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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Emusan(m): 11:35am On Aug 14, 2025 |
Janosky:So reading that screenshot, your conclusion is that AI said "Jesus is the FIRSTBORN and created by God" Or you're just being sarcastic? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 12:38pm On Aug 14, 2025 |
Round 9 Subtopic: Jesus Christ is Subject to the Father Even as a Divine Being The Bible teaches that even after being exalted and glorified, Jesus remains under the authority of the Father. His divinity is derived, not independent. 1 Corinthians 15:27–28 says that when all things are put under Christ, He Himself will be subject to God, who put all things under Him. The bible made us to understand that the head of Christ is God”. Jesus came to do the will of Him who sent Him, not His own. Jesus himself declared that the one who is sent is not greater than the sender and the Father is greater than I. Revelation 3:12 shows the glorified Jesus talking about "his God" four times. The revelation was given to Him by God as seen in Revelation 1:1. Psalm 110:1 (quoted in Acts 2:34–36) shows the Father saying, “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool” — proving His reign is granted by the Father and it is the will of God the Father to make his enemies his footstool. Thus, even as a divine being, Jesus is under the Father, which aligns with the main topic that the Father is one God over all. Key verses: 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 HCSB [27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 11:3 HCSB [3] But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ. John 6:38 HCSB [38] For I have come down from heaven, not to do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 13:16 HCSB [16] “I assure you: A slave is not greater than his master, and a messenger is not greater than the one who sent him. [16] Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. John 14:28 LSB [28] You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Revelation 3:12 LSB [12] He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he will never go out from it anymore. And I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. Revelation 1:1 LSB [1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His slaves the things which must soon happen; and He indicated this by sending it through His angel to His slave John, Psalm 110:1 LSB [1] Yahweh says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I put Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet.” Acts 2:34-36 LSB [34] For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, [35] Until I put Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet.” ’ [36] Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.” Do you agree Image123? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 6:16pm On Aug 14, 2025 |
Boomark:Round 8 result from here. Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0pmZ5Uof4A Again, it says that i won but who cares about AI except you. My consistent point bringing it up is not to show you that i won. i don't need AI for that. The is clear, AI is not a reliable judge or foundation to rely on. You elevated it above humans and perhaps as your god when it clearly states that it can make mistakes. AI can be subject to what you feed it. AI is GIGO. AI's default program doesn't favour Trinity. This and more i tried telling you but who were/are deaf to reason. You kept accusing me of lying, that you don't trust my screenshot or me, that i should make video, to my videos were not clear enough for you, to accusing me of manipulating AI. You kept changing prompt to use, complained of things like using Mr A and B to replace our usernames, to putting subtopic, to putting claim, to putting brackets. The same you who claim AI is so great and will give the right judgment. The same you who wanted discussion between two people. Started disturbing other people's mentions to come to your aid.  Now, the thread is free for all. All your rules and prompts. Now is to attack and question my AI, when you could no longer give excuses about prompts. i don't have need or interest to question your AI as i already said so from beginning. The joke is on you who took AI as unquestionable and unfailing. If i was so jobless, i can also start marking your AI remarks and rebutting . My guy rebut me, he still rebut AI join. If you are a serious person and truly after knowledge, you will employ some objectivity and critical thinking in AI's remarks to help you. You'll observe carefully what it consistently says about the rules. What is important. Are the Bible rules followed, is Image123 using the Bible. Not unseriousness like scoring brownie points for self made subtopics and such frivolous things your AI often uses as your edge. Think |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 8:28pm On Aug 14, 2025 |
Image123:I don't care too. Go and tell us who is the God of God the Father. Stop acting as you didn't see this. https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/5#136434076 People who mock and insult God the Father because of antichrist their master want me to discuss with them, so they can teach me that God the Father has a God. Oya start teaching.
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Julia25(f): 8:43am On Aug 15, 2025 |
Whew, this is a long debate. Let me grab a popcorn and see how it ends🍿. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Julia25(f): 12:13pm On Aug 15, 2025 |
Boomark:80-0?   how did this come about? Did you prove Jesus is not God? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 1:40pm On Aug 15, 2025 |
Julia25:Alternate results from the same AI here though. https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136290793 |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Julia25(f): 2:45pm On Aug 15, 2025 |
It was exhausting going through both AI scorings, trying to make sense of what both sides aimed to show. Boomark's main point is that Jesus has a God hence he is not God, along with other sub-topics. Image123 points is to show through scripture that Jesus is God along with other sub-topics. Using the same queries gave me different scores, hence using AI as an absolute judge is not really expedient. This case is like the famous case of that AI that was built to detect tanks in low brightness settings but was rather checking for contrast. While you both want AI to judge, the Ai is just checking for coherence and other technicalities. You both are like the US government that trusted that old AI system, for the sake of detecting "tanks",spiritual truth, but it ended up just checking for contrast—coherence and semantics—"clever Hans" effect. I will contribute to the discussion later when I have tried to reconcile each points in their best forms🤔. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 3:08pm On Aug 15, 2025 |
Julia25:My exact point Ms. i don't need the AI, i told him the flaws before and told him to rather have a mind to discuss and understand, as that would be more profitable. Since he insisted on scoring brownie points, i showed him proof of what i was saying about AI giving different and even opposite takes on the same prompts and text. i just put them there for objective readers, and anyone that applies the brain to a little bit of critical thinking will see and observe what you just wrote. Thanks. 1 Like |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 10:24pm On Aug 15, 2025*. Modified: 7:21pm On Aug 24, 2025 |
Julia25:The bolded is not my stand. See the summary of my stand in this scripture. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV [4] ...” We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him. I believe that Jesus is a God. Moses was made a God to Pharaoh, Exodus 7:1. The bible made it clear. Even though there are those who are called Gods in heaven and on earth, they all have One God and their God is the Father. This includes Jesus Christ. These scriptures are where Jesus called the Father his God (John 20:17, Hebrew 1:9, (Psalm 40:6-7+Hebrew 10:6-  , Revelation 3:12).0I'm against those who lump up one God as 3 persons. And they forgot to add Moses and make it 4. From the screenshot you can see that my position cannot be countered but was supported. What I get is not truly a rebuttal but mostly parallel claim. How then can someone still go ahead and say that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons? It is impossible to twist "One God," who is the Father so they used just the word "God." The Father who alone is a one God over all cannot fit into the trinity equation. The Father alone is One God. He doesn't share it with 2 other persons that serve him. Ask your yourself who is one God according to the scripture above? Is it 3 persons? Who is one God in Deuteronomy 6:4? Is it 3 persons? Who is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Israelites who glorified Jesus, Acts 3:13? Is it 3 persons? Besides the Holy spirit was never called a God anywhere in the scripture. So triniity is questionable. The instructions you feed the Ai is in the op. I quoted and bolded them. The 1st one is the general rule. Start on a fresh page. Tell it not to say anything about the rule yet until the next post. After this you don't need to post the rules again and again.The 2nd one is where you put the the claim and rebuttal. You use this one for judging each round. Make sure they are in the bracket. You can watch round 1 result to see how it was done.
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 1:40pm On Aug 16, 2025*. Modified: 3:01pm On Aug 16, 2025 |
Boomark:Your subtopic has been virtually the same thing, paraphrased in different words. It appears you are more interested in saying the same thing, that the Father is God, than in profitable engagement and understanding. There is no Christian who doesn't say that the Father is God; it is not an argument or a claim not similarly held by others. You should be trying to tell or discuss why you think Jesus is not God or that the Spirit is not God. Instead, you have quietly agreed that Jesus is divine but sidestepped telling us how divine. Is He divine as a servant and prophet like Moses and Image123 to you, or divine as in GOD the Son? Your claims in your rounds below so far; Round 1- The Father is God over all Round 3- Jesus Christ has a God. His God is the Father Round 5- Jesus Christ is the servant of God the Father. Round 7- Jesus Christ is a prophet of God Round 9- Jesus Christ is Subject to the Father Even as a Divine Being This is the same claim that you have made using synonyms. Maybe your next round 11 claim will be that Jesus is a messenger or a representative. It's still the same thing. Kindly raise the level of discussion. You can't continuously raise what everyone agrees to and ask me to rebut it. Look at the entire Bible contextually, and not just in patches. The Bible teaches that even after being exalted and glorified, Jesus remains under the authority of the Father. His divinity is derived, not independent.Aside from Jesus being glorified from being a servant, which is exemplary to all christians and a promise that God exalts the humble, Jesus stated that He had this glory before He came to earth as a servant. The fact is that Jesus is divine/God. No one argues whether it is derived or independent. What the Bible shows is that Jesus is divine, and had both divine attributes and titles. Joh_17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Jesus said that He had this glory before the world was formed. Philippians 2 teaches that He gave up this glory, humbled Himself and became a servant, and that God exalted Him. These are clear steps. It was a clear and united decision. Joh_10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. He could have chosen not to do His Father's will, He could have spoken about equality with the Father but chose not to. (Philippians 2v6). He specifically said that He(I) will raise up His body when destroyed in 3 days. These were not words of helplessness or having no option. Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Who is the I that raised up the body? GOD. It should be straightforward if He said that the Father will raise it up. He said I have power to take it again, and He did. In Titus, we are told that HE gave Himself for us. It was very much voluntary. Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it So clearly, Jesus had glory, He humbled Himself, and was glorified. It was all FOR US, humans. For us to follow His steps, like i previously quoted. Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 1Pe_2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: All these are besides the point of His divinity, different from any other being, like being worshipped and receiving worship or in His deeds as creating the world, and others we have previously mentioned and will still mention. Heb_1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Jesus is clearly stated and shown as divine, and that is why He is referred to as God the Son in teaching. He said that He and the Father are one. So we don't teach that there are different Gods, but that God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son are one. Whatever you think one means, our teaching is very clear and scriptural, and that is that the Father and the Son are one. We don't gloss over these facts or forget for argument sake or just because He lived as a humble servant. Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one. And BTW, the John 13v16 you quoted, though rather two layered in interpretation, was more in context referring to the disciples as servants. The disciples were to follow the example of their Lord Jesus, who had just demonstrated example of servanthood in washing their feet. Revelation 3:12 shows the glorified Jesus talking about "his God" four times. The revelation was given to Him by God as seen in Revelation 1:1.Jesus referred to the Father as God and the Father referred to Jesus as God. It was never a contest. Such is seen in Hebrews and the Psalms. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. The Psalm quoted here refers to Elohim. So if Jesus Christ is the one spoken of as "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever", the parallel suggestion is that He is Elohim as that was the word used. As i have said, let's not take these things in isolation but the Bible as a whole in better understanding. Key verses: All in KJV as usual. Joh_17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Joh_10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body. Joh 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 1Pe_2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Heb_1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one. Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psa 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 2:14pm On Aug 16, 2025 |
Round 10 Subtopic: Jesus is a part of the Godhead and therefore fully God. CLAIM: The Bible explicitly states that in Jesus Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. He is also head of ALL principality and power. As a result, Jesus is not a weakened "part" of God but rather possesses all of God's attributes. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus is not a "separate god" but is eternally united with the Father (John 10:30, "I and the Father are one"  .Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; God is said to possess eternal power and Godhead. No human being or angel possesses this in the Bible, only God. It's clear that Jesus is God for Him to be said to have the fullness of the Godhead. Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. The Bible teaches us that God is one. (Deuteronomy 6:4). The same Bible has clearly shown that Jesus Christ is God and fully part of the Godhead. (John 1) All fulness dwell in Jesus Key Verses: All KJV as usual. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. Do you agree Boomark? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 10:52pm On Aug 16, 2025 |
Image123:Truth is always straight forward. That's why you support most of my claims. I haven't even told you that he is the priest of God forever. All these are to show you that he is not equal to the Father. You started using divine and I decided to use it small and you are not happy. All the time you were using it you tell me if he is divine as Moses. He is divine as a servant of his God, as a priest of priest of his God, as a Mighty God. Which one is I quietly agree that Jesus is a God. Go to my last thread at the op you will see where I said he is a God but not God Almighty and not his equal. The Father also called Moses a God when he made him a God to Pharaoh. All who are called God are not in anyway equal to their God who is the Father, the only true God and One God over all. But the way, you are not really talking about trinity. All your claims should involve the 3 person that formed the trinity not 1 or 2. God is not 3 person. Anybody can be called a God. As idol worshipers call on their own wooden sculpture a God. You don't expect them to write god for the deity they serve. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 5:41am On Aug 17, 2025 |
Round 9 Result Boomark: -5 points Image123: +15 point Image123: 0 + 10 points for claimant avoided the point (from rule 3 in scoring) Boomark: -5 (avoided the point) Final score Boomark: -5 points Image123: +15 points Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wVEQHtgGGU Also, watch the updated cumulative. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5tv9pyE47nM
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 1:49pm On Aug 17, 2025 |
Image123:Wow congratulations on your out of point award. Now let me destroyed the little one I have seen. I would like everyone to see how you and your AI are talking out of point. The subtopic is focused " Jesus' Subjection" to the Father even a diety/divine being according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 and other scriptures. What you should have done is to counter it and tell us no he is not subject to anyone but equal to the Father and Holy spirit. You left that and started talking about humility and his deity which never counted the fact that he is subject to the Father even as a God. Your AI want me to leave my subtopic and start talking about divinity. Out of point result is what you posted. The 2nd screenshot is from my own results. This is how it should be. You can't say 'pim' against those 2 scriptures that are foundation to my subtopic.
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 11:07pm On Aug 17, 2025 |
Round 9 Result Boomark: +10 points Image123: 0 point Any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring) Image123: -5 Boomark: +5 Final score Boomark: +15 points Image123: -5 points Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzawoI3NLFk?si=kFWGYlVgqqR2XUEr
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 11:26pm On Aug 17, 2025 |
Images123 please I want to take permission. I will be occupied tomorrow and next tomorrow.Thabgt5 you |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Janosky: 12:51pm On Aug 18, 2025 |
FxMasterz:Greek rendition of 1 Timothy 3:16 "HE/WHO/WHICH was manifest...... Is Godliness a person in 1 Timothy 3:16? Oga, why are you lying ? Please stop deceiving yourself . FxMasterz:Are you now convinced that [b]WHO is the correct rendition of 1 Timothy 3:16 that janosky pointed out to you? ?  Godliness is not a person ,except you prefer to deceive yourself .[/b] |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 6:56pm On Aug 18, 2025 |
Boomark:Lolz, it's so funny yet pathetic. Why the cowardice? You cut out some of my post just to score yourself. Your self deceit is now obvious to readers. One might have assumed you were ignorant before, or maybe deceived by your denomination. But your behaviour has shown it's deeper, you are actively involved in deceiving yourself. As usual, i have proven what i severally stated, AI is GIGO, AI can be wrong, AI responds to what you feed it, AI can also be manipulated to avoid critical thinking. i hope you remember this is at least the third time you have failed to respond to claims within your given law/time. Act blind as usual, score the ones you want to score manually, feed AI the one you want. The childishness is amusing. May God help you. 1 Like
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 7:01pm On Aug 18, 2025 |
Boomark:No problem from my end. Be more thoughtful not to make rules that you can't follow. i will wait. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 7:07pm On Aug 18, 2025 |
Boomark:i love that summary from you "The rebuttal proved Jesus's divinity and glory", that settles it. You can laminate the remaining funny technicalities. Imagine someone who consistently falsely accused me of blaming AI has been lamenting about me and MY AI. LoLz at My AI. 2Th 2:10 EasyEnglish This very bad man will also do all kinds of bad things. He will cause bad people to believe what is not true. So, God will certainly kill those bad people. Those bad people will believe false things because they refused to love the true message. They refused to love the true message so that God could save them. 2Th 2:11 EasyEnglish For this reason, God causes them to believe wrong things very easily and very strongly. So then they will believe what is not true. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 2:45pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
Image123:I was like how did I make a mistake and I went back to check what happened that's I realised and remembered that I was dealing with a deceitful being. This was what I cut off. This was your advice on how all my subtopics are saying the same thing. It has nothing to do with rebutting the subtopic. And you are here shouting as if all your hope to win is dependent on your listing of all my subtopics. My AI doesn't tolerate nonsense. It will tag you as talking out of point. The antichrist spirit want to deceive people to think I actually cut out something useful to the subtopic of discussion. Continue being desperate while I point out all of it.
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 2:57pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
Image123:Oya let's see those who believe wrong things. And always talking out of point. You said God the Father has a God. Now tell us who is the God of God the Father. https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136310247 You have dodged this question severally or are you now ashamed of what you wrote.
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| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 3:28pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
Boomark:Lolz, Boomark knows exactly what his AI tolerates. And this 2 months and a half experienced user of AI claims AI cannot be influenced by what it is fed. He also knows exactly what to cut out from your post and what to feed AI. On this same thread, this fellow complained about pasting "claim", and subtopics and brackets. SMH. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 3:32pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
Boomark:"The rebuttal proved Jesus's divinity and glory", let that sink in. You quoted/screenshot my answer already dear. Reminds me of when the Truth was standing right in front of Pilate, and the fellow was still asking "what is truth". LoLz |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Image123(m): 3:34pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
i believe you are free enough now to read through Round 10 and go ahead. Or you are still very busy prompting and reprompting ChatGPT? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 7:39pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
Image123:Rebuttal The word Godhead means divine nature, not that Jesus is the Almighty God Himself. Godhead belongs to the head of Christ. It belongs to the Father. It is the nature of God which he gives to his servants or believers. Romans 1:20 - “…even his eternal power and Godhead [divine nature]…” — here says, "his power and his Godhead - showing that Godhead is God’s nature and it belongs to God the Father. Acts 17:29 – “…we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone…” This clearly means divine nature, not a “three-in-one God.” The word does not prove “Trinity,” it simply points to God’s divine nature. Jesus received fullness from God. it was given, not self-possessed. Colossians 1:19 GNT [19] [b]For it was by God's own decision [/b]that the Son has in himself the full nature of God. Colossians 2:9 says, “In Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” It was God the Father's decision give Him this fullness. If Jesus were Almighty God by nature, He would not need to be “given” the fullness of God. Believers are also promised to be filled with fullness of God. Ephesians 3:19 – “…that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.” This shows “fullness of God” does not make one Almighty God or equal to God the Father. Believers share in divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), yet remain subject to God. Just as Jesus was given fullness by the Father, we too may be filled with God’s fullness. “I and My Father are one” (John 10:30) refers to unity of purpose. See scripture that explains it better. John 17:21-22 HCSB [21] May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. [22] ... May they be one as We are one. The same word “one” is used for Christ, the Father, and believers — proving it means unity, and not that we are equal to Jesus or God the Father. Even in His exalted state, Jesus is still subject to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:27–28). In Revelation 3:12 – Jesus calls the Father “my God” four times, even after glorification. Therefore, the verses used to claim Jesus is “fully God” actually show that the Father, the one and only true God, gave Him divine fullness to fulfill His role of doing the will of God — and the Father remains greater than all. Key verses: Romans 1:20 NIV [20] For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Colossians 1:19 GNT [19] For it was by God's own decision [/b]that the Son has in himself the full nature of God. John 10:30 HCSB [30] The Father and I are one.” John 17:21-22 HCSB [21] May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. [22] I have given them the glory You have given Me. [b]May they be one as We are one. Acts 17:29 HCSB [29] Being God’s offspring then, we shouldn’t think that the divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image fashioned by human art and imagination. Colossians 2:9 HCSB [9] For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ, Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV [18] I pray that you [/b]may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, [b]so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. 2 Peter 1:4 AMP [4] For by these He has bestowed on us His precious and magnificent promises [of inexpressible value], so that by them you may escape from the immoral freedom that is in the world because of disreputable desire, and become sharers of the divine nature. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 HCSB [27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all. Revelation 3:12 HCSB [12] The victor: I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he will never go out again. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God — the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God — and My new name. 1 Corinthians 11:3 NRSV [3] But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 7:55pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
Image123:Even during the days of frosbel, Goshen360, italo and co around 2015, 2016, you are no match for me. There was no AI then. Whenever I say "brace yourself like a man I have question for you and you must answer." You and all those believing falsehood will disappear. You are free to go through my previous posts and threads and see how I terrorise laryas. So you can't deceive people by using AI as your only hope of having something to say against me. My first trinity thread was in 2016. So you are seeing unrebuttable reinforcement to what I have known already. Continue lamenting. |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 8:00pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
Image123:Why are you so afraid to answer the question? We know the Father is the God of Jesus Christ. So who is the God of the Father, since you said the Father also has a God? |
| Re: Bible Challenge On Trinity. Boomark And Image123 by Boomark(op): 12:53am On Aug 20, 2025*. Modified: 10:54pm On Aug 23, 2025 |
Round 10 Result Boomark: +10 points Image123: 0 point Any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring) Image123: -5 Boomark: +5 Final score Boomark: +15 points Image123: -5points Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFlntrR2vzQ?si=ho9VRzxevqXc8ScS
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