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| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 5:41pm On Aug 09, 2025 |
doffman:You are using outdated chatGPT, nothing like gospel of Moses! The quran says question those reading the Torah and Injeel, who are the people reading these book?
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| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 12:11pm On Aug 10, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:😂😂😂😂 no wonder you believe an edited bible . I will catch you now : Literally , What is the meaning of gospel ? And combine it with Moses , what does it refer to ? E be like say you want to use that to escape and you cannot escape because I will catch you red handed . Gospel of Moses literally , is also called Torah . It is not a must for you to believe that , after all, you believe the Paul who mislead you nah , and you also believe that one man who was nailed will save you . Ahaa Now, before I finish you 😂 , do you agree injeel is for real Jesus and Torah is for Moses ? Yes or no . This is the bone of contention Quran that told us that there is existence of Injeel for ISA (pbuh) and Torah for Moses (pbuh) also confirmed to us that those books are corrupted . You can cry . I can also show you evidences from your manmade bible that it was corrupted . So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to those for what their hands have written, and woe to those for what they have earned'. (Quran 2:79) Who are those using those corrupted books?
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| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 8:02am On Aug 11, 2025 |
doffman:There is no book on earth called GOSPEL OF MOSES, you can see from the genuine and correct updated chatGPT! Question those reading Torah and Injeel, who are those reading Torah and Injeel is the question?
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| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 2:02pm On Aug 11, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:You sha want to stylishly deviating from the topic so that you will escape your embarrassment. 😂 I must expose you totally in this forum like i did to your colleague in your man made religion 😂 Since you can’t understand literal meaning , oya , is injeel for real Jesus and Torah for Moses ? Yes or no ? I repeat , Who are those using those corrupted books? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 5:25pm On Aug 11, 2025 |
doffman:You don't believe in our Jesus that was crucified and resurrected so leave him and let's talk about the Injeel given to your Quran Isa and Moses. My question is on the Injeel that was given to your own Isa whom you believed in! First of all, there is no book on earth called GOSPEL OF MOSES, you can see from the genuine and correct updated chatGPT! Question those reading Torah and Injeel, who are those reading Torah and Injeel is the question? Who are the people reading these books |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by Ohyoudidnt: 10:02pm On Aug 11, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS: doffman:This is more likely a never ending discussion so why have it for this long. Isn't there any better use of your time even if spare? The Qurʾan’s Place in Relation to Earlier Scripture and its Conversation with the People of the Book Discussions of the Qurʾan’s relationship to earlier scripture are never just about texts; they are about memory, authority, and the way communities understand their place in the sweep of history. For Muslims, the Torah and Gospel belong to the same divine conversation, but one that over centuries has been interrupted, altered, and partially forgotten. The Qurʾān, then, presents itself as both a bridge to that ancient discourse and its final word. The Qurʾān does not pretend that the Torah or the Gospel were irrelevant precursors it actually affirms their divine origin outright. Still, it makes a striking claim: this is the final message, the capstone of a long series of revelations. In Q 5:48, it describes itself as “confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it.” That’s not just poetic; it’s a statement that the Qurʾān sees itself both as the continuation of an ancient tradition and as the judge of its present form. A similar logic appears in Q 16:101 and Q 2:106, where God is said to replace older directives with new ones that are, in some way, more fitting. That replacement principle is tied to a critique from the Qurʾān’s perspective, earlier revelations did not survive entirely intact. Some parts were forgotten, others obscured, and most seriously some were altered by human hands. Q 2:79 even warns about those who “write the Scripture with their own hands” and then pass it off as divine. This isn’t framed as a petty accusation; it’s part of the Qurʾān’s explanation for why fresh guidance was necessary. And yet, the Qurʾān’s tone toward the Ahl al-Kitāb the “People of the Book,” meaning Jews and Christians isn’t always combative. It can be sharp; yes, but also oddly invitational. In Q 2:91, they’re quoted as saying, “We believe only in what was revealed to us,” a stance that ignores later revelation even when it confirms truths they still hold. Q 3:70–71 pushes harder, accusing some of knowingly twisting or concealing what they know. The irony is that, in other places, the Prophet is told to appeal to them as a kind of corroborating witness. Q 10:94 instructs him, should doubt creep in, to “ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you.” Q 16:43 says something similar about consulting “the People of the Reminder.” These lines aren’t concessions; they’re rhetorical maneuvers. The point is that the Qurʾān’s message sits squarely in the same lineage as earlier God-given texts, and those who know those texts (at least the parts still preserved) ought to see the connection. So what emerges is a layered picture, almost like a conversation with history. The Qurʾān honors the sacred beginnings of the Torah and Gospel, critiques the changes and losses that have shaped their current forms, asserts its own position as the last and most authoritative revelation, challenges the People of the Book for rejecting it, and when it suits the argument calls them as witnesses. It is, in its own telling, not merely the continuation of the Abrahamic tradition, but its conclusion and its correction. |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 12:53pm On Aug 12, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:😂😂 you are still avoiding the main topic ahaa. Is Torah given to Moses yes or no Do you also believe in Quran that make a reference to the real injeel given to real Jesus and Torah given to moses ? If you believe in that above , the same Quran also said those books have been corrupted . Infact, quran talk specifically about your forefathers Christians who edited your bible : Quran 5:14 And from those who say, “We are Christians,” We took their covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they had been commanded to uphold. So We let hostility and enmity arise between them until the Day of Judgment, and soon Allah will inform them of all they have done. So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to those for what their hands have written, and woe to those for what they have earned'. (Quran 2:79) Now, that your man made bible has been confirmed by Quran that your book has been , corrupted , I challenge you to convince me that your book did not corrupt nah ? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 1:15pm On Aug 12, 2025 |
doffman:Is it Muhammad Torah was given to if not Moses? There is nothing like gospel of Moses! You're diligently avoiding my question, well that's Islam for you I believe in quran that says you should question those reading real Torah and Injeel as you said in your statement WHO ARE THOSE READING REAL TORAH AND INJEEL? will you answer now? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 1:58pm On Aug 12, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:This one just dey shout of gospel of Moses ahaa 😂😂😂😂 Go back to my write up I refer gospel of Moses as Torah . You are a Paul follower and it is not a must for you to believe it nah ; after all , you believe your god was nailed . I repeat , since you understand Torah , I now ask , did you believe Torah given to Moses ? Yes or no ? Paul follower , why are you stylishly avoiding your embarrassment nah 😂 Those that read the real Torah and real injeel are true follower of ISA and Moses and they did not know anything about your Christianity religion . The real injeel and real Torah were edited by your people . Now open challenge: [b]Good that you believe that Quran made a reference to existence of injeel and Torah and I am now questioning you, Do you believe your bible is corrupted , yes or no ? Defend your self , is bible corrupt or not ? Why are you afraid to defend your man made religion ?😂😂 |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 8:41am On Aug 13, 2025 |
doffman:There is NO book called Gospel of Moses! Yes I believe in Torah given to Moses! WHO ARE THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF MOSES and ISA? according to what you said here Those that read the real Torah and real injeel are true follower of ISA and Moses and they did not know anything about your Christianity religion . The real injeel and real Torah were edited by your people If you like you can put REAL ISA and REAL MOSES! You will answer my question! |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 10:24am On Aug 13, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:Lolz 😜 Since you believe in Torah given to Moses , good for that ; you are progressing and I also believe you believe in your own man made bible as well . Now , open your bible and go to Genesis 38:9-10 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. As your book reported it , do you still believe in the above verse ? And beside , who is right between the Onan that refused for the action and the your god in your bible that order for his demise ? Do you still believe in such man made book ? 😂 In addition , and I repeat , those that read the real injeel and Torah follow both Jesus and Moses respectively to worship only one God ; they do not know anything about your man made Christianity invented by Paul and other people . Read Quran 61:14 O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah, as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, “Who are my supporters for Allah?” The disciples said, “We are supporters of Allah.” And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant. There are good people that follow ISA (pbuh) to worship only one God and there are bad people that did not follow him and even corrupted the injeel . |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:30pm On Aug 13, 2025 |
doffman:All these long stories haven't answered my question WHO ARE THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF MOSES and ISA? Tell us there identities, tell us there religion! |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:40pm On Aug 13, 2025 |
Ohyoudidnt:Will you help this boy doffman answering this: Tell us the religion of those reading the real torah given to Moses and real Injeel given to Isa? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 11:15am On Aug 14, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:😂😂😂😂 see a Paul follower stylishly avoid my challenge about her bible corrupted . While are you disgracing your religion bayiii ahaa Let me show you again before I pass my judgement on you ahaa : Now , open your bible again and go to Genesis 38:9-10 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. And beside , who is right between the Onan that refused for the action and the your god in your bible that order for his demise ? Do you still believe in such corrupted verse ? 😂 The real follower ISA (Pbuh) are these : you can cry o Read Quran 61:14 O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah, as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, “Who are my supporters for Allah?” The disciples said, “We are supporters of Allah.” And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant. Thank God you know you are not among the follower of real Jesus . Rather, you chose to be a Paul follower 😂 Na you chose to follow Paul nah 🤓 and no be our fault o. |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 11:19am On Aug 14, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:See a run away Paul follower that cannot defend her corrupted bible 😂🙈 Is your book not corrupted , yes or no ? I told you already , you are not qualify . |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by lslamVIRGINS: 11:40am On Aug 14, 2025 |
doffman:Leave my book and let's focus on what you have in quran Tell us the religion of those reading the real torah given to Moses and real Injeel given to your Isa? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by lslamVIRGINS: 11:43am On Aug 14, 2025 |
doffman:Leave Bible alone for now and let's focus on what you have in Quran! What's the religion of those reading the real torah given to Moses and real Injeel given to the real Isa? If you like give another name to your Isa, I will make sure you answer my question. |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 12:10pm On Aug 14, 2025 |
lslamVIRGINS:😀😀😀 we cannot leave your bible alone oo It must be exposed . Gen 19:36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[a]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi[b]; he is the father of the Ammonites[c] of today. Is Lot , the prophet of God really impregnated his daughters according to your man made bible ? 😀😀😀 Ye or no |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 12:13pm On Aug 14, 2025 |
lslamVIRGINS:How can we leave the corrupted bible alone 😀😀 No nah , na you want to know and you must be aware of it . Gen 19:36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[a]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today. Is this true ? Mis non virgin ahaaa |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:37pm On Aug 14, 2025 |
doffman:What's the religion of those reading the real torah given to Moses and real Injeel given to the real Isa? Should I give you options? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 9:20am On Aug 15, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:😂😂 This one has been been tutored . So you can even defend your man made religion ahaaa. You must answer my question and you must see how your book is corrupted 😂 Gen 19:36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today. Is this true ? Miss non virgin ahaaa Quran 3:52-53 When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness Who are you following , Jesus or Paul ? 😂😂😂 |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 10:00am On Aug 15, 2025 |
doffman:I am not asking you the followers of whosoever or whom you are following. Be focused and read the question gently! What's the religion of those reading the real torah given to Moses and real Injeel given to the real Isa? Did you care for options? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 10:20am On Aug 15, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:😂😂😂 See how will finish you now : Who follow Allah ? They practice the religion of those who follow Allah . Quran 3:52-53 When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.” They prayed to Allah,˺ “Our Lord! We believe in Your revelations and follow the messenger, so count us among those who bear witness Who are you following , Jesus or Paul ? 😂😂😂 You must answer the question and you must see how your book is corrupted 😂 Gen 19:36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today. Is this true ? Miss non virgin ahaaa |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 11:26am On Aug 15, 2025 |
doffman:Is this how dumb you guys are in Islam? I said I am not asking you who follows who, leave anything that has to do with followers for now. What's the religion of those reading the real torah given to Moses and real Injeel given to the real Isa? THE RELIGION! Did you care for options? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 8:54am On Aug 16, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:😂😂😂 This one has been exposed and helpless . E shock am well. Thank God you know that your book is corrupted ahaa and thank God you know that you are a follower of Paul and not Jesus .😜 Gen 19:36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[a]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites[c] of today. Which prophet of God sleep with his daughters according to your man made bible ? 🤓 Is this your book not corrupted ? YES OR NO ? You must defend your man made religion or go call your pastor here to help you . |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 5:29pm On Aug 16, 2025 |
doffman:What is the religion of those reading corrupted book? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 9:25am On Aug 17, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:Shey you get religion ni ! 🤓 What religion you and Paul practice nah ? 😂😂 You will avoid your embarrassment tire ahaa See your corrupted book : Song of Solomon 4:5-6 5 Your breasts are perfect; they are twin deer feeding among lilies. 6 I will hasten to those hills sprinkled with sweet perfume and stay there till sunrise Is your book not corrupted ? YES OR NO ! 😂 |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 11:25am On Aug 17, 2025 |
doffman:But you're quoting from the book you said your messenger was mentioned therein. Is your messenger a corrupt being? |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 9:53am On Aug 18, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:If we did not take our time to read your bible , how can we believe Quran that said your book was corrupted. And now , we have been convinced that your book is highly edited and corrupted . Na your corrupted book that lied about many great prophets and make a reference to them with malicious words . Even they lied that Jesus (pbuh) was nailed; same way they lied about prophet Lot that he impregnated his daughters . In summary , it is Quran that casted your book . So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to those for what their hands have written, and woe to those for what they have earned'. (Quran 2:79) So I am very very happy that I read your bible very well and compare it with Quran . |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 11:16pm On Aug 18, 2025 |
doffman:So muhammad was also corrupt! |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by doffman: 9:52am On Aug 19, 2025 |
IslamVIRGINS:Na your book corrupted nah ! Argue with your left leg 😂 Ezekiel 23:20 "here she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." Which kind of emission be that ? 🙈 Those that edited your book cannot make heaven including those that believe it 😂😂 |
| Re: Salvation In Islam by IslamVIRGINS(f): 12:09pm On Aug 19, 2025 |
doffman:But you said muhammad's name was written in the book you called corrupted book which means muhammad was a corrupt person! |
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