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mickyeddi:
This is all Aesop's fables. Even the oyinbo that brought this religion to you guys don't practise it anymore. They use their time for innovation and development of their country. We have more churches and mosques than factories in Africa and you wonder why it's the poorest continent.

Churches and mosques full everywhere... but see the country and people therein then compare to others climes.

Michael547:
So you are saying that the suffering in the world today was part of God's plan before he even created humans?

Suffering was never part of God's plan and that's very evident in the way He made everything beautiful for man, at the beginning. But don't forget there'd been an arrogant and proud angel that was sent out of heaven, that became mad seeing how much God loved man...how God made man - a little lower than Himself - Psalm 8:5. That's the hell master who has been hell bent on making man suffer and also join him in hell.

But God as a loving Father was strategic enough, because He is all knowing, to have put in place multiple plans to forestall any damage, while also giving man the chance to "CHOOSE". This is the reason He left the "tree" in Eden. God doesn't like to act like a dictator, even though He created man, he still gave him the chance to freely choose to worship HIM or not, while making alternative plans to rescue him if he chose wrongly. Can you beat that level of love and righteous justice?

Today, He is still giving you that freewill to choose..it's the reason you're still here but question is, WHAT'S YOUR CHOICE?

stancydg:
Suffering was never part of God's plan and that's very evident in the way He made everything beautiful for man, at the beginning. But don't forget there'd been an arrogant and proud angel that was sent out of heaven, that became mad seeing how much God loved man...how God made man - a little lower than Himself - Psalm 8:5. That's the hell master who has been hell bent on making man suffer and also join him in hell.

But God as a loving Father was strategic enough, because He is all knowing, to have put in place multiple plans to forestall any damage, while also giving man the chance to "CHOOSE". This is the reason He left the "tree" in Eden. God doesn't like to act like a dictator, even though He created man, he still gave him the chance to freely choose to worship HIM or not, while making alternative plans to rescue him if he chose wrongly. Can you beat that level of love and righteous justice?

Today, He is still giving you that freewill to choose..it's the reason you're still here but question is, WHAT'S YOUR CHOICE?

If God saw that Adam would eat the fruit before creating him, was it possible for Adam to obey God by not eating the fruit?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted says it all.
It's a PARABLE not to be taken literally as most of you took it!

I told a friend whether he believes in heaven or hell should ensure that he is in the right place at the end of the day when it comes.

.....had I known no longer exists in vocabulary.

Michael547:
Did God tell Adam that he would go to hell fire for rejecting him?

God said he would die. Death is not only physical but spiritual.
Hell is a place for the dead, however anybody that die separated from God would be in torment because he or she is separated from God ( spiritual death).

Michael547:
If God saw that Adam would eat the fruit before creating him, was it possible for Adam to obey God by not eating the fruit?

It was possible for Adam to obey but he disobeyed not the less. God's sees the choice people make but he doesn't make the choice for them instead he provides a way so that even if they make bad choices they could still be redeemed. We all make bad choices nobody is perfect acknowledging this and turning to God makes all the difference but people would not turn to God for help because of pride hence God leaves them to their device but however not without enough warnings through the human conscience and otherwise couple with his patience.

judewrites:
Yes I, I'm very funny 😂🤣🤣🤣

But a day is coming where everyone will be judged by that bible that is called the WORD OF GOD!

You will be judged by the Holy Quran too.

You don't seem to pray fives times solat... no Heaven for you.

What makes your Religion/belief right?

Steep:
God said he would die. Death is not only physical but spiritual.
Hell is a place for the dead, however anybody that die separated from God would be in torment because he or she is separated from God ( spiritual death).

So when God said he would die, did God tell him that he would go to hell fire?

Steep:
It was possible for Adam to obey but he disobeyed not the less. God's sees the choice people make but he doesn't make the choice for them instead he provides a means so that even if they make bad choices they could still be redeemed. We all make bad choices nobody is perfect acknowledging this and turning to God makes all the difference but peop would not turn to God for help because of pride hence God leaves them to their device but however not without enough warnings but through the human conscience and otherwise couple with his patience.

So if I see that you would make a choice today to be a thief before you were even created, can you avoid being a thief today?

Michael547:
So when God said he would die, did God tell him that he would go to hell fire?

yes, God told them they would die. Hell fire is also part of that dieing.

Michael547:
So if I see that you would make a choice today to be a thief before you were even created, can you avoid being a thief today?

yes. Even if the person cannot stop being a thief buy you could help him.

Steep:
yes. Even if the person cannot stop being a thief buy you could help him.

Explain why the person cannot stop being a thief.

Steep:
yes, God told them they would die. Hell fire is also part of that dieing.

So show me where God told Adam about Hell fire?

Dtruthspeaker:
On that day, e go clear na and we go see if you no go dey cry dey chop your fingers.🤣

Lol, you go hope tire.

Kalulu44:
Hahahaha, good question. I have been saying same thing too. Just imagine 112 - 8billion people, that's 104 has existed and gone already. And some people still think those 104 billion people are in one or two places waiting for judgement or the world to end so that they will judge them. It makes laugh and sick at the same time.
I keep telling people, the day you die is the end of your own world. Just try and leave a good name and legacy that you will rmbr for

if the wnd is nothing, what does the value of leaving a good life bring

fuckJones:
There is no place in that bible that said God will destroy sinners with hell fire

You don't know what you are saying!








U better repent asap.

Michelle70:
God who created the ever expanding universe, devise all the known laws of physics, mathematics etc, the paragon of human existence is so interested on this tiny dot planet because of an apple that none of us ate?

Such a God is a psychopath just trying to blame us for his wrath, petty and is not worthy of my worship

You are free to choose whomever you wanna worship but the truth is Jesus Christ came to save mankind and reconcile man back to God. Therefore Jesus Christ is the way , the truth and the life. Nobody goes to the father except true him. Jesus needs you. From your post it seems you are committing a sin against the Holy Spirit by neglecting and denying the gospel. You need to change your mindset towards God through His son Jesus Christ. God is the Almighty. He be whoever He wants to be. You don't blame God but man for man's downfall.

Bkelly2:
You are free to choose whomever you wanna worship but the truth is Jesus Christ came to save mankind and reconcile man back to God. Therefore Jesus Christ is the way , the truth and the life. Nobody goes to the father except true him. Jesus needs you. From your post it seems you are committing a sin against the Holy Spirit by neglecting and denying the gospel. You need to change your mindset towards God through His son Jesus Christ. God is the Almighty. He be whoever He wants to be. You don't blame God but man for man's downfall.

I am not serving a God that accepts slavery.
I will also not serve a God that wants to save me from his own wrath because of an apple someone else ate

SocialJustice:
How many people do you know that God sent to hell? You guys just wake up to tell bull stories.

Any person that dies in sin without the privilege of accepting and confessing that Jesus Christ is the Savior, will go to hell period. These are the people that will go to hell. You will be so shocked to see a Moslem going to heaven only if at the point of death he was privileged to accept and confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of mankind. Accepting Jesus Christ is the surest way to heaven. The thief crucified along with Jesus Christ was a criminal upto the point he confessed Jesus. Guess what? Jesus forgave him there and then He promised him paradise. Making heaven is not rocket science

ReacherSaidNoth:
So two imaginary people ate a magic fruit given to them by a talking snake and then their daddy got angry and made an everlasting torture chamber?

You people are beyond silly.

That was not a fruit literally.

Michelle70:
I am not serving a God that accepts slavery.
I will also not serve a God that wants to save me from his own wrath because of an apple someone else ate

😂....You are missing the point. Jesus Christ has already redeemed us from that apple someone else ate. We are no longer in that era. We are in the era of Grace. God's Righteousness At Christ Expense. Your focus should be on Jesus Christ who is God. He is the way ; the only way and truth. Jesus Christ is the second Adam that came to save us all. And He did by dying on the Cross. He went to Hades, defeated death which is Satan and the third day He rose in His glorious form, went to paradise took a long with him the saints, came back to his tomb, entered His earthly body, folded the napkin and placed as it should be according to Jewish trads and appeared to his disciples while the saint also appeared everywhere. This singular action by Christ saved mankind from eternal destruction. However, for those who do not believe in him or are too stubborn to do so without repentance, will go to hell when they die especially without repentance at the point of death. So my good friend accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. In the beginning God gave man the ability, the free will to make choices. Man as at then made a wrong choice which Jesus Christ have corrected.

Michael547:
So show me where God told Adam about Hell fire?

What exactly then is your point? God didn't tell Adam, he was going to flood the earth, God didn't tell Adam one of his descendants will be enslaved by another one of his descendants. 🤔 God didn't tell Adam about Jesus, neither the redemption plan.
Basically, what's your point? What do you aim to achieve from such poorly constructed aristotelian inquiry? Obviously, Michael should have known better!

Also what's going on with your brother, Max? Is everything okay?

Tales by moonlight. There is no hellfire anywhere. We only have Hellfire missiles in the US

OBAJESU:
You don't know what you are saying!








U better repent asap.

show me the place please

Damina would disagree, He use to tell he's gullible followers that HELL IS NOT TRUE, He told them one save always saved, He told them they can not sin again. He told them they will go to paradise after death, Damina has put many in Hell more than Satan himself.

3kay945:


Did you put up this by yourself or copied somewhere?

Anyway, they are coming for you.

I wrote it myself, and leisurely so.

I am already used to them coming for me and I care less. I respond to those who understand that questions demand answers; and ignore those who lack understanding.

Thank you for acknowledging the worth of the write up.

offionginyang2:
God said if they ate from the tree that they will die.The serpent said naah you won't die.
DID THEY DIE? Yes, they did. So who lied?

He said that they will return to the dust cos out of it they were taken. He did not say they will go to hell

Did they have other trees to eat from the garden? Yes.

Does God have the right to set laws? Yes.

Were the laws designed to make Adam and Eve fail? No. Remember, they had numerous options.

If God does not have the right to set laws, why did your parents set boundaries for you? LOVE.

Inherit righteousness from Noah? Was he perfect? No.

Righteousness is not perfection.

Jesus is the son of God. He is not God. He even said it.

The devil has an appointed time for his destruction. What makes you feel he cannot be destroyed by God?

If God had destroyed the devil earlier, you might have asked whether God was hiding smtn. Hence the time has.

No human can defeat the devil in a fight, but we can flee from him with God's help.

If you want to discredit the bible at least go through it and come up with points that can be found in the bible.

Some people's Christianity is actually based not on what the Bible says but what they were told.


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I'll try as much as I can to respond to each part of your comment.

God said if they ate from the tree that they will die.The serpent said naah you won't die.
DID THEY DIE? Yes, they did. So who lied?

Adam and Eve did not die. Their eyes were open after they ate the fruit. Genesis 3:6-7.
So the serpent was right and god lied.
If you are a thinker, you'll also perceive that god created them to be stupid (without understanding or reason of their own) so they'll keep accepting whatever he tells them (slavery mentality). But the fruit opened their eyes and gave them the knowledge of good and evil (spirit of discernment).

Did they have other trees to eat from the garden? Yes.

They truly had other trees to eat of, so why did god make the tree whose fruits will kill them?
It's like a father providing all the food and then putting a bottle of 5-alive-looking poisonous liquid in the midst of the food and telling the children not drink it.
Does that really sound to you like a loving/reasonable father.
If the tree had its purpose but not to be eaten by Adam and Eve, couldn't god had planted the tree far away from them, maybe at a very far edge of the garden, or not plant it at all and command it to appear whenever he wanted to use it?
Think about it.

Does God have the right to set laws? Yes.

Were the laws designed to make Adam and Eve fail? No. Remember, they had numerous options.

If God does not have the right to set laws, why did your parents set boundaries for you? LOVE.

God had/has the right to make laws. But...
Laws are made for people who know how not to break them; people who have the knowledge of what is right and wrong.
That is why in law, there is a verdict called "not guilty by reason of insanity" or "guilty but mentally ill" because a mad man is presumed not to have the knowledge of good and evil.
Adam and Eve didn't know good from evil until they ate the fruits of the tree. They were like infants.
Why would a god make laws for people who can not distinguish right from wrong (good from evil)?
Think about it.

Inherit righteousness from Noah? Was he perfect? No.

Righteousness is not perfection.

I know Noah wasn't perfect, but whatever good he carried forward from the days of the flood didn't get to us. But the one time offence of Adam and Eve got to us.
Think about it.

Jesus is the son of God. He is not God. He even said it.

Even christians are confused by the bible about this. Let's take a look...
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
John 20:28 - Thomas responded to him, ‘My Lord and my God! Jesus did not rebuke Thomas for calling him god.

I will not go very deeply into the topic of whether jesus is god or not because christians are already fighting over it. I'll let them settle themselves.

The devil has an appointed time for his destruction. What makes you feel he cannot be destroyed by God?

Now you make me laugh.
I know the devil can not be destroyed by god because god would have destroyed him if he has the power to. Which loving father will allow evil to dwell with his lovely children all the days of their lives? Read Matthew 7:9-11 and Luke 11:11-13. and understand what "a loving father" does.
Now, what makes you feel god can destroy the devil?

If God had destroyed the devil earlier, you might have asked whether God was hiding smtn. Hence the time has.

No human can defeat the devil in a fight, but we can flee from him with God's help.

If god had destroyed the devil, everyone would have been happier.
So we can not defeat the devil but keep running from him. Where would we run to? For how long? So the entire of our lives would be used to flee from the devil?
How nice!!

If you want to discredit the bible at least go through it and come up with points that can be found in the bible.

I made a few bible references in this response. If I bring up the fallacies and contradictions in your bible, you may lose the little faith you still have in your god. I'll let you figure it out yourself.

Bkelly2:
😂....You are missing the point. Jesus Christ has already redeemed us from that apple someone else ate. We are no longer in that era. We are in the era of Grace. God's Righteousness At Christ Expense. Your focus should be on Jesus Christ who is God. He is the way ; the only way and truth. Jesus Christ is the second Adam that came to save us all. And He did by dying on the Cross. He went to Hades, defeated death which is Satan and the third day He rose in His glorious form, went to paradise took a long with him the saints, came back to his tomb, entered His earthly body, folded the napkin and placed as it should be according to Jewish trads and appeared to his disciples while the saint also appeared everywhere. This singular action by Christ saved mankind from eternal destruction. However, for those who do not believe in him or are too stubborn to do so without repentance, will go to hell when they die especially without repentance at the point of death. So my good friend accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. In the beginning God gave man the ability, the free will to make choices. Man as at then made a wrong choice which Jesus Christ have corrected.

Na wetin deh tire me about christians.
God planted a fruit in thesame place he put man.
The man ate the fruit and now he is blaming me that he will forgive me for something he did

Bkelly2:
Any person that dies in sin without the privilege of accepting and confessing that Jesus Christ is the Savior, will go to hell period. These are the people that will go to hell. You will be so shocked to see a Moslem going to heaven only if at the point of death he was privileged to accept and confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of mankind. Accepting Jesus Christ is the surest way to heaven. The thief crucified along with Jesus Christ was a criminal upto the point he confessed Jesus. Guess what? Jesus forgave him there and then He promised him paradise. Making heaven is not rocket science

Stories 🥱🥱🥱

kingxsamz:
Lol, you go hope tire.

You do. Already wish tire.

bixton:
I told a friend whether he believes in heaven or hell should ensure that he is in the right place at the end of the day when it comes.
.....had I known no longer exists in vocabulary.

Both heaven and hell exist but they meant totally different things from what most religionists think.
Heaven is the above of God and His spirit sons (angels) so flesh and blood can't go there which means it's not a place where humans can live those who are going there must be transformed into spirit beings.
Hell simply means the land of the dead where there is no activity.
It's as simple as that!

SocialJustice:
Stories 🥱🥱🥱

😂....you are funny. So all these na stories to you.. Alright o.