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peterious10:
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,,, Although what Ooni did was really wrong but na two elephants dey fight make anybody nor put head ooo.

Really wrong?

What do you mean by this?
Wr9ng how?

peterious10:
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,,, Although what Ooni did was really wrong but na two elephants dey fight make anybody nor put head ooo.

Really wrong?

What do you mean by this?
Wrong how?

Lanruze:
The Alaafin actually relocated back to Nigeria from Canada.

He lived in Canada for a long time.

Canadian loud the feeling is different

That ultatum is extremely laughable but in reality I'm so disappointed in Alaafin a tout will always be tout and I have said it several time those in charge of oracle that choose king in SW should be flush out completely and anybody less than 50 years of age must undergo proper DNA Test to be sure it's not a bastard they are coronating as king because a true royal child can't be behaving like that dude in Iwo, the Ifo dude and this priority missed road dude called Alaafin or whatever.

They told us all kinds of lies about this Alaafin, he is this in Canada, he is that in Canada at the end of the day when we profile him we discovered it was all lies now see the way he has be behaving is this a king or what? No character, no manners, filled with bitterness, extremely suffering from chronic pride-maniac syndrome.

I rest my case abeg..

yemmit90:
From the book of history, Alaafin of Oyo empire is the real son of Oduduwa with first hand access to his dynasty. Oranmiyan being the last son of Okanbi, after his other six brothers has left Ile-ife, appointed Adimula as a place holder when he was about to leave.

Oranmiyan eventually settle at present Oyo empire and became first Alaafin. It was learnt that all Yoruba King's were used to pay homages to only Alaafin as supreme king in Yoruba land. The Ooni title/ rulling houses in Ile-Ife Town of today are lineage of Placeholder Adimula.

If we are to judge by history, Ile-Ife is ancestral home of Yoruba, and Alaafin of Oyo is the head of Oduduwa (the founder of Yoruba ethnic) dynasty. Therefore, he is the one in right position to appoint Yoruba cultural leaders.

But in another instance, if Oranmiyan 6 other brothers could not return to claim their father's throne, Alaafin too should not be poking noses on what is going on in his ancestral home. If he is to claim right, he should simply fight for his father throne and become Ooni, even in far away Oyo empire.

Maybe someone who know better can enlighten me on this.

nah pure rubb! sh you dey talk. which history
oga pack well abeg
go back to secondary school for proper Yoruba history

for further knowledge
https://insideoyo.com/see-ranking-obas-yorubaland/

lagonovo:
Actually it was a power move by Alaafin's side. The message clearly sent out is that Ooni has no authority to appoint a chief of Yorubaland. No Ooni has ever done that. Only Alaafin does that and this was re-affirmed as recently as 1988 when the appointment of MKO Abiola as Aare Ona Kakanfo of Yorubaland was challenged in court.

It was not a power move it was an unwise and immature move

Let us assume he is correct is there a mature way of doing this without confrontation if indeed he is looking for peace and progress

With regard to your claim about authority and No Ooni has ever done that
Well Awolowo was conferred the title Asiwaju of Yorubaland by a previous Ooni
Regarding whether Ooni has authority or not is a very long and debatable point

The first thing is what is Yorubaland or who is Yoruba
Does it include Ketu And Ajase in Benin Republic
Has there ever been any time that There was all of the so called Yorubaland under one umbrella to the best of my knowledge The answer is no

Definitely we in Lagos State will tell you that we do not recognise Oyo as ANYTHING. Oyo has no say in Ijebu land they never did

Let me go further with Lagos Oba Dosunmu actually signed Lagos over in the 1860s as a Colony
For reference Southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria were Protectorates not Colonies

Only Lagos was a colony making it a Crown Possession of the King of England
So the King of England actually had historical authority over Lagos which Alaafin never had

Finally Oyo was an empire that gained dominion by force just like Britain had over the USA or Nigeria
Once that force expires the empire expires
Britain is a former champion
America is the current champion

Oyo is a former champion
Ibadan is even more relevant as a kingdom than Oyo even though its people came from Oyo just like Britain and USA


Oyo should semper


Does that mean Ooni has authority to confer of Yorubaland titles
For me NOBODY DOES

He should just say Omo Odua since he is Arole Odua

So Oluomo Omo Odua in this case

That business of Aare Ona Kakanfo of Yorubaland is just theatre.
It is Aare Oyo
Is Yorubaland even our language

Now this thing about Supreme Court judgment the first time I heard it was from Gani Adams a few years ago and I suspect he has misled the Alaafin to boost his relevance

If any Oba e.g Oba of Lagos or Awujale says there is nothing like Aare in his territory that is the end. Lagos State government can tell him do not bring it to Lagos state or we will gbe you
Can he go to Benin Republic and claim Aare Ona Kakafo

Lanruze:
The current Alaafin of Oyo has consistently shown that prior to his ascension of the throne, he was a confrontational and fisty personality outside royalty.

The Ooni of Ife on the other hand has been very warm, friendly, progressive and forward looking.

He broke the traditional rivalry jinx by paying homage to the former Alaafin of Oyo- Oba Lamidi Adeyemi - Ikù Bàbà yèye and historical rivalry issues where set aside till Oba Lamidi passed away.

The new Alaafin of Oyo started on a very wrong footing.

Asides from arrogance, audacity and pride, How can you sit down to shake an Ooni of Ife ? And on the second occasion even ignored his pleasantries. This new Alaafin seems not be aquinted with good Legal Advisers as he over-exaggarates his powers.

I think he has very bad character whatever authority Oyo had in Yoruba land was based on military might which was always tested and resisted
It is not a birth right but a military right
Like the British Empire
I get am before no be property
America has replaced Britain
Ibadan replaced Oyo before the British came
Oyo cannot command obedience from Ijebu in2025 that they did not do in1925 or 1825

Bitter truth Oyo has no enforceable influence over Lagos and never did. Even Benin is more relevant
Yorubas do not look to Oyo for ANYTHING

That section of Naija is always know for being braggadocios.

lagonovo:
Looks like the key issue has been tactically resolved as was done in the widely circulated clash of the titans in 1991. I just saw this post:

"The latest title as announced by the man to be conferred, Dotun Sanusi shows clearly Okanlomo Odua. The man Jubril Dotun Sanusi wrote that clearly on his Facebook account 12hrs ago, only for Bode Durojaiye to rush to his page 6hrs after and start warning on behalf of the king with lies of "Yorubaland" usage. Anyone can search these posts which I will put in comment box."

The implication is that this title in question is Okanlomo Odua of Ile-Ife and never of Yorubaland.

Lobatan ooo. In actual fact it should have been. ...... Okanlomo of the Source ... like the one bestowed on Dr Odili of Rivers State.

Softmirror:
Your King is still with DSS happy wearing Fendi everyday. He threatened that heaven will fall if anything happens to him. His followers did the same. The end result amounted only to a distabilized Igboland and the running away of Igbos from their homes because Igbos ended up killing one another.

Common don’t tribalism this. This has to do with us Yorubas. Well those kings lost their value a long time ago.

What a load of bullshit and tales by moonlight. Start deconstructing your own hubris by verifying if truly any Ooni made Awolowo the Asiwaju of Yorubaland. Where and when?

aribisala0:
It was not a power move it was an unwise and immature move

Let us assume he is correct is there a mature way of doing this without confrontation if indeed he is looking for peace and progress

With regard to your claim about authority and No Ooni has ever done that
Well Awolowo was conferred the title Asiwaju of Yorubaland by a previous Ooni
Regarding whether Ooni has authority or not is a very long and debatable point

The first thing is what is Yorubaland or who is Yoruba
Does it include Ketu And Ajase in Benin Republic
Has there ever been any time that There was all of the so called Yorubaland under one umbrella to the best of my knowledge The answer is no

Definitely we in Lagos State will tell you that we do not recognise Oyo as ANYTHING. Oyo has no say in Ijebu land they never did

Let me go further with Lagos Oba Dosunmu actually signed Lagos over in the 1860s as a Colony
For reference Southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria were Protectorates not Colonies

Only Lagos was a colony making it a Crown Possession of the King of England
So the King of England actually had historical authority over Lagos which Alaafin never had

Finally Oyo was an empire that gained dominion by force just like Britain had over the USA or Nigeria
Once that force expires the empire expires
Britain is a former champion
America is the current champion

Oyo is a former champion
Ibadan is even more relevant as a kingdom than Oyo even though its people came from Oyo just like Britain and USA


Oyo should semper


Does that mean Ooni has authority to confer of Yorubaland titles
For me NOBODY DOES

He should just say Omo Odua since he is Arole Odua

So Oluomo Omo Odua in this case

That business of Aare Ona Kakanfo of Yorubaland is just theatre.
It is Aare Oyo
Is Yorubaland even our language

Now this thing about Supreme Court judgment the first time I heard it was from Gani Adams a few years ago and I suspect he has misled the Alaafin to boost his relevance

If any Oba e.g Oba of Lagos or Awujale says there is nothing like Aare in his territory that is the end. Lagos State government can tell him do not bring it to Lagos state or we will gbe you
Can he go to Benin Republic and claim Aare Ona Kakafo

yemmit90:
From the book of history, Alaafin of Oyo empire is the real son of Oduduwa with first hand access to his dynasty. Oranmiyan being the last son of Okanbi, after his other six brothers has left Ile-ife, appointed Adimula as a place holder when he was about to leave.

Oranmiyan eventually settle at present Oyo empire and became first Alaafin. It was learnt that all Yoruba King's were used to pay homages to only Alaafin as supreme king in Yoruba land. The Ooni title/ rulling houses in Ile-Ife Town of today are lineage of Placeholder Adimula.

If we are to judge by history, Ile-Ife is ancestral home of Yoruba, and Alaafin of Oyo is the head of Oduduwa (the founder of Yoruba ethnic) dynasty. Therefore, he is the one in right position to appoint Yoruba cultural leaders.

But in another instance, if Oranmiyan 6 other brothers could not return to claim their father's throne, Alaafin too should not be poking noses on what is going on in his ancestral home. If he is to claim right, he should simply fight for his father throne and become Ooni, even in far away Oyo empire.

Maybe someone who know better can enlighten me on this.

Oga why are you disturbing yourself with fake Obas we are having,they are all jokes

softy:
welll done!
great job at saying nothing but jointed stories from here and there as one.

think about this and compare:

Oduduwa gave birth to Okanbi
Okanbi gave birth to Oranmiyan
Oranmiyan became Alaafin.
alaafin descedants becomes Alaafin of Today and Future.
The Present Alaafin is sitting on his Father's throne, the throne of a GRAND SON to Oduduwa.

Before Oduduwa became King
There were people whose lineages were kings called Ruling house.
We have 4 ruling houses in Ife.
Oduduwa was one.
The Present Ooni came FROM ONE OF THOSE RULING HOUSES.

YES, Oduduwa was referred to as Yoruba Father, but he met some people who were organised in IFE.
Odudwa became first Ooni.
[color=#006600]The Present Ooni is sittng on HIS father's throne.......throne of the Yoruba father, Oduduwa
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how can a grand son be giving his powerful and majestic grandfather 48 hours to change a pattern, if that is not distasteful, disgraceful, rebellious, rudeness, disrespect, youth exuberant, bastardic behaviour, arrant nonsense, and Afojudi?


if you were the grandfather, what would you do?
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I understand your point, but if Oduduwa actually met some organised people or people whose their lineage were King's from rulling house, how come he became first Ooni of Ife?

If the title of Ooni was first established or used by Oduduwa, how come those rulling houses accepted to use it when they are never his lineage?

If Oduduwa is regarded as originator of Yoruba and its history by both side, why are those people he met at Ife whose their lineage are rulling class claiming or fighting to represent what belong to Oduduwa?

Since those he met in Ife were not directly related or his procreation, why are they trying to represent him or taking up his glory?

In Yoruba land, Obas are appointed from males children of King's from rulling class, so where were people of rulling House when Okanbi his son ascended his father throne? Or was there no rulling class back then or was automatically created after Oranmiyan left the throne for Adimula?

Lastly, why were King's paid homages to only Alaafin in entire Yoruba empire and not Ooni of Ife?

This is super crazy. Two prominent monarchs threatening each other.

Both Canada based appointed Kings (Oluwo and Alafin) later became something else. This desperate idea of thinking those who live abroad ate more exposed and decent is now clearly wrong. We truly need to do better.

Apparently, Afobaje's know better than today's Ifa.

Softmirror:
Your King is still with DSS happy wearing Fendi everyday. He threatened that heaven will fall if anything happens to him. His followers did the same. The end result amounted only to a distabilized Igboland and the running away of Igbos from their homes because Igbos ended up killing one another.

In my part of the world you're a king in your own house. We're too smart to confer "king" on some fool crook simply because his forefathers wickedly exploited and subjugated our forefathers

You clearly watched too much cartoon as a kid

aribisala0:
It was not a power move it was an unwise and immature move

Let us assume he is correct is there a mature way of doing this without confrontation if indeed he is looking for peace and progress

With regard to your claim about authority and No Ooni has ever done that
Well Awolowo was conferred the title Asiwaju of Yorubaland by a previous Ooni
Regarding whether Ooni has authority or not is a very long and debatable point

The first thing is what is Yorubaland or who is Yoruba
Does it include Ketu And Ajase in Benin Republic
Has there ever been any time that There was all of the so called Yorubaland under one umbrella to the best of my knowledge The answer is no

Definitely we in Lagos State will tell you that we do not recognise Oyo as ANYTHING. Oyo has no say in Ijebu land they never did

Let me go further with Lagos Oba Dosunmu actually signed Lagos over in the 1860s as a Colony
For reference Southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria were Protectorates not Colonies

Only Lagos was a colony making it a Crown Possession of the King of England
So the King of England actually had historical authority over Lagos which Alaafin never had

Finally Oyo was an empire that gained dominion by force just like Britain had over the USA or Nigeria
Once that force expires the empire expires
Britain is a former champion
America is the current champion

Oyo is a former champion
Ibadan is even more relevant as a kingdom than Oyo even though its people came from Oyo just like Britain and USA


Oyo should semper


Does that mean Ooni has authority to confer of Yorubaland titles
For me NOBODY DOES

He should just say Omo Odua since he is Arole Odua

So Oluomo Omo Odua in this case

That business of Aare Ona Kakanfo of Yorubaland is just theatre.
It is Aare Oyo
Is Yorubaland even our language

Now this thing about Supreme Court judgment the first time I heard it was from Gani Adams a few years ago and I suspect he has misled the Alaafin to boost his relevance

If any Oba e.g Oba of Lagos or Awujale says there is nothing like Aare in his territory that is the end. Lagos State government can tell him do not bring it to Lagos state or we will gbe you
Can he go to Benin Republic and claim Aare Ona Kakafo

DoctorStanley:
In my part of the world you're a king in your own house. We're too smart to confer "king" on some fool crook simply because his forefathers wickedly exploited and subjugated our forefathers

"Jesus is King" is that a Jewish exploitation?

Softmirror:
"Jesus is King" is that a Jewish exploitation?

Jesus is NOT a fool crook whose only achievement is that his forefathers wickedly subjugated his neighbors!

DoctorStanley:
Jesus is NOT a fool crook whose only achievement is that his forefathers wickedly subjugated his neighbors!

That means you were wrong by your limiting being a King to your house hold. Else qualifying Jesus as not being a crook qualifies other Kings too.

Nothing new at all. Oonis and Alaafins randomly entertain people of different generations. The current Ooni uses deception and passive aggression while the current Alaafin is straight out wahala on demand. They will calm down until it's time for another round

themanderon:
This is super crazy. Two prominent monarchs threatening each other.

Tenisam:
nah pure rubb! sh you dey talk. which history
oga pack well abeg
go back to secondary school for proper Yoruba history

for further knowledge
https://insideoyo.com/see-ranking-obas-yorubaland/

Is the link you posted here contains the history you were asking me to go back to?

We are talking about history, this one is posting a link of Oba ranking opinionated by Alake. I am 100% sure you don't know Jack about this subject matter.

yemmit90:
From the book of history, Alaafin of Oyo empire is the real son of Oduduwa with first hand access to his dynasty. Oranmiyan being the last son of Okanbi, after his other six brothers has left Ile-ife, appointed Adimula as a place holder when he was about to leave.

Oranmiyan eventually settle at present Oyo empire and became first Alaafin. It was learnt that all Yoruba King's were used to pay homages to only Alaafin as supreme king in Yoruba land. The Ooni title/ rulling houses in Ile-Ife Town of today are lineage of Placeholder Adimula.

If we are to judge by history, Ile-Ife is ancestral home of Yoruba, and Alaafin of Oyo is the head of Oduduwa (the founder of Yoruba ethnic) dynasty. Therefore, he is the one in right position to appoint Yoruba cultural leaders.

But in another instance, if Oranmiyan 6 other brothers could not return to claim their father's throne, Alaafin too should not be poking noses on what is going on in his ancestral home. If he is to claim right, he should simply fight for his father throne and become Ooni, even in far away Oyo empire.

Maybe someone who know better can enlighten me on this.

You quoted a history written or told by an Oyo indigene many of which are supporting their king selected by Seyi Makinde.

Believe you me this not the true story of what Yoruba history as concern Ooni and Aalafin.

Kog45:
Oga why are you disturbing yourself with fake Obas we are having,they are all jokes

Their rivery has been in existence for ages now, preserving their prestige and history is more important to them than anything else in this world.

Kindledlight:
You quoted a history written or told by an Oyo indigene many of which are supporting their king selected by Seyi Makinde.

Believe you me this not the true story of what Yoruba history as concern Ooni and Aalafin.

That was why I said anyone that knows better should enlighten me. You can post a genuine one here if you have, we are all learning in one way or the other.

This can only happen in a setting where young boys were being crowded kings. Being young isn't measured only by age but by maturity. Both of them don't deserve to even be akoda oba lasan, let along being crowned kings. Such a show of shame as this will only happen when due process is jettisoned for man know man. There were much more qualified people who contested for both ooni and alaafin stools.

We will continue to hear such drama until due process is followed when taking such a sensitive decision in our clime. This doesn't only apply to our tribe. We heard of what happened in Agbor in the selection of their king. No wonder Nigeria is in this disarray. Oba Iwo can't even near usa and Canada today while the other osun monarch was picked and jailed by the US government for fraud recently. We have a governor who was charged with credit card fraud in the 80s who can't step on the US soil forever. Dem plenti. Our values and cultural endowment are being monetised and they feel everything is ok. Make dem continue.

yemmit90:
From the book of history, Alaafin of Oyo empire is the real son of Oduduwa with first hand access to his dynasty. Oranmiyan being the last son of Okanbi, after his other six brothers has left Ile-ife, appointed Adimula as a place holder when he was about to leave.

Oranmiyan eventually settle at present Oyo empire and became first Alaafin. It was learnt that all Yoruba King's were used to pay homages to only Alaafin as supreme king in Yoruba land. The Ooni title/ rulling houses in Ile-Ife Town of today are lineage of Placeholder Adimula.

If we are to judge by history, Ile-Ife is ancestral home of Yoruba, and Alaafin of Oyo is the head of Oduduwa (the founder of Yoruba ethnic) dynasty. Therefore, he is the one in right position to appoint Yoruba cultural leaders.

But in another instance, if Oranmiyan 6 other brothers could not return to claim their father's throne, Alaafin too should not be poking noses on what is going on in his ancestral home. If he is to claim right, he should simply fight for his father throne and become Ooni, even in far away Oyo empire.

Maybe someone who know better can enlighten me on this.

What's this one saying bayi? Abeg who gave birth to oranmiyan? And who was the first crowned king in the history of yoruba land ??
You guys will just be quoting mumu history.

RichBoy247:
You see as that Oyo boy from Canada Dey disgrace himself?

OPONUOMO ẸRU
What do you know?
Who is disgracing himself now?

yemmit90:
I understand your point, but if Oduduwa actually met some organised people or people whose their lineage were King's from rulling house, how come he became first Ooni of Ife?

If the title of Ooni was first established or used by Oduduwa, how come those rulling houses accepted to use it when they are never his lineage?

If Oduduwa is regarded as originator of Yoruba and its history by both side, why are those people he met at Ife whose their lineage are rulling class claiming or fighting to represent what belong to Oduduwa?

Since those he met in Ife were not directly related or his procreation, why are they trying to represent him or taking up his glory?

In Yoruba land, Obas are appointed from males children of King's from rulling class, so where were people of rulling House when Okanbi his son ascended his father throne? Or was there no rulling class back then or was automatically created after Oranmiyan left the throne for Adimula?

Lastly, why were King's paid homages to only Alaafin in entire Yoruba empire and not Ooni of Ife?

This matter looooooooong well well. When I have time ( busy driving right now) I may open up many things with dates!.

Please house, posterity would be kind to you all if some of you can really answer my brother here.

He who asked must be adequately answered based on how the question was asked.