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FreeIgboho:
NOBODY IMPREGNATED ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE!!!!
Jeez! She was his FIANCÉ and was a virgin till after birth of Jesus. I know you can read!

So? She was as good as his wife, only without the consummation.
God in this case Zeus who is found of virgin girls, went in to her. Just as he did for persius (clash of the Titans) .
It's all mythology my brother.....the earlier you accept it, the better for you.
God is one indivisible, Omni potent, omnipresent and Omni science ....entity.
Not a Jewish man up in the sky. God essence is very very different from that of a man.

sonmvayina:
He never even existed. We have to start from there first.
And capital No. He is not God see Numbers 23:19. There is no process whereby a human becomes God. It is idolatry. Christianity is all paganism rebranding. Same old worship of mother and son that was done in the levant in ancient times....

Idolatry and blasphemy of the highest order.

DeepSight:
What led you down this path pls

Truth and conviction....... Christianity never made sense to me. Till I did a research.

sonmvayina:
I said "according to the story"

He never really existed to begin with. I have always maintained that. A woman can't become pregnant without the input of a man.
God mating with virgins are the Hallmark of Greek/ Roman mythology. The Jews don't have that idea. It's all pagan myths.

Very well said @ the bold.

sonmvayina:
Truth and conviction....... Christianity never made sense to me. Till I did a research.

Fair enough.

But dont you think you should go one step further and discard the whole thing. Because Yahweh as described in the Hebrew Scriptures is a barbaric and murderous psychopathic enity.

FreeIgboho:
Thank you! The instructions were NOT for you!!!

They were doing animal sacrifice. Why don't you do it?

I did one last year.
I am going to do one this year again.

God only accepts animal sacrifice....NEVER a HUMAN BEING.it is an abomination in his sight.

DeepSight:
Fair enough.

But dont you think you should go one step further and discard the whole thing. Because Yahweh as described in the Hebrew Scriptures is a barbaric and murderous psychopathic enity.

Noooohe is not....lol

The Torah is the most beautiful peace of literature I have ever beheld. If you understand it, you will fall In love with it.
It is about going from ignorance(slavery in Egypt) to self awareness (promised land) by getting rid of our ego.

sonmvayina:
Noooohe is not....lol

The Torah is the most beautiful peace of literature I have ever beheld. If you understand it, you will fall In love with it.
It is about going from ignorance(slavery in Egypt) to self awareness (promised land) by getting rid of our ego.

This is an attempt to put a Buddhist spin on it which is not inherent in the text.

Surely, I dont need to list all the barbaric acts of Yahweh in the Hebrew Scripture before you understand what I am saying?

sonmvayina:
Animal sacrifice is not stopping.

When God sends his Messiah, he will build the temple and the animal sacrifice will commence..
I don't know why or when creation began and I don't claim to know.

All these synagogues all over the world are not temples and in Jerusalem! What other temple donyiu want??

DeepSight:
Then why "Moses said, but I say. . . "

He changed the laws on at least the following -

1. Vengeance (from "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek" )
2. The sabbath (from strict observance to "the sabbath is made for man and not man for the sabbath" )
3. Punishment for adultery (from stoning to death to "he who has no sin should cast the first stone" )

Etc etc

And he explained that's how it was meant from the beginning - because he was there!

sonmvayina:
I said "according to the story"

He never really existed to begin with. I have always maintained that. A woman can't become pregnant without the input of a man.
God mating with virgins are the Hallmark of Greek/ Roman mythology. The Jews don't have that idea. It's all pagan myths.

So you now know what God can and cannot do??
Wehdone

FreeIgboho:
And he explained that's how it was meant from the beginning - because he was there!

I dont think you are serious.

FreeIgboho:
So you now know what God can and cannot do??
Wehdone

Are you not the master and champion of that?

sonmvayina:
He never even existed. We have to start from there first.
And capital No. He is not God see Numbers 23:19. There is no process whereby a human becomes God. It is idolatry. Christianity is all paganism rebranding. Same old worship of mother and son that was done in the levant in ancient times....

Janosky, tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, MeetDx, gabrielshow24, Sand2022, ichuka, Emusan, 22jumpstreet, MaxinDHouse
Please come help me tell him that this is PURE BLASPHEMIC NONSENSE INDEED!!!

sonmvayina:
Where did the prophets say that ?

All the idea that Christianity is built on, where are they in the Tanakh? It is all paganism packaged as facts.

I showed where Prophets like Isaiah said such. Was Hezekiah ever called "Everlasting father, Prince of Peace, etc?

FreeIgboho:
Janosky, tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, MeetDx, gabrielshow24, Sand2022, ichuka, Emusan, 22jumpstreet, MaxinDHouse
Please come help me tell him that this is PURE BLASPHEMIC NONSENSE INDEED!!!

His case is not new. He has become a familiar case😂 —So, we are not surprised. He goes about ranting about Marduk, Enki, Enlil among others. Let him be, it's extremely futile conversing with him.

sonmvayina:
I did one last year.
I am going to do one this year again.

God only accepts animal sacrifice....NEVER a HUMAN BEING.it is an abomination in his sight.

Just one sacrifice in a whole year??!
See below - these are just mandatory sacrifices o

Gabrielshow24:
His case is not new. He has become a familiar case😂 —So, we are not surprised. He goes about ranting about Marduk, Enki, Enlil among others. Let him be, it's extremely futile conversing with him.

My brother I tire. Even something as obvious as that Rome couldn't have invented Jesus!

DeepSight:
I dont think you are serious.

That's exactly what he said - certain things were modulated due to "hardness of your hearts," and was not God's plan from the beginning

DeepSight:
Are you not the master and champion of that?

WHERE DID I SAY THA??
Again, I've NEVER said I definitely knew what God can and cannot do!

FreeIgboho:
WHERE DID I SAY THA??
Again, I've NEVER said I definitely knew what God can and cannot do!

Yet you have definitely said what he can and cannot do many times.

sonmvayina:
I said "according to the story"

He never really existed to begin with. I have always maintained that. A woman can't become pregnant without the input of a man.
God mating with virgins are the Hallmark of Greek/ Roman mythology. The Jews don't have that idea. It's all pagan myths.

This is actually a good point. The Hebrew myths don't have the god doing anything of such despite their god appearing several times physically or at least sending emissaries bearing the name of the god. It makes sense that this is a syncretic insertion from Greek/Roman mythology.

FreeIgboho:
Just one sacrifice in a whole year??!
See below - these are just mandatory sacrifices o

It is a situational sacrifice, it is for a particular reason.

FreeIgboho:
I showed where Prophets like Isaiah said such. Was Hezekiah ever called "Everlasting father, Prince of Peace, etc?

no, those are titles reserved for the creator.
this is what Isaiah wrote, not the miss translation you peddle around

6. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

הכִּי־יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־לָ֗נוּ בֵּן נִתַּן־לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔וֹר אֲבִי־עַ֖ד שַׂר־שָׁלֽוֹם:

this is a reference to a future King Hezekiah, who was already born.

FreeIgboho:
Janosky, tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, MeetDx, gabrielshow24, Sand2022, ichuka, Emusan, 22jumpstreet, MaxinDHouse
Please come help me tell him that this is PURE BLASPHEMIC NONSENSE INDEED!!!

they are still part of the worship of Lucifer and her son.

only those who has seen through the sham and has woken up know

FreeIgboho:
So you now know what God can and cannot do??
Wehdone

i know enough to know that humans give birth to humans and a woman needs a male input to become pregnant. it is just basic science.

FreeIgboho:
All these synagogues all over the world are not temples and in Jerusalem! What other temple donyiu want??

the one God gave them the instruction to build in Jerusalem.

the real messiah is doing 6 things one of which is buiilkd the third temple and gather the Jews back to their home land. he would be a king over them. that is how we will know he is the messiah, not by signs and wonders.
God will do it in his own time.

LordReed:
This is actually a good point. The Hebrew myths don't have the god doing anything of such despite their god appearing several times physically or at least sending emissaries bearing the name of the god. It makes sense that this is a syncretic insertion from Greek/Roman mythology.

A very very very very sound point.

Your “reasons” collapse once examined. Let’s address them one by one, with clarity and logic.

1️⃣ Prophecies of Jesus in the Old Testament
The so-called “prophecies” you refer to are vague and later reinterpreted. Jews themselves — the custodians of the Old Testament — do not read them as predictions of a divine Jesus. If the very nation entrusted with the Torah never saw your “Trinity” in their scripture, your claim is nothing more than retrofitting verses to theology invented centuries later.

2️⃣ John the Baptist’s role
John was indeed a great prophet, but even he never said Jesus was God. He called him the Messiah — a human prophet and servant of God. The exaggerated Christian spin that John’s humility somehow proves divinity is a leap of logic. Great prophets always humbled themselves before God’s chosen servants.

3️⃣ The voice at baptism
Hearing a “voice from heaven” is not proof of divinity. At Jesus’ baptism, the text itself distinguishes between God (“This is my Son”) and Jesus. If Jesus were literally God, why does another voice need to announce it? This scene shows separation, not unity of essence. Furthermore, the Bible often uses “son of God” metaphorically (e.g., Adam, Israel, David). To seize on this one usage and make it literal for Jesus alone is inconsistent.

4️⃣ Jesus forgiving sins, raising the dead, accepting worship
Jesus himself said: “I can do nothing by myself” (John 5:30). Every miracle he performed was by God’s permission. Prophets before him raised the dead (Elijah, Elisha) and performed wonders, yet no one called them God. As for “accepting worship,” the Greek words often translated as “worship” in the Gospels also mean “respect” or “homage.” Bowing before prophets and kings was common in Jewish tradition and never implied divinity.

5️⃣ “His words will never pass away”
If that were true, why do we have thousands of conflicting manuscripts, with additions, deletions, and alterations acknowledged by Christian scholars themselves? The Qur’an, not the Bible, is the scripture preserved word for word for over 1,400 years.

6️⃣ Jesus raising himself from the dead
If Jesus raised himself, then who raised him? The New Testament itself contradicts you:

Acts 2:24 — “But God raised him from the dead.”

Acts 3:15 — “You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead.”

Romans 10:9 — “…God raised him from the dead.”
So did he raise himself, or did God raise him? Your claim is self-contradictory.

7️⃣ Worship after death proves nothing
False gods and idols have been worshipped for thousands of years too. The persistence of worship is no evidence of truth. Longevity of belief does not equal divine reality — otherwise you’d have to accept Hindu deities or Pharaoh’s worship as true.

8️⃣ Worshipped “interchangeably with the Father”
That’s precisely the problem: polytheism disguised as Christianity. Worshipping the Father and the Son destroys the absolute oneness of God. The very first commandment is clear: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One” (Mark 12:29). Jesus himself repeated it — but Christians replaced it with later church doctrine.

9️⃣ “The Father blesses the worshippers”
God blesses even disbelievers in this life (health, rain, provision). Material or emotional experiences are not proof of doctrinal truth. If blessings proved divinity, then idol-worshippers who prosper would also be worshipping the true God — which you would reject.

🔟 “He is alive and active today”
Yes, Jesus is alive — but as a prophet and servant of Allah, awaiting his second coming. His life is no proof of divinity. Many saints, prophets, and martyrs remain alive in the unseen world, but no one calls them God.

The bottom line:
You have not provided a single explicit, unambiguous statement from Jesus himself saying: “I am God, worship me.” Instead, you stack assumptions, reinterpret verses, and rely on later church theology. Islam’s message remains pure and uncompromised:

> “Say: He is Allah, the One. Allah, the Eternal. He neither begets nor is begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.” (Qur’an 112:1-4)

JimRohn:
Your “reasons” collapse once examined. Let’s address them one by one, with clarity and logic.

1️⃣ Prophecies of Jesus in the Old Testament
The so-called “prophecies” you refer to are vague and later reinterpreted. Jews themselves — the custodians of the Old Testament — do not read them as predictions of a divine Jesus. If the very nation entrusted with the Torah never saw your “Trinity” in their scripture, your claim is nothing more than retrofitting verses to theology invented centuries later.

2️⃣ John the Baptist’s role
John was indeed a great prophet, but even he never said Jesus was God. He called him the Messiah — a human prophet and servant of God. The exaggerated Christian spin that John’s humility somehow proves divinity is a leap of logic. Great prophets always humbled themselves before God’s chosen servants.

3️⃣ The voice at baptism
Hearing a “voice from heaven” is not proof of divinity. At Jesus’ baptism, the text itself distinguishes between God (“This is my Son”) and Jesus. If Jesus were literally God, why does another voice need to announce it? This scene shows separation, not unity of essence. Furthermore, the Bible often uses “son of God” metaphorically (e.g., Adam, Israel, David). To seize on this one usage and make it literal for Jesus alone is inconsistent.

4️⃣ Jesus forgiving sins, raising the dead, accepting worship
Jesus himself said: “I can do nothing by myself” (John 5:30). Every miracle he performed was by God’s permission. Prophets before him raised the dead (Elijah, Elisha) and performed wonders, yet no one called them God. As for “accepting worship,” the Greek words often translated as “worship” in the Gospels also mean “respect” or “homage.” Bowing before prophets and kings was common in Jewish tradition and never implied divinity.

5️⃣ “His words will never pass away”
If that were true, why do we have thousands of conflicting manuscripts, with additions, deletions, and alterations acknowledged by Christian scholars themselves? The Qur’an, not the Bible, is the scripture preserved word for word for over 1,400 years.

6️⃣ Jesus raising himself from the dead
If Jesus raised himself, then who raised him? The New Testament itself contradicts you:

Acts 2:24 — “But God raised him from the dead.”

Acts 3:15 — “You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead.”

Romans 10:9 — “…God raised him from the dead.”
So did he raise himself, or did God raise him? Your claim is self-contradictory.

7️⃣ Worship after death proves nothing
False gods and idols have been worshipped for thousands of years too. The persistence of worship is no evidence of truth. Longevity of belief does not equal divine reality — otherwise you’d have to accept Hindu deities or Pharaoh’s worship as true.

8️⃣ Worshipped “interchangeably with the Father”
That’s precisely the problem: polytheism disguised as Christianity. Worshipping the Father and the Son destroys the absolute oneness of God. The very first commandment is clear: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One” (Mark 12:29). Jesus himself repeated it — but Christians replaced it with later church doctrine.

9️⃣ “The Father blesses the worshippers”
God blesses even disbelievers in this life (health, rain, provision). Material or emotional experiences are not proof of doctrinal truth. If blessings proved divinity, then idol-worshippers who prosper would also be worshipping the true God — which you would reject.

🔟 “He is alive and active today”
Yes, Jesus is alive — but as a prophet and servant of Allah, awaiting his second coming. His life is no proof of divinity. Many saints, prophets, and martyrs remain alive in the unseen world, but no one calls them God.

The bottom line:
You have not provided a single explicit, unambiguous statement from Jesus himself saying: “I am God, worship me.” Instead, you stack assumptions, reinterpret verses, and rely on later church theology. Islam’s message remains pure and uncompromised:

> “Say: He is Allah, the One. Allah, the Eternal. He neither begets nor is begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.” (Qur’an 112:1-4)

Jesus referred to his disciples as his BROTHERS God has never referred to His worshipers as such and in conclusion Jesus said his father is our father and his God is our God! John 20:17
There is only one evidence of pure worship but nobody cares to examine it so only practicers of pure worship knows it, there is no contradiction among them and they are producing the fruit expected of true worshipers of God!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus referred to his disciples as his BROTHERS God has never referred to His worshipers as such and in conclusion Jesus said his father is our father and his God is our God! John 20:17
There is only one evidence of pure worship but nobody cares to examine it so only practicers of pure worship knows it, there is no contradiction among them and they are producing the fruit expected of true worshipers of God!

Thank you for citing John 20:17 — it actually supports the Islamic position.

1. On John 20:17
Jesus says, “I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” If Jesus has a God, he is not God. The verse distinguishes between Jesus and God and places both Jesus and the disciples under the same Lord.

2. On calling the disciples “brothers”
When Jesus calls believers his “brothers,” it emphasizes his shared humanity, not divinity. Scripture itself explains this: “He is not ashamed to call them brothers” and “he had to be made like his brothers in every respect” (Hebrews 2:11, 2:17). That God does not call humans His “brothers” is precisely because God is utterly unlike creation. Jesus calling humans “brothers” fits a servant-messenger of God, not God Himself.

3. Consistent New Testament pattern
Multiple passages echo John 20:17 by showing Jesus worshipping and submitting to God:

“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34)

“Therefore God, your God, has anointed you.” (Hebrews 1:9)

“The name of my God … the city of my God … which comes down out of heaven from my God.” (Revelation 3:12)
A being who repeatedly refers to “my God” is not the Almighty; he is a servant of the Almighty.

4. About “pure worship” and “fruits”
“Pure worship” must be defined by clear monotheism and the practice of the prophets: direct prayer to the One God alone, no partners, no intermediaries, no images. Organizational uniformity or claimed “fruits” are not proof of truth—many groups show discipline and growth while teaching contradictory doctrines. The sure test is theological clarity and textual integrity. Islam meets that test: uncompromised Tawhid and a preserved revelation, the Qur’an.

Bottom line:
Your own citation (John 20:17) aligns with Islam: Jesus is a prophet and Messiah who worships God. The side of truth is the side that worships the God of Jesus—not Jesus as God. Return to the pure monotheism every prophet proclaimed:

👆 “Say: He is Allah, the One; Allah, the Absolute. He neither begets nor is begotten; and there is none comparable to Him.” (Qur’an 112:1–4)