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Ken4Christ:
Where you once a Jehovah Witness member? You argue like them. You employ the same dishonest strategy:

You only quote references of scriptures that appears to support your opinions and ignore many others that says otherwise.

Don't tell me you are not aware of scriptures that affirm the deity of Christ. Jesus is referred to as God in several passages of the scriptures.

He also claimed to be God.
God the Father called him God
Angels worshipped him. In fact Angels are commanded to worship him.
He is worshipped alongside with God the Father.

Why are you pretending you are not aware of all these.

When John the Beloved heard a voice behind him in the Isle of Patmos saying:

Revelation 1:11
... I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

When he turned to see who was talking to him, who did he see? Jesus.

So, Jesus is revealed as Alpha and Omega.
God, the Father is Alpha and Omega.
Can't you enough sense that they are one God in different manifestations- Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

I am coming up with a full book on the subject of Trinity. Only the spiritually blind will deny it's untrue.

You are now the one beating around the bush. Which dishonest strategy. I gave you options to accept or reject. The title Alpha and Omega didn't raise Jesus from the dead.

If Jesus deity is your problem don't worry, I will include it for you.

You never see anything yet.

Ken4Christ

Don't beat around the bush. Choose from the options below.

Jesus is called a Mighty God according to Isaiah 9:6. So answer these questions happily. You have right to choose any of the options "to believe" and "not to believe."

John 12:49-50 NKJV
[49] For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. [50] And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

1. Do you believe Jesus as a Mighty God said, that he speaks whatever the Father commands him to say?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't believe him

Hebrews 5:7 NKJV
[7] who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,

2. Do you believe that when Jesus is a Mighty God, his cries and tears meant he knew it was only God the Father who was able to save him from death?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't

Romans 10:9 – “…if thou shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

3. Do you believe that it was God the Father that raised him (Mighty God) from the dead?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't


If you refuse to choose any of the options, we know that it is the shame of rejecting Christ and God openly that made it so. The antichrist doesn't want to be exposed. It uses subtle means such as quoting scriptures out of context or using false accusations to dodge questions and scripture.

Trinity Is gone. No one is equal to his maker.

You all should return to God the Father. That was the purpose of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. To reconcile us back to God. Jesus is the way to God.

Go and read Romans I:19-23. You don't honour God as God.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136538674

You reject the words of Jesus. You reject what God has done. Trinity Is prepared by satan and the antichrist against God the Father. They don't want him to recieve all the glory that belongs to him.

Dtruthspeaker, Chibuezem, Gabrielshow24

FreeIgboho this answered the questions you asked me.

FxMasterz:
My brother, he's not a Christian. Stop discussing scriptures with him. Instead, preach to him, perhaps God will save his heart. He needs Jesus in His life.

You can see how he rubbished the reliance on the Holy Spirit for scripture interpretation. No believer talks like that. And, there are many other statements of his that gave him out.

Preach the word to him. Tell him to give his life to Christ. I do not see him as a Christian. I stopped all discussions with him because of this and his lack of good comprehension of discourses.

I'll create a thread next week on this same issue and mention you also.

God bless you my brother. God bless Boomark too.

Someone who is led by the Holy spirit don't ask "Who is godliness?" It is only people who don't know anything that ask such questions.

Pastors that became pastors with man-made certificate are entitled to possess such mistakes. You don't understand simple english. Tomorrow you will come and still ask those who God called or are doing the will of God for their certificate. Making mistakes upon mistakes.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/5#136445322

The spirit that is ministering to you is not from heaven. I have already revealed the spirit to you and your trinitarian brothers.

Boomark:
Ken4Christ

Don't beat around the bush. Choose from the options below.

Jesus is called a Mighty God according to Isaiah 9:6. So answer these questions happily. You have right to choose any of the options "to believe" and "not to believe."

John 12:49-50 NKJV
[49] For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. [50] And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

1. Do you believe Jesus as a Mighty God said, that he speaks whatever the Father commands him to say?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't believe him

Hebrews 5:7 NKJV
[7] who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,

2. Do you believe that when Jesus is a Mighty God, his cries and tears meant he knew it was only God the Father who was able to save him from death?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't

Romans 10:9 – “…if thou shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

3. Do you believe that it was God the Father that raised him (Mighty God) from the dead?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't


If you refuse to choose any of the options, we know that it is the shame of rejecting Christ and God openly that made it so. The antichrist doesn't want to be exposed. It uses subtle means such as quoting scriptures out of context or using false accusations to dodge questions and scripture.

I conclude that you are a Jehovah Witness. You are not yet born again. Why should I debate with someone who doesn't have the Spirit of God. It's a waste of time. Your journey begins when you receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Boomark:
He started by telling me not to beat around the bush. I responded with by choosing from the options he gave. Now he beating around the bush and refusing to chose any option.

Your questions doesn't have the correct options.

The Father raised Jesus from the dead.
He was also raised by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus also raised himself from the dead.

So, no point answering questions that are wrongly asked.

You are so myopic.

You need the Spirit of God to comprehended spiritual things.

Jesus is Mighty God. He is also Almighty.

gohf:
you need to listen to your own words, "You only quote references of scriptures that appears to support your opinions and ignore many others that says otherwise."

John.2.22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

Wouldn't it had made more sense if apostle John had written after Jesus rose himself up from the dead.
Listen I will resurrect when Jesus returns, I will raise up, but those that mean I am the one doing it or those that make me God.


Thank God you quoted John 10:17-18, issue is you didn't actually quote all that's in those verse, did you now because you subtly left out the part where Jesus said it is God's command, so the authority Jesus had and exercised, John understood it from Jesus to be by God's command.

You know how Mary responded to what Jesus said in John 11:25
John.11.27 "Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."

Is it not wonderful that you quoted
Rom.8.11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as he raised Christ from the dead, he will give life to your mortal body by this same Spirit living within you.

You though you asked did Jesus lie about raising himself from the dead, even when you know he never raised himself by himself but God did

I acknowledge all these scriptures you are trying to lay emphasis on. But, your problem is that you don't want to look at any other scriptures that affirm Jesus is fully God.

If Jesus is fully God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God but all three persons are one God, not three Gods. This is trinity in its simplest explanation.

Ken4Christ:
I acknowledge all these scriptures you are trying to lay emphasis on. But, your problem is that you don't want to look at any other scriptures that affirm Jesus is fully God.

If Jesus is fully God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God but all three persons are one God, not three Gods. This is trinity in its simplest explanation.

why not quote where I told you I don't want to look at any other scripture you claim affirm Jesus is fully God.

Mind you I have been using the scriptures you have been quoting since, have I not?

Ken4Christ:
Your questions doesn't have the correct options.

The Father raised Jesus from the dead.
He was also raised by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus also raised himself from the dead.

So, no point answering questions that are wrongly asked.

You are so myopic.

You need the Spirit of God to comprehended spiritual things.

Jesus is Mighty God. He is also Almighty.

so to you it took three people(beings) to raise Jesus up?

Like the Father raised him up, then the Holy Spirit, then Jesus himself also did as well, abi?

Ken4Christ:
I acknowledge all these scriptures you are trying to lay emphasis on. But, your problem is that you don't want to look at any other scriptures that affirm Jesus is fully God.
If Jesus is fully God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God but all three persons are one God, not three Gods. This is trinity in its simplest explanation.

Now it's obvious that you just love lying to your own soul what we gathered from all those that has been to theology schools is that Trinity is a Mystery that is why Trinitarians are confused when it comes to the definition of Trinity.

So stop lying that it could be explained in a simple way!

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's obvious that you just love lying to your own soul what we gathered from all those that has been to theology schools is that Trinity is a Mystery that is why Trinitarians are confused when it comes to the definition of Trinity.

So stop lying that it could be explained in a simple way!

It confuses only those who are not born again like you. It confuses those who are perishing.

Those who are born again grasp this truth easily.

Why not accept the free gift of salvation and condition your spirit to grasp this reality.

gohf:
so to you it took three people(beings) to raise Jesus up?

Like the Father raised him up, then the Holy Spirit, then Jesus himself also did as well, abi?

I didn't say so, the Scripture did and I believe it.

Ken4Christ:
I didn't say so, the Scripture did and I believe it.

look either you are stating what the scriptures and the gospel state or you are accusing them of saying something contrary.

Be confident and answer what I asked you, "so to you it took three people(beings) to raise Jesus up?

Like the Father raised him up, then the Holy Spirit, then Jesus himself also did as well, abi?"

Or you can at least show the scripture you claim said so

There is contradictions everywhere and no two churches fully agree on this your Trinity stuff that's why you are ashamed of mentioning the name of your church because you know there is nothing like understanding among those claiming born again.

Ken4Christ:
Your questions doesn't have the correct options.

The Father raised Jesus from the dead.
He was also raised by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus also raised himself from the dead.

So, no point answering questions that are wrongly asked.

You are so myopic.

You need the Spirit of God to comprehended spiritual things.

Jesus is Mighty God. He is also Almighty.

Please quote all my comment, ie the scripture and questions. Under each of the question, write correct answer by ken: then state what you think is the correct answer according to the scriptures I quoted already.

Ken4Christ:
Your questions doesn't have the correct options.

The Father raised Jesus from the dead.
He was also raised by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus also raised himself from the dead.

So, no point answering questions that are wrongly asked.

You are so myopic.

You need the Spirit of God to comprehended spiritual things.

Jesus is Mighty God. He is also Almighty.

You are saying that to God who raised Jesus from the dead. You are saying that to the Holy spirit who inspired those scriptures. You are saying that to Jesus Christ who told us the truth he recieved from God. Over 30 scriptures pointing at the same thing is what you call "mahyohpic."

The spirit of the antichrist is the one pushing you people to insult God and reject his word.

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's obvious that you just love lying to your own soul what we gathered from all those that has been to theology schools is that Trinity is a Mystery that is why Trinitarians are confused when it comes to the definition of Trinity.

So stop lying that it could be explained in a simple way!

Not so, the 'how' is a mystery? The outline is evident based on scriptural data. We don't know how Jesus had two natures, Divine and temporal, at the same time but we do know he exhibited both.

We also know from scriptures that he dwelt with God and he made the Universe, so he is definitely not a creature! How he and the Father dwelt for eternity is a mystery! How both have no beginning and end is a mystery! We have come to accept them that way.
So, we know the definition of trinity, the outline of it! We don't know the workings!
We don't know why God being a spirit has a Spirit but we do know he has one! The fact also remains that the spirit of God was primordial and dwelt in Eternity with the Father and the Son!

Do you understand?

Ken4Christ:
Your questions doesn't have the correct options.

The Father raised Jesus from the dead.
He was also raised by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus also raised himself from the dead.

So, no point answering questions that are wrongly asked.

You are so myopic.

You need the Spirit of God to comprehended spiritual things.

Jesus is Mighty God. He is also Almighty.

The possible answer(s) are not the only logical options available. The Father raised Jesus, the Son raised himself, the Spirit raised him. All in all, God raised him; with Jesus himself being God. So yes, scriptures is right on that.

Context on those verses is key. It's the same Spirit that inspired them all, so taking one and rejecting the other is not sufficient. You must reconcile all and understand the message passed across; He hasn't gotten that aspect of scripture.

Julia25:
The possible answer(s) are not the only logical options available. The Father raised Jesus, the Son raised himself, the Spirit raised him. All in all, God raised him; with Jesus himself being God. So yes, scriptures is right on that.

Context on those verses is key. It's the same Spirit that inspired them all, so taking one and rejecting the other is not sufficient. You must reconcile all and understand the message passed across; He hasn't gotten that aspect of scripture.

If you want you can start with your own version. And you will still reject Christ. Just like he has rejected God and Christ.

All I need is for you to continue answering my questions until you start saying you don't accept what Jesus said and reject what God did by yourself. I can answer all questions but you can't answer mine.

It is the spirit of the antichrist that make you people think the word of God is incorrect.

Boomark:
If you want you can start with your own version. And you will still reject Christ. Just like he has rejected God and Christ.

All I need is for you to continue answering my questions until you start saying you don't accept what Jesus said and reject what God did by yourself. I can answer all questions but you can't answer mine.

It is the spirit of the antichrist that make you people think the word of God is incorrect.

Yet you haven't answered mine . A lot of questions you shied away from. Should I post them here?

Julia25:
Yet you haven't answered mine . A lot of questions you shied away from. Should I post them here?

Ask me. One at a time

Julia25:
We don't know how Jesus had two natures, Divine and temporal, at the same time but we do know he exhibited both.

Jesus doesn't have two natures he is a perfect son of God who always does what pleases his father {John 8:29} so whatever he asks is granted immediately, if Adam did not rebel against his father the same will be the case with him.
God promised us the same thing when we finally become perfect and always doing His will whatever we ask will be granted instantly just as Jesus is having it:

Even before they call out, I will answer; While they are yet speaking, I will hear. Isaiah 65:24

We are supposed to enjoy the same kind of blessing if we are not born sinners! Romans 3:23

So Jesus was an angel in heaven before God transformed him into an embryo in Mary's womb therefore when he was on earth he is 100% human! 1John 4:2

Boomark:
Trinity Is gone. No one is equal to his maker.

You all should return to God the Father. That was the purpose of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. To reconcile us back to God. Jesus is the way to God.

Go and read Romans I:19-23. You don't honour God as God.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136538674

You reject the words of Jesus. You reject what God has done. Trinity Is prepared by satan and the antichrist against God the Father. They don't want him to recieve all the glory that belongs to him.

Dtruthspeaker, Chibuezem, Gabrielshow24

FreeIgboho this answered the questions you asked me.

you've missed me I guess

Boomark:
You are saying that to God who raised Jesus from the dead. You are saying that to the Holy spirit who inspired those scriptures. You are saying that to Jesus Christ who told us the truth he recieved from God. Over 30 scriptures pointing at the same thing is what you call "mahyohpic."

The spirit of the antichrist is the one pushing you people to insult God and reject his word.

Let me shock you with this revelation.

Jesus promised his disciples that the comforter who is the Holy Spirit will come after he is gone.

Who sent the Holy Spirit down?
Some verses said Jesus did while others said it was the Father. This is the mystery of the Godhead also referred to as trinity. See the evidence below:

Jesus sent down the Holy Spirit:

John 15:26
“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

John 16:7
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”

Luke 24:49
“And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”


The Father also sent the Holy Spirit

Acts 2:33 John 14:16
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.”

John 14:26
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Luke 11:13
“If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?”

See the union and corporation between the Father and Jesus.

Jesus sent down the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Father sent him in the name of Jesus.

You can't separate the Father and Jesus. The Father does nothing without involving the Son and the Son does nothing without involving the Father.

They are one.

You see why it's difficult to ask a straight question like, who sent down the Holy Spirit and you expect one answer to be ticked.

Jesus is God and God is Jesus. But Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not the Son. But they are both God, one God.

Chibuezem:
you've missed me I guess

Go and read jor.

I have been dealing with those claiming to get revelation from the spirit but they reject Christ in the open. Their interpretation is from the spirit of antichrist.

Ken4Christ:
Let me shock you with this revelation.

Jesus promised his disciples that the comforter who is the Holy Spirit will come after he is gone.

Who sent the Holy Spirit down?
Some verses said Jesus did while others said it was the Father. This is the mystery of the Godhead also referred to as trinity. See the evidence below:

Jesus sent down the Holy Spirit:

John 15:26
“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

John 16:7
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”

Luke 24:49
“And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”


The Father also sent the Holy Spirit

Acts 2:33 John 14:16
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.”

John 14:26
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Luke 11:13
“If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?”

See the union and corporation between the Father and Jesus.

Jesus sent down the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Father sent him in the name of Jesus.

You can't separate the Father and Jesus. The Father does nothing without involving the Son and the Son does nothing without involving the Father.

They are one.

You see why it's difficult to ask a straight question like, who sent down the Holy Spirit and you expect one answer to be ticked.

Jesus is God and God is Jesus. But Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not the Son. But they are both God, one God.

You didn't shock me anything.

The shocking thing is that you rejected God and Christ even after asking you to state the correct answers to my questions. This shows that you are not qualified to teach anything in the bible because you don't know anything or have answers to what is written in the scripture.

You abandoned all that and brought another thing to cover up. You brought the question, I answered you, and now you are running away from it.

No body believes in those who reject God. You are only teaching falsehood from things you don't understand. Nobody wants to believe falsehood.

So this is the end of discussion anything with you since you can't answer my own questions.

Maximus692:
Jesus doesn't have two natures he is a perfect son of God who always does what pleases his father {John 8:29} so whatever he asks is granted immediately, if Adam did not rebel against his father the same will be the case with him.
God promised us the same thing when we finally become perfect and always doing His will whatever we ask will be granted instantly just as Jesus is having it:

Even before they call out, I will answer; While they are yet speaking, I will hear. Isaiah 65:24

We are supposed to enjoy the same kind of blessing if we are not born sinners! Romans 3:23

So Jesus was an angel in heaven before God transformed him into an embryo in Mary's womb therefore when he was on earth he is 100% human! 1John 4:2

Angel is a generic term with different meanings . Which are you alluding to? A messenger or a set of 'beings'—If your answer was a set of beings it begs the question, "is he a cherub?" And if God were to go on his own errand, will He also fit into the term "Angel" as he is technically a messenger of himself , doing His own will.