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DeepSight:
Men are not born of virgins, neither did they create the universe, they are created beings.

You are almost there, just a slight use of grey matter and you will understand.

Gabrielshow24:
You are almost there, just a slight use of grey matter and you will understand.

Joker. Enjoy yourself. No one has the time for the meaningless incongruities you throw up as logic. For you, a person will say "a square circle does not exist" and you will spend the next four weeks braying that by that statement, he admitted that square circles exist.

You people are insufferable and the toll taken upon you by colonialism is unspeakable.

DeepSight:
Joker. Enjoy yourself. No one has the time for the meaningless incongruities you throw up as logic. For you, a person will say "a square circle does not exist" and you will spend the next four weeks braying that by that statement, he admitted that square circles exist

You people are insufferable and the toll taken upon you by colonialism is unspeakable.

Almost, dear. Just a little more effort. Relate that analogy to Jesus! 🤨

You have unwittingly admitted the need for his divine nature. Nothing more, nothing less. If your logic can't see that then no one can help you!

DeepSight:
Enjoy.

Enjoy what?
My good brother this is NOT just some academic discussion.
Don't throw away free Salvation because you're trying to reason something that is waaay beyond your comprehension.
You don't know what this is. It could very well be a dream or some sort of a hoax. Someone who knows was foretold and has come and told you how to be saved. What do you think Jesus or anyone else gains by telling you Christ is the only way to salvation?

Let me make this clear for the so-called sheeple: What our 'elder' is doing is akin to a situation where an element, J, possesses both sets A and B. Yet he repeatedly asks, 'Why doesn’t A have this or that?'—completely ignoring the fact that every answer he seeks is already in B. In doing so, he has inadvertently made the case for why set J must necessarily include both A and B— without contradiction.

sonmvayina:
Let us assume that Jesus actually existed.

How is he different from you?
When man is Body made of dust + God's spirit or breath(which is same image and likeness as God) and the body is same image and likeness as earth.

You don't have to assume anything. Jesus is ALIVE and ACTIVE in people's lives TODAY!!
You think all the saints and martyrs died because of someone that didn't exist? Or you think the martyrs didn't exist also? Or their persecution akso didn't exist. Or you think you know better than them? You that is 2000+ years removed??

FreeIgboho:
Enjoy what?
My good brother this is NOT just some academic discussion.
Don't throw away free Salvation because you're trying to reason something that is waaay beyond your comprehension.
You don't know what this is. It could very well be a dream or some sort of a hoax. Someone who knows was foretold and has come and told you how to be saved. What do you think Jesus or anyone else gains by telling you Christ is the only way to salvation?

I am not interested. I will only pursue discussions with either of you when I see a clear willingness to abandon absurdites and the habit of compulsive illogic. Other than that, enjoy yourself. And dont worry about my soul, it is not yours.

Gabrielshow24:
Almost, dear. Just a little more effort. Relate that analogy to Jesus! 🤨

You have unwittingly admitted the need for his divine nature. Nothing more, nothing less. If your logic can't see that then no one can help you!

I am not interested. I will only pursue discussions with either of you when I see a clear willingness to abandon absurdites and the habit of compulsive illogic - and in your case - lies. Other than that, enjoy yourself.

DeepSight:
Why dont you attempt this question yourself.
Because the truth is simple: you want to declare that God can be a man.
So, following your own question: how do you also know that?

I never claimed to know what God can do or not do. I only use my common sense in addition to what's presented in the Bible. All those people over thousands of years couldn't have been fooled or lying!

DeepSight:
I am not interested. I will only pursue discussions with either of you when I see a clear willingness to abandon absurdites and the habit of compulsive illogic. Other than that, enjoy yourself. And dont worry about my soul, it is not yours.

You are NOT interested in Salvation? Mark today's date as the day you said that.
Have you ever considered that NO ONE gains anything by telling you the only way to Salvation is Jesus?
Or just consider the Spirit, Jesus. What a beautiful Spirit indeed. Say what teachings of his you disagree with

DeepSight:
I am not interested. I will only pursue discussions with either of you when I see a clear willingness to abandon absurdites and the habit of compulsive illogic - and in your case - lies. Other than that, enjoy yourself.

You claimed you were heading into 'infinites,' yet you couldn’t even grasp basic set theory. 😅 Maybe it's time to go back to school.

Let me remind you: just as you failed to disprove the set of choices that are yours, you’ve inadvertently affirmed the Godship of Jesus. 😅 That’s your logic, not mine—your questions, not mine. I didn’t ask you to raise them; you chose to. 😂

So until then, take responsibility for your own reasoning. And when you're truly ready to dive into 'infinites,' let me know. Keep consoling yourself if you must—your time will come. Sixteen years on the board, still stuck in the mud. 👌

Gabrielshow24:
You claimed you were heading into 'infinites,' yet you couldn’t even grasp basic set theory. 😅 Maybe it's time to go back to school.

Let me remind you: just as you failed to disprove the set of choices that are yours, you’ve inadvertently affirmed the Godship of Jesus. 😅 That’s your logic, not mine—your questions, not mine. I didn’t ask you to raise them; you chose to. 😂

So until then, take responsibility for your own reasoning. And when you're truly ready to dive into 'infinites,' let me know. Keep consoling yourself if you must—your time will come. Sixteen years on the board, still stuck in the mud. 👌

What part of "I am not interested" dont you understand? ? ? ?

FreeIgboho:
You are NOT interested in Salvation? Mark today's date as the day you said that.
Have you ever considered that NO ONE gains anything by telling you the only way to Salvation is Jesus?
Or just consider the Spirit, Jesus. What a beautiful Spirit indeed. Say what teachings of his you disagree with

The fate of my soul is none of your concern.

DeepSight:
The fate of my soul is none of your concern.

Never said it was.
But have you ever considered, WHAT IF HE IS RIGHT?? After all you don't have the foggiest idea what this our "reality" is. You just happen to find yourself here and started using the extremely small and limited brain you were given to decide what God can do and what ttributes God must have!

DeepSight:
The fate of my soul is none of your concern.

By the way I asked you a question you never answered:
If Jesus is not God what else can he be?

FreeIgboho:
By the way I asked you a question you never answered:
If Jesus is not God what else can he be?

A man. An envoy of the Light.

DeepSight:
A man. An envoy of the Light.

A man who was in existence before creation?

Gabrielshow24:
Well, you have said well but you have failed to take into consideration the hypostasis or union of different sets. In a universal set of shapes, both circles and squares can coexist! —They don't contradict.

What has hypostasis to do with the fact you can't be perfect as God and at same time imperfect as man?

CanadaOrBust:
What has hypostasis to do with the fact you can't be perfect as God and at same time imperfect as man?

🤣 A lovely remark, by the way—but it doesn’t help your case. As I’ve already explained to your colleagues, we’re dealing with a hypostatic union—emphasis on union.

Christ encapsulates both sets of attributes, and thus, He can manifest whichever He chooses, at will.

Set theory illustrates this beautifully: even seemingly contradictory sets can coexist within a higher-order structure without collapsing into logical inconsistency. I suppose I’ll have to do the job the mathematician should’ve done. 🤣

But back to the matter at hand, without further diversion👀. The person of Jesus contains within Himself two distinct, even seemingly contradictory, sets. This model isn’t intended to replace doctrine, but rather to offer a mathematical abstraction—a logical and rational framework to help the scientifically inclined grasp the paradox of the Infinite united with the finite. It’s an aid to understanding, not a substitute for theology or metaphysics.

Gabrielshow24:
🤣 A lovely remark, by the way—but it doesn’t help your case. As I’ve already explained to your colleagues, we’re dealing with a hypostatic union—emphasis on union.

Christ encapsulates both sets of attributes, and thus, He can manifest whichever He chooses, at will.

Set theory illustrates this beautifully: even seemingly contradictory sets can coexist within a higher-order structure without collapsing into logical inconsistency. I suppose I’ll have to do the job the mathematician should’ve done. 🤣

But back to the matter at hand, without further diversion👀. The person of Jesus contains within Himself two distinct, even seemingly contradictory, sets. This model isn’t intended to replace doctrine, but rather to offer a mathematical abstraction—a logical and rational framework to help the scientifically inclined grasp the paradox of the Infinite united with the finite. It’s an aid to understanding, not a substitute for theology or metaphysics.

Thanks for the compliment, but you just said exactly nothing. In simple English, how can one person be perfect and imperfect at same time?

CanadaOrBust:
Thanks for the compliment, but you just said exactly nothing. In simple English, how can one person be perfect and imperfect at same time?

Probably, you should educate yourself about set theory—That's why my posits flew over your head😮‍💨, someone more STEM inclined would relate!

Now to answer your redundant question, by using sets such contradictions are eliminated—the major reason why it's called a union in the first place🤨.

Gabrielshow24:
Probably, you should educate yourself about set theory—That's why my posits flew over your head😮‍💨, someone more STEM inclined would relate!

Now to answer your redundant question, by using sets such contradictions are eliminated—the major reason why it's called a union in the first place🤨.

You have said exactly nothing again.
Notice the inclusion of TIME in my question. You seem to miss that.
HOW CAN ONE PERSON EXHIBIT BOTH AT SAME MOMENT?

FreeIgboho:
A man who was in existence before creation?

That is another incongruous and impossible statement. Men are created. Ergo, no man could be in existence before creation.

CanadaOrBust:
Thanks for the compliment, but you just said exactly nothing. In simple English, how can one person be perfect and imperfect at same time?

I asked him this exact question along with several similar other questions. The chap simply ran away.

Be careful of him because at some point you may say Good morning and he will tell you that you have admitted it is evening.

He will then proceed to spend the next one month dancing about your admission that it is evening.

I am not exaggerating.

DeepSight:
I asked him this exact question along with several similar other questions. The chap simply ran away.

Be careful of him because at some point you may say Good morning and he will tell you that you have admitted it is evening.

He will then proceed to spend the next one month dancing about your admission that it is evening.

I am not exaggerating.

I think I've shut him up with my last post

CanadaOrBust:
Thanks for the compliment, but you just said exactly nothing. In simple English, how can one person be perfect and imperfect at same time?

My dear brother, please have a look at exactly what I said to that comic here -

DeepSight:
Hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Fear!

You know the truth! You have already seen ahead! Impossible questions to answer!

The so called taking of flesh cannot answer anything. It would not cease to make him THE CREATOR, eternal, self existent, perfect, incorruptible, and born by the Holy Ghost - none of which NO MAN can ever be.

For the record (not for you, for future readers), man cannot be -

Both eternal and not eternal.

Both created and uncreated.

Both self existent and not self existent.

Both perfect and imperfect.

Both corrupt and incorrupt.

Both capable of sin and incapable of sin.

And both natural born and born by the Holy Spirit.

You know these are inescapable contradictions and thus Jesus can never be full man and fully God.

OFF with you now!

Next time dont prance around with what you dont know.

He ignored and ran away.
So don't waste your energy.

DeepSight:
My dear brother, please have a look at exactly what I said to that comic here -



He ignored and ran away.
So don't waste your energy.

I think he has finally received sense.
Imagine - trying to twist the clearly impossible to possible in broad daylight

DeepSight:
That is another incongruous and impossible statement. Men are created. Ergo, no man could be in existence before creation.

These things are called MYSTERIES for a reason.
Study my screenshot below carefully then come ask me any questions you wish

CanadaOrBust:
You have said exactly nothing again.
Notice the inclusion of TIME in my question. You seem to miss that.
HOW CAN ONE PERSON EXHIBIT BOTH AT SAME MOMENT?

Also you have refuted nothing😮‍💨. It's included within the tuple of such a unifying set🤨. How's this not obvious?

FreeIgboho:
These things are called MYSTERIES for a reason.
Study my screenshot below carefully then come ask me any quesyion questions you wish

Nothing new there. It states what most Christians believe.

I am not a Christian. And beliefs like this are part of the reason.