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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 3:30pm On Aug 10, 2025
⚑JD Vance:

We're done with the funding of the Ukraine war business. We want to bring about a peaceful settlement to this thing.


Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 3:33pm On Aug 10, 2025
Gbadebo19:
So, a whole educated individual proudly stated on this thread that freedom of speech has no limits. Toor. That is the last time I will ever engage such a person. If you are a doctor, share your patient's confidential secrets with another and claim freedom of speech should allow it, and see what follows.
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That guy is something else, so somone can just wake up one morning and go on twitter and start making threats against BAT, and the DSS won't pay that individual a vist because he has freedom of speech

So I can make libel against an individual and when I am sue by the fellow I will tell the magistrate that I was only exercising my freedom of speech
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 3:34pm On Aug 10, 2025
⚑Vance says he doesn't think it will be productive to have Putin sit down with Zelensky ahead of the meeting with Trump.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by mojounited(m): 3:37pm On Aug 10, 2025
WritterNg:
⚑Pakistan’s Army Chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir:

We are a nuclear armed nation, if we think we are going down, we'll take half the world down with us.
Sounds like a reckless statement. India alone is about 1.451 billion people (2024), China at 1.409 billion. Meanwhile, the world population is adjudged to be about 8.142 billion people. Hence, one would need to add the population of the Middle East and other / all Asian countries to make up half of the world's population.

So, does it then follow that if Pakistan is losing a war against India, it plans to wipeout the entire Asia and Middle East?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m):
obedience4:
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That guy is something else, so somone can just wake up one morning and go on twitter and start making threats against BAT, and the DSS won't pay that individual a vist because he has freedom of speech

So I can make libel against an individual and when I am sue by the fellow I will tell the magistrate that I was only exercising my freedom of speech
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Like, I am beyond words...
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WritterNg: 3:50pm On Aug 10, 2025
⚑JD Vance:

Putin said that he would never sit down with Zelensky and Trump has got that to change.

We are at a point now we are scheduling when these three leaders could sit down and discuss an end to this conflict.


Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Watcharena: 4:20pm On Aug 10, 2025
mojounited:
Sounds like a reckless statement. India alone is about 1.451 billion people (2024), China at 1.409 billion. Meanwhile, the world population is adjudged to be about 8.142 billion people. Hence, one would need to add the population of the Middle East and other / all Asian countries to make up half of the world's population.

So, does it then follow that if Pakistan is losing a war against India, it plans to wipeout the entire Asia and Middle East?
Pakistan does not plan to attack the entire Middle east rather it will be series of reactions one thing leading to another when Pakistan destroy India in totality and India doing the same to them ,India will strike China just to kpai with them,the kpaing China will strike US, totally destroyed US will strike Russia, Russia will strike all NATO members except those that pull out,on the other end Pakistan will strike Israel, Israel will strike Iran,Iran will attack all Gulf nations housing US troops,the most important thing to each of them I should not kpai while my enemy is still alive,so Pakistan is right in their statement
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by nigeriansamurai(m): 4:35pm On Aug 10, 2025
WritterNg:
⚑Pakistan’s Army Chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir:

We are a nuclear armed nation, if we think we are going down, we'll take half the world down with us.
laugh don kill meπŸ˜‚

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 4:58pm On Aug 10, 2025
WritterNg:
⚑Pakistan’s Army Chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir:

We are a nuclear armed nation, if we think we are going down, we'll take half the world down with us.
Why don't you take the people that wants you to go down why include innocent people
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by nigeriansamurai(m): 5:01pm On Aug 10, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Why don't you take the people that wants you to go down why include innocent people
pakinstan...
those guy just dey normally suicidal and murderous, na isis recruitment office cool be that na.

na their women sef I dey pity pass...
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 5:25pm On Aug 10, 2025
WritterNg:
⚑JD Vance:

Putin said that he would never sit down with Zelensky and Trump has got that to change.

We are at a point now we are scheduling when these three leaders could sit down and discuss an end to this conflict.


Was it not just a few days ago that one of your πŸ„πŸ„ was saying that Putin has never ruled out a meeting with Zelensky and that it was Zelensky that was doing strong head.

Propaganda na hard job sha ooo
Na different work to look for the lie,
Na another work to find another lie to defend the previous one. The cycle never stops.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 5:31pm On Aug 10, 2025
There is no freedom of speech if you are not allowed to slander another person.
There is no freedom of speech if you are not allowed to commit sedition.
There is no freedom of speech if you are not allowed to divulge business secrets that could harm the company where you work.
There is no freedom of speech if you are not allowed to expose the medical secrets of your patient..

And the list is endless.

~ Nairaland πŸ„πŸ„πŸ„
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by mojounited(m): 5:34pm On Aug 10, 2025
Watcharena:
Pakistan does not plan to attack the entire Middle east rather it will be series of reactions one thing leading to another when Pakistan destroy India in totality and India doing the same to them ,India will strike China just to kpai with them,the kpaing China will strike US, totally destroyed US will strike Russia, Russia will strike all NATO members except those that pull out,on the other end Pakistan will strike Israel, Israel will strike Iran,Iran will attack all Gulf nations housing US troops,the most important thing to each of them I should not kpai while my enemy is still alive,so Pakistan is right in their statement
This your comment is merely a postualtion which cannot be used to reasonably defend the statement made by the Paskitan Army Chief. It cannot be related directly to what he said whatsoever.

Russia has not nuked UK or France for prividing Ukraine with Tauras missiles used to strike inside Russia. How can you remotely think such statement "...if we think we are going down, we'll take half the world down with us." would directly mean that India would attack China, then China would strike the US and Russia would then follow up with a nuke on NATO members?

Chuckles. I hope you don't think we are discussing video games here? Because I can't even begin to fathom how anyone would have such thoughts, talk less of entertaining it as a form of reality or potential outcome.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 5:54pm On Aug 10, 2025
dvkot:
Are you minding them...They tell you there's freedom of speech but you can't say some certain things.
As long as a your speech is being moderated online or offline whether you are in China, UK or USA. Then there's no freedom of speech in that country. Freedom of speech has no limits.
The clown show never stops 🀑. You can see them repeatedly modifying the definition of "freedom of speech" in other to accommodate Assange's imprisonment.

Freedom of speech should be absolute. It is either there or it is not there. There is no middle ground.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by obedience4(m): 5:57pm On Aug 10, 2025
Them suppose return your tuition fees mate!!
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No wonder they keep saying the Nigerian educational system is in shambles, look at what a suppose degree holder is scribbling

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Olatunji1929: 6:48pm On Aug 10, 2025
mojounited:
This your comment is merely a postualtion which cannot be used to reasonably defend the statement made by the Paskitan Army Chief. It cannot be related directly to what he said whatsoever.

Russia has not nuked UK or France for prividing Ukraine with Tauras missiles used to strike inside Russia. How can you remotely think such statement "...if we think we are going down, we'll take half the world down with us." would directly mean that India would attack China, then China would strike the US and Russia would then follow up with a nuke on NATO members?

Chuckles. I hope you don't think we are discussing video games here? Because I can't even begin to fathom how anyone would have such thoughts, talk less of entertaining it as a form of reality or potential outcome.
what he wrote up there is absolutely rubbish
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by sainttwist1(m): 6:52pm On Aug 10, 2025
So some people here don't understand the concept of freedom of speech........

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Maybe this is a case of selective amnesia sha or just pure hypocrisy as usual

Do forget the freedom of speech in north Korea tooπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 7:03pm On Aug 10, 2025
obedience4:
Them suppose return your tuition fees mate!!
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No wonder they keep saying the Nigerian educational system is in shambles, look at what a suppose degree holder is scribbling

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Using AI to decide on the absoluteness of freedom of speech in order to justify your bias is not going to your position. And throwing yabs from the sidelines isn’t going to help either.

β€œFreedom of speech is the right to communicate one's opinions and ideas without government censorship or restraint.β€œ

When a government begins to use laws to counter your opinions and ideas, do we still call that freedom of speech? The answer is no. So, freedom of speech should be absolute.

Governments either allow people the right to communicate their opinions and ideas without needing to come in to censor it, or they do not. There is no middle ground.

With that said, your statement about freedom of speech not being absolute is not universally agreed upon. So, don’t try to make it appear as if it is.

The screenshot below is a real human-written webpage that clearly states that β€œSome do not regard freedom of speech as absolute.”

You are among those β€œsome.” Meanwhile, I am not as I regard it as being absolute. The joke is on you.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FXtrader2025: 7:12pm On Aug 10, 2025
WritterNg:
⚑Pakistan’s Army Chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir:

We are a nuclear armed nation, if we think we are going down, we'll take half the world down with us.
The Samson Option
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by SonOfWords(m): 7:27pm On Aug 10, 2025
No, freedom of speech cannot be and is not ABSOLUTE in any society the world over. It is a recipe for swift chaos and you don't even need internet-sourced materials to discuss this, common sense is enough.

The difference lies in the methods and extents of implementation of checks and balances by various governments, which anyone in his right senses knows you can never draw a parallel line between the North Korean approach and that of the United States.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by 23jerryking(m): 7:30pm On Aug 10, 2025
Gbadebo19:
So, a whole educated individual proudly stated on this thread that freedom of speech has no limits. Toor. That is the last time I will ever engage such a person. If you are a doctor, share your patient's confidential secrets with another and claim freedom of speech should allow it, and see what follows.
And more concerning is the fact that this claims are coming from the camp of the "intelligent ones".
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by 23jerryking(m): 7:32pm On Aug 10, 2025
obedience4:
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That guy is something else, so somone can just wake up one morning and go on twitter and start making threats against BAT, and the DSS won't pay that individual a vist because he has freedom of speech

So I can make libel against an individual and when I am sue by the fellow I will tell the magistrate that I was only exercising my freedom of speech
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You'll understand whether the same constitution that granted you the freedom of speech can as well guarantee your safety after the speech
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 7:33pm On Aug 10, 2025
23jerryking:
And more concerning is the fact that this claims are coming from the camp of the "intelligent ones".
With today's discussion, even pro Russians are totally aghast and disappointed in fellow pro Russians. grin grin grin

Writterng, sonofwords, IMEI and Studybarn go dey one corner, hands on chin like this they shake head say: See the kain people wey dey support us. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Jesus wept and declared: IT IS FINISHED!!!!
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 7:41pm On Aug 10, 2025
SonOfWords:
No, freedom of speech cannot be and is not ABSOLUTE in any society the world over. It is a recipe for swift chaos and you don't even need internet-sourced materials to discuss this, common sense is enough.

The difference lies in the methods and extents of implementation of checks and balances by various governments, which anyone in his right senses knows you can never draw a parallel line between the North Korean approach and that of the United States.
By your first paragraph, are you implying that the poster you are referring to does n🚫t have komon sëñße? Na honest question ooo grin grin

Even though say na r🚫biß you talk by bringing checks and balance into the equation, we will at least agree that u are n🚫t totally løst in Hades. There is still some hope of redemption.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dvkot(m): 7:43pm On Aug 10, 2025
obedience4:
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That guy is something else, so somone can just wake up one morning and go on twitter and start making threats against BAT, and the DSS won't pay that individual a vist because he has freedom of speech

So I can make libel against an individual and when I am sue by the fellow I will tell the magistrate that I was only exercising my freedom of speech
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
But you consider threats against Putin or xi freedom of speech?
America are arresting people protesting against esreal is that also freedom of speech?

How many social media arrest has UK made and compare that to Russia or China

How many opposition opponents have EU arrested so far? Is that the freedom.

How many individuals have had bank accounts closed in the name of protecting the information space.

So again tell me what someone in UK can do that someone in China/Russia cannot do in the name of free speech
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Blakjewelry(m): 7:43pm On Aug 10, 2025
Watcharena:
Pakistan does not plan to attack the entire Middle east rather it will be series of reactions one thing leading to another when Pakistan destroy India in totality and India doing the same to them ,India will strike China just to kpai with them,the kpaing China will strike US, totally destroyed US will strike Russia, Russia will strike all NATO members except those that pull out,on the other end Pakistan will strike Israel, Israel will strike Iran,Iran will attack all Gulf nations housing US troops,the most important thing to each of them I should not kpai while my enemy is still alive,so Pakistan is right in their statement
Reckless analysis. Only 2 or 3 nations have plan in place in case of a situation where the head is cut off.

Russia and the US have emergency protocol to safeguard the president incase they were taken unaware plus they have automated some of the process of retaliation so hitting them definitely means they are going to respond.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Blakjewelry(m): 7:45pm On Aug 10, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Why don't you take the people that wants you to go down why include innocent people
Perhaps he doesn't even understand what he is talking about.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by SonOfWords(m): 7:46pm On Aug 10, 2025
Gbadebo19:
By your first paragraph, are you implying that the poster you are referring to does n🚫t have komon sëñße? Na honest question ooo grin grin

Even though say na r🚫biß you talk by bringing checks and balance into the equation, we will at least agree that u are n🚫t totally løst in Hades. There is still some hope of redemption.
I'll ignore the condescending tone in your second paragraph just for the benefit of this discourse, but was it not in your eutopic America that the FBI was kicking down civilian doors over mere social media posts and comments?

Whether you chose to call it checks/balances or regulations, it addresses the same issue of all world governments cracking down on what they consider to be "abuse of that right and/or dissent".
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 7:49pm On Aug 10, 2025
I see our pro-West folks have been running pillar to post over the past few days after a video emerged of a person being arrested over a statement they made at an event hosted in one of the β€œfree speech” EU countries.

The funny part of the video was that they were being arrested as EU president, von der Leyen, was saying they would have been arrested for making such statements if they were in Russia. Is that not ironic?

Ever since, our friends here have been trying to redefine β€œfreedom of speech” in order to excuse the injustices and flagrant disregard of freedom of speech by the US and EU. They have even gone on to justify the imprisonment of Julian Assange who exposed war crimes the US committed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Someone should tell them they are trying too hard and should call it a day.

That said, this is a link to the video for those interested in seeing the clown show between Leyen and the man who was arrested:
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