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flokii:
Yorubas and greatness are 5 & 6..
All my flight experiences with Value jet have been pretty smooth, their pilots are always on point, especially when landing.

MaziObinnaokija:
This is why i love the yorubas. .No fighting ,No chest beating

Solosolojohquay:
I laugh in Portuguese if ijebu state was created today will Remo not included when did Remo start separating themselves from ijebu na wah for you

Solosolojohquay:
I laugh in Portuguese if they create ijebu state now will Remo stand alone when did Remo people start separating themselves from ijebu na wah o

pinkyruledworld:
Remo has always been separated from Ijebu. You may not know this but thats how its been.

Ogun is divided into 4 since day one.
Remo
Ijebu
Yewa
Egba


If Ijebu state is creates, reno may be included. Just as egba and yewa is in ogun. It doesn't mean egba is yewa.

Thank you.

Bobbyjay001:
Meet the Ijebu man who owns Valuejet Airline

His name is Kunle Soname. He is a Nigerian businessman with an estimated net worth of over $100 million, possibly up to $500 million. He has diverse interests in sports, betting, aviation, and real estate.

The airline's daily operations are managed by Captain Omololu Majekodunmi, who serves as the CEO.

The airline was founded in 2018 but commenced operations on October 10, 2022, with flights to Abuja, Port Harcourt, Asaba, and Jos.

Soname is the Chairman of the sports betting website Bet9ja and owner of Portuguese football club C.D. He is also the president of Remo stars football club.

billynoni:
Point of correction: Kunle IS NOT an Ijebu man, he's from Ikenne-Remo, Ogun State... Therefore he's a Remo person not an Ijebu man. Akarigbo's the paramount ruler in Remoland not Awujale. Be guided.

pinkyruledworld:
Remo has always been separated from Ijebu. You may not know this but thats how its been.

Ogun is divided into 4 since day one.
Remo
Ijebu
Yewa
Egba


If Ijebu state is created, Remo may be included. Just as egba and yewa is in ogun. It doesn't mean egba is yewa.

Thank you.

pinkyruledworld:
Remo has always been separated from Ijebu. You may not know this but thats how its been.

Ogun is divided into 4 since day one.
Remo
Ijebu
Yewa
Egba


If Ijebu state is created, Remo may be included. Just as egba and yewa is in ogun. It doesn't mean egba is yewa.

Thank you.

AlphaTaikun:
So, Chief Jeremiah Obafemi Awolowo who hails from Ikenne in Ogun State is NOT an Ijebu man BUT a Remo man.

pinkyruledworld:
That's correct. The Awujale is the paramount ruler of Ijebu while Akarigbo is the paramount ruler of Remo. The British turned everything upside down.

AlphaTaikun:
@pinkyruledworld

Succinctly stated.

A lot of folks have ALWAYS lumped the Ijebus and Remos together thinking that Chief Obafemi Awolowo, GCFR, SAN is an Ijebu man. Professor 'Yemi Osinbajo too is a Remo from Ikenne. The British Colonialists had a notorious habit of promoting some people they favored over others. This is how the foreign Fulas (whose ancestors are from North African Berber paternal ancestry) were propped up and we're allowed by the British to lord it over other Indigenous Nigerian ethnic groups for administrative and tax collection purposes. The result of this British Colonialist action is what is manifesting today as foreign Fula militia bandit's attacks on several communities in the North West, North Central, and Southern parts of Nigeria.

The same thing happened in Calabar with 3 ethnic groups of Kwa, Efut, and the minority Efik as indigenes BUT the British Colonialists promoted the Efiks (who migrated last within the last 300 years into the Calabar area from modern Akwa Ibom) over the others. Today, a lot of people WRONGLY refer to everyone from Calabar as an Efik which the Efuts and the Kwas strongly debunked in a paid newspaper advertorial. Infact, the land area the Efiks occupy in Calabar is the SMALLEST of the 3 ethnic groups! There's a lot of historical miseducation going on partly caused by the British Colonialists and that has to change URGENTLY.

Your post indeed provides even more CLARITY here for everyone. Until a few years ago, I too used to think that Remo was a part of the larger Ijebu folks until I saw a FULL-page newspaper advertorial placed by a prominent Remo socio-cultural group back in the early 2000s discussing about the creation of Ijebu State and the Remos CLEARLY stated that though they are Yoruba BUT are a different subgroup from the Ijebus.

I read somewhere that Ikorodu LGA in Lagos State is also Remo but I've always thought they are Ijebus just like Epe LGA, Ibeju-Lekki LGA, and Ajah.

As a Remo person, can you further clarify if Ikorodu in Lagos State is part of Remoland or Ijebuland? There's a sort of an overlap or intertwining of these two great Yoruba subgroups in Ogun East.

Second, is there a way to distinguish between Remo names and Ijebu names? This is aside from the FACT that Akarigbo is the paramount ruler of Remoland and the Awujale is the paramount ruler of Ijebuland.

I look forward to your feedback.

billynoni:
Remo will stop to separate the day, Ojude Oba is performed at Sagamu or Ikenne.

pinkyruledworld:
That's correct. The Awujale is the paramount ruler of Ijebu while Akarigbo is the paramount ruler of Remo. The British turned everything upside down.

tollyboy5:
I think it is quite unfortunate that we try to rewrite history because of some political differences. And forget the fact that we were supposed to put aside our political differences.
For the fact that you said the British! lol. You mean the British that killed several Ijebu warriors and forced Awujale to sign a treaty?
I just hope you're not bring a narrative of the British favoring the Ijebus.

The Ijebus are master craft of whatever they engage on and don't need favoritism of such. The British killed hundreds of thousand of Ijebu warriors during the Magbon war, during the time trade across Lagos - Ibadan express way were to pay tax to Awujale and there was no contemplation is that Remo axis where the route is, was Ijebu or not Ijebu.

The political rift between akarigbo and awujale has nothing to do with the remo people who all through history identify as ijebu.
Ijebu is the people and Remo is a Place.
You can call a person Remo but you can a person Ijebu, you can call a person ijebu-remo. Its just like calling Ijebu who are native to Lagos ijebu-eko as a compound name is stead of saying Epe and Ibeju.


Through out my time at shagamu, iperu, isara, ode, ikene, ipara i have never for once seen one person refer to himself or herself as not an ijebu person.

My good friend a native of isara then will tell me she is Ijebu- isara to differentiate herself from Ode, and Ipara. Awolowo throughout his life time was referred to as Ijebu man and never complained. Kessinton adebutu popular known as baba Ijebu has never rejected his Ijebu identity, it's online warriors from Ilu-Oke that are trying to rewrite Ijebu history.
Leave the political tussle of Akarigbo and Awujale out of the people's identity because all Ijebu are united and one big family.

pinky.ruled.world
Alpha.Taikun

AlphaTaikun:
@pinkyruledworld

Succinctly stated.

A lot of folks have ALWAYS lumped the Ijebus and Remos together thinking that Chief Obafemi Awolowo, GCFR, SAN is an Ijebu man. Professor 'Yemi Osinbajo too is a Remo from Ikenne. The British Colonialists had a notorious habit of promoting some people they favored over others. This is how the foreign Fulas (whose ancestors are from North African Berber paternal ancestry) were propped up and we're allowed by the British to lord it over other Indigenous Nigerian ethnic groups for administrative and tax collection purposes. The result of this British Colonialist action is what is manifesting today as foreign Fula militia bandit's attacks on several communities in the North West, North Central, and Southern parts of Nigeria.

The same thing happened in Calabar with 3 ethnic groups of Kwa, Efut, and the minority Efik as indigenes BUT the British Colonialists promoted the Efiks (who migrated last within the last 300 years into the Calabar area from modern Akwa Ibom) over the others. Today, a lot of people WRONGLY refer to everyone from Calabar as an Efik which the Efuts and the Kwas strongly debunked in a paid newspaper advertorial. Infact, the land area the Efiks occupy in Calabar is the SMALLEST of the 3 ethnic groups! There's a lot of historical miseducation going on partly caused by the British Colonialists and that has to change URGENTLY.

Your post indeed provides even more CLARITY here for everyone. Until a few years ago, I too used to think that Remo was a part of the larger Ijebu folks until I saw a FULL-page newspaper advertorial placed by a prominent Remo socio-cultural group back in the early 2000s discussing about the creation of Ijebu State and the Remos CLEARLY stated that though they are Yoruba BUT are a different subgroup from the Ijebus.

I read somewhere that Ikorodu LGA in Lagos State is also Remo but I've always thought they are Ijebus just like Epe LGA, Ibeju-Lekki LGA, and Ajah.

As a Remo person, can you further clarify if Ikorodu in Lagos State is part of Remoland or Ijebuland? There's a sort of an overlap or intertwining of these two great Yoruba subgroups in Ogun East.

Second, is there a way to distinguish between Remo names and Ijebu names? This is aside from the FACT that Akarigbo is the paramount ruler of Remoland and the Awujale is the paramount ruler of Ijebuland.

I look forward to your feedback.

tollyboy5:
I think it is quite unfortunate that we try to rewrite history because of some political differences. And forget the fact that we were supposed to put aside our political differences.
For the fact that you said the British! lol. You mean the British that killed several Ijebu warriors and forced Awujale to sign a treaty?
I just hope you're not bringing a narrative of the British favoring the Ijebus.
The Ijebus are master craft of whatever they engage on and don't need favoritism of such. The British killed hundreds of thousand of Ijebu warriors during the Magbon war, during the time trade across Lagos - Ibadan express way were to pay tax to Awujale and there was no contemplation wether Remo axis where the route is, was Ijebu or not Ijebu.
The political rift between akarigbo and awujale has nothing to do with the remo people who all through history identify as ijebu.
Ijebu is the people and Remo is a Place.
You can't call a person Remo but you can a person Ijebu, you can call a person ijebu-remo. Its just like calling Ijebu who are native to Lagos ijebu-eko as a compound name is stead of saying Epe and Ibeju.


Through out my time at shagamu, iperu, isara, ode, ikene, ipara i have never for once seen one person refer to himself or herself as not an ijebu person.
My good friend a native of isara then will tell me she is Ijebu- isara to differentiate herself from Ode, and Ipara. Awolowo throughout his life time was referred to as Ijebu man and never complained. Kessington adebutu popular known as baba Ijebu has never rejected his Ijebu identity, it's online warriors from Ilu-Oke that are trying to rewrite Ijebu history.
Leave the political tussle of Akarigbo and Awujale out of the people's identity because all Ijebu are united and one big family.
pinkyruledworld
AlphaTaikun

AlphaTaikun:
The thrust of my post (if you read it well was to seek for more CLARITY from the self-identified Remo folks (pink.ruled*** and others) here on this NL thread who say they are NOT Ijebus). Back in the early 2000s, I remember reading a paid-for, full-page newspaper advertorial by a Remo socio-cultural group whose prominent members stated that though they (Remos) live in proximity to the Ijebus, they are subculturally DISTINCT from the Ijebus. They ALSO discussed the specifics about what the configuration and creation of a future Ijebu State would be like with Remos in it such as where the future State capital would be located, etc.

I ONLY gave anecdotes in my post about how the European/British Colonialists distorted the geopolitical dynamics of some ethnicities and communities. I wasn't "dissing" Ijebu folks at all and I like the FACT that you referenced the famous Ijebu vs. the British back in the 1800s. I've got Ijebu bloodlines through my maternal "great great grandmother" from back in the 1800s. Then my maternal "great grandmother" too was an astute woman (in politics and business) who was an active supporter and member of the Awolowo-led "Action Group Party." She then gave birth to my maternal grandmother who hailed from Eko (Lagos Island).

However, you're spot on because in my several decades of being on Earth, Chief Obafemi Awolowo, GCFR, SAN had always been refered to as an "Ijebu" from Ikenne by sections of the media outlets and I still recall back in the early 1990s reading the published news article of Awo's incarceration by the Balewa authorities in Ibeju-Lekki in the early 1960s before he was finally moved to the Old Eastern Region and the journalist stated that: "Awolowo would have been comfortable while being detained in the midst of his Ijebu people who are the indigenes of Ibeju-Lekki."

In any event, long-term peace is what matters for the entirety of Yoruba folks of an estimated 70 million living and working in major population centers worldwide.

pinkyruledworld:
Good day sir.
I do not know whether to agree or disagree with you when you said we are trying to rewrite history due to political history but I would mention a few things.

So what the British killed Ijebu warriors? Are you aware that (according to information out there) it was the same British that coined the term "Ijebu-Remo" for administrative convenience and it's based on ignorance of the separate identities of the Ijebu and Remo people. The British administration merged the two separate regions for administrative purposes, creating the combined term.

Secondly, I never mentioned anything about a rift between Akarigbo and Awujale and I do not know where that's coming from.

You said, you can't call a place person Remo but you can call a person Ijebu Remo? Who told you that? You can call anybody anything, its about acceptance and adaptability.

I totally understand that you may have met with people who identify as Ijebu or Ijebu-Remo who are strictly Remo. In fact, lots of us identify as that because we do not know whats up, we just lived the way we were raised. We basically accepted that Ijebu stamp as we didn't see anything wrong with it.
That narrative is changing now, not just to the Remo folks but to other tribes in Nigeria.

I am very sure that if you have a conversation with that your friend now, he would definitely have a different thing to say about this topic.

You would also agree with me that when you were younger, a Nigerian would either be a Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo (except if you are from a certain minority tribe). We didn't care if they were Fulani, Ebira, Tiv, Esan, Benin. You would automatically give them an Igbo stamp if they said they weren't Yoruba or Hausa (even if they were Edo)

For years, if you watched OGTV, they have always shown Ogun State to be divided into 4. Remo, Ijebu, Yewa and Egba. It has been there.

pinkyruledworld:
Personally, I feel why the Remo folks may have "identified" as Ijebu's are;
❌ The British merging us together
2. The Ijebus's seems to have been strong politically and culturally. It would have been easy to go with the flow. Despite being from Remo, I have heard the names Awujale and Alake of Egba more than Akarigbo while growing up.
3. No awareness, our parents keeps passing down the identities from bloodline to bloodline.

The funny thing is, the topic of Remo not been part of Ijebu has in existence as far back but no one is really interested in it. Its only getting popular because of the "Ijebu's" wanting to get a state and capital.

Bobbyjay001:
Meet the Ijebu man who owns Valuejet Airline

His name is Kunle Soname. He is a Nigerian businessman with an estimated net worth of over $100 million, possibly up to $500 million. He has diverse interests in sports, betting, aviation, and real estate.

The airline's daily operations are managed by Captain Omololu Majekodunmi, who serves as the CEO.

The airline was founded in 2018 but commenced operations on October 10, 2022, with flights to Abuja, Port Harcourt, Asaba, and Jos.

Soname is the Chairman of the sports betting website Bet9ja and owner of Portuguese football club C.D. He is also the president of Remo stars football club.

pinkyruledworld:
@alpha.taikun

Good day to you sir.

Ikorodu is an extension of Remoland. Lots of the ancient Ikorodu families migrated from Sagamu to settle there. The Oba of Ogijo is from the same royal ruling house (Torungbuwa) as the current Akarigbo of Remo. The Ayangburen of Ikorodu is considered to be from the royal lineage of Akarigbo.

Personally, I do not think there is a way to way to distinguish between an Ijebu or Remo names. They are all Yoruba names with Yoruba meanings, so you may end up seeing it as a Yoruba name.

pinkyruledworld:
Personally, I feel why the Remo folks may have "identified" as Ijebu's are;

1. The British merging us together
2. The Ijebus's seems to have been strong politically and culturally. It would have been easy to go with the flow. Despite being from Remo, I have heard the names Awujale and Alake of Egba more than Akarigbo while growing up.
3. No awareness, our parents keeps passing down the identities from bloodline to bloodline.

The funny thing is, the topic of Remo not been part of Ijebu has in existence as far back but no one is really interested in it. Its only getting popular because of the "Ijebu's" wanting to get a state and capital.

tollyboy5:
The British did not merge anything. Ijebu kingdom was purely ijebuland.
The British best interest was to break the awujale power.
Akarigbo is a lower class oba in real sense compared to alake and awujale.
So you think Remo people were not part of the magbon war?! Lol.
You're coming as a new Ager Remo person but you can say things you want to say but the truth is, there's no historical backing to it and the only historical difference is akarigbo trying to revolt against awujale, not identifying as ijebu so the seat of akarigbo won't be covered by the dominant awujale seat.
But that's joke, we in Epe know our paramount ruler is awujale.
Awujale territory comprises of all landed area belonging to the ijebu kingdom that existed before the British started the Nigeria project.
Epe, Ikorodu, Lekki, Remo, all ijebu axis down to the borders of Ondo State.
That is why he his called awujale of ijebuland not awujale of ijebu-ode.

tollyboy5:
The narrative changing is the disorder happening.
Kessington adebutu is not identifying as an ijebu man because of the British.
Awolowo is not identifying as an ijebu man because of the British.
The British did not coined the word "ijebu-remo"
It's a normal thing for people who believe they're ijebu to call themselves that way and it is left for powers that be to use it to identify them.
For instance Epe is actually ijebu. The way I see old people in remo call themselves ijebu is the way ijebu people refer to Epe as ijebu.
But the government chose Epe as an Identity.
I would say im from Epe or say I'm ijebu-Epe attimes.
These are normal way ijebu people fondly identify themselves.
Even knowledgeable historian from nairaland tao11 if she's still current on this forum knows the rift originated from akarigbo vs awujale.
You're not providing enough evidence to back your claim. Those old people are not thought to accept ijebu identify by the British, they learnt their identity from their parents.
What you're saying now is politics.

AlphaTaikun:
@pinkyruledworld

I appreciate your honest feedback here as your post adds several layers of CLARITY and new knowledge for me on the history and migration of Ikorodu LGA folks of Lagos State being of direct Remo descent right up to the ancestry of the Ayangburen of Ikorodu. This is exactly what I read briefly back in the early 2000s.

Recently, I saw a video of folks from Owu-Ijebu this week celebrating with their monarch. So, even right in Ijebuland, we have folks who migrated in the 1800s definitely to settler in other places (due to the Yoruba Civil Wars of the 1800s and pressures for land) just like Abeokuta is a conglomerate of Yorubas from Egba (via their original home of Ibadan), Owus, some Ketu Kingdom folks (who migrated as refugees from modern Benin Republic to Abeokuta) and more.

In any event, as long as boundaries are respected between Remos and the Ijebus, that's serves a good purpose for the benefit of peace in the entire Yorubaland.

Modupe gan.