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It's really obvious that long promos aren't part of Jordynne Grace strengths.
Why do they persist she fit into the WWE mould of long written promos? Accentuate the Strengths, hide the weakness as Cornette says.
How was Blake Monroe able to get a contract for no physicality until the PPV?
I don't get Lainey Reid. She made her debut undermining Jacy Jayne, now she's trying to cozy up to her.

pu7pl3:
J'evon Evans vs Oba Femi is going to feed families. I'm sat

And where does Joe Hendry keep popping out from🤦🏿‍♂️😂

https://youtube.com/shorts/QzB2_PkRll0?si=BRFVwHVIHr0iw9bB

One of the Darkstate members is not like the others, One of them does not belong🙄

Queen of Anambra state.

CoolUsername:
Ironically though, pro wrestling originated from the circus. That's why they are called "carnies", because they used to travel around and perform along with other carnival acts.

Orton is guy who claims to be a snake and hears voices. The man literally slithers around like a reptile and holds his head. Cena played a white middle class rapper that was acting like a thug. Undertaker was a zombie or something. They are still circus characters. Luchadores are just a different flavour.

yes, it went from being a joke to being serious. I mean what do we do on this thread everyday? What are our discussions centered around? Is it not to make sure pro-wrestling doesn't return to it's circus routes and becomes a serious globally respected sports entertainment venture. Look at us. Look at this group. Look at how wrestling is perceived in this part of the world? It is recognised as a joke, and it's viewers unserious; I know this firsthand.
So all you mentioned above is noting that pro-wrestling was once a gimmick centered or acknowledged programming and my point is that it is moving away from that. That is why those 3 guys you mentioned no longer identify with those character elements. They are all normal human beings today whenever they appear in the ring, including Taker. Taker advised Aleister Black to tone down on the spookiness to relate with the times, Taker.
Gimmicks are on their way out and it's a good thing. The only ones doing them now are midcarders and jobbers. I'm not crazy after all. Storylines are next.

samistry:
Ospeay Na gimmick maybe that's why he lacks match psychology. I kick outta everything and win like a video game.
Isreal Adesanya boasts about being the style bender, a nickname.
UFC and Wrestling no be the same. UFC fighters aren't playing characters on TV. There's no element of make belief in UFC.

Until I hear Maxwell doing the things he professes on TV. Na character, him dey play. He's a gimmick.
It's why certain folks who claim to be gangsta rappers get found out. You can't claim to rap about a lifestyle you haven't lived.

these points are quite weak. At least you recognise that nicknames exist. That settles it. Some of these characters have nicknames and little personas they love to have fun with and it's entirety still isn't a gimmick. It's a wrestler playing a character who has a nickname and personas he loves to have fun with. For instance MJF's Burberriness isn't a gimmick, it's just a fun persona that the character likes to have. If it was a gimmick, it would have been the center of his world and the wrestlers would believe that the persona draws him money in real life. Ridiculous.
So MJF doesn't wear Burberry in real life, or he isn't rich in real life? Must he do bad things before you accept that he's just playing a character and not a gimmick?

samistry:
Ospeay Na gimmick maybe that's why he lacks match psychology. I kick outta everything and win like a video game.
Isreal Adesanya boasts about being the style bender, a nickname.
UFC and Wrestling no be the same. UFC fighters aren't playing characters on TV. There's no element of make belief in UFC.

Until I hear Maxwell doing the things he professes on TV. Na character, him dey play. He's a gimmick.
It's why certain folks who claim to be gangsta rappers get found out. You can't claim to rap about a lifestyle you haven't lived.

Ospreay has ring psychology. He's literally one of if not the best wrestler on the planet.

samistry:
Lol... So it's a me preference now?

what? You're not the only one with preference? There are many Mexicans that watch WWE. You guys have had it your way for years. Maybe it's time give them their own 'style' for once. I'm sure you'd love it regardless.

ValeeLove:
these points are quite weak. At least you recognise that nicknames exist. That settles it. Some of these characters have nicknames and little personas they love to have fun with and it's entirety still isn't a gimmick. It's a wrestler playing a character who has a nickname and personas he loves to have fun with. For instance MJF's Burberriness isn't a gimmick, it's just a fun persona that the character likes to have. If it was a gimmick, it would have been the center of his world and the wrestlers would believe that the persona draws him money in real life. Ridiculous.
So MJF doesn't wear Burberry in real life, or he isn't rich in real life? Must he do bad things before you accept that he's just playing a character and not a gimmick?

Was Max rich in real life prior to being in AEW?
Because a character isn't doing comedy or supernatural doesn't mean it's not a gimmick.
He's simply playing a part and you fell in love with that. Just like a viewer falls in love with an actor.
The difference is that you can't see it's make believe.

ValeeLove:
Ospreay has ring psychology. He's literally one of if not the best wrestler on the planet.

Flip flops, No selling and kicking out of every move like an anime fight doesn't make you best wrestler. It makes him a choreographer more than a wrestler.

ValeeLove:
what? You're not the only one with preference? There are many Mexicans that watch WWE. You guys have had it your way for years. Maybe it's time give them their own 'style' for once. I'm sure you'd love it regardless.

The more you talk, the more I'm convinced you know nothing and you continue to prove me right.
Triple A has had their wacky characters for years long before WWE bought them.
Mexican Wrestling has had their gimmicks long before WWE.
You even made a statement that you don't care about Mexico's history. Nobody go take you serious on any wrestling forum if you talk this one.

samistry:
The more you talk, the more I'm convinced you know nothing and you continue to prove me right.
Triple A has had their wacky characters for years long before WWE bought them.
Mexican Wrestling has had their gimmicks long before WWE.
You even made a statement that you don't care about Mexico's history. Nobody go take you serious on any wrestling forum if you talk this one.

in that context of the convo I don't care about their history. Triple A wasn't bought by WWE then was it, it has now. So they need more of their wacky programming in and around WWE on a global stage, same way they incorporated the styles of other nationalities. Like I said, you'll love it.

samistry:
Flip flops, No selling and kicking out of every move like an anime fight doesn't make you best wrestler. It makes him a choreographer more than a wrestler.

You want to comment on psychology and no selling. Same you who's defending that trash AAA is putting out. Same You who doesn't even have the conscience to critique Jade Cargill. Gimme a break.

samistry:
Was Max rich in real life prior to being in AEW?
Because a character isn't doing comedy or supernatural doesn't mean it's not a gimmick.
He's simply playing a part and you fell in love with that. Just like a viewer falls in love with an actor.
The difference is that you can't see it's make believe.

he definitely wasn't suffering. He could afford a Burberry suit. His emphasis wasn't on being rich. He was rude, disrespectful and every other thing considered to be a heel. That point is still to shallow to believe that he's character now is a gimmick. He's a normal person in my eyes.

ValeeLove:
You want to comment on psychology and no selling. Same you who's defending that trash AAA is putting out. Same You who doesn't even have the guts to critique Jade Cargill. Gimme a break.

It's trash to you but not their fans who've watched and supported them for years.
I don't sitdown in my veranda and claim to know what's best for other folks halfway around the world without research.
You think the Mexican fans are same as the Japanese fans? Know your audience.

You claim someone is the best wrestler but that person lacks ring psychology. It means he's deficient in that area. How can he be the best?
I don't need AEW and Dave Meltzer to present Ospreay as the best thing since sliced bread. I watched his matches before AEW in NJPW and British indies.
The guy is yet to shake off those no selling habits.

We've gone back and forth on the Jade issue. Yes, She has her weaknesses but my issue is your fixation and nitpicking. Like how you brought her into this discussion that has nothing to do with her.

ValeeLove:
he definitely wasn't suffering. He could afford a Burberry suit. His emphasis wasn't on being rich. He was rude, disrespectful and every other thing considered to be a heel. That point is still to shallow to believe that he's character now is a gimmick. He's a normal person in my eyes.

If he's not any of those things in real life Na acting simple and short.
Oga dey find excuse, you first say Na bad habits, later you change mouth Na exaggeration.

He's a dude playing a dude at the end of the day.
Funny enough, Na you dey call for end of storylines in wrestling but Na still you love of MJF.
A character who depends much on storyline.

samistry:
It's trash to you but not their fans who've watched and supported them for years.
I don't sitdown in my veranda and claim to know what's best for other folks halfway around the world without research.
You think the Mexican fans are same as the Japanese fans? Know your audience.

You claim someone is the best wrestler but that person lacks ring psychology. It means he's deficient in that area. How can he be the best?
I don't need AEW and Dave Meltzer to present Ospreay as the best thing since sliced bread. I watched his matches before AEW in NJPW and British indies.
The guy is yet to shake off those no selling habits.

We've gone back and forth on the Jade issue. Yes, She has her weaknesses but my issue is your fixation and nitpicking. Like how you brought her into this discussion that has nothing to do with her.

tor we leave it like that. Anyone who wrestles trash wrestles a style and that it's. Whether no selling or not, psychology or not; at the end IT'S A STYLE. No problems. We'll just accept the styles and give wrestling no standard. I only wonder what you guys will be critiquing here everyday.

Ospreay has psychology and is one of the best if not the best on the planet. Use your internet.

And yes, she has everything to do with this because it shows hypocrisy on your end.

samistry:
If he's not any of those things in real life Na acting simple and short.
Oga dey find excuse, you first say Na bad habits, later you change mouth Na exaggeration.

He's a dude playing a dude at the end of the day.
Funny enough, Na you dey call for end of storylines in wrestling but Na still you love of MJF.
A character who depends much on storyline.

and who says it's not acting? Didn't you see him on Burberry when he went to see the DC people? Come on. I like his character and he doesn't have gimmick. I'm not redefining those terms anymore.

ValeeLove:
yes, it went from being a joke to being serious. I mean what do we do on this thread everyday? What are our discussions centered around? Is it not to make sure pro-wrestling doesn't return to it's circus routes and becomes a serious globally respected sports entertainment venture. Look at us. Look at this group. Look at how wrestling is perceived in this part of the world? It is recognised as a joke, and it's viewers unserious; I know this firsthand.
So all you mentioned above is noting that pro-wrestling was once a gimmick centered or acknowledged programming and my point is that it is moving away from that. That is why those 3 guys you mentioned no longer identify with those character elements. They are all normal human beings today whenever they appear in the ring, including Taker. Taker advised Aleister Black to tone down on the spookiness to relate with the times, Taker.
Gimmicks are on their way out and it's a good thing. The only ones doing them now are midcarders and jobbers. I'm not crazy after all. Storylines are next.

So because certain folks clowned on you as unserious for liking wrestling. You want it to suit the MMA mould so those people will take it serious?

Wrestling demands suspension of make belief in order to enjoy it. I'm not even talking about spooky and comedy characters.
The moves wrestlers do require cooperation which normies will call out any day.
No sane person will ever believe a full grown man will lie down for another man to jump on him.
Such doesn't ever happen real life.

Do real life fights typically follow a sequence of Shine, Heat, Comeback and Finisher in that order?
How do you want an average person to ever take that serious?
Its even worse now that kayfabe is dead and everyone can access the Internet to know that matches are predetermined.

No be same people look down on anime, comics and video games for years as being childish? Folks wey been call you childish for watching superhero cartoon, shelved money to watch the movie in cinema years later.
The comic book/cartoon lover never changed, it was society that changed to love comic adaptations.

UFC that is a real sport had a merger and formed a parent company with a fake sport.
Wrestling has its fans and will continue to do so.
F%¢k the Normies!

ValeeLove:
tor we leave it like that. Anyone who wrestles trash wrestles a style and that it's. Whether no selling or not, psychology or not; at the end IT'S A STYLE. No problems. We'll just accept the styles and give wrestling no standard. I only wonder what you guys will be critiquing here everyday.

Ospreay has psychology and is one of the best if not the best on the planet. Use your internet.

And yes, she has everything to do with this because it shows hypocrisy on your end.

Please what Psychology is there in kicking out of all the moves?!
Na you call Ospreay the best wrestler in the world and that's what we are discussing here.
Bro went for the Oscutter as a finisher, to the Stormbreaker later. He then used the hidden blade.
Now that one no dey work again.
Oga dey use the hidden blade for back of head.
He's relegated all his previous finishers to signature moves thereby weakening their effect.
What new finisher will he bring next?
I watched the sequence of moves he and Swerve were doing with the Young Bucks at All In.
It felt less than a wrestling match and more like a shonen battle fest.
Na wetin you wan show people make dem take wrestling serious be that?

When I watch his matches I know it's always going to be long affair sprinkled, multiple finisher kickouts and no selling. Even when the crowd has reached their crescendo thinking a move has ended the match?kickout!
That nonsense has moved over from NJPW to NXT, AEW, WWE. Everyone is chasing fictional stars from an old man and wrestling to please him🤦


I never claimed Jade to be the best wrestler and at no point did I bring her into this discussion.
Na Will Ospreay be the subject of discourse but you keep seeing Jade wherever you go.
She's not relevant to our subject of discourse on Will Ospreay lack of psychology.

samistry:
Please what Psychology is there in kicking out of all the moves?!
Na you call Ospreay the best wrestler in the world and that's what we are discussing here.
Bro went for the Oscutter as a finisher, to the Stormbreaker later. He then used the hidden blade.
Now that one no dey work again.
Oga dey use the hidden blade for back of head.
He's relegated all his previous finishers to signature moves thereby weakening their effect.
What new finisher will he bring next?
I watched the sequence of moves he and Swerve were doing with the Young Bucks at All In.
It felt less than a wrestling match and more like a shonen battle fest.
Na wetin you wan show people make dem take wrestling serious be that?

When I watch his matches I know it's always going to be long affair sprinkled, multiple finisher kickouts and no selling. Even when the crowd has reached their crescendo thinking a move has ended the match?kickout!
That nonsense has moved over from NJPW to NXT, AEW, WWE. Everyone is chasing fictional stars from an old man and wrestling to please him🤦


I never claimed Jade to be the best wrestler and at no point did I bring her into this discussion.
Na Will Ospreay be the subject of discourse but you keep seeing Jade wherever you go.
She's not relevant to our subject of discourse on Will Ospreay lack of psychology.

I don't know why we're still having this conversation. Ospreay has psychology, it just happens to be there are few times he fails to present that, and that's available across all board of wrestling. I'm not disputing that. That's why we're here. That's why we critique wrestling. But when you come out and say wrestlers fighting with hand puppets is wrestling then you might as well give Ospreay the benefit of doubt. Because I'm pretty sure he has the exact same defense you give to the hallowed mexican wrestlers and fans - it's a bloody style, deal with it. Cased closed.

samistry:
So because certain folks clowned on you as unserious for liking wrestling. You want it to suit the MMA mould so those people will take it serious?

Wrestling demands suspension of make belief in order to enjoy it. I'm not even talking about spooky and comedy characters.
The moves wrestlers do require cooperation which normies will call out any day.
No sane person will ever believe a full grown man will lie down for another man to jump on him.
Such doesn't ever happen real life.

Do real life fights typically follow a sequence of Shine, Heat, Comeback and Finisher in that order?
How do you want an average person to ever take that serious?
Its even worse now that kayfabe is dead and everyone can access the Internet to know that matches are predetermined.

No be same people look down on anime, comics and video games for years as being childish? Folks wey been call you childish for watching superhero cartoon, shelved money to watch the movie in cinema years later.
The comic book/cartoon lover never changed, it was society that changed to love comic adaptations.

UFC that is a real sport had a merger and formed a parent company with a fake sport.
Wrestling has its fans and will continue to do so.
F%¢k the Normies!

You think they don't have a point clowning on wrestling? It's even more in the other parts of the world. You can't suspend your disbelief when logic isn't put in place.
Those things you highlighted that they consume is called fiction. And at the beginning of every fictional story, it's logic is established so nothing goes out of place in it. Wrestling doesn't use fiction. It uses sport. In fact there is no space for any genre to be applied because it's not a full blown movie as half of it's programming is real sport. The elements of entertainment are the presentation of the combatants as good guys or bad guys. So yes, they reserve the right to clown on wrestling because it's promoters have made it a joke for years and it's not funny.

There's no psychology. No logic. EVERYTHING NA STYLE NOW. You don't like it, go and sleep.

ValeeLove:
I don't know why we're still having this conversation. Ospreay has psychology, it just happens to be there are few times he fails to present that, and that's available across all board of wrestling. I'm not disputing that. That's why we're here. That's why we critique wrestling. But when you come out and say wrestlers fighting with hand puppets is wrestling then you might as well give Ospreay the benefit of doubt. Because I'm pretty sure he has the exact same defense you give to the hallowed mexican wrestlers and fans - it's a bloody style, deal with it. Cased closed.

I never called Mr. Iguana the best wrestler in the world. I said that Mexico has always had such comedy themed wrestlers in their history.
They always have their place on the undercard there.
Is Ospreay a comedic wrestler? Why are you comparing apples to Oranges?
I can't critic his lack of psychology because I find Iguana and midget wrestlers funny?
I pointed out NJPW that presents itself as a sport based organisation has Taguchi and Toru Yano doing comedy things.
You research nothing, know nothing, don't even want to know anything but give armchair opinions all day.
Na who I dey waste my time with be this?

ValeeLove:
You think they don't have a point clowning on wrestling? It's even more in the other parts of the world. You can't suspend your disbelief when logic isn't put in place.
Those things you highlighted that they consume is called fiction. And at the beginning of every fictional story, it's logic is established so nothing goes out of place in it. Wrestling doesn't use fiction. It uses sport. In fact there is no space for any genre to be applied because it's not a full blown movie as half of it's programming is real sport. The elements of entertainment are the presentation of the combatants as good guys or bad guys. So yes, they reserve the right to clown on wrestling because it's promoters have made it a joke for years and it's not funny.

So what real sport allows you to lie down while I jump on you from top rope? Won't you scamper away? Where's the logic there?
You allowed the 'serious people' clown on you for watching what you love. Instead of simply realising not everyone can like the same thing.

You felt inferior, turned against people who enjoyed same thing as you because you want to please the outsiders🤦.

Threatening muder/arson on live TV production where there are dozens of security personnel.
He's being himself, he's real🤡

samistry:

He's too young for his bump card to be this full. These guys need to slow down.

samistry:
I never called Mr. Iguana the best wrestler in the world. I said that Mexico has always had such comedy themed wrestlers in their history.
They always have their place on the undercard there.
Is Ospreay a comedic wrestler? Why are you comparing apples to Oranges?
I can't critic his lack of psychology because I find Iguana and midget wrestlers funny?
I pointed out NJPW that presents itself as a sport based organisation has Taguchi and Toru Yano doing comedy things.
You research nothing, know nothing, don't even want to know anything but give armchair opinions all day.
Na who I dey waste my time with be this?

how about horror wrestlers, huh? How about drama wrestlers; what do those do huh? Action wrestlers? Fiction wrestlers? Dance wrestlers? Gymnastics wrestlers? Sports based wrestlers, eh? I help you split everything. No be only comedic wrestlers.

samistry:
So what real sport allows you to lie down while I jump on you from top rope? Won't you scamper away? Where's the logic there?
You allowed the 'serious people' clown on you for watching what you love. Instead of simply realising not everyone can like the same thing.

You felt inferior, turned against people who enjoyed same thing as you because you want to please the outsiders🤦.

oh, by the way, that experience was second hand. First hand was watching wrestling myself for decades and discovering the nonsense they promote.

samistry:
Threatening muder/arson on live TV production where there are dozens of security personnel.
He's being himself, he's real🤡

by the way, this is what you get when you do storylines in wrestling. Enjoy.

ValeeLove:
by the way, this is what you get when you do storylines in wrestling. Enjoy.

samistry:

why you dey laugh? There is no storyline in wrestling that makes logical sense. Bring the storyline out and we'll analyze it bit by bit and you'll see. I can write storylines for wrestling and they'll be as close to logic as possible, but never truly logical. It's how I know it doesn't belong.