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This topic is controversial and has been a subject of many debates in many forums and discussion groups. I have many muslims friends who are very dear to me. They exemplify the qualities of a good neighbor but anytime you bring up the issue of their God being different from the God of the Bible, they point that you're dead wrong and that we (muslims and Christians worship the same God.
What do you say to this? I would that someone with Islamic background prove this claim. I have my opinion but I wanna read yours first.
So do the Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

Hell No.

They're not the same and will not be the same.

parkervero:
Hell No.

They're not the same and will not be the same.

Your ignorance is out of this world. Arabian Christians call God Allah. You can use Google or Chatgpt to find out

parkervero:
Hell No.

They're not the same and will not be the same.

Bro u are so ignorant
The diff na language
Jus for instance u asking if chineke is same as God

AngelahFlo:
So do the Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

NO!

AngelahFlo:
➜This topic is controversial and has been a subject of many debates in many forums and discussion groups.
➜ I have many muslims friends who are very dear to me. They exemplify the qualities of a good neighbor but anytime you bring up the issue of their God being different from the God of the Bible, they point that you're dead wrong and that we (muslims and Christians worship the same God.
➜ What do you say to this? I would that someone with Islamic background prove this claim. I have my opinion but I wanna read yours first.
➜ So do the Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

There is nothing controversial about the topic.

2. Your muslim friends, like every religious individual out there, can be wrong, and in this, they are. There is no comparison to be made between the Allah of the Muslims and the YHWH of the Israelites. From the beginning of the Bible to the end, there are no parallels to be drawn between the two different entities.

3. There are no proofs to be found, just baseless conjectures. If we are to assume Allah is YHWH, then Allah must also be Sango, Ogun, Zeus, and every deity that has ever existed. But Muslims will never tell you that Allah is Zeus; therefore, Allah cannot be YHWH.

4. Christians do not worship YHWH; they instead worship images of YHWH, of which they have over 46,000 different such images.

pdppower:
➜ Your ignorance is out of this world. Arabian Christians call God Allah. You can use Google or Chatgpt to find out

. This is a nonsensical argument really.

They are not! Identity offers both different. It was an attempt by them to promote religious syncretism—this failed horribly when they saw it was impossible to reconcile both texts. Hence the corruption scheme by their scholars!

Gabrielshow24:
They are not! Identity offers both different. It was an attempt by them to promote religious syncretism—this failed horribly when they saw it was impossible to reconcile both texts. Hence the corruption scheme by their scholars!

So in your view it means any Muslim who claim that Allah and the Christian God are one is only an attempt at proving religious syncretism?

Kobojunkie:
There is nothing controversial about the topic.

2. Your muslim friends, like every religious individual out there, can be wrong, and in this, they are. There is no comparison to be made between the Allah of the Muslims and the YHWH of the Israelites. From the beginning of the Bible to the end, there are no parallels to be drawn between the two different entities.

3. There are no proofs to be found, just baseless conjectures. If we are to assume Allah is YHWH, then Allah must also be Sango, Ogun, Zeus, and every deity that has ever existed. But Muslims will never tell you that Allah is Zeus; therefore, Allah cannot be YHWH.

4. Christians do not worship YHWH; they instead worship images of YHWH, of which they have over 46,000 different such images.

My Good brother it's not completely true that Christians worship 46000 different images of YHWH..
I only know of Catholic Christians who worship an image of God in the person a of Jesus and His mother Mary. Real Christians who've been saved by the blood of Jesus, worship YHWH in their hearts and honor him in their conducts

AngelahFlo:
➜My Good brother it's not completely true that Christians worship 46000 different images of YHWH..
➜ I only know of Catholic Christians who worship an image of God in the person a of Jesus and His mother Mary.
➜ Real Christians who've been saved by the blood of Jesus, worship YHWH in their hearts and honor him in their conducts

1. I am not your brother, abeg! And yes, Christianity is a religion that at last count, is made up of over 46,000 different denominations, which are essentially over 46,000 different images, all purporting to be that of YHWH of which none comes close to the facts described in the Israelite books that make up the Bible.

2. That's because your Christian gods of men have conveniently conditioned your minds to believing that images— idols — as described in those books of the Bible, only apply when a statue is involved.

3. There are no such things as real Christians saved by the blood of Jesus; those are merely some of the delusions held on to by the Christian hoard.

Racheal45:
Bro u are so ignorant
The diff na language
Jus for instance u asking if chineke is same as God

You're so wrong!!
Chineke is God in the Igbo language. It's not the same as Allah. There's a difference between discription of a Character
Translation of a language and Interpretation of a language. From all three angles, Allah and the Christian God ain't the same. While it may be true that the Arabian Christians call the Christian God "allah," it still doesn't support the claim that they are one and the same.

Chineke is translated as God by the Igbos because that's who God is according to their translation. To claim that Allah can be interpreted as God is also wrong because the nature of the two are completely distinct.
One requires a set mode of rituals to Venerate Him while the other(the Christian God) doesn't

Racheal45:
Bro u are so ignorant
The diff na language
Jus for instance u asking if chineke is same as God

See fallacy of using the specific to challenge the general

Besides that does not mean that they are the same. By their principles eg Allah promises fornication with 70virgins, God is removing fornication.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am not your brother, abeg! And yes, Christianity is a religion that is, at last count, made up of over 46,000 different denominations, which are essentially over 46,000 different images, all purporting to be that of YHWH which none of which come close to the facts described in the Israelite books that make up the Bible.

2. That's because your Christian gods of men have conveniently conditioned your minds to believing that images— idols — as described in those books of the Bible, only apply when a statue is involved.

3. There are no such things as real Christians saved by the blood of Jesus;
those are merely some of the delusions held on to by the Christian hoard.

The fact that something exists and the Bible proves it means it's real. Christianity and Christiandom are two different things. One is a lifestyle while the other is a religion. You can argue this till eternity, it won't negate the truth. This particular issue will be treated in another topic.
The four Gospels all prove that Jesus shed His blood for us when he died on the cross. He didn't do it for a select few but for those who are sinners so they can be reconciled back to God as it was intended at the beginning when God created Adam the first man before he fell. Like I said earlier this topic is for another thread. Just had to include it here to refute your claim

Where the problem lies is the general use of the title "GOD"
This word is not the name of a specific being rather it's just a title that any being can claim so it's the name and character of the title bearer that matters not just the title.
For instance a man could be a husband, father and lawyer that doesn't definitely mean you must call him Father or Husband or Lawyer thinking the upper case is enough to define him rather you need to know his personal name and qualities.
The Christian God is a deity worshiped by His adherents just as the Muslims God but their names and attributes shows they are not the same person!

AngelahFlo:
➜ The fact that something exists and the Bible proves it means it's real. Christianity and Christiandom are two different things. One is a lifestyle while the other is a religion. You can argue this till eternity, it won't negate the truth. This particular issue will be treated in another topic.
➜ The four Gospels all prove that Jesus shed His blood for us when he died on the cross. He didn't do it for a select few but for those who are sinners so they can be reconciled back to God as it was intended at the beginning when God created Adam the first man before he fell. Like I said earlier this topic is for another thread. Just had to include it here to refute your claim

1. These are religious cock-and-bull stories that have nothing to do with the Bible. That book is not proof of anything that pertains to Christianity or your Christiandoms.

2. Again, there is no direct connection between your religious delusions and the content of that book of books.

AngelahFlo:
The fact that something exists and the Bible proves it means it's real. Christianity and Christiandom are two different things.

See change of Post.

AngelahFlo:
This topic is controversial and has been a subject of many debates in many forums and discussion groups. I have many muslims friends who are very dear to me. They exemplify the qualities of a good neighbor but anytime you bring up the issue of their God being different from the God of the Bible, they point that you're dead wrong and that we (muslims and Christians worship the same God.
What do you say to this? I would that someone with Islamic background prove this claim. I have my opinion but I wanna read yours first.
So do the Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

This is issue has been over whipped dead that Allah is like saytee and clearly different from God, Whom Christians follow

Racheal45:
Bro u are so ignorant
The diff na language
Jus for instance u asking if chineke is same as God

I did not intend to reply earlier, but seeing that your moniker bears a Christian name, it suggests to me that you may not have read the quran—which muslims believe is the word of Allah.
Let’s begin with this: Please read quran 5:51-52 and share your thoughts.

Dtruthspeaker:
See change of Post.

Sorry Bro.
Was just responding to a post by someone. Will try and not be distracted next time.

parkervero:
I did not intend to reply earlier, but seeing that your moniker bears a Christian name, it suggests to me that you may not have read the quran—which muslims believe is the word of Allah.
Let’s begin with this: Please read quran 5:51-52 and share your thoughts.

Will do that and get back to you.

AngelahFlo:
So in your view it means any Muslim who claim that Allah and the Christian God are one is only an attempt at proving religious syncretism?

Initially yes, but Arabic christians have adopted the name to mean God, with the identity aligning towards the Christian view. From history, the aim of their prophet was to align with the Hebrew scripture and the injeel but unfortunately he said a lot of stuffs that were incompatible with both. He even wanted to incorporate the pagan traditions hence the suppose "devil inspired surahs"—This as well failed!

In all, he wanted to achieve religious harmony under his power but his speech along with the incompatibility of the said religions created a problem🤔 with the only solution, wipe them out!

Racheal45:
✓ Bro u are so ignorant The diff na language
Jus for instance u asking if chineke is same as God

Are you insinuating that this chineke of yours is the same character as Zeus, the Greek God then?

parkervero:
✓ I did not intend to reply earlier, but seeing that your moniker bears a Christian name, it suggests to me that you may not have read the quran—which muslims believe is the word of Allah.
Let’s begin with this: Please read quran 5:51-52 and share your thoughts.

Reading one or two passages in the Quran does not serve as proof here since the character of the Allah of the Muslim goes beyond spurious claims made. The fact here is the deity of the Muslims does not, in any way or form resemble the YHWH of the Israelites. Unless you are also attempting to lead us to believing that the Allah of the Muslims is the same character as the Orunmila of the Yorubas, the Ra of the Egyptians and the Zeus of the Greeks, among others.

Allah is the arabic name for God, same as Elohim is the hebrew word for God. Elaha is the aramaic word for God while the yoruba name for God is Olorun. In english language, a supreme deity is called God; in greek its Theos, in spanish its Dios, in french its Dieu, in swedish its Gud , in italian its Dio, in japanese its kami, in german its Gott, in igbo its chukwu and it goes on and on

These names can be applied to any supreme deity in their respective language, they are generic literary name for God not personal names. Any relgious adherent can apply these names to his deity in whatever language he/she speaks, it doesn't mean they are the same God.

The problem is the muslims colonised the arabic name for God and insist its the personal name of their own supreme deity, that means the name the muslim deity gave himself is Allah. That's his actual name- Allah.

Meanwhile the personal name for the bible deity is YHVH which means I am that I am. The God of Abraham calls himself 'I am that I am'.
When God revealed himself to mankind, he called himself 'I am that I am' In Yoruba this will mean 'Emi ni ti n je emi ni'- I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE. THIS DENOTES THAT U CAN ONLY DEFINE GOD BY HIMSELF AND NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THING because HE'S THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING. OUTSIDE HIM, THERE'S NOTHING. THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT NAME.

Now as we can see, its obvious that the christian God and the muslim God are not the same.
One claimed his personal name is Allah. The Bible God says his personal name YHVH- I am that I am
The muslim deity claimed his name is derived from arabic vocabulary and language, the bible God is telling us his name is underived from any source but his own self.
The muslim deity is telling us he has a created name- derived from creation, the bible God tells us his name is uncreated and cannot be derived from anything else outside of him.

IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY CAN'T BE THE SAME GOD.
IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL BUT APPLICATION OF COMMON SENSE.

AngelahFlo:
Sorry Bro.
Was just responding to a post by someone. Will try and not be distracted next time.

Shoot. I thought it was the Kobo jee who did this. However, I disagree. Christianity and Christiandom mean the same thing just that those who claim it, are not it at all

Dtruthspeaker:
Shoot. I thought it was the Kobo jee who did this. However, I disagree. Christianity and Christiandom mean the same thing just that those who claim it, are not it at all

I think you're right on that ground because that's the reason why Christianity has been confused and has gotten many other religions looking at us like folks that ain't serious.

Gabrielshow24:
Initially yes, but Arabic christians have adopted the name to mean God, with the identity aligning towards the Christian view. From history, the aim of their prophet was to align with the Hebrew scripture and the injeel but unfortunately he said a lot of stuffs that were incompatible with both. He even wanted to incorporate the pagan traditions hence the suppose "devil inspired surahs"—This as well failed!

In all, he wanted to achieve religious harmony under his power but his speech along with the incompatibility of the said religions created a problem🤔 with the only solution, wipe them out!

You couldn't be more correct. You see the Quran is actually an attempt to mimic the Bible. The Bible is so complete even though the authors were people who came from all works of life and lived in different eras yet were inspired to write a book of complementary events.
Thanks for your summation. But it beats me while the Arabian Christians still Adopt the name. Is it that there's no Arabic name for God other than the one Muhammad worship?

SIRTee15:
Allah is the arabic name for God, same as Elohim is the hebrew word for God. Elaha is the aramaic word for God while the yoruba name for God is Olorun. In english language, a supreme deity is called God; in greek its Theos, in spanish its Dios, in french its Dieu, in swedish its Gud , in italian its Dio, in japanese its kami, in german its Gott, in igbo its chukwu and it goes on and on

These names can be applied to any supreme deity in their respective language, they are generic literary name for God not personal names. Any relgious adherent can apply these names to his deity in whatever language he/she speaks, it doesn't mean they are the same God.

The problem is the muslims colonised the arabic name for God and insist its the personal name of their own supreme deity, that means the name the muslim deity gave himself is Allah. That's his actual name- Allah.

Meanwhile the personal name for the bible deity is YHVH which means I am that I am. The God of Abraham calls himself 'I am that I am'.
When God revealed himself to mankind, he called himself 'I am that I am' In Yoruba this will mean 'Emi ni ti n je emi ni'- I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE. THIS DENOTES THAT U CAN ONLY DEFINE GOD BY HIMSELF AND NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THING because HE'S THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING. OUTSIDE HIM, THERE'S NOTHING. THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT NAME.

Now as we can see, its obvious that the christian God and the muslim God are not the same.
One claimed his personal name is Allah. The Bible God says his personal name YHVH- I am that I am
The muslim deity claimed his name is derived from arabic vocabulary and language, the bible God is telling us his name is underived from any source but his own self.
The muslim deity is telling us he has a created name- derived from creation, the bible God tells us his name is uncreated and cannot be derived from anything else outside of him.

IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY CAN'T BE THE SAME GOD.
IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL BUT APPLICATION OF COMMON SENSE.

Now I get it! The Arabic name for God is really Allah but the deity the Muslims worship simply assume that name without adopting the attributes of the Supreme Being that bears the name. Which is glaringly true that the Allah of the Arabian Christians are not the same as the one the Muslims worship. Which brings me to this question: If the Allah the Muslims worship isn't the Christian God then who is he? Had muhammad being deceived into honoring the wrong being thinking he was being inspired by the Most High Himself?

AngelahFlo:
I think you're right on that ground because that's the reason why Christianity has been confused and has gotten many other religions looking at us like folks that ain't serious.

Precisely.

AngelahFlo:
Now I get it! The Arabic name for God is really Allah but the deity the Muslims worship simply assume that name without adopting the attributes of the Supreme Being that bears the name. Which is glaringly true that the Allah of the Arabian Christians are not the same as the one the Muslims worship. Which brings me to this question: If the Allah the Muslims worship isn't the Christian God then who is he? Had muhammad being deceived into honoring the wrong being thinking he was being inspired by the Most High Himself?

Exactly. Why do you think he ran to his wife in fear, convinced he’d been possessed? 👀 It was Khadija—and her cousin, no less—who talked him out of it and proclaimed that he had encountered Gabriel. 😁

It’s like visiting America, meeting a stranger, and your village folks insist you’ve met Trump. 🤕 That’s where the confusion began.

You see, Khadija’s cousin—who gave him this theological interpretation—was no ordinary man. He was an Arian monk. 🤔 He taught him excerpts from the Gospel, but unfortunately for us... I mean, for him... that monk followed a heretical version of Christianity that denied Christ’s divinity. 🤕

This became his early inspiration, until the monk passed away. After that, he had to resort to more advanced strategies to win over the masses—what I call the three W’s. 🤔

And of course, let’s not forget the infamous 'night ride' experience— P. Diddy style, if you know you know. 😁

All your religions worship different ancient Sumerian gods.
They are about 7 in numbers. They control your world and rule your days
1. ORA/ RA in Kemet. His day is on the day of the Sun. His sign his Sun disk. He is worshipped on Sun-days. His planet is the Sun. The churchian god
2. OMA/ UTO-ANA/ALA the earth goddess. The mother earth. Alla is derived from ALLAT - a female deity. She is also known as ANAT of Canaan ( In Sumerian). ANAT was also venerated in Kemet. She is the Western Venus. Her sign is Moon. Her day is Moon-day. They worship her bowing to the earth. Her planet is Moon

Lets jump to the 7th which is ELE in ancient West Africa. He is the father of the gods. Africas who are the ancient ppl know him but the religious ones don't know. The Jews who has a little knowledge of him and call him El Shamayim (God of heaven) mistook him for Yuhu/ Yahweh who is RA in disguise . His day is the 7th day. His planet his Saturn and hence Saturn-day/ Saturday . He is the elder of the gods and not interested in the nonsense you do in your religious houses but the righteousness of your heart

You guys should stop fighting yourself over things you have no knowledge of. Things older than your ancestors, which is their stories but retold to you in snake tongue to Con and troll/control you

I no get power to fight oo. I just come back