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Oluseun234:
Hello Guys,

I need a seasoned better or a sporty bet user to answer this question or if you have sound knowledge of 2UP payout terms and conditions governing multiple bet system or also known as accumulator system.

First I would like to ask if you assign '2UP' OPTION to 'Away' team as well?

2. If you select 9 matches in a multiple bet system/category and 5 of them are programmed '2UP' by you i.e by its meaning, the selected team must lead by 2 goals difference for you to get a pay-out. On the contrary, the remaining 4 matches, you pick under 1.5 or Zero or draw for either four respectively. In short, you didn't choose 2UP for the other four matches (full time, no overtime nor penalty)
Let's say you won all the 2UP matches (full time, no over-time/penalty) but failed the picks or guesses for the other non-2UP matches in that multiple bet system, will you still get paid that way for the all the 2UP matches you guessed right only or will still lose all your stake?

I will post a screenshot for better understanding but assume all 2UP matches were guessed correctly but the non-2UP selections eventually turned out wrong.

Thanks

Mr Oluseun234

It's never too late to make a u-turn since you are still a newbie in the world of sport betting.

I'm begging you in the name of whatever God u serve, abort mission, I repeat abort mission.

A wise sage once opined that "A wise men learn from the mistake of others".

Someone can easily get addicted to betting and it can take away ur peace.

You might think that loosing 1k to 5k won't cause severe havoc to your account but with time u might start staking heavily...

Don't say u were not warned.

This man here never planned to be staking millions, but with time gambling can consume you.

It's not a side hustle but a mental disorder and it takes the grace of God to quit once addicted.

@tobore4U, 😳 from 31m!! 😲🫢. I thought I could get emergency funds from it since nothing much is yielding me expected money to cover some necessities. Okay then. I will find something else that is much better.

Thanks!🙏☹️🥴

Didn't even see the first 50 million out! But can I get so stupidly addicted to that level? I thought I could discipline myself to max 50k if I even have that amount one day. This is crazy. I need to rethink about way forward.

Oluseun234:
@MR SAPELE BOY911

Hello sir, trust your week is going on fine? Sir, can you please explain in lay man's English using illustrative examples the meaning of point spread betting/what is also known as Asian Handicap?

Sir, I don't understand the conditions that should be met for favorite vs underdog in a point spread bet or so. For instance, I read that if Favorite is assigned e.g -0.5/_1.5 while underdog is allotted +0.5/+1.5, favorite must score above 0.5 but since there is a minus sign beside 0.5, I thought the format for winning such a bet should be favorite scoring less than 1.5 in point spread betting then state underdog must lose how many points or win outright and yet it is assigned a + sign? This is so confusing. Pls sir I need you to simply this point spread betting using scenarios to determine how this point spread category works in calculating your win or loss

As for banker bet, out of 4 selections, I was sure of two that would win so clicked on 'rebet' then turned on the 'banker bet' icon but rather just allow me choose the matches I would like to re-bet on, a drop down page was generated stating singles, doubles and trebles with an entry box beside each of them to enter the amount I wanted to stake but because I don't know SINGLES, DOUBLES & TREBLES I didn't finally activate the banker bet.

Sir in your narrative about lay bet vs back bet, you told someone that if a back better staked 100 dollars or so and didn't win his/her assumption, the money goes to you but if the back better gets his/her odds football selection right, the winning would be 110 dollars so are you trying to imply that it pays more to engage in back betting than in lay betting?

I will be looking forward to your reply sir.

Kind regards

Such types of Asian handicaps are also called split bets, that is you are splitting your single stake on 2 outcomes. And you can lose half of your stake, win the other half, win all, or lose your whole stake. Take for example.

Man City vs Aston Villa, knowing clearly that Man City is the favourite.

You bet Man City -0.5/-1.5

This means:

Half of your stake is on Man City -0.5 ( meaning they must win, not draw or lose)

The other half is on Man City -1.5 (they must win by 2 or more goals).

If they win by 2 or more goals, you win both bets, if they win by 1 goal, you lose half of your stake (-1.5) and win the other half (-0.5) if they draw or lose, you lose your whole stake.

The reverse is the case if you placed your bet on Aston Villa.

A banker means you are ticking a particular game (B) to win but even if that game wins, and others lose, you still lose your stake, doubles, trebles 5-fold etc are nothing more than an accumulator bet for me.

A back/lay bet is all about doing the work of a bookmaker. You are paying those who support (backed), when their bets win. They are in turn paying you when your lay stake wins.
Take for instance, if you placed a back bet of $100 at 1.10 odds for Man U to win, you win $10 if they win and lose $100 if they don't. On the other hand, if I lay Man U with the same odds and stake. I win $100 if they lose or draw, and lose $10 if they WIN.

I always prefer laying low odds instead of backing. With laying 1.10 odds I will lose my $100 stake only when I have 10 consecutive losses (10 * 10 = 100) but I will lose my $100 on just a single loss while backing. Although laying on high odds can be disastrous to your bankroll.

For instance, if you stake $100 on 4 odds (backed), your losses are $100 while your profit is $300. But if you lay at the same odds and the same stake. Your expected profit is $100 while your expected loss is $300.

Oluseun234:
@tobore4U, 😳 from 31m!! 😲🫢. I thought I could get emergency funds from it since nothing much is yielding me expected money to cover some necessities. Okay then. I will find something else that is much better.

Thanks!🙏☹️🥴

You will be doing yourself a favour by doing this. Quit, you can't win against the bookies without an edge. For over 3 months I haven't placed a single bet, just because I don't have a Bet365 account. That shouldn't be an excuse, given the huge number of bookies, after all, what will win will always win some may say. If only it was that easy you can only make anything from betting by capitalising on their errors, and they would kick you away for doing so. The betting world is cruel and addictive.

Mr SapeleBoy911,
In fact, if I could hug you right now, I would have done so. With the way you break down concepts and terms in football betting, one can tell you are proficient in this discipline. I don't know why Betting apps like Sportybet couldn't recruit people like you to answer questions regarding football terminology and its various betting techniques & outcomes, the subject can run one mad but unlike their customer help officers that keep saying "I need a screenshot?" "I don't understand" or they keep re-posting their insufficient replies, you answer with high clarity like an AI ROBOT without even demanding for screenshots. Shame on sportybet help desk officers!! Just textual explanation from you and I understand what you meant😁❤️🤗. If not that you and others here are advising against delving into the soccer betting industry, I would have advised you set up a betting academy and I know your students will perform exceptionally well after your coaching.

I have a mixed feeling now:
In a phone shop, I expressed my fears to a group of football lovers I know who bet like they cannot survive without it, one of them said I shouldn't expect frequent winnings but I can limit my stake to 50k but I won't make much from that amount if I want to one day, by luck, make big profits. One even said he paid his son's term school fees from it by betting on a couple of correct scores and showed me the pay slip and other losses he witnessed. He claims that there is money in this if I am looking for a source that can generative quick money to use by getting my assumptions right relative to the right odds. I.e. Betting can double or triple my profits.
However, even though he has been into this for two years, yet, after we added each other, I found that he cannot explain succinctly and as clearly as Mr Sapeleboy. Perhaps, to encourage me not to quit, he gave me a total of 4 within 3 days. While the first two generated 10k making me feel joyous, exactly what Mr. Tobore raised, the last two predictions/assumptions (all for first half) were wrong and dropped my account currently to 3000. This really bothers me but he said I should not panic; that It is expected so I have to keep being optimistic but really hurts that In the process of trying to build my account so that I can use a big stake to bet, the reverse happens due to inconsistent correct assumptions. So, what I have so far observed is that to grow the betting account this way seems almost impossible even to keep winning continuously as well. Once my account balance rises up, one wrong bet slip, and I lose a huge amount so I think this betting should be done once or twice a month as a beginner or by using a small account balance_I am still looking to find out another money making occupation that is sustainable and less risky to keep doing.

However, pls Mr SAPELE, cos I won't lie to you: I might want to bet during FIFA world cup o. It pained me when I knew the team that would win in previous tournaments but due to ignorance relating to betting, I lost those chances and back then, I had enough money to live by. I will give 3 instances.

The FIFA world cup that showed a surprising performance by Japan and Croatia; in other consecutive legs/matches, I accurately predicted their scores either in first or second half or in over-time and knew when several other country-team matches would end in a penalty while some betters would assume otherwise and lost their bet. In the last World cup Finals I think, seeing the presidents of western countries present in the finals played between France and Croatia, I knew it would be rigged in France's favour and truly, France won. Others cried over their pick on Croatia and the resulting scores at different intervals because they thought Croatia, after performing greatly in previous matches leading them to finals would take the cup home. On the contrary, even though I am not a football lover nor a seasoned better, seeing those Ogas at the top with Macron present at the arena, I watched the referee crookedly looked for ways to demoralize Croatia. Imagine if I knew how to bet that time? How much I would have had as a payout for predicting right based on what odd or bet selection I went for?

2. In the last African Cup of Nations held in Ivory Coast, while most seasoned football analysts, betters and well known Christian prophets whose football prophecies Nigerians emphasize never fails picked Nigeria, I knew that the online trolling towards Ivory Coast team and our over-confidence would cause Croatia to buckle up against our players. I predicted they would win us before the start of the match but I was lambasted. At the end of the day, Nigeria lost the cup to Ivory Coast. I heard someone who predicted this right won 8million naira or so. Imagine if I also understood the terms and conditions behind the kind of selection and stake I settled for for a PAY-OUT, I too would have had some massive gain I never had in my life. Same with this last league (can't remember its name now) held in USA. Majority of Nigerians banked on PSG as the winner, again I followed the psychological behavior model and replied in a forum that Chelsea would win by at least 2goals; that they would ultimately win the finals cos they felt deeply hurt that a glorious club like theirs was now being dragged online so behind the scenes, their superiors would be hard on them. Another indicator, some popular American Hollywood artists, President Donald Trump and a few notable figures were there to watch the match. I texted my friends who are avid football fans and bettors that Chelsea would win in that finals. I was told that was not how soccer tournaments were won; that you follow one statistical table or chart so, to them, the historical record revealed PSG to be a sure bet. At the end of the day, Chelsea won causing PSG players to even go violent towards them during and after the match. Imagine if I too had joined to bet, I would have won something so while I totally understand you and Mr Tobore, I still want to know the basics, criteria and conditions under which payouts are made and stakes are lost including which category of odds per selection. Let me be frank with you two: I will do one or two sure bet during the next world cup so I need to just know what I need to know now and will really appreciate Mr Sapeleboy and any other seasoned better on this forum to help we novices with clarifications of terms and any other issues relating to navigation, account set up, withdrawals etc.
Reading your posts and screenshots, I could try my best not to get addicted and if the bookie bleeps me up regarding payment plan, then I quit. I don't know how people end up getting addicted after losing big within a short interval☹️🤷. I am even glad that Mr Sapele and Mr. Tabore have shown how this occupation can ruin one's life. It really scares the shit out of me but having heard from you all, I have concluded to work on the frequency I bet and amount staked. One may abandon it now and a desperate need for money triggers you to resume in 2 years time just to make one or two sure bets but when you know little or nothing about its workings, you just keep regretting your lack of the knowledge. What about the physical business I did and I lost 3M with only 100 thousand naira as the only profit realized after two years of its start-up?.... Uhm...... Even CAC has flagged the small company as 'unable to declare its revenues for tax reports'. 3M (from joint contribution) gone to the drain and till today, I have not recovered from that misfortune. Shortly after, I partnered with a wholesale poultry egg distributor, I also lost 400k in total. Now, account is on red yet you see people cashing out from betting and just wonder if you are not stupid to join. It's not as if I like football sport.. no! Till today, I don't know nada about other leagues and their clubs. I seldom sit to watch regular matches except major events such as African Nations Cup, European League Tournament, FIFA World Cup amongst several others. Still, I don't watch football channel on these events everyday like an addict to tell you that naa condition led me to this.
Truly I can see that as I make some earnings, within a short time, it goes back to a low account balance : not a reliable source of income but one can be lucky on one sure bet and just use the money to clear some debts. So I don't want to get this post long: Mr Sapele and Mr Tobore, thank you for the alerts. I have seen what you are trying to say about its cruelty but I want to still know what I need to know before FIFA world cup. I am not planning on betting every minute, hour or all year round. I hope you understand the point I am raising? Mr Sapele's narrative and the scams I experienced shortly I joined have helped me to an extent but while I choose to take a break too one day, I just want to know the essentials of football betting (I am at Experimenting stage) cos I may go in and check out of it for a jackpot later in the future. Many thanks to you all 🙏

Sapeleboy911:
Yes, you can fund it with Skrill. Currently, I use Astropay, due to their ease of deposit and withdrawal directly from your Nigeria bank account. Though I'm about to switch to Skrill due to the exorbitant charges, and the low exchange rate of Astropay.

On a side note, ensure you have a solid strategy before wasting expensive $$ on a foreign bookie.

My broda my money is trapped in bet365, trying to withdraw to my bank account, which is a domiciliary account, but i keep getting this response ''Unfortunately the bank wire has been returned to bet365​, therefore the withdrawal has been returned to your available balance.''

I used the corresponding bank details in my inward remittance, yet the money keeps getting reversed. Please if you have done a bank transfer on bet 365, kindly guide me. I deposited with my card and can only withdraw to a bank account

austino2018:
My broda my money is trapped in bet365, trying to withdraw to my bank account, which is a domiciliary account, but i keep getting this response ''Unfortunately the bank wire has been returned to bet365​, therefore the withdrawal has been returned to your available balance.''

I used the corresponding bank details in my inward remittance, yet the money keeps getting reversed. Please if you have done a bank transfer on bet 365, kindly guide me. I deposited with my card and can only withdraw to a bank account

I had a similar issue with Williamhill way back although mine wasn't linked to a dorm account. In my case I made another deposit with Skrill and when I tried to withdraw I was given two withdrawal option Skrill\card.

Here is what I recommend: Take a picture of the error screen, and chat with their live support show he\she the error screen. On no account should you give your login details to anybody.

Hey man, wondered if you would be interested in talking to me, I am from the UK, happy to message over here but have an opportunity for your knowledge. Hoping you will be interested but I thought it was worth the shot. I value bet daily and it is my fulltime gig in the UK, and I run a Nigerian company alongside. Happy to pay for your time as well if you are worried about that.

Followed you so just waiting for a response.

Thanks bud.

Sapeleboy911:
It is the other way round, believe me. You've not heard this story of mine before.
And please, for those sending DM's, don't waste your time because I won't respond. Ask your questions here and I will try my best to provide answers. I don't have the time/strength to mentor or teach anybody.

I already know what I am doing, just need some info bud, my Smarkets attached.

Challam1296:
Hey man, wondered if you would be interested in talking to me, I am from the UK, happy to message over here but have an opportunity for your knowledge. Hoping you will be interested but I thought it was worth the shot. I value bet daily and it is my fulltime gig in the UK, and I run a Nigerian company alongside. Happy to pay for your time as well if you are worried about that.

Followed you so just waiting for a response.

Thanks bud.

Hi nice meeting you. How is UK today? I miss Betfair exchange. I've read funny stories of smart bettors trying to be smart using the betting shops in the UK. You are free to ask your questions and I'm open to serious partnerships.

Challam1296:
I already know what I am doing, just need some info bud, my Smarkets attached.

What's the commission on markets? If it is above 2.5 I wouldn't make those trades. The edges are quite low from my rough calculation.

Sapeleboy911:
Hi nice meeting you. How is UK today? I miss Betfair exchange. I've read funny stories of smart bettors trying to be smart using the betting shops in the UK. You are free to ask your questions and I'm open to serious partnerships.

The UK is great, instore betting is the way to go now forsure as getting limited online becomes a pain, but william hill and betfred shops are very handy.

Sapeleboy911:
What's the commission on markets? If it is above 2.5 I wouldn't make those trades. The edges are quite low from my rough calculation.

They were for the free bets I had, so no loss no matter what, smarkets is actually 0% commission through a partnership with OM/OP for matched bettors nowadays.

Man @sapeleboy you’ve really seen it all. I started value betting not long ago and I’m currently in some profit, but the challenge is that most of my sportsbook accounts have been restricted. I even tried signing up with one 365, but after submitting my ID they requested extra verification which I don’t currently have.

I’ve noticed there are hundreds of sportsbooks listed on different review sites, and I’m considering exploring them to see if value betting is possible. My concern is that many of them operate under offshore licences, and I’ve heard those can be risky when it comes to payouts.

Do you think it’s worth testing those smaller books, or would you recommend sticking only with the bigger regulated names?

Challam1296:
They were for the free bets I had, so no loss no matter what, smarkets is actually 0% commission through a partnership with OM/OP for matched bettors nowadays.

That's Nice, I once tried matched betting. But most UK bookies don't offer free bets for neteller/Skrill deposits. And those Nigeria bookies have high turnover requirements and very dubious T&C.

Jakarta:
Man @sapeleboy you’ve really seen it all. I started value betting not long ago and I’m currently in some profit, but the challenge is that most of my sportsbook accounts have been restricted. I even tried signing up with one 365, but after submitting my ID they requested extra verification which I don’t currently have.

I’ve noticed there are hundreds of sportsbooks listed on different review sites, and I’m considering exploring them to see if value betting is possible. My concern is that many of them operate under offshore licences, and I’ve heard those can be risky when it comes to payouts.

Do you think it’s worth testing those smaller books, or would you recommend sticking only with the bigger regulated names?

Haha welcome to the cruel world of smart betting. With smart betting the major challenge is not about making profits, but about acquiring betting accounts. I paid €120 for a scanner and I couldn't use it because all my 9 365 accounts were restricted in 4 days.
365 is very strict now, even after you provide the other documents the account will still be restricted without placing a bet. I'm still trying to deciphy what went wrong with them. Here is what I recommend:

1) Check the reviews of these offshore bookies on trust pilot.

2) Deposit what you can afford to loose on these bookies. Because for sure most of your funds will be confisticated. At most you loose your profits, and a fraction of your bankroll. There is nothing you can do about your funds being confisticated because these bookies are dubious.

3)Use the ones that accept crypto because others request too much KYC documents and live selfies.

Sapeleboy911:
Haha welcome to the cruel world of smart betting. With smart betting the major challenge is not about making profits, but about acquiring betting accounts. I paid €120 for a scanner and I couldn't use it because all my 9 365 accounts were restricted in 4 days.
365 is very strict now, even after you provide the other documents the account will still be restricted without placing a bet. I'm still trying to deciphy what went wrong with them. Here is what I recommend:

1) Check the reviews of these offshore bookies on trust pilot.

2) Deposit what you can afford to loose on these bookies. Because for sure most of your funds will be confisticated. At most you loose your profits, and a fraction of your bankroll. There is nothing you can do about your funds being confisticated because these bookies are dubious.

3)Use the ones that accept crypto because others request too much KYC documents and live selfies.

Thank you very much boss, i appreciate your response. But i want to find out something. Some of these bookmakers have mouth watering affiliate commission. Imagine a bookmaker paying 35 - 50% net loss to affiliates with no negative carryovers. I'm contemplating exploiting them by farming accounts and laying bets even though it is against their T&C what do you think, giving your vast experience have you done something like this before? Thanks once again boss.

Jakarta:
Thank you very much boss, i appreciate your response. But i want to find out something. Some of these bookmakers have mouth watering affiliate commission. Imagine a bookmaker paying 35 - 50% net loss to affiliates with no negative carryovers. I'm contemplating exploiting them by farming accounts and laying bets even though it is against their T&C what do you think, giving your vast experience have you done something like this before? Thanks once again boss.

Lol!! This guy, it's like you are on a personal vendetta against these bookies oh. What you described is a fraudulent affiliate strategy which is very possible, profitable long term but also very risky. It can be exploited very easily, but very difficult to cover your tracks. While in BY I almost opened a betting shop my goal then was to earn fraudulently through affiliate commissions. I planned on giving people money (100 persons, random amounts from 1k - 5h) they would stake at my betting shop while I lay these bets on an exchange. If the bets on my shop win I lose nothing, but if they loose, I lost a fraction which the affiliate commission will offset and still be in profit. Given the -ve edges of these bets I'm guaranteed to loose long term, thereby making profits. But it sounded too good to be true on paper, and I was scared after I read the affiliates T&C (the devil is in the detail they say).

Like I said it is very profitable, but these bookies paying you this commissions are not running poorverty alleviation programmes. They study your traffic, engagement, betting patterns and a host of others numerous to mention. Even if you use separate devices and internet connections, you can still be tracked.
For instance imagine 20 people used your affiliate link and 16 signed up, deposited, and placed bets. This might looks like nothing to you, but it will send huge red flags to the bookmaker, that these are manufactured traffics.

Most of your accounts will always be at a loss, not withdrawing frequently, and always placing bets. The bookmaker will investigate, and if caught they can claw back your commission %, close your affiliate accounts, or in worst cases confisticate both your affiliate earnings and funds in your betting accounts since what you intend doing is against their T&C. I've seen cases where a bookie confisticated an affiliate commissions because to them the trafics look like artificially generated ones, even though they had no proof. To make it worse most of the bookies offering these mouth watering commission rates are offshore bookies like 1xbet which are very dubious and conny.

In closing the best way to do this is, promote the affiliate link normally, spread the word, run a few ads, and in between run your underground accounts setup. But be warned if you are not careful or not paying attention to detail, it can lead to a catastrophic end.

Betting is just a strategy, l have found a strategy, lt works for me and so far l have chop morethan 500k, l need time just 3month to gather N10,000,000, then l will start a physical business.

I just won 230k. I am at lost before but now l am at profit.

crytohunter:
Betting is just a strategy, l have found a strategy, lt works for me and so far l have chop morethan 500k, l need time just 3month to gather N10,000,000, then l will start a physical business.

I just won 230k. I am at lost before but now l am at profit.

How many of your 1xbet accounts have been restricted so far? If none then believe you me you are just on a lucky winning streak. Withdraw while in profit now, because you will end up losing it.

Sapeleboy911:
How many of your 1xbet accounts have been restricted so far? If none then believe you me you are just on a lucky winning streak. Withdraw while in profit now, because you will end up losing it.

no multiple accounts bro, l am adhering to there rules, my acc. is 7 yrs, since 2018

crytohunter:
no multiple accounts bro, l am adhering to there rules, my acc. is 7 yrs, since 2018

Bro he is saying the fact, my guess is they would have given you a lot of bonus on that account. That account is still intact because you are not making profits long term. Making long term profits is against a bookmaker rules incase you don't know. I would rather have a 1 years unrestricted access to a 1xbet account instead of a cash gift of #10m.

Sapeleboy911:
Lol!! This guy it's like you are on a personal vendetta against these bookies oh What you described is a fraudulent affiliate strategy which is very possible, profitable long term but also very risky. It can be exploited very easily, but very difficult to cover your tracks. While in BY I almost opened a betting shop my goal then was to earn fraudulently through affiliate commissions. I planned on giving people money (100 persons, random amounts from 1k - 5h) they would stake at my betting shop while I lay these bets on an exchange. If the bets on my shop win I lose nothing, but if they loose, I lost a fraction which the affiliate commission will offset and still be in profit. Given the -ve edges of these bets I'm guaranteed to loose long term, thereby making profits. But it sounded too good to be true on paper, and I was scared after I read the affiliates T&C (the devil is in the detail they say).

Like I said it is very profitable, but these bookies paying you this commissions are not running poorverty alleviation programmes. They study your traffic, engagement, betting patterns and a host of others numerous to mention. Even if you use separate devices and internet connections, you can still be tracked.
For instance imagine 20 people used your affiliate link and 16 signed up, deposited, and placed bets. This might looks like nothing to you, but it will send huge red flags to the bookmaker, that these are manufactured traffics.

Most of your accounts will always be at a loss, not withdrawing frequently, and always placing bets. The bookmaker will investigate, and if caught they can claw back your commission %, close your affiliate accounts, or in worst cases confisticate both your affiliate earnings and funds in your betting accounts since what you intend doing is against their T&C. I've seen cases where a bookie confisticated an affiliate commissions because to them the trafics look like artificially generated ones, even though they had no proof. To make it worse most of the bookies offering these mouth watering commission rates are offshore bookies like 1xbet which are very dubious and conny.

In closing the best way to do this is, promote the affiliate link normally, spread the word, run a few ads, and in between run your underground accounts setup. But be warned if you are not careful or not paying attention to detail, it can lead to a catastrophic end.

At the bolded yes oo boss, i want to wreck their arse. You've pinched my brain boss, a bet9ja agent in my area is almost wortless. I don't think that guy even have up to 200k turnover in my area, that shop has turned to Ronaldo vs Messi arguement joint. Witg time😁 that guy will turn that shop to his house. Although i don't know bet9ja rate and how their agent stuff works, I will need to discuss it with that guy. Chatgpt, LLM oyahoh assignment is here. Thank you very much boss, i need to do more research on this.