hand??

It doesnt matter what they wrote or thought. Even if they wrote "Jesus is God" one million times over, it would not make Jesus God. No man is God.

Aside from this, you ony look at verses that align with your notion that Jesus is God. I listed 20 solid verses that say the opposite and you pretend they are invisible. Anyway thats how all religious people treat their scripture. They always ignore what they dont like in it.

FreeIgboho:
Came from God before creation. Isn't that God? Use your head sometimes

Lol, look who is asking anyone to use their head. You?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Listen. The minute you use the bold - "Came from" - its over. It shows that he had a beginning. God has no beginning.

DeepSight:
Lol, look who is asking anyone to use their head. You?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Listen. The minute you use the bold - "Came from" - its over. It shows that he had a beginning. God has no beginning.

This is so ridiculous. The important thing is that it was NOT created! It was always there with God!! You are befuddled by the word "begotten", when you know full well God doesn't "beget" anything

FreeIgboho:
This is so ridiculous. The important thing is that it was NOT created! It was always there with God!! You are befuddled by the word, "begotten", when you know full well [b]God doesn't "beget" anything[/b]

There we go. You are presuming and imposing your own views on scripture. Look at the red bold.

1. You say that God doesnt begt anything - YET:
2. The Bibles describes Jesus as the only begotten son of God.

Both cant be right. Who is right here - you or the Bible?

DeepSight:
There we go. You are presuming and imposing your own views on scripture. Look at the red bold.

1. You say that God doesnt begt anything - YET:
2. The Bibles describes Jesus as the only begotten son of God.

Both cant be right. Who is right here - you or the Bible?

What word would you use to describe a person who is God, has always been with God, but is a separate person?

FreeIgboho:
What word would you use to describe a person who is God, has always been with God, but is a separate person?

Stop trying to force your own presumptions into scripture. Again, you are trying to run away. The contradiction is clear. Deal with it -

1. You say that God doesnt beget anything - YET:
2. The Bibles describes Jesus as the only begotten son of God.

Both cant be right. Who is right here - you or the Bible?

FreeIgboho:
I want to ask you a question:
Did Thomas have the Bible and AI before he called Jesus "My God".
How about when John wrote "And the Word was with God and the word was God."
Or when Peter declared "“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Or John in Revelation, where Jesus is declared the "Alpha and Omega," signifying that He is the beginning and the end, the first and the last?

Did they have the Bible and AI for all this?
These were people who knew Jesus personally. Do you think you'll ever know better than them by reading 100th hand account of what they experienced 1st hand??

Stop asking me questions. The ones I asked you 2000 years ago ago you have not answered it.

See it in the link below and answer it.

https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/60#136324300

Answer it and accept the challenge.

Stop telling us what other people know when you don't know anything by yourself.

See more reply in the screenshot.

DeepSight:
GBAM!

He is already afraid

FreeIgboho:
You were asked a simple question. Where are they today? After you answer the question we'll decide who is being obtuse.

SMH!

DeepSight:
It simply doesnt matter. Maybe you dont understand that there have been other indivdual figures with such a massive impact over millenia. Prophet Muhammad is one. The Buddha is another. And there are still others. Having all of that impact (with attendant prophecies/miracles or none) simply does not suffice to convert anyone into the creator of the universe. At best you can say thats a remarkable man with a remarkable impact on others/ history.

You simply don't reason very well my good brother.
Both Muhammad and Buddha and Olumba and Moses and anyone else you can name in history had an ordinary life till they had an epiphany. NONE was foretold as God conming to visit earth hundreds of years before they were born. NONE!!! NONE was worshipped as new-borns by spiritually insughtful mystics. NONE!!! NONE had a great prophet come just to prepare the way for them and said they were not fit to untie their shoes. NONE!!! NONE did God the Father speak at their baptism. NONE!!! NONE raised anyone from the dead, commanded the wind, and other miracles. NONE!!! NONE forgave sins and said they'd come into people's hearts. NONE! NONE said they'd raise themselves from dead after 3 days. NONE!!!
NONE said their words would last forever. NONE!!!

DeepSight:
Even disciples of Guru Maharaji and Olumba Olumba Obu say similar things.



He can write what he likes, but the truth is there is no one man who is the word of God. Neither is it possible to be with someone and be that person at the same time.



Yes, Son, not God.



God has no beginning and no end.



It doesnt matter what they wrote or thought. Even if they wrote "Jesus is God" one million times over, it would not make Jesus God. No man is God.

Aside from this, you ony look at verses that align with your notion that Jesus is God. I listed 20 solid verses that say the opposite and you pretend they are invisible. Anyway thats how all religious people treat their scripture. They always ignore what they dont like in it.

Which prophets foretold Olumba as God coming? Mention things about Jesus that also happened with all these people.

You are trying to use carnal mind to reason spiritual things. God is beyond your comprehension.

How can God have a son?? Any "son" can only be part of himself. Use your head sometimes.

Jesus has no beginning and no end.

No man is God. Jesus is the exception.

My main evidence that Jesus is God is NOT from biblical verses but from common sense.

Question for you, if he's not God, what is he?

DeepSight:
Stop trying to force your own presumptions into scripture. Again, you are trying to run away. The contradiction is clear. Deal with it -

1. You say that God doesnt beget anything - YET:
2. The Bibles describes Jesus as the only begotten son of God.

Both cant be right. Who is right here - you or the Bible?

You have to first go and find out what "beget" means on that context

FreeIgboho:
Which prophets foretold Olumba as God coming? Mention things about Jesus that also happened with all these people.

You are trying to use carnal mind to reason spiritual things. God is beyond your comprehension.

How can God have a son?? Any "son" can only be part of himself. Use your head sometimes.

Jesus has no beginning and no end.

No man is God. Jesus is the exception.

My main evidence that Jesus is God is NOT from biblical verses but from common sense.

Question for you, if he's not God, what is he?

From the mind that brought us all this, he is an hybrid 😅! Or rather put "Not man, Not God". 😂

Wisdom of the elders indeed.

FreeIgboho:
You have to first go and find out what "beget" means on that context

Well, you didn't enunciate it properly for him. The way you put it created a contradiction because you earlier claimed, "God could not beget" 🤔, which is more in line with our cousins' view. Jesus is the only begotten of the Father as he is the only one through the action of the Holy Spirit to come forth from the womb of the woman without earthly donation on the man's part.

He is eternal and uncreated because several verses emphasize this, he himself said this. If we are to go by simple logic since he predates time then he can not be created🤔, since creation also connotes time.

This is the way to make them see it. Like two sides of a coin but yet all encapsulated by the coin itself. There are always several views but the best is always the complete view. You, yourself, are also guilty of this as you believe your choices are illusory—partial view. Hence He is a universal set that encapsulates all these things and doesn't cause any contradiction whatsoever!

FreeIgboho:
You have to first go and find out what "beget" means on that context

I am not going to play word games with you. Beget is beget. If you cannot resolve the clear contradiction between what you said and what the Bible says, forget it.

FreeIgboho:
This is NOT true at all. Sooner or later they ALL get their comeuppance, publicly or privately, directly or indirectly.


Folks please forgive us but we have an important question. Please, we'll present the scenario then ask the question.

Here's the scenario:
*Various prophets foretold that GOD was coming to visit earth in the OT
* A mighty prophet (so mighty they thought he was Elijah or that prophet promised by God) came and said his entire mission was to prepare the way for that Person and that he was not fit to even untie his shoes.
* A Person then came and met all the conditions of birth and ancestry prophesied and was worshipped at birth by some discerning wise men with great spiritual insight, the Magi.
* He said himself he was the long-awaited God, the Son of God, and did things and conducted himself in a way that supports that.
* He was the only person Israelites ever tried to stone to death for saying he was God
* His closest friends and companions who dealt with him and knew him personally believed he was God
* For 2000+ he has been worshipped as, and interchangeably with, "jealous" God, and far from being punished by "jealous" God, his worshippers have been abundantly blessed and their numbers exploded and always increasing.
*Over those 2000+ years he has been worshipped by some very special people including people with great spiritual insights, various annointed ones, and saints.
*He is ALIVE and ACTIVE in people's lives TODAY and various people have testified to interacting with him including in dreams and near-death experiences.

Our question is:
CAN YOU BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE TODAY STILL DOUBT HE IS DIVINE??!!
They know better than people who knew him PERSONALLY! All based on their understanding of some words someone said that someone said that someone said that he might have said. Same words 300 bishops examined in totality and unanimously concluded he was divine!
If you can even remotely believe that please tell us on what basis you can believe such!


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To answer your question I will go out on a limb and take a wild guess: because man cannot be God and still be man. The two are mutually exclusive!!!!!

Gabrielshow24:
From the mind that brought us all this, he is an hybrid 😅! Or rather put "Not man, Not God". 😂

Wisdom of the elders indeed.

For a Christian, I find it remarkable that you can repeatedly attempt to tell a lie. You know very well you made that statement "hybrid" and not I, and yet you persist. Do you think repeating a lie one million times will make it true?