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Idaytesj29:
It takes America's tax payers dollars and weapons. As forced on them by AIPAC.

No divine anything making Isreal do the carnage its doing, it's US, EU and NATO enablement.

When Iran was bombing them, why didn't the
divine hand stop the missile?

Remove your religious log in your eyes and see clearly without faith induced hatred and bias.

Then why not the same US ,EU ,NATO do some for your Palestinians, if its that easy
If religion is not involved, then why is Iran , Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE IRAG , YEMEN, EGYPT ,Afghanistan declared to be Islamic Republic non tolerant for anything Christianity

PlutoChief:
Hmmmmm!

This is worse that what Hitler did yet no one is talking about it, anyways, crime and impunity dey sweet if e never reach your side.

Una too biase. Why can't Hamas just release the hostages? Just release them! Dead or alive. So you think the family of the hostages give a ratass about how many others die as long as their loved ones are dead or in captivity?

Make I ask you, if person carry your sibling, and you fit destroy the person entire Village, will you be asking them to release your sibling nicely for months abi go on rampage? The life of one sibling of yours will be worth 100s of unrelated individuals to you.

DeepSight:
This is very very very wrong thinking. They are indeed owners and part owners. Another thing you assume is that the Jews of today are the same as the Israelites of old. They are not. They are a specie of European, for the most part.

I repeat: how long have white people been in America? Dont you think the Native Americans should also declare: we are back and drive them away? And yet, Arabs have been in that land since the Crusades!

Let me ask you. Hypothetcally, if a group of black Americans were to arrive in your village and tell you their ancestors owned it 400 years ago, what would you think? Okay, lets say they seize it by force, what would you think? Okay lets say you are trying to be equitable with them and they say, no, leave and go away. Go where?

When you say so insensitively - they should just go - go where? How do you say to people that have lived somewhere for one thousand years - just go? I mean go where?

Where are now Jews of the Bible?.

Guestmale:
Where are now Jews of the Bible?.

The truth is they are all over the world, and some in Israel too.

PlutoChief:
Hmmmmm!

This is worse that what Hitler did yet no one is talking about it, anyways, crime and impunity dey sweet if e never reach your side.

Are you sure of what you are saying? Worse than Hitler u said? Ur comment is sick!

DeepSight:
If you think this is about those hostages you have not even started.

Let all the hostages be released first before you start this rumb....

U.S. won't condemn this. It is only good at giving blind support to Israel, while pressuring Russia to end the war with Ukraine (instigated by the U.S. and NATO). The U.S. has absolutely no moral standing to lecture anyone about anything in the world. It is nothing if not hypocritical.

Akhaz024:
Is Egypt and Jordan under occupation? No.
Palestinians are still under occupation without a recognized state. Without addressing that, expecting peace without resistance may be unrealistic.

Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon are the people and countries that have been living in that place
There was no single country or tribe or ethnicity called "Palestine" in ancient history. It never existed in the Bible or Quran
Some Arabs living on the land of Israel before Israel was declared a State who refused to accept the creation of Israel are the ones who have now adopted to call themselves "Palestine"/"Palestinians" and demanding that they want a separate State be created for them on the heart land of ancient Israeli cities like Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, Beersheba, Judea and Samaria etc.
That same area was under control of Jordan until 1967 and the Palestinians never demanded for a separate State when the area they are living on was under Jordan. But After Israel captured it from Jordan in the 1967 war, they started asking for a separate State for the same area . That should tell you it is all about the hatred for Israel

Arrowhead71:
Then why not the same US ,EU ,NATO do some for your Palestinians, if its that easy
If religion is not involved, then why is Iran , Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE IRAG , YEMEN, EGYPT ,Afghanistan declared to be Islamic Republic non tolerant for anything Christianity

What are you even saying? All your Ibo brothers that robbed jewelry stores in Qatar are not Christians ? What other tolerance do you want?

DeepSight:
That statement of his just showed that he is just one of those Nigerians who are obsessed with Israel because he thinks they are God's chosen people (never mind that they reject the Christ that these Nigerians worship.). He hs absolutely no knowledge of history and even of current affairs. He also is not honest. He claims that the Palestinians should be absorbed into Israel (knowing that Israel will NEVER allow this, and he actually said that after saying that the Palestinians should just leave and dissapear to heaven knows where.

Its a waste of time discussing with someone like that.

Thank you for following the discussion with unbiased mind. Infact, majority of our Nigerian Christians are pathetic. Imagine what comes out of their mouth?

Arrowhead71:
so those 2 children and their mother that died in Hamas captivity whose bodies Hamas released during ceasefire is also propaganda to you, continue in your mischief

Minus that 3 people from 50,000 people and the answer is the reason why many will not accept your position.

Arrowhead71:
So why did your Iran said a supernatural power was fighting for Israel after they suffered embarrassment
Iran knows he is no match for small population Israel
And for weapons, Israel and America exchange weapons for weapons in trade , and it will interest you to know that Jews are behind most western and Europe weapons manufacturers
Take it or dispute it , nah your problem be that

Which embarrassment? Iran people never told us they are invisible. US and Israel dont exchange weapon, Us literarily send them billions of dollars and shipment of weapons annually.
No, they are not. They just have the biggest lobbying power and strategy in the world. Take it or leave it, na your problem be that.

KaLuCh:
Una too biase. Why can't Hamas just release the hostages? Just release them! Dead or alive. So you think the family of the hostages give a ratass about how many others die as long as their loved ones are dead or in captivity?

Make I ask you, if person carry your sibling, and you fit destroy the person entire Village, will you be asking them to release your sibling nicely for months abi go on rampage? The life of one sibling of yours will be worth 100s of unrelated individuals to you.

If you go about taking lands and attacking people with so much violence, deprivation and oppression. Sooner or later your sibling will be kidnapped.
If you don't trouble no one, and fonck with no one, no one will fonck with you.

Arrowhead71:
That how the Almighty God said it , God scatter Israel and gather them back , cant you see yourself that it takes divine hands for Israel to accomplish this feat so far , unchallenged

Don't worry, God will scatter them again. They get a second chance and have blew it. This time they will be scattered, well scattered that gathering will be impossible. If they are the Gods chosen, they won't be scattered in the first place 😂

PepeXKermit:
You need to know how sophisticated Israel is when it cones to intelligence gathering. AMERICA NO REACH THEM FOR THAT LEVEL. if Israel tell you that a place where they have full control over, they have not been able to locate their hostages, you can believe any foolery in the world. Israel wey use unmanned AI machine gun kill a top nuclear scientist for Iran some years back, and they cannot get their hostages, from a 25mile by 5mile enclave that has been surrounded for months, must be a big joke!

So why is Israel not getting their hostages back?
Or are they using that as a disguise to carry out genocide?

cr7lomo:
If Israel is using the hostages as an excuse for other sinister reasons....then release the hostages and then we all we watch their next move... but first, the hostages must be released... this particular problem started because of Oct 7th.... so hamas should trace their steps back to Oct 7th and release the hostages

Aswear i like you guy
You too get sense

DeepSight:
I repeat for emphasis: "God gave it to me" is not an argument on land matters. Not now, not before, not ever and not anywhere. Anyone frankly can say the same thing.



That is not my position. My position is that there must be equity among the peoples dwelling there. Posession of land is determined by length and originality of stay. Arabs have been there for over a thousand years. No one can argue that they are alien to the land. Jews have already taken the majority of the land. Do you have any idea how tiny Gaza is? Let me give you a practical example. It is less than four times the third mainland bridge in length. And yet it is barricaded and controlled by Israel as though the people there are dogs in a cage.

How about West Bank? The Istaeli's have populated it with ever increasing illegal settlements (illegal as declared by the UN - Mind you, Israel is a creation of the UN). Every attempt at Platestinian Statehood is blocked by Israel and the US.

Live and let live. You are the bigger power. You have the biggest power in the world behind you. These people have nothing. Share equitably. That is my position. But as long as you wish to imprison them, occupy them, snatch the little land they have left, you will never find peace.

It seems you love half truths. First lie you said is that Jews have already taken majority of the land. This is false. The British, in cooperation with the French, split the land in 1920, giving 78% of it to the Arab to create Jordan. The UN, in 1947, split the remaining 22% of the land between the Jews and the Arabs with the Jews getting 56% of that 22% (made up largely of the Nagev Desert) and the Arabs getting 44% of it. Jerusalem was to become an international city run by the international community.

You claimed that Arabs have been there for thousands of years. Same goes for the Mizrahi Jews who never left the left during the Roman Empire's conquest of Jerusalem.

You said every attempt at Palestinian statehood had been blocked by Israel. This is another lie. The peel accords was proposed before the creation of Israel and it rejected by the Arabs. The 1947 partition plan of the UN was also rejected the Arabs. Let me also make it clear to your that the UN did not create Israel. The UN created a partition plan that was rejected by one party (Arabs) and accepted by the other (Jews). The State of Israel as we know it today was created by the Zionist Leaders led by Ben Gurion in 1948 following the declaration of independence after the British pulled out of the region. The Arabs would then proceed to declare war against the Jewish state, a war in which they lost and Israel remained an Independent state after losing 1% of its population in what is now know as the War of Independence in 1948. So you see, the UN only created a proposal (the partition plan), the UN did not follow through to ensure its plan was implemented.

One would also wonder why the Palestinians failed to declare their independence from Egypt and Jordan after 1948. Instead, they waited 20 years to go to war again against Israel in 1967 instead of simply declaring their independence. They had Hebron, they had Gaza, they had all of Jerusalem but they didn't declare their independence, rather, they went to war and you have the audacity to say Israel blocked their attempt at independence. Let's not even talk about the peace deals that led to the 1st and 2nd intifada or the peace proposal of 2008 offered by the then Prime Minister of Israel.

The Palestinians have never wanted Israel to exist, and it's high time Israel took the right step of completely wiping out the threat to their existence. You can't make it a national and lifelong policy to end my existence and think I would sit down and watch you live to accomplish it.

mikeapollo:
1,200 lives is the beginning. The end can be a 1million.
That is why the Yoruba people have an adage that says that ''we only know the start of a war, but no one knows where it would end''.
It is the bitter reality of wars; that is why people always preach against starting a war. The end is always more bitter than the beginning. Most wars are like that: e.g. the atrocities/deaths that led to the start of the Biafra war was far less than the atrocities/deaths that happened during the real war.

You cannot expect soldiers at war to be counting the number of dead people and stop the war at a number, for as long as they can still see that the enemies are still fighting and shooting at them to kill them.

And by the way, why are you people deceived by the 60,000 Palestinians? So no single Hamas member have been killed? Or all the thousands of Hamas terrorists killed have also been counted as ''Palestinians"? Make you dey deceive yourselves.

Here you people go again with your Yoruba proverbs. See, modern war is different from olden war and yes, you can know the beginning and the end of a modern war. There are technologies and tools that can be used to count the casualty level to ascertain where the war has proceeded to be called genocidal or not. It's probably possible to stop a war from going out of hand in the modern time except the use of nuclear weapons is involved. That is why no country in the world is allowed to go nuclear in a war.
In your second paragraph, you said that soldiers cannot stop counting the number of deaths when their enemies are still killing them in records. Now tell me, do you know how many times the international community has called out Israel to stop the mass killings even when the war hasn't gone genocidal?
Again, are the innocent Palestinian civilians parts of the enemies that are killing the Israeli forces?
Come on man , you can do better than this.
Look, i am not saying that there are good guys in a war. The sad truth is that in a war where there are civilian casualties, there is no good side.

DeepSight:
This is very very very wrong thinking. They are indeed owners and part owners. Another thing you assume is that the Jews of today are the same as the Israelites of old. They are not. They are a specie of European, for the most part.

I repeat: how long have white people been in America? Dont you think the Native Americans should also declare: we are back and drive them away? And yet, Arabs have been in that land since the Crusades!

Let me ask you. Hypothetcally, if a group of black Americans were to arrive in your village and tell you their ancestors owned it 400 years ago, what would you think? Okay, lets say they seize it by force, what would you think? Okay lets say you are trying to be equitable with them and they say, no, leave and go away. Go where?

When you say so insensitively - they should just go - go where? How do you say to people that have lived somewhere for one thousand years - just go? I mean go where?

Kindly list out the Arab villages that were taken by Jews before 1948? Palestine was a geographic location not a country. Just like we have the Sahara. Lots of the Areas that make up Israel were bought by Jews and some others were deserts and swamps. Why are you only talking about the Jews who came from Europe while ignoring the Jews who have been living there even before the European Jews started arriving? Why do you continue to deceive and lie to yourself? Who were the inhabitants of Tel-Aviv before 1948? No one. Tel-Aviv is one of cities built from scratch by the Jews on swamp land in 1909. They never contested for that land with Arabs as it was not inhabited by anyone.

Hi Unbiased1. Pleased to read from you. At a glance, you are thankfully much better informed than the dross I have had to contend with all day on this matter. I can also sense that you are articulate and set out your views in a logical sequence. I am delighted to meet you.

I will take my time probably during the night to revert in detail.

However before I do so, I want to assure myself of something, so that it doesnt simply turn out to be a waste of time. So let me ask a few questions designed to see if you are open minded on the matter or one of those whose mind will not change regardless of what is presented.

1. Do you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people and the "Holy Land" is theirs by right of Divine appointment and covenant?

2. Do you believe that Palestinians have a right to sovereignty of their own?

3. Do you believe that there have been wrongs on both sides?

These will assist in locating your open mindedness on a spectrum and determining the usefulness of proceeding.

Many thanks.

Unbiased1:
The Palestinians have never wanted Israel to exist, and it's high time Israel took the right step of completely wiping out the threat to their existence. You can't make it a national and lifelong policy to end my existence and think I would sit down and watch you live to accomplish it.

I have to also ask - in this - do you mean wipe out the threat in the sense of wiping out Hamas, or perhaps creating a situation where the threat somehow ends diplomatically or some other sense in terms of the threat

OR -

Do you mean exterminate all Palestinians.

DeepSight:
I have to also ask - in this - do you mean wipe out the threat in the sense of wiping out Hamas, or perhaps creating a situation where the threat somehow ends diplomatically or some other sense in terms of the threat

OR -

Do you mean exterminate all Palestinians.

Antthing can happen in the extreme case if it becomes absolutely necessary. Israel itself is under serious threat
If your enemy wants to wipe you off the surface of the earth what do you do to him too,?

Don't you get it?
The Palestinians don't want the Jews to exist on the land where the whole of Israel is located at the moment. They believe the whole land belongs to them and have aligned themselves with a country like Iran that has declared openly that Israel must be destroyed and wiped off the surface of the earth. They meant it and have showed it time and time again. That is why they chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine must be free".
So Israel must therefore be ready to take any, every and all necessary steps or action to forestal that and ensure its existence.

mikeapollo:
Antthing can happen in the extreme case if it becomes abdolutely necessary.
If your enemy wants to wipe you off the surface of the earth what do you do to him too,?

Don't you get it?
The Palestinians don't want the Jews to exist on the land where the whole of Israel is located at the moment. They believe the whole land belongs to them and have aligned themselves with a country like Iran that has declared openly that Israel must be destroyed and wiped off the surface of the earth. They meant it and have showed it time and time again. That is why they chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine must be free".
So Israel must therefore be ready to take any, every and all necessary steps or action to forestal that and ensure its existence.

I was not addressing you and that is not the answer to the question. Of course at all events you would not ask yourself if Israel wants Palestine or Palestinians to exist at all.

DeepSight:
I was not addressing you and that is not the answer to the question. Of course at all events you would not ask yourself if Israel wants Palestine or Palestinians to exist at all.

Is this how you discus or debate online? The guy you tagged to ask the question also posted to contribute to the discussion going on on the same topic.
Okay, let me leave you in peace since it ibecoming a personal issue now.

Israel does not have any intention to fight or destroy people that live in peace with it. Egypt and Jordan are clear examples.

DeepSight:
If you think this is about those hostages you have not even started.

Why not release the hostages so that it can be clear what it is really about?

mikeapollo:
Is this how you discus or debate online? The guy you tagged to ask the question also posted to contribute to the discussion going on on the same topic.
Okay, let me leave you in peace since it ibecoming a personal issue now.
Israel does not have any intention to fight or destroy people that live in peace with it. Egypt and Jordan are clear examples.

There is nothing personal. I dont know you. But you have already shown duplicity in both saying that the Palestinians should simply leave (to where, heaven knows) and then claiming that Israel is willing to accept them into Israel. It is more than clear to me where you stand and I also don't believe that you have the knowledge necessary for this discussion.

NothingDoMe:
Why not release the hostages so that it can be clear what it is really about?

They need bargaining chips. Its the same way Israel and its supporters say they should disarm. And leave themselves lame-ducks right? As though they are not powerless enough already in the face of an all powerful occupying apartheid power.

DeepSight:
They need bargaining chips. Its the same way Israel and its supporters say they should disarm. And leave themselves lame-ducks right? As though they are not powerless enough already in the face of an all powerful occupying apartheid power.

20 hostages to bargain what exactly? That israel withdraws her forces? At this point there's hardly anything they can achieve by holding on to the hostages.

NothingDoMe:
20 hostages to bargain what exactly? That israel withdraws her forces? At this point there's hardly anything they can achieve by holding on to the hostages.

Maybe you are not aware of the exchange rate in terms of hostages. 1 Israeli hostage can go for scores of Palestinian hostages (what the world prefers to call prisoners).

Idaytesj29:
Minus that 3 people from 50,000 people and the answer is the reason why many will not accept your position.

At least you agreed its not propaganda, if you kill one and I kill 2000, both of us are killers ,so killing is killing and not the numbers
Therefore Palestinians are guilty of what you accused Israel of

Idaytesj29:
What are you even saying? All your Ibo brothers that robbed jewelry stores in Qatar are not Christians ? What other tolerance do you want?

Dud you see church in Qatar or public worship allow for Christians, just like Christians countries

Idaytesj29:
Which embarrassment? Iran people never told us they are invisible. US and Israel dont exchange weapon, Us literarily send them billions of dollars and shipment of weapons annually.
No, they are not. They just have the biggest lobbying power and strategy in the world. Take it or leave it, na your problem be that.

US uses iron Dome built by Israel, or you didn't get the memo , that one example
And Israel is 9th world largest producer of weapons, despite their small size
Or then tell us what does Israel give in return to America, and other European countries that supply weapons to Israel.
Or you didn't hear it whe EU threatened to stop buying weapons from Israel because of Gaza though they couldn't execute it