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Fiscus105:
Don't you think it would have better for them to step aside, while they are still alive and oversee their successors for few years, before they go back to their creators? Within few years they step aside, any crises that might come up, they can intervene and use their influence to douse than the animosity. But when they gone, if animosity comes up, thre is high tendency it might bring the church to his knees.

I biliv you know what happened to CAC few years ago, till today, not recover fully from it.

God will choose a successor, even the current GOs too would have been praying about their successor i.e if they don't know who it is already .

The real question is whoever their successors are will the current leadership of the church accept the person, will those who have spent years in the church not rebell, will they submit under his authority?

We all saw how Pa adeboyes own panned out even with tape recording Baba aAkimdayomi left some still felt this small interpreter the next G.O someone we taught Sunday school. And this was when there was still very much high reverence to things of God not now days that people hardly fear God and all after fame and money.

So whether the GO hands over a while before God calls him home to let the person learn the ropes or not those that will rebel against whoever the person will always be ready.
Any body or groups of persons that allow themselves to scatter a church it is flesh (their pride ego etc) that is leading them, the holy spirit is not there.

Since it's not by electing a new GO , God will choose and lead the current GOs right by his grace. I just fear what will happen because of those that will be aggrieved.

LeopardX:
Pastor Kumuyi is not going anywhere soon.
So the call for a successor is misplaced and ill-timed.

We'll all know when it's time.

So true


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3YWZm5Ac9c

I watched the video and I was wondering...do some men of God think they will live forever??

No. Although according to him, God will pick a successor.

But our men of God should know that one day if the rapture tarries, they will die and leave their ministries behind.

God bless pastor Kumuyi.

NoToPile:
God will choose a successor, even the current GOs too would have been praying about their successor i.e if they don't know who it is already .

The real question is whoever their successors are will the current leadership of the church accept the person, will those who have spent years in the church not rebell, will they submit under his authority?

We all saw how Pa adeboyes own panned out even with tape recording Baba aAkimdayomi left some still felt this small interpreter the next G.O someone we taught Sunday school. And this was when there was still very much high reverence to things of God not now days that people hardly fear God and all after fame and money.

So whether the GO hands over a while before God calls him home to let the person learn the ropes or not those that will rebel against whoever the person will always be ready.
Any body or groups of persons that allow themselves to scatter a church it is flesh (their pride ego etc) that is leading them, the holy spirit is not there.

Since it's not by electing a new GO , God will choose and lead the current GOs right by his grace. I just fear what will happen because of those that will be aggrieved.

Shepeees must ass licking at all cost, didn't papa Akindayomiwa give special authority and recognition for Adeboye before he finally passed on?

Now, did these GOs giving any special recognition to their subordinates apart their families's members they are tactically grooming to be their successors?


You can go and do finding, I'm very sure the problem is cropping up now, has to do with how Kumuyi is tactically grooming his son to become authority after he might have left.

I think it is a wise counsel for him to succession plan in place except if he wants to throw what he spent many years building into turmoil, litigation and breakup due to power struggle and lack of clear authority. What happened to T.B Joshua's church readily comes to mind.

Fiscus105:
Shepeees must ass licking at all cost, didn't papa Akindayomiwa give special authority and recognition for Adeboye before he finally passed on?

Now, did these GOs giving any special recognition to their subordinates apart their families's members they are tactically grooming to be their successors?


You can go and do finding, I'm very sure the problem is cropping up now, has to do with how Kumuyi is tactically grooming his son to become authority after he might have left.

Well this conversation went from 0-100 very quickly. From the tone of the message I responded too, I thought it was an honest question you asked and you wanted to listen to my opinion.


Please ignore my initial response.

Ciao.

Sellfish:
Sir tight syndrome even in "the Lord's house"

If we ask how this man is different from Paul Biya of Cameroon, Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Assad, Stalin, and other sit-tight world leaders, im sheeple go say "Touch not my Prophet"

First, this man relocated to the US to enjoy life (or to manage a serious health condition as some people are whispering) after spoon-feeding his church members with doctrines of wretchedness for decades ..telling them watching TV or even listening to radio is a sin

Now he is saying they should not pressure him to hand over to a successor...Senior man, after more than 50 years of leading the Church, isn't it an indictment on your leadership if you haven't groomed people worthy enough to take over the mantle? ..

Is he waiting to suddenly drop dead and by so doing, foist a leadership war that can break the church?...Or he thinks he can't suddenly die? ...Isn't it far wiser to settle any succession issues while alive than plunge the church into disarray upon his demise?

What I have learnt from this is that at the very core, human beings are the same, no matter how religious we claim to be...

Firstly, comparing church leaders with presidents of countries is grossly misleading.. Can you tell an Oba to retire from the throne (boba kan o ku, imi o le je).
You can not tell a family head to retire.
etc

Fiscus105:
If cleric can stick to small power within religion circle like this, how much more political gladiators over a nation. Africans with penchant for power!

Baba, death would force you to step down at appointed time ok

I WON'T SURPRISE IF BABA IS GROOMING HIS OWN SON TO TAKE OVER AFTER HIM, AND THE CIRCUIT CONTINUES.

Why will he step down?
Is he failing in his responsibilities?
Is he sick?
Why the talk about him stepping down or choosing a successor?
This is a spiritual matter and not politics.
Did the Pope stepdown, when he became old and sick?
We are directly or indirectly messing up Christianity with our actions and utterances.

His members only made a harmless request from their leader who at over eight years is without a doubt running out of gas and time. I don't think they asked for anything out of the ordinary, neither do I think they would be expecting a reaction with strong words like "control" "nobody" etc.

Maybe these men forget so quickly that the same people whom they don't feel obligated to today, made them. I'm sure there wouldn't have been need for this level of arrogance if there were few persons willing to listen to their messages, and even fewer persons willing to believe in them enough to make donations (untaxed!) and offer years of free services as ushers, choristers, member of the media or protocol, etc.

Emma09:
Let me prophesy According to false prophet. "I see Deeper life Bible Church breaking into pieces (Factions) Like CAC when Baba Kumuyi has gone. This is the beginning of the end of Deeper Life Bible Church.This I have seen"

Make una no dey joke with these kinda stuff

What made you think your opinion is needed here..

AWONEYAN:
This Young generation, when you give them little opportunity to the pulpit, they will start asking for leadership.

Let the young men sit down and learn. And allow God to work on them

dont just follow the crowd calm down and listen to this mans sermon you will see the difference this man used to be a lecturer why dont people know baba is very smart and the perfect man for the job look at home he answered the question

AntiChristian:
Na only company dey use the word "step down"!

Is deeper life registered with the CAC?

Seems na company!

Mtchewwwww

Well I don't really think it is such a bad thing to find a successor now. It will save them a whole lot in the future. Publicly announce a successor then gradually step aside while passing the baton to him. In the event that some persons might want to break away from the wishes of Baba when he has passed on, the congregation would be quick to keep them in line.

When you read the bible, taking successor is always a problem. It's mostly not God driven but men driven. In case of the Kings in Israel, the first Son automatically becomes the successor and sometimes it may be other son.
In case of the Priests, it's an order given by their God in an order stated by Him. Since the church is owned by their God then no problem. But in Churches today that is founded by men and claimed to be owned by men (his's or her's) then the issue of successor is never God driven but owners driven, since it's not owned by God from onset.
The owners determine how their Churches are run and the likes.
Tell me one church till date that has run successfully when the owner dies.
Religion is made by men, for men, and to men.

Sellfish:
Sir tight syndrome even in "the Lord's house"

If we ask how this man is different from Paul Biya of Cameroon, Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Assad, Stalin, and other sit-tight world leaders, im sheeple go say "Touch not my Prophet"

First, this man relocated to the US to enjoy life (or to manage a serious health condition as some people are whispering) after spoon-feeding his church members with doctrines of wretchedness for decades ..telling them watching TV or even listening to radio is a sin

Now he is saying they should not pressure him to hand over to a successor...Senior man, after more than 50 years of leading the Church, isn't it an indictment on your leadership if you haven't groomed people worthy enough to take over the mantle? ..

Is he waiting to suddenly drop dead and by so doing, foist a leadership war that can break the church?...Or he thinks he can't suddenly die? ...Isn't it far wiser to settle any succession issues while alive than plunge the church into disarray upon his demise?

What I have learnt from this is that at the very core, human beings are the same, no matter how religious we claim to be...

You are a learner , the refusal to endorse any successor is a deliberately act by these men of God. They know if they suddenly die today, their empires will be force to adopt their sons because no senior member will accept one another to take over.

So, the committee will eventually settle for their sons in order to avoid leadership crisis and shame on the church.

You cannot control him because he has plans putting his relatives there

Nigerians are over sabi (too know) they always comment on what they do not understand.

Though I'm not DL, but why is the church desperate is he older than the Pope that was called to glory recently? More so is it wrong to die a GO

Kumuyi knows what he's doing.
He's just being strategical.
At the right time, he will appoint his tribal fellow to succeed him.
When I tell people religion has been tribalized, they argue.
Oya na; we move.

Church organization is not a political organization, Moses served God till his death, Joshua served God till his death and other men of God in the Bible.I believe when his time come God will reveal his successor to him.

We all know the trend of this entrepreneurs coated with Christianity...hand over the business to his son(s)...or better still his wife...but the sheepies can't obviously see it

Sellfish:
Sir tight syndrome even in "the Lord's house"

If we ask how this man is different from Paul Biya of Cameroon, Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Assad, Stalin, and other sit-tight world leaders, im sheeple go say "Touch not my Prophet"

First, this man relocated to the US to enjoy life (or to manage a serious health condition as some people are whispering) after spoon-feeding his church members with doctrines of wretchedness for decades ..telling them watching TV or even listening to radio is a sin

Now he is saying they should not pressure him to hand over to a successor...Senior man, after more than 50 years of leading the Church, isn't it an indictment on your leadership if you haven't groomed people worthy enough to take over the mantle? ..

Is he waiting to suddenly drop dead and by so doing, foist a leadership war that can break the church?...Or he thinks he can't suddenly die? ...Isn't it far wiser to settle any succession issues while alive than plunge the church into disarray upon his demise?

What I have learnt from this is that at the very core, human beings are the same, no matter how religious we claim to be...

He was really provoked.

Kumuyi and Deeperlife has added zero value to the Nigerian society, the same with ither religion institutions.

Too bad.
You need a successor who must be groomed for the job else, it will scatter.
It his son(s) is there😎

sammiewrite:
His members only made a harmless request from their leader who at over eight years is without a doubt running out of gas and time. I don't think they asked for anything out of the ordinary, neither do I think they would be expecting a reaction with strong words like "control" "nobody" etc.

Maybe these men forget so quickly that the same people whom they don't feel obligated to today, made them. I'm sure there wouldn't have been need for this level of arrogance if there were few persons willing to listen to their messages, and even fewer persons willing to believe in them enough to make donations (untaxed!) and offer years of free services as ushers, choristers, member of the media or protocol, etc.

Only sensible comment on this thread.

Indelibleage:
Did you start the church for him? Were you or any of the church members there when God called him? Do you know the scope of his call and the assignment given to him with the time frame?

Ògá rest please and leave the man of God alone.

The whole thing tire person lol when he dey crack him head to start d church members were not there if he give his son do be it